Is the video game canon?
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So Was Macready the Thing?
Is the video game canon?
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All I know is I’m human
He was Thing 2
>*blows cloud of smoke* yeah sure it's canon that game was rad
I'll feel sad when he passes away
MAC GET THE FIRE
Shut up dumbass
I'd rather not spend the rest of the day POSTING IN THIS THREAD!
GET ME OUTTA HERE
HOLY FRICK
If the vídeo game says that, the writers are moronic. Theres no sense in mcready being the thing
>If the vídeo game says that,
It doesn't. Your part of some spec ops rescue team. Find Childs dead. Then you meet up with McReady at the end of the game to fight a giant Thing with a rocket launcher from a helicopter McReady's flying
No
the point is that we dont know. thats what makes it such a great ending.
Yes
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Did the movie need this 3 second clip of The Thing's ship crash landing?
don't think the ship belonged to The Thing, it just was onboard
Is there the Thing in this thread right now?
No, I'm not.
There always is... Sometimes more than one... But I'm not. I'm human.
Of course not and another reason video games aren't to be taken seriously for their plot.
Did you make this thread so that "the video games aren't canon" schizo would show up again?
>tfw no six part mini-series sequel that does everything The Thing does great, but stretched over a longer span of time
>more paranoia
>more set pieces
>more music to vibe to
Damn
Skinchangers/mimics in general seem to just be an untapped area for both movies and games. I'm not sure if it's because they're hard to pull off or what, but it's a perfect horror concept.
It sounds really funny as a multiplayer game concept at a LAN party with people you know well.
>"Are you the Thing?"
>"N-no... Of course not. What would make you think that. Ha, ha."
>look him straight in the eyes and he gets nervous
>[flamethrower intensifies]
that's just Among Us moron
I'm old and live under a rock. Is it good?
It used to be the most popular game during Covid times. It's simplistic but fun enough. Sadly the only ones playing it now are bots and toddlers.
hollywood doesn't want people thinking too much about the idea.
Because we're already living it.
This.
At the Mountains of Madness would be great as a miniseries, but even that would essentially be just an atmospheric scifi thing with minimal action and hence probably wouldn't be made. The Thing as a miniseries would be similar but either feel too much of a retread or go too action-y and would therefore end up sucking. I say this as someone who enjoyed The Thing 2011.
The thing to do would be something that goes a step beyond what was established, ala Aliens. Aliens went a step further along the concept, bigger budget, bigger scope, multiple xenomorphs, and a bigger threat with the queen. I don't know what the equivalent would be for The Thing, because again just doing another group isolated and being paranoid about one alien would just be a retread. Maybe something like the Prototype video game where you're the alien would be cool (and the main character is the alien), or just the main character unsure if they're an alien or not.
>tldr: miniseries doomed to be a retread unless it goes a step beyond
>When Cinemaphile was hyped for Mayoiga to be skinchanger kino
>It turned out to be nerve gas
The ultimate galaxry brain is simply "We don't know and it doesn't matter". It not mattering is completely central to the ending. They're fricked anyway.
ftfy
I personally adhere to the 'quality canon'. Does the sequel add to the lore and keep to a consistently high quality? Yes? Sure make it canon. No? Then it ain't canon (and here's the crucial part) to me!
>blood test someone
>they are human
>walk forwards five feet through a hidden trigger
>the person you just blood tested immediately Things out and attacks you
That alone makes the game not canon.
It's pretty solid and John Carpenter endorsed it, so yeah I guess that makes it canon.
He also endorsed the comic sequels, and those are incompatible with the game. Since the comics came first, they're canon and the game isn't.
actually new canon traditionally supersedes anything older, so the game would be canon. what, you think new editions of codices don't supersede older ones?
thanks for pointing out the time difference, that settles that.
By that logic, the new movie in
will make the game non-canon.
... and?
Ergo, soon enough the non-canon game will be forced by its defenders to be acknowledged as non-canon.
If John Carpenter endorses the new film like he did the game, then it would make the game go from canon to secondary canon like the comics.
Thanks for acknowledging the game is de facto canon finally.
I didn't actually, if you would actually read the post. I'm merely pointing out that the game (which is non-canon) will soon enough be forced by its defenders (and by defenders, I refer to those who claim it is canon and is in no way shape or form a reference to its quality) to be acknowledged as non-canon, and I for one can't wait for it.
>Thanks for acknowledging the game is de facto canon finally.
thanks for acknowledging the fact that i got horrible meningitis and actually technically medically DIED for four minutes and fricking came back to life so maybe I'm the one who knows what I'm talking about idiot
by that logic if the comics were canon and the game was endorsed by Carpenter and replaced them, it's canon
so the game IS canon
Incorrect, the game retconned the canon comics that were endorsed by Carpenter and what he considered to be a worthy sequel. Since he's never said that the game is a worthy sequel, the comics are canon and the game isn't.
>the game retconned the canon comics
you just admitted the game is canon
non-canon can't retcon anything, it's not canon lol
This is my view too. Is the additional material, that only 5% of the people will see, good? Then keep it as canon. Is it shit. Not canon, no matter who endorses it or how many times the creators say it is.
And by canon and not canon, I don't mean taken as some sort of lore for wikipedia, but as a list of what should be accepted as having happened in the next entry by whoever makes it.
>Does the sequel add to the lore and keep to a consistently high quality? Yes? Sure make it canon. No? Then it ain't canon
the halloween series method
It's how it should be. It's how it would be if internet nerds didn't create wikis filled with all the "canon" shit directors or writers have said in q&as expecting everyone to keep track.
Good shit is remembered and propagated, bad shit is forgotten and doesn't become canon.
the real galaxy brain: there never was an alien, it was all an hallucination caused by cabin fever and Palmer's weed as they went axe crazy
We can't know for sure, but it doesn't matter anyway since they're both dead in any case. Also, if one of them was the thing, it would probably attack the other when they met at the end, there was no sense to engage in conversation at that point since if any of them was the thing it could easily overpower the other
>both dead in any case
It was through sheer luck that the thing landed in the antarctic. That was at the start of the film. No reason that sheer dumb luck could save Macready and Childs from their bleak situation. A eucatastrophe if you will.
Yes, the video game was canon. That was the main selling point of the video game. I don't care if the israelite producers making the new movie don't even know that the game exists, that's their problem, not mine. Its their movie that is not canon. Matrix Online is also canon of that shitshow last movie for the same reason
MacSneedy also appeared in the Alien/Bladerunner/Predator Universe. Was he THE Thing in that appearance?
How will the direct sequel be now all the actors are ancient?
dont give about any dumb games or sequels, muh lore and cannon is homosexual shit
thing is a standalone movie
neither mac or childs is infected at the end, or else something would've happened
>yes i know what mac said
the uncertainty is in weather or not they killed all the thing cells or if it's waiting frozen yet again, as they both fall into sleep and freeze, sharing a last drink
>that music hit as childs takes a swig
such a kino ending, all this speculation is marvel-brains who can't wrap their head around a movie without an end credits scene
Okay explain the significance of the last music hit
its just a bookend for the beginning and end of the movie
Childs is the Thing. You see earlier that he was falling asleep on watch before they go to test Blair, and didn't notice Macready coming up on him. Then later the shot repeats and we see he's gone and multiple coats in the room he was in have been rearranged.
You expect me to believe Childs ran out into a blizzard chasing after a dark figure, alone?
if childs is the thing why does he walk up to mac all suspicious like with an explanation and then sits down to commiserate with him?
from everything we've seen in the movie this far, if childs was the thing he would just morph out and kill mac
where and why did the thing all of a sudden start to act like a normal tired person would, there's only mac left and childs has the absolute means to kill him, if he was the thing you would know
>if childs is the thing why does he walk up to mac all suspicious like with an explanation and then sits down to commiserate with him?
>from everything we've seen in the movie this far, if childs was the thing he would just morph out and kill mac
>where and why did the thing all of a sudden start to act like a normal tired person would, there's only mac left and childs has the absolute means to kill him, if he was the thing you would know
it learned that sperging out and morphing into the thing to try to kill them will fail, and perhaps it learned that simply waiting for rescue was better.
it had also observed Macready being quick on the draw, and had known suspicious activity (like the noose DR. had made, saying "im good guys, im ready to come back lol") would immediately make Macready suspicious
I Feel like it was adequately established as the "chess game" and pouring alcohol on it (flipping the game board over) is the REAL victory
>it learned that sperging out and morphing into the thing to try to kill them will fail, and perhaps it learned that simply waiting for rescue was better.
But in that case, why even approach MacReady at all? He's already exterminated half a dozen things, engaging with him is just a lot of risk for no real gain. Just stay away from him and wait for him to die from exposure.
>ngaging with him is just a lot of risk for no real gain. Just stay away from him and wait for him to die from exposure.
not engaging with him would look even more suspicious.
if Macready even caught a single glimpse of Childs or anyone, alone, wandering around camp, or worse, trying to evade him, the outcome is Torched
perhaps the thing deduced that 'acting human/friendly' and not sperging would be the best bet for the formidable Macready who had burned it, in all past instances, no matter what it tried.
It seems easier to evade him than to convince him that you're human. At that point, the base is a pile of rubble and the temperature is dropping, so MacReady probably doesn't have long to live. He was also injured, iirc, and would have difficulty chasing a thing around the base. If I were the thing, I wouldn't be going anywhere near him.
>If I were the thing, I wouldn't be going anywhere near him.
>"if i run from Macready, surely he will think im Human!"
it learned not to run when it was the dog
"stay and fight" was its ever increasing education
They all got torched regardless of what they did. And everyone else is dead, so MacReady being suspicious no longer matters as long as you stay away from him. He's in no condition to chase you and the clock is ticking for him because the cold will kill him eventually.
>Childs is the Thing
then why doesn't he just kill Macready?
i never understand this theory
Thought is he's still turning into childs/and the heat/cold has affected him
None of the freshly turned things immediately attack anyone. There's almost surely a 'cool-down' on their transformation. Same with Palmer, he was freshly assimilated by the dog, then he was alone with Childs watching tv and sharing a joint, and he didn't assimilate Childs.
He didn't have to assimilate him if they shared a joint he already infected him.
the fat guy with the heart condition gets assimilated by the dog not palmer.
But yea pretty sure childs is infected by blair regardless
This. Childs is definitely a thing and Blair got him. The camera specifically shows the generator room stairs are right next to where Childs was standing. And the power goes out right after Childs stumbles outside. Blair was inside and had been right near Childs.
this, the coats thing is the biggest indicator. when mac sneaks up on him, there is a blue coat on the rack RIGHT next to Childs that is the same color as the coat he is currently wearing. come back to the shot of missing Childs, and we notice that the blue coat is now missing entirely. Childs had ripped his original coat when he got THING'ed and took the coat off the rack.
But wasn't he wearing that same coat throughout the movie?
continuity error. not every minute detail in the background of every single frame is planned.
It said I had 99% chance of success on blasting that fricker. Stupid game.
It doesn't matter.
We already know who The Thing was the entire time.
We need to find john carpenter RIGHT NOW
I always thought neither one was a Thing.
Mac because we basically follow him through that whole sequence in the film and Childs because Things have to inherently know if someone is a Thing, so if he was a Thing he'd know that Mac isn't and there's no real reason for him not to lounge at Mac
>no real reason for him not to lounge at Mac
freezing until rescue parties come is what the thing would want
attacking mac, there is the slim change he had some secret trick, but if he's just going to freeze to death that works out for the thing
but i also dont think either of them are the thing
is the prequel movie worth watching?
horror isn't my go to genre, but i liked the thing - i like suspense and mystery
I like it, but it's a shame the producers covered up all the practical effects with CG.
Yeah, if you don't mind thinking 'this could have been so much better' the entire time.
you know what's really suspenseful? dying and not knowing if you're going to come back to life or not or even when it's ever going to happen
frick off with your movie bullshit
Watch Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) instead
Not sure.. but im def not the thing :]
I wonder what a conversation with The Thing would be like if you caught it out. Would it always resort to screeching? Or would it hold a conversation and explain its motivations?
The sequel script has some of that. Turns out it's all "blah blah blah we're all connected dude you should join us blah blah blah"
The script started off good but ended pretty badly
https://www.outpost31.com/script
opening this intended mini-series on the frozen bodies of Childs and Macready doesn't work at all.
And then following it up with the woman doing chess in the helicopter.
Just doesn't work for a multitude of reasons.
>Turns out it's all "blah blah blah we're all connected dude you should join us blah blah blah"
Lame.
Also, doesn't make any sense. The Thing never seemed to prioritize assimilation that much, it seemed much keener on surviving and escaping (whether because it wanted to assimilate more things we don't know)
The sequel script also posits that if subjected to electrical shocks (like from a taser) the Thing will lose control of itself and revert to a previous form, so the new "test" just becomes using a taser on a guy and if he doesn't change he's good.
He will just shit himself
Wow they just made it much worse and less cool
Nah, the Thing is not a human and will fail any version of the Gom Jabbar you put it through. Anything that will cause it physical harm will cause it to react in a way a human would not.
>if subjected to electrical shocks (like from a taser) the Thing will lose control of itself and revert to a previous form
Kek what? So any b***h with an antirape taser can defeat the thing?
I read parts of that, there's some pretty kino stuff in there. Sad that the show was never made.
With that said, there's no way knowing more about how the thing works can ever make it better. The movie gives the perfect amount of information; enough that you can think about it, but not so much that it stops being mysterious and scary.
Threadly reminder that Childs is THEMATICALLY the thing in the end
He REPRESENTS the thing from Mac's point of view
They might have killed each other whether they were human or not, but they're at stalemate
Mac and Childs sharing a drink and freezing to death together is a stand-in for how Mac took the thing to stalemate which is a victory to him, in a sort of "you got everyone else but you didn't get me" way
It's irrelevant whether Childs ACTUALLY WAS the thing or not, we don't know
(although he probably was)
best post in thread
way to out yourself as a speud who's never even seen the fricking movie genius
He ain't got that swing.
This
And it’s supposed to have come full circle from the beginning when Mac pours the drink in the chess game. He can’t accept losing then and offers the computer a “drink”. By the end, he can see how he’s messed up and can accept the limitations of his humanity, offering the Thing a toast.
>Is the video game canon?
I think Carpenter said yes
He didn't
He did. Explicitly so. He also played a role in the videogame in question.
>Who cares what he said
People who realize the obvious: he's the creator. Everyone else is dwelling on subjective fanfictional realms of no importance except for themselves
>He did. Explicitly so
Where?
Do your homework. If you denied it without knowing why people say otherwise you're talking out of your ass. Nobody's here to spoonfeed you
>Nobody's here to spoonfeed you
I've googled it for a long time, and have no answers. I see a lot of posts claiming it is canon, and a lot of posts claiming it is not canon. Where did he say it? Explicitly, and without any room for doubt? Please tell me.
IT ISNT BENNINGS
Universal Interactive needed Carpenter's approval, which they got, along with his willingness to play Dr.Faraday in the game.
Okay, but where did he explicitly say that the game is canon?
He didn't have to as press releases about it highlighted that Universal's contract to Activision/Vivendi explicitly stated that the game was a direct sequel to the movie (which couldn't have been said without his previous approval).
So you admit that John Carpenter never explicitly (definition: in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt) stated that the game was canon, and are now changing your claim to be that he never had to say that the game was canon?
No because I don't know that. What I do know is that, at some point, Carpenter contractually allowed that a sequel to The Thing be made as a videogame. He further endorsed the final product by being part of it.
Expecting "clear and detailed" etc is, in this context, autistically clinging to something that would validate your wishful thinking.
Woah, calm down please. You're the one who said that he explicitly said the game was canon in
. Are you now admitting that he he did not in fact explicitly say that the game was canon?
Again, you're autistically clinging to the word "said", which seems naive to say the very least.
Keep in mind that Carpenter now has complete control over his brands after being financially exploited by producers and he could edit the wiki entry about the videogame so as to change the info that the endorsed it at any time if it weren't accurate. This is business, not fanboyism.
Please be more polite, you're being very rude and I haven't done anything to you. All I want to know is where did he explicitly say that the game was canon?
I'm being blunt because your reasoning is fallacious and uninformed.Presenting you with the truth is more than you deserve considering how clueless you sound.
You're very rude and not pleasant to speak with. I want to know more and you're being very difficult on this subject. For years I have read about the game; people say it's not canon, people say it is canon, even in this very thread there are people who say both. I want to know what John said, because people always say that he said the game is canon, even you just said he "explicitly" said so. Please tell me where he said it, I'm asking you nicely and as sincerely as I can.
Eat shit my man. Eat my shit
Unlike you I'm not a moron so my dietary habits are quite different.
Open your mouth. Stick out tongue.
Receive my gaping anus.
And eat. And eat. And eat.
WINDOWS BLAST 'IM
Who cares what he said, the game was far from great. If someone can make something great, better than the game, but not following from the game they should. No reason to hold the sequel tied to a mediocre game's lore.
>THE GAME IS CANON THE GAME IS CANON THE GAME IS CANON
But the game was awful and retconned the entire idea of the thing by re imagining it as a virus, it was literally a resident evil ripoff. And I know resident evilgays are insufferable about claiming EVERY horror game as a ripoff of their precious RE, but this time they're kinda right. I don't know why anyone would WANT the game to be canon.
You are correct, but they won't listen.
Who won't listen? Everyone will listen if a good sequel were to come out. Nobody will say "but muh game".
This guy literally will
On the bright side, I don't think we have to convince all 5 people that remember the game. As
says, if anything half decent comes out the game will stay forgotten like it deserves. I'm still fricking amazed the game got the seal of approval from Carpenter.
No.
Yes. In fact McReady saves the day during the videogame's final scene
their conversation in this context makes no sense if childs is the thing
he's literaly standing their with a flamethrower in front of mac
He knows it's a thing due to it drinking gasoline (plus the previously mentioned Blair being inside the building right where he was falling asleep). He's trying to lull it into a false sense of security. He knows it doesn't always just immediately attack and is also trying to lull its target into dropping its guard. Mac could have blasted it just a few minutes later, but that's not as interesting of an ending.
>gasoline
Rest of the post instantly disregarded. You're a midwit.
Alien aside, what are similar movies to this? Watched it recently due to these threads, very enjoyable.
The Thing (2011)
A Cold Night's Death 1973
I find it impossible to believe John Carpenter and Sam Raimi both didn't see this movie and were influenced by it.
We're gonna find out who's the Thing. It can be any anon of us. The only way we can identify it is with dubs. Everyone show me your singles, or ill torch your ass.
i know you anons have been through a lot but id rather not spend the rest of my night TIED TO THIS FRICKING THREAD
This is crazy, man. I aint no freak.
maybe YOU are the thing buddy.
Well I know I’m not a The Thing.
>head and torso rips in half with huge teeth and tentaclesemerging from it
it was all a dream
Do not try to test for the Thing, for it is impossible. You must realize the truth - there is no Thing.
Yes, the Thing is not real.
sounds like something a thing would say
hold still
Don't worry - I'll willingly submit my fluids to you for testing...
>shoot you
>your blood splatters on me and turns me into a thing
>ACK!
>you regenerate
why didn't the thing stay in human form and bait people into getting gory with him?
NO NO NO IT CAN'T BE NOO-
youre asking me?
Who destroyed the blood?
I'd have to rewatch it, at best I know macready or that old security guy whose key was snatched
OR MAYBE MAC WAS THE THING THE WHOLE TIME AAAAAAAAAA
Palmer
You, sir, are an absolute homosexual. The reason why you are the absolute homosexual that you are, is because you have slightly doctored and mispresented my original work to make it seem as though this storied file either inclines towards Palmer first, or somehow fails to account for the possibility that, in principle, Norris might have been got first. This possibility is one of the major components of mystery in the film, one of the major reasons why it still works. And which gives charge to our arguments, making the film itself a vital work of art. Something that we can argue about. Your counterfeit is especially embarrasing with the slightly different font size of (Perhaps Palmer-Thing) in the Day Zeta orange cell.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/width/2144/height/2476/page/1/
As absolute proof of your meddling, I submit a very idiosyncratic and specific search: posts containing images measuring 2144x2476. Only your fraud is distinct. None genuine without the autism. At this point, as to the argument itself (who was assimilated first?), someone will say "Carpenter actually said this", "bedroom is actually shown as that", but The Author Is Dead (only what is shown in the completed film controls for this sort of thing), and any guy could be in any place at any time. The more salient points are: PALMER SHARES A SALIVA-RIDDLED JOINT WITH CHILDS AFTER (and yet Childs is cleared later), and secondarily, Palmer is left alone with the chopper at a critical point. True, he/it might have calculated that running wasn't possible/worth it, but this stands athwart the film's opening gambit. remember that Palmer has pilot knowledge. It even stands athwart the UFO construciton. If it has a chance to bolt, it'll try and survive.
I am a Norris partisan. Norris was the first victim. Carpenter himself is irrelevant here. BUT, the most honest view is to acknowledge that one of the two was got first. That's what you've mispresented with your execrable botch-job.
It couldn't have been Norris first. The shadow has frizzy hair
Both men have curly hair, and the whole point of the silhouette is to point to one of the two, while never making it absolutely certain one way or the other. The silhouette itself seems slightly off-model from both gentlemen in full costume as well. I suppose some hardcore anon could point to any existing info on the body double/authorial intent if he really wanted to, but the clear and actual function of this shot is to suggest one of two people.
It's also conceivable that the clues exclude each other over the entire film, as the thing rewrites the (genetic) rules to make its own completely unfair game. Like the initial chess game, which Carpenter didn't care too much about except to establish theme.
With Norris went first, when did Palmer get assimilated? Or vice versa?
I wonder if the thing being a dog affected its intelligence. Looking back, it could've remained incognito if it didn't try to consume the dogs
It's 100% Palmer. The hallway has been analyzed, you can see specific details that remain the same such as axe location, alarm pulls, intercoms, overhead pipes, other people's rooms, etc. The room that the dog goes into is the same as the room that Palmer later comes out of when Mac pulls the alarm to alert everyone when the dogs are beinf attacked. That shadow is in the same area as Palmer's bed as shown when he's watching tv.
No, again, Palmer and Childs share a joint assuming Palmer goes first, and again the chopper argument. You're focusing on the interiors. That's the whole fun of the discussion/argument. It isn't absolute, no matter how hard you want it to be, and by design. If it were, it wouldn't captivate our attention.
Throughout the film there's two pairs of long johns which clearly correspond to assimilated guys. Nauls throws the first pair away in disgust, and then Mac discusses the second pair as the film kicks into high gear (second part of second act). Mac's final tape recording occurs at a very important and subtle point: there's a large time-jump during the sequence. As they drug up Garry/Clark/Copper, there's a jump cut to Mac in the side room (not his shack). All of a sudden, two days have passed. This is the major time skip into the film's second part.
Basically, if we are being completely honest, either Norris or Palmer was taken first. Then, the taken one nicks the other guy at some point once the stakes are real. At some point, quietly, during the storm. Then they're both Things.
This is what makes the critical scene where Mac breaks back into the camp so tense on repeated viewings. There's a moment where both Norris and Palmer eggs the group on, AND are armed. Meanwhile, Blair. They were that close. Just one or two more bodies and they could have taken the camp outright and gone for populated areas.
Also, the best (most human) moment of comic relief comes from Palmer just before it itself is revealed as a Thing. A great touch.
It is absolute. That's Palmer's room. The dog enters there. Palmer is assimilated first. There literally no evidence that you can be assimilated from sharing a joint. Just something Blair was concerned about, but is never once shown to be how the thing operates.
You're not thinking like a police officer, just a fan theorist. The guy sitting in [assigned guy's map bedroom] is not absolute. By insisting on Palmer's definitive status, you are also incorrectly missing the point of the mystery around the assimilations, which is the whole appeal. Also, your assertion that "u can't get AIDS by sharing a joint" is plainly false based on Blair's computer model which implicates himself since he just about touches his nubby pencil-eraser-thing onto the human dog husk and then touches it to his lips
It is not absolute, one way or the other, whether Norris or Palmer was taken first. Likewise, it is not absolute whether either or both of Mac and Childs were things in the end. Although there's a much better argument to be made in favor of Childs being a thing (IMO) than there is in favor of Palmer being the first human victim.
>Palmer and Childs share a joint
I don't think that's how the Thing propagates itself.
It needs mass, otherwise it could just bleed itself and then take over everything like the Blob
>Then, the taken one nicks the other guy at some point once the stakes are real.
Yeah, I don't think it really matters when they're role as Things is essentially already set by the time it matters
Anon, I would watch The Thing with you on a large screen and discuss it like DVD commentary.
Palmer would have infected Childs early on with the joint homie.
What the frick am I even looking at here? If you're gonna take all that time to make these bizarre charts then you may as well make them legible.
One thing many people don't realize is that Windows grabs the keys when Bennings is getting his stuff from storage. When Windows sees Bennings getting assimilated into one of the Things, you can hear him drop the keys and run to get everyone. The keys were on the floor at that point. So any of the things could have gotten it at that point.
And it's been confirmed that the shado belonged to Palmer so many mysteries have their answers.
The attention given to the lights is too obvious to be a coincidence. I don't think the thing absolutely needs it to be absolutely pitch dark to assimilate something but perhaps it's beneficial to it in some way. Like the cells don't multiply as fast in bright light. From filmmaking perspective it's also pretty effective when lights go out and it's a signal to the audience that the thing is about to strike. Some other times it's less obvious such as Palmer-thing smashing the lamp before it begins assimilating Windows but I guess that's just good continuity.
>perhaps it's beneficial to it in some way
Because of all the reasons I've listed, which follow simple logic and common sense.
>Like the cells don't multiply as fast in bright light.
Absolutely no basis whatsoever and purely speculative. You're free to believe what you like mate. Also, several of the things you've listed in
are flat-out wrong. For example, Palmer-Thing didn't kill Windows BECAUSE of the broken ceiling light; it Thinged-out, transformed, broke its ropes, jumped up to the ceiling, and attacked and began to assimilate Windows ALL before the lights broke due to his flailing legs. This all happened in well-lit conditions, not a single facet of its abilities were impeded by light. And then there is Bennings; he wasn't killed when the lights went out in the storage. The lights never even dim in that room. It's at the exact same level of lighting as when they brought Splitface inside, no change occurs. I've rewatched the scene in question to confirm; you are flat-out wrong on this point, and are using your incorrect fact to support a faulty conclusion.
Like I said, you're free to believe what you like, but you've got your facts wrong.
It was a different scene I was thinking of this
The attacks on Bennings and Palmer happen in low visibility but there's a light source in both scenes which doesn't negate the possibility of darkness being natural environment for the thing. It's a speculation in the movie that a single cell can infect an organism and take over the entire world and Fuchs suggests they eat canned food. Just like the audience the character also come up with theories based on what they see. Later when they discover that Cooper and Clark were human that single cell theory is put into question.
In fact I think it's a good educated guess that darkness is natural for the thing since even if it's only to stalk humans it uses it to its advantage which suggests that it's a natural hunting strategy. Whether or not it also helps in assimilation is debatable. It could be just a hunting strategy and that's why it transforms in the kennel or attacks Fuchs and (possibly) Blair during the blackout and Garry and Nauls when they're in the dark and that's why it smashes MacReady's lamp. But it was perhaps Garry's death and when it happened during Palmer-Thing attack that I thought was strange even if I doubt it's my theory it's either suggested in the movie (the line "The chameleon strikes in the dark") or it was revealed by someone working on the film like the shadow scene.
>Cooper
You keep using Copper's name wrong, like in
. It's not Cooper. It's Copper. Are you ESL?
>The chameleon strikes in the dark
You're taking flowery language written by a man going inside and read by a man trying desperately to figure out what's going on too literally.
I have already stated a much more reasonable argument as to why the Thing attacks in the dark: because it's easier to attack someone in the dark, for many practical reasons.
You're free to believe what you want to believe, mate. But you should really re-examine the actual film and look for things that disprove your theory rather than things that support them, that's what a good theorist does.
>going inside
going insane*
>going inside
Are you ESL?
No, but I am on my phone, and don't always catch the autocorrect before I hit post. What I do have is the polite notion of correcting my post's mistakes so that those reading it can understand my intent clearly and concisely.
>such a cool premise of a monster
>not touched in the original
>prequel planned to do some of it and all of it got scrapped
it's not fair
>explicitly
>adverb
>in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt.
Where did he explicitly say the game was canon?
Frick you I'm not infected
KILL IT, NOW.
You're the thing.
Murder
The movie starts with him getting checkmated by a computer (a non-human intelligence). He then pours whiskey on it as a spiteful reward, destroying it, to rob the computer of its victory.
The movie ends with him having been checkmated by the Thing which has killed everyone and essentially won. So he gives it a bottle of whiskey as a reward, but plots to kill it later. They both die but the Thing is robbed of its victory.
Simple as.
there never was a thing, they were hallucinating. ice madness.
Way too many goddamn Things in here and not nearly enough fire.
torch everybody in this thread including me to be on the safe side
He's not The Thing in the video game nor is he The Thing in two entirely different comic sequels from two different companies. Three licensed sequels makes it canon.
Childs is The Thing in one comic so keep an eye on him.
Muderr
It's gonna be Childs. Kurt Russell is the bigger star and he's gonna show up as an older MacReady in the sequel
But the twist is gonna be that Kurt WAS The Thing and the alien has learned how to imitate humans for longer periods of time, even starting a family. The Thing will help the new human characters to destroy the alien before it spreads further and sacrifice itself for humanity!
no he is Snake
snake plissken
Very true
AHHHHHHHHHH!
>Picture shows magic trick of how to bring a movie in under budget, on time, and no bullshit on the set.
It's funny to think that CGI is somehow more expensive than practical effects, while at the same time, it looks worse most of the time due to over reliance on it, and the people that make it are paid pennies
The industry is truly dead
If Childs is a Thing here, why not just instantly blast Mac with the flamethrower? Why give him, this one human that's practically single-handedly stopped you from escaping the base cleanly, even a CHANCE at pulling something out of his ass and killing you?
The Thing also thought of it as a game, instead of just killing Macready to ensure survival it sad and had a drink with him out of a sense of comradery.
I don't this it's a game like this anon said
But more of an instinct of "bio material shall not be wasted".
The Thing will try to absorb you, not to burn you.
The Thing is the ultimate midwit movie.
>DUDE WHO WAS INFECTED AND WHEN???
The point is that you don't know and there's no way to know.
>BUT MOVIES ARE LE PUZZLES THAT WE MUST SOLVE
Go back
That's not true at all, moron. Sure, the abysmal marvel movies you enjoy so much just pull shit out of their asses for you to slop up, but this was back in a time when they actually put effort into movies and things generally made sense. They actually planned out the base, and there's continuity the whole time. They planned out what everyone was doing at all times. And they planned out who was assimilated and when. Now go back to watching the black spiderman and keep being braindead.
They likely had a loose idea of what happened when so the actual plot would be able to work, but there's no evidence in the movie or outside of it that everything was actually completely planned out. That's what's fun about it, you don't know who to trust or when to stop trusting them even after watching the movie to a certain extent. The movie itself isn't bad, you morons are who want to "solve" it.
Having an ambiguous ending doesn't make a movie a midwit movie. That and you talk like a gay.
>The point is that you don't know and there's no way to know.
morono
The only midwits are the ones who get obsesedd with trying to solve the puzzle. Same as people who watch David Lynch movies and then get filtered by the plot.
I swear there's something living in my wall. there's this strange scratching sound that wont stop happening
Childs doesn't drink.
When he gives the bottle to the child thing, mac smiles and music starts.
Child thing also doesn't breath unless he does the "ehhh" we can't see breath from his mouth in the conversation (mac breath is strongly shown).
All the comics and videogames shit are simply later ideas that fueled the franchise, "the thing" taken as a standalone, indicates that child is the thing and mac discovered it.
>Childs doesn't drink
Would Mac even know that? Childs is a dick and Mac seemed more removed from the others
>Child thing also doesn't breath
That point never made sense to me. The Bennings thing has visible breath, plus why wouldn't the Thing breathe? It says it imitates perfectly everything, so it's ling's function just like a real one
Childs is paranoid after the discuss about not sharing beverages and food, in the end he accepts without hesitation the drink. Mac smiles because he caught the thing.
It was checkmate, like in the beginning with the computer. He (the king piece in the chess game) is trapped in a corner and can't do anything without being "eaten"
he does breathe. you can see in older versions of the movie that aren't being upscaled to higher resolution.
THE THING WOULD OBVIOUSLY BREATHE YOU moron, IT JUST FRICKING REPLACES NORMAL CELLS WITH THING-CELLS WHY WOULDN'T IT BREATHE YOU FRICKING MORON
No the other guy was, that’s why Mac got him to drink gasoline at the end.
>gasoline
it was whiskey dumb ass
Neither of them were the Thing but there's no way a batch of dynamite blew up some hivemind organism that can survive in single cellular form. The humans froze to death and the Thing waits to wake up again once it thaws for whatever reason.
In a way, that was the whole point of my original body-tracing autistic chart. We were fricked from the word Go. There's too much biohazard all over the site(s), and now there's human interest to go check out the various sites.
I had a really interesting (to me anyway) early-morning nightmare that I want to record, just this morning. I believe my brain was mashing up The Thing (1982), BrainDead, and The Blob (1988). The central image was that of two ginger gooey head-snakes, defying gravity, rounding the side of a cabin on the way to infiltrating it. From inside, some bird-like claws somehow harassed it, kept it at bay, without ever actually getting sucked up. This may go with the bird themes in the original short story.
In the original Blob, it's dumped somewhere in the (Ant?)arctic. A temporary solution..?
Neat. And people ask "Why do they have guns?" kek
They were both the thing
One thing we can all agree, is that I am NOT the Thing
neither of them are the thing. it's a happy ending because they finally trust each other again.
Last 2 digits divisible by 3 is a thing
If you really want to get technical, Windows pretty much cross contaminated the remaining survivors with Palmer's blood, using the same scalpel to cut their thumbs.
Macready survived to assist the remaining member of the asset retrieval team. The end credits song by dropbox is based. Playstation Sony did a great job in rounding off the mystery.
But a series would be great.
>cross contaminated the remaining survivors with Palmer's blood
why did you have to tell me this?
can the thing trasmit via saliva?
>Dog Thing licks somebody
don't think so
The list of confirmed Thing transformations
1. Palmer - caught alone in his room by the dog-thing
2. Norris - not seen, probably by the fragment of the thing that escaped through the ceiling in the kennel
3. Bennings - killed by the Norwegian-Thing when he light in room went out
4. Blair - Most likely while he was locked in the shed during the blackout (when Fuchs was killed)
5. Windows - killed by Palmer-Thing after it broke the lamp
6. Garry - killed by Blair-Thing after his headlamp stopped working
7. Nauls - killed by Blair-Thing in the dark room
Also the dogs in the kennel, which was pitch black of course.
Notable excepton: Cooper wasn't infected despite being killed by the thing.
I'm sure many people in this thread made this error so I'll repeat it once more. What we know is that the thing has to kill the host immediately in order to assimilate him and it has to be done in total darkness. If there's another way of transmission then it's not confirmed in the movie (speculation doesn't count as a fact because the characters don't know it either). If the assimilation could be achieved gradually then the Thing would have no reason to attack more than one person.
>has to be done in total darkness
?
I don't know why but it happens too often to be coincidence. The movie wants us to pay attention to that detail and even the characters speculate about it.
Really? About it needing shadow to assimilate?
I'm with you in the other parts though, it never showed that it can just infect things like a virus with microscopic particles, it really needs time to consume and change a being
You're reading too much into it, mate. Think logically: it's hard to see in the dark, the Thing wants to not be caught mid-assimilation (vulnerable out in the open), most purple are asleep at night and less likely to stumble upon an attack, ergo attacking at night or in the dark is just good strategy. That doesn't create some kind of genetic requirement for the Thing that it HAS to attack in the dark or that it has some kind of genetic aversion to light. It's simply using the exact same logic that a thief or stalker or murderer would use in selecting when and where to attack.
*most people
*most purple
The same thing repeats several times in the movie. We see the lights being smashed, dimmed, we see the Thing itself create blackout. It's in the show and everything so we're meant to take notice of that. It's so surprising that it's news to many people. Perhaps gradual assimilation is possible as well but nothing in the movie proves that. All assimilations we see in the film have a couple things in common and they're all violent and quick. If I had to write an official explanation why we don't see any gradual cell-by-cell assimilation then maybe because it's a secondary process and the thing wanted to finish off the crew quickly for safety reasons.
Mate I don't subscribe to the single cell theory so I don't know why you're bringing that up in our discussion, I'm focusing on your faulty theory that the Thing MUST assimilate people in darkness: it isn't true. You are drawing conclusions from faulty evidence. Of course the Thing creates darkness/blackouts, because, again, it's easier to attack people in an evironment that they cannot react in as easily, IE darkness. People can't see in the dark. Perhaps the Thing can, but that's speculative and only tangentially related. Muggers, rapists, murderers, criminals or men of ill intent tend to strike in the dark, because:
1) it makes their crime harder to be interrupted
2) people cannot react as readily in the dark, or are more vulnerable in it (don't pretend you've never scared or been scared by a family member/friend hiding in the dark)
3) people are less active at night as a normal rule of commonality
The Thing creates and uses darkness as a strategic element for both its attacks and to support another element of its stratagem: fear. People are afraid of the dark. People fear the unknown, the lurker, the shadowy figure. It wants the men at Outpost 31 to be afraid, to be irrational, to be paranoid, to make mistakes and be more vulnerable.
There is absolutely no evidence in the film that the Thing MUST attack in the dark. It Things-Out several times in light. Its use of darkness is purely strategic in nature, an element of its intellect. Please stop making the Thing less intelligent by theorizing that an element of its strategic thinking is reduced to mere alien biology. Be reasonable and understand logic.
>Muggers, rapists, murderers, criminals or men of ill intent tend to strike in the dark, because:
>1) it makes their crime harder to be interrupted
>2) people cannot react as readily in the dark, or are more vulnerable in it (don't pretend you've never scared or been scared by a family member/friend hiding in the dark)
>3) people are less active at night as a normal rule of commonality
4) they are cowardly and superstitious lot that think themselves protected with the cover of darkness
Yeah, that too
Thank you Batman
That scariest thing about The thing is the fact that it needs a single cell to take over it's host. You make it sound almost as if some sort of body snatcher that needs to jack the body in hidden closet to take it over hours, when in reality the moment the crew encountered the dog all of them were infected, although to wearying degrees, not to mention that the thing could either lay dormant and operate independently without knowing about other infected bodies
>when in reality the moment the crew encountered the dog all of them were infected
Nothing in the film supports that
I'm going to go out of limb and say the cell theory we see on the computer confirms it.
It's speculation based on what little data they could extrapolate.
In the film proper, it only attacks isolated people and needs some time to fully transform someone
If it could infect people with just minimal contact like breathing in the same environment, it wouldn't need to do the things it did, it could've just coughed around for 6 weeks
>Bennings being assimilated by the Thing in a lit room doesn't count because...
is the Thing a chud
>Hivemind Parasite
Communist
imagine the thing flying out to the mainland and assimilating all of the grass and trees
That's just The Happening movie
It's extinction.
I don't think it will happen as fast as Blair's computer simulates, but it will happen, with such abundance of life and biomass it grow limitless
Wasn't The Thing building a saucer? I think it just wanted to go back to space.
It could've been building it to escape antarctica and find civilizations
One of the fascinating things about it is how we don't really know what it wants
Maybe it was just scared and wanted to go to space
Regardless, it's a existence is a threat on all Earth life
This is just my impression from watching the movie years ago, but The Thing never struck me as actively aggressive, wasn't it humans who mostly attacked it?
That I can remember
>it consumed/turned Palmer as the dog (and later Norris)
>As the dog it tried to consume all the other dogs.
It clearly needed something more complex than a dog to build its spaceship, and it seemed to want to consume the other dogs because it realized they could sense it
It seemed like that head spider was pleading for its life when the humans found it.
Horror movies usually have bad endings, so at least one of them is the Thing.
Both of them being human and freezing to death is still a bad ending
Humanity survives. Big win.
no , it's a bad ending and a bad movie
Macready had a flamethrower and a whiskey bottle full of gasoline
But no matter who is or isnt an alien they both die either way, either from cold or fire
if the Thing could be killed by cold, 20,000 years buried under the Antarctic permafrost would have done it already.
whatever temp it was in the arctic, it could have been colder. it was not at absolute zero.
what if Macready was the DRAGONBORN
what is thing
creepy jerk that kills your buddies and pretends to be them
I am a singles! Not a dubbles! Untie me!
If you go by the prequel, Macready has to be The Thing since Childs has earrings in.
That means neither is the Thing. Also the prequel shows that they can be rescued since there's an American woman who survied the Thing attack on the Norwegian base (obviously) and is driving away to rescue.
Thing is still talked about so much 40 years later
GOAT horror movie?
>John Carpenter's Twitter handle is @TheHorrorMaster
yes
Would the world be fricked if the thing encountered a penguin?
Boom, now it can survive in the arctic, and just swim away
If it gets the knowledge of those it assimilates, why didn't it just turn into dog(s) and run in different directions until encountered a penguin? Is it stupid?
Could the thing infect via rape? Like what if it assimilated a really hot chick and slithered into your room haha wouldnt you want to frick me
>halfway through doing the deed
>suddenly for no apparent reason at all a tentacle that reeks of blood and has sharp bone spurs disembowels you
no thanks
>Video game canon
>The thing is an electric virus hiding in fuse boxes
>Because ppl who tested ok 5 seconds ago mutate after repairing progress related fusebox
>Destroying equipment is a preset for infection
Grim...
I don't even really care.
The game was a potential follow up to the first one. The thing isn't really a franchise that has canon, it just has stories
Is the Thing the actual alien species that built and flew the spaceship, or did it kill whoever that was? Seems more like a mindless parasitic organism than a spacefaring species.
It was trying to build another craft, so it does have intelligence.
it would've been kind of funny if it was set up as a monster that could wipe out humanity but was actually scared and just wanted to use the ship to fly back home
>gains human knowledge
>realizes most people are miserable
>NOPE NOPE NOPE frick this I'm out of here
most people are miserable
Projecting much or what???
The only reason The thing thinks hairless monkeys would be lonely is because the lack the communion of unity, and doesn't understand why they would like to be alone.
Any answer that isn't "you can't know" is moronic
thing was immune to cold, as we can see, macready was not, childs was "too warm" to be human
Mac was the thing and blew his pozzed load in the liquor bottle and gave it to Childs, that’s why he smiled after he drank it
he’s all like gotcha b***h, it doesn’t cut back to childs after the drink because he’s transforming to the thing
that’s what makes this movie so great, plenty of scenarios to play out after the curtain falls
btw this movie terrified me as a 9yr watching it when I was home alone one night for the first time
It's spooky to think Mac could be The Thing at the end.
Do you morons think John Carpenter's movies go this deep or just memeing?
Oh, what's that? You didn't find any fault with the evidence and don't have any of your own, so you just resort to ad hominem? Concession accepted. Continue seething all you want.
So you're not memeing, you're genuinely autistic; I am so sorry about your disability.
It was always supposed to be Palmer. It's official. I always wanted it to be Norris but there's no denying facts.
>this deep
It's just a map of the layout.
Almost everyone always went with Palmer that get infected first.
There's nothing too deep here
>John Carpenter reading this thread right now
>puffs his Marlboro Light waiting on his phone call to be answered
>Yeah, have all the streaming services put The Thing on sale this week.
>Starts another thread about theory when it was just movie mistakes
Checked, and yes John Carpenter just loves to frick with his audience. Nice Quake 2 meme, don't think I've seen that one.
>meme
>remember seeing this back when Quake II was about to come out when early teen
>age sets in, like a cherry blossom in fall
Yes the game is canon
No the game isn't canon
They actually had these real physical buildings, and they had rooms that had actual purpose. Marvelbrainlets just can't wrap their two braincells around this concept. Everything had to be random and made up on the spot. They can't understand the idea that the actors might have been assigned bedrooms and beds. Nope, they think they must randomly pick a different room to pretend they are sleeping in for every scene. The kitchen is now in the rec room for no reason other than that "it's not possible to maintain continuity".
It used to be the best fan website on the internet.
What happened to it?
Outpost still exists it just looks shittier.
why was mac such a chad on the base?
he was a helicopter pilot
He was a helicopter pilot in 1982, with knowledge how to use a firearm and training to kill without hesitation.
He was clearly in Nam.
I doubt that there was a heli pilot of draft age that wasn't sent there at the time
>are you Thinging what I'm Thinging?
It's so great on rewatch to watch these guy's behavior knowing they're things
who would win in a versus match up. The blob or the thing?
Blob definitely. It could attack from all sorts of unexpected ways and didn't need to rely on the hiding nearly as much
I didn't know Richard Ramirez was an actor
>Want to watch The Blob remake
>Remember Kevin Dillion
>Put The Thing back on
Remake Blob was fricking menace
It had intelligence somehow, like a low cruel cunning
the thing only needs to hide in the beginning stages when it is outgunned and scared. As soon as Blair gathered some biomass by eating the other two it transforms into a giant beast
Imagine now things eating into millions while blob also feasts on millions. Blob needs time to eat into the things biomass while thing can actively adapt into new parts and each part of it going into the blob can maybe try to take parts of it over. While both of them have some form of intelligence guiding them
The contest will be, which one can assimilate the most men by seducing them with women forms?
Obviously the Blob and the Thing, when they come into contact, the Blob has an inherent advantage due to being made of acid. But if the Thing can devise some means of negating or assimilating the acid in time, it wins. My thoughts lean towards the Blob through, as the inherently acidic nature of its composition would destroy Thing-cells before they could adapt; the simpler organism in nature often wins out, and the Blob is undoubtedly simpler than the Thing. However, when one factors in that the Thing ALSO uses acid in its arsenal, such as spraying that dog in the kennel with it, and its assumed ability to create acid-resistant flesh (like a stomach lining) plus the unknown alien entities it has in its biological codex, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that it could counter the Blob's acid. There is also mass to consider; assuming relatively equal biomass for either competitor, I think the Thing wins if it adapts, and the Blob wins if it doesn't. If the Blob is much larger and completely envelopes a Thing, I don't think the Thing would have enough time to adapt before it is dissolved.
The real question then becomes what if the two entities merge into one consciousness, a creature capable of transformation into solid flesh as well as amorphous shape; if its minds for lack of a better term became one.
Interesting to think about.
One inherent advantage the Thing possesses is its ability to break off pieces of itself. If the Blob grabbed a limb, the Thing could detach the limb and gain some distance while it formulates a plan. Knowing its own weakness to freezing, it may even formulate a plan to freeze the Blob with its greater intellect.
The Blob if they fight head on but the Thing might be able to craft some futuristic weapon and airstrike it.
Did they ever state how deep in the Antarctic the outpost is?
not that I know of, just seems to be somewhere towards the middle
Here
Thanks.
I don't know much about the fauna from antarctica, but they really seem to be in a remote fricking nowhere, I know mcmurdo is the the closest one to civilizations