So Warhammer 40k is basically just a Dune ripoff?
I'm disappointed and lost all hype for the Cavill series now
So Warhammer 40k is basically just a Dune ripoff? I'm disappointed and lost all hype for the Cavill series now
So Warhammer 40k is basically just a Dune ripoff?
I'm disappointed and lost all hype for the Cavill series now
I’m woefully ignorant of both series but even I know enough to know that’s not true
>Navigators
>God emperor
>AI nearly wiped out humanity and was made illegal
>Melee-focused combat
WH40k has a ton of things ripped from Dune
-focused combat
I don't see how you can really say that 40k's melee comes from Dune. Melee combat is only part of 40k combat and unlike Dune does not come as a consequence of people using shields. People using melee weapons is a holdover from the fantasy medieval/renaissance Warhammer Fantasy and for the table-top game.
dune’s melee is fricking stupid since they obviously have missiles that work just fine, w40k justifies it with fictional armor materials
Warhammer ripped off everything that was cool at the time... and still does. it's a potpurri of edgy shit, science-fantasy tropes and bullshit latin. That's why people like it. It generously took from everything and gave it the edgenerd treatment.
Only really in the sense that it takes place tens of thousands of years in the future and has an emperor.
Its way more than that. 40K also has a Butlerian Jihad, a Spacers Guild, a Great Crusade, Sarduakar etc etc
>Jihad, Guild, Crusade, Space
wow dune ripped off real life so much wtf!!
this is how stupid you guys sound
The butlerian jihad is an important part of Dune lore that explains their dislike of computers and their extermination of ai.
The same thing happens in warhammer.
Same with the spacing guilds. They function almost identically and fit into the politics the same way.
It’s clearly lifting a lot of its foundational lore directly from dune.
But that’s okay.
Just wait until you find out about Star Wars.
Dune, Canticle for Lebowitz, The Carpetmakers, Alien, Rambo, Judge Dredd... the list goes on
40k is complete crap.
The only good part of it is the fricking Orks, every other race is fricking stupid as shit.
Warhammer 40k originates from Rogue Trader, that was a somewhat joke spin-off of Warhammer Fantasy (which was based on real-world cultures/history and the works of Michael Moorwiener) if it were IN SPACE! So you have that fantasy foundation with influences also taken from Dune, A Canticle for Leibowitz, Lovecraft, the anthology comic 2000 AD (home of Judge Dredd) and so on and so on. 40k has absorbed that much and became that expansive in scope that whilst there are Dune influences any parallels end up really being superficial.
It’s a hodgepodge but dune is one of the bigger parts.
And that’s a good thing. I can’t stand the pedants who get their panties in a twist over “plagiarism” in storytelling and entertainment.
are there giant spice worms in 40k?
No spice. There’s actual magic in 40k so the navigators use that instead. Giant worms? Probably somewhere.
What's the Dune influence for the Orks, Tyranids, Necrons?
>Orks
The Black person fremen
>Tyranids
Bene Onlyfans
>Necrons
Spacing ~~*Guild*~~
There is none. The dune stuff is mostly with how parts of the imperium function.
At least 40k, as bad as its writing can be, is not as bad as Hebertshit
I agree, it's more grounded and less sensational for the sake of transhumanism while borrowing a lot more from human history making it more relatable.
Warhammer is undeniably a ripoff of tons of major franchises, Dune is probably the biggest of them with the whole ai rebellion in the distant past, human computers, guild of mutant psychics responsible for space travel, god emperor, etc. However I personally give it a pass for how ridiculously enormous and expansive it is, and also how batshit insane, autistic, and entertaining it is. I can't think of any other setting that I'd actually enjoy sitting down and reading full length in universe history books about.
>whole ai rebellion in the distant past
Isn't the implication in the Frank Herbert books that it was a rejection of 'thinking machines' as humans were becoming too dependent upon them? It being an explicitly ai rebellion I think comes from the books by his hack son.
Original "machine rebellion" was anti-machine luddites overthrowing society, with society being too languid and decadent to do anything about it.
His son then retconned that into a tbh. kinda-cool sci-fi story, but one very inaccurate to the original idea.
it is like Dune cranked up to 11 and gone full moron in the best ways
Problem with 40K is that it started taking itself way too seriously for a couple decades after it got popular. You could excuse them ripping off every popular scifi series under the sun when the whole thing was ultimately satirical and deliberately over the top. As soon as Gaunt's Ghosts went from Sharpe In Space to self-serious drama the whole franchise was narratively cooked. They've started trying to fix that in the last few years with senile Necrons and goofy OP characters like Cawl, and by containing all the super cereal edgelord shit within the 30K/Horus Heresy stuff, but we're never getting back to Caiphas Cain-tier black comedy kino.
The last Cain story was 2023 so it's not like it's dead, anon
Yes and StarCraft is a ripoff of W40k
I think I read somewhere that Starcraft was originally supposed to be a 40K game but they couldn't get the license so they filed off the serial numbers.
40k has an interesting universe. Dune is fricking boring
>scantily clad women
>man-worm hybrid
Always wondered about that. What exactly do the Emperor's concubines... do for him? Are they gold diggers who just grit their teeth and do it for the luxury harem life? Or are they sexual deviants who actually enjoy worm-on-woman action?
it's dunc but with aliens and magic
The premise behind 40k is one of Jesus's disciples was actually some ancient immortal shaman hivemind and got real SAD after the second coming never came and the AI rebellions plunged future humanity into a dark age, so he decided to take the matters of humanity's salvation into his own hands, only to lead it to a downward spiral of terminal decline.
But yeah I guess there's also merchants trading in drugs or something so it's pretty much 1/1 of Dune.