So we're in agreement this is going to be the worst cartoon-themed ride in history and one of the parks biggest disasters ever?
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So we're in agreement this is going to be the worst cartoon-themed ride in history and one of the parks biggest disasters ever?
I've never been to Disney Land. Is it worth the ticket price?
I'm not racist, so I don't agree.
In general if you're not in Cali it's not worth the trip there unless theres some sorta event
You're the same white person talking for other races saying this movie is offensive but Primos is positive representation
>2023
>being white
Kek. You're the same moron that has to fabricate reality to conform to your agenda because actual reality points out how much of a moron you are
Universal is better.
Dollywood is better than both.
Nobody is traveling to bumfrick nowhere Tennessean.
Sshhh, don't tell the yanks a Europeans. They will fill the place with strollers
There is a huge difference between theme parks of the North and South. Since the south have generally good weather all year round their parks are heavily focused on theming and decor. The fun is pretending you are in a different place and looking at the gardening than going on rides so the few rides they do have are all carny fair bullshit, dark rides or coasters ment for the whole family.
Since the North only have a few months of good weather their parks are filled to the brim with coasters are rides and not about waking around pretending your in toon town. Hence why anytime a coaster record is broken or a new type of ride/coaster comes out its usually in a park located in the North since they focus so much on it.
So yeah, if you would rather walk around and look at topiary and pretend talking cars are real then you might like Disney parks. If you actually want to go on rides and get thrills then no.
it's not really a north/south split
it's more just that disneyworld and universal studios appeal more to families with young kids and as such need more gentle rides that everyone can go on, and they use a frickton of themeing to make it all come together well. Cedar Fair which owns Cedar Point and a ton of other parks was just autistically focused on breaking roller coaster records for decades, but there are great rides everywhere. Busch Gardens Tampa pretty much had the first B&M coaster in the US with Kumba and Montu was the first suspended B&M anywhere and those rides are still fricking great; Montu specifically is STILL probably the best B&M suspended ride despite it being almost 30 years old.
Going with your family for two days (assuming you're married with an average two children) is about 2000 dollars. If you cant figure out a way to spend time with your family for a weekend without spending 2000 dollars, sure. You can convince kids anything is fun though, so you're basically just going for your wife. Take your kids on a hiking trip and your wife on a romantic dinner instead to save a bit of money. If you dont have a wife and kids and just want to bathe in nostalgia for a few days just get some friends over and marathon disney films on a wienertail of mind altering drugs. Not really rocket science. If you just want to go for the rides, then there are way better parks for that. And if you just want to frick mickey mouse, go to a furry convo.
pre-2019? going to a Disney park was worth it.
nowadays, with:
>Genie+ & Lightning Lane being infinitely worse than FastPass
>having to reserve your ticket and someother bullshit steps. they'll turn you away at the front gate ticket booth if your ass didn't plan in advance
>Disney getting rid of a lot of in-park performers
>the quality of cast-members (apparently) slipping
>Disney Imagineering and construction getting their asses kicked by Universal
it's not worth it.
You can have a great time there, I'd just recommend planning out what attractions you're gonna hit and what you're gonna eat beforehand, as well as bringing either a good friend or significant other. It's not great being on your own.
Frick no, it is not worth the price.
Universal+IOA is better
t. orlando resident
That's a ride? Sounds like it should be a restaurant. A Princess and the Frog ride would be kind of easy - either a water ride that goes through the swamp or an acid trip ala Friends on the Other Side.
Since any associated restaurant will be owned by Disney, isn't this false advertising?
And did they seriously feel the need to rewrite the movie about a black woman struggling to save up money to follow her dream and own her own restaurant for commie brownie points?
It's a sequel to the movie. No Ray or Facilier in the ride.
why can't they just run into the friends on the other side in the underground area?
>best part of the movie just completely absent
they might as well have just tore the whole fricking ride down then if this is the crap they're replacing it with
LOL who in their right mind would try to sue fricking DISNEY on that basis?
>did they seriously feel the need to rewrite the movie about a black woman struggling to save up money to follow her dream and own her own restaurant
I will never get over how that entire struggle is instantly solved by her rich white friend just giving her the money for it.
>Cinemaphilemblr migrant has thitty take.
I mean she had the coffee cans full of savings too, but its odd that its presented as the first time she's done catering for the wealthy influential family she's known since childhood.
>So we're in agreement this is going to be the worst cartoon-themed ride in history and one of the parks biggest disasters ever?
Not even in the slightest. Worst case scenario, it will feel soulless compared to its predecessor
Well considering it's a Dark Ride with no Doctor F and just a stupid journey from the utoipia of Tianna's Co-op to some thing in the swamp with the gator. It's gonna be damn toothless.
>So we're in agreement this is going to be the worst cartoon-themed ride in history
How dare you try to de-throne Aladdin's Magic Carpets like that!
No. It'll be a good ride in the end. It will be different, the reasons it's happening gis dumb, but the ride itself will be a fine ride.
I actually like Princess and the Frog so I don't mind.
The crown looks stupid. Graphic designers are all slocky fricks now.
Honestly they should have just rerecorded the songs to help remove the accent. Or had a black artist worth a shit draw new versions of the animals and update the robots.
As it is, frog peincess is a step backward for black people as it is a mostly white property replacing black creates characters. They just needed to be further removed from song of the south, not completely deleted.
White people won't give a shit 5 years from now. Especially if they put a Cajun place inside the park. They'll forget what was lost as soon as they eat the gumbo.
Though I do wonder how the parks can do spicey food with a mass appeal. It is boring white people and europeans going to the parks
>Employee Owned
>Tiana's Foods
Do they not see the irony?
That she just forgot about having a grand Restaurant in New Orleans and doing her father proud. Now she's just a Coop maket. But hey her logo has a crown.
Why the frick is there a giant crown on a water tower
Qrd me on what's so bad about it
It replaced Splash Mountain. That's the only reason. If this were just another ride being built in the park no one would bat an eye at it.
More specifically because Bob Iger has some weird hateboner for Song of the South. You might hear people point to Disney responding to the Twitter mob campaigning for Splash Mountains retheming after George Flody, but Igers disdain for the film predates it. He's been wanting it gone for a long time but he had to fight with park management because it was a big E ticket attraction that only a small amount of people had an issue with its context. George Floyd was more or less an excuse for Iger to finally have his way
Honestly thats not the only reason. The Animatronics were also pushing 70 years old and had pretty severe moisture damage. Splash Mountain was due for an overhaul regardless.
Closer to 50 years and that's only a Disneyland problem.
Splash mountain already had the bulk of songofthesouth removed by day 1.
It is literally the only black creates cartoon characters in the whole fricking park
wow I wonder why disney would want to ditch ride theming that was based on a short film nobody cared about for decades
Did that stop the ride from being one of the most famous and popular of all time? People that have never been to a Disney park know that ride.
Song of the South is like a 90 minute long movie anon.
and it feels twice that. It was a fricking boring film
No wonder the only reason people enjoyed it was for the cartoon animals.
It's more like the Floyd stuff was a good way to get free PR for the refit announcement. Disney was already planning this beforehand. There were leaks and proposals for the refit. Splash Mountain represented a dead IP from a film Disney refuses to re-release and the ride was in need of repairs anyway. This made sense for someone like Iger who is very IP driven.
It was killed during the chapek era but iger could have pulled the plug but he didn’t
That's because the only time Chapek was in full control was in 2022
Iger was still around in 2020-2021 advising and making the final decisions despite Chapek being named CEO
Let's go down the list, without mentioning what it's replacing
>Majority of ride will be screens with a few token animatronics scattered in
>No Facilier
>Trying to force a heavy "employee owned so empowering" theme when the massive megacompany behind it would never be for that
>Ride story is straight up "find this missing ingredient" which was so bad even the defenders said it sucked, there's no conflict or story buildup
>Ride music is being made by Maroon 5 members
>The centerpiece is the cheap-looking water tower with the most gaudy crown on top making even Six Flags theming look more complete
And this is supposed to be Disneyland and Disney World's marquee E-ticket attraction. This is actually humiliating, I can't see how this isn't a complete failure.
>And this is supposed to be Disneyland and Disney World's marquee E-ticket attraction
I can think of at least four other rides that are higher on the totem pole than Splash Mountain.
>No Facilier
What the frick? His shadow gimmick in a ride feels like it'd be a slam dunk, why wouldn't they use that
maybe they think using a witch doctor will get them branded as racist now, I don't fricking know. facilier was definitely the best part of the movie, and I'd like to know what the frick a evil louisianan with magic powers would possibly be other than a goddamn witch doctor, its like the best possible usage of the archetype. I don't fricking get it
Insiders are claiming that's it exactly. Can't have a black voodoo man being evil.
Arguably one of Keith David's best animated roles and probably the last entertaining Disney villains. Whoever is writing the story for the ride needs to be fired for how boring it sounds
Dr. Facilier isn't a "witch doctor" in the sense of a medical quack, he's a voodoo priest. The "doctor" part of his name is meant to make him seem more trustworthy. There's nothing racist about it in this context, if anything it is hypothetically offensive to real voodoo practitioners, but the movie contrasts him with Mama Odie so the depiction isn't wholly negative as voodoo is usually shown in media. Facilier is just a conman, plain and simple.
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Cause they want it to be uplifting and empowering. That's why the drop is gonna be Mama Odie
Music by Maroon 5? As in they’re not even using the music from the movie?
No Facilier, no movie music… what’s the point then?
The classic Disney rides took you through the film’s story, as if you were now really there. Splash Mountain’s track even seemed tailor made for Princess/Frog. Cruise down the bayou, hit the dark rooms with blacklit Friends On The Other Side, crash down the drop, everyone makes it out alive and Zippity Do Dah celebration is replaced with Dig A Little Deeper.
Shit, they even had the boat, the animals need minimal changes.
It’s like Disney wants to lose money & piss off their fans.
A bunch of /misc/ users seething that Disney wants to re-theme a ride to not be associated with Soung of the South amd and claiming that Disney is only going to use screens, despite their beloved Universal Studios also having nothing but screen shit, but it's OK since it's based on Harry Potter
>despite their beloved Universal Studios also having nothing but screen shit
Universal's last two major rides were screenless rollercoasters.
>Mario Kart ride is half screens.
and yet it still had more physical elements and thought put into design than shit like WEB Slingers
Exceptions are not exemptions
>It's ok for Disney to only use screens because Universal also uses screens
Disney's screen rides like Runaway Train and the Ratatouille ride actual have physical sets and props throughout though
So do Universal's screen rides
That ride is from 1999. I'm talking about their recent stuff like The Simpsons Ride, Transformers, and Fast and Furious
>The Simpsons Ride
That's an updated version of a ride from 1991.
>Transformers
That uses as many practical elements as Spider-Man.
>Fast and Furious
Yes that is indeed lazy screens in a quick port from the hollywood tram tour, I'll give you that.
At least with Skull Island they put more effort into making it a unique ride and even had a giant animatronic Kong at the end.
New Epic Universe Fast Ride is going back to Physical, Most of Epic Universe is Physical too, their experiment with screens rides has been reduced. Disney though hasn't learnt a damn thing
>their experiment with screens rides has been reduced
They literally just opened an attraction 2 days ago that's nothing but standing on a moving walkway and shooting at screens.
Also it's based on Minions, which makes it shit automatically. I can't stand Illumination
The Simpsons ride is a motion simulator ride. Thats different from a Screen dark ride.
>recent stuff
>The Simpsons Ride
is 15 years old
>Transformers
is over 10 years old
>Fast and Furious
is 5 years old
My impression is: old well-liked ride is being changed to disassociate from its original controversial movie, even though most people don't care about the movie.
Forget about the rides, I'm all about the hotels
>Luxury beds
>At feets end the wall is narrowing the space to stand
I had the same problem when you build a redstone function and have not enough room for it!
Without Dr Facilier, yes
If the ride doesn't end with dancing voo doo masks chanting "Are you REEEEAAAAAAAADDDY??", followed by a massive watery plummet, the whole thing is a failure.
You know it's not going to.
Have faith in the soulless slop factory.
The only decision worse then not having him in this was that time they decided to have a JII ride without Figment for some reason
What classic rides are still there in the parks now? Haunted Mansion? Pirate's? Space Mountain? Even if it's gonna be a dark ride, it feels like it's still gonna be a downgrade from the original and like said, it's already worse than they could've made it.
Pretty sure all of the other classic rides are still at Disneyland, but Magic Kingdom had a couple removed over the years (Submarine Voyage, Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, Snow White's Scary Adventure)
Is there a board to fixate specifically over amusement parks?
Cinemaphile has a roller coaster general
Yes, Cinemaphile given the heavy connection to Cinemaphile related properties
There really should be a /rec/ or /msmt/ board dedicate to fairs, carnivals, theme/amusment parks, and arcades.
>So we're in agreement this is going to be the worst cartoon-themed ride in history and one of the parks biggest disasters ever?
Not even the worst in a Disney Park. Remember Superstar Limo?
Superstar Limo wasn't cartoon-themed and didn't replace a beloved ride
Well the worst still existing. There was a reason Tokyo Disney told them to frick off.
It makes sense from a business perspective. The whites who cherish splash are in the minority and quickly losing numbers while the blacks and other races becoming a larger market. Disney of course would want to appeal to that audience since that means more money will be flowing in
>Disney of course would want to appeal to that audience since that means more money will be flowing in
And yet prices of the parks have skyrocketed since the pandemic, leaving mostly wealthy whites and foreigners the only ones who can afford to go
Black People never cared for Princess and the Frog in the first place.
Do you think they will give a shit about Wish?
Yes they did
Blacks are not growing at any population rate
No, Disney will never rerelease Song of The South so they better off advertising a movie you can actually watch on Disney+.
What happened to Animaniacs and Tiny Toons is much, MUCH worse.
>What happened to Animaniacs and Tiny Toons is much, MUCH worse.
There was Animaniacs and Tiny Toons rides?
No, I'm talking about their reboot.
It's the only remake people are actually asking for.
You're talking as if a song of the south remake would not be the most memed on event in disney history
"Employee owned" homie what
Are megacorporations actually going to try and hijack the concept of a coop now to get themselves more money
DESU, I was never a fan of the aesthetic of OG Splash Mountain so... meh. Trading one thing I wasn't a fan of for another thing I'm not a fan of.
I'm an unapologetic Disney shill and my best reaction about this new retheme is cautiously optimistic
That's why I didn't get why they closed down the Disneyland one, they haven't even found out if the Disney World retheme worked yet
Disneyland's Splash Mountain is right next to the New Orleans Square and being in California, has more of the people whining about Song of the South. It's an easier fit there then it ever was in Florida.
Then why didn't they change the Disneyland one first see how that worked, and then change the Florida one?
In all honesty, if Splash Mountain HAS to be changed (protip: I doesn't), I still stand by my idea that they should've gone with Winnie the Pooh instead. You could easily retheme the whole ride into Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day. Replace the old Pooh ride with something else (Dumbo-esque ride with Heffalumps and Woozles), retheme the Hungry Bear restaurant into Rabbit's House/Garden, and just rename that part of the park "Pooh's Corner/Hundred Ace Wood." Keep the Tiana restaurant in NOS since it fits MUCH better with her overall theme.
I'd agree, Winnie is eternal of an IP that would deserve one of the e-ticket rides and Tiana is the perfect choice for a NOS restaurant IP.
I guess they didn't because of the whole PD thing. But I think it would have gone down better compared to the very obvious pandering they tried with a film not that much better racially then SOTS
If they did replace the Winnie the Pooh ride, I'd rather them just build a version of the ride at Tokyo Disneyland
Fair enough. It really is an excellent ride and mogs the American versions.
First off, the animatronics used in Disneyland's versions are on their last legs thanks to the constant water damage. Even if Splash Mountain wasn't being rethemed, they still need to do a lot of extensive restructuring of certain elements. Second, making it a Muppets ride would make even less sense since it throws off the synergy of the surrounding area. With PatF, at least, it can still be looked at as part of NOS meshing easier into Critter Country. The only option I can see Muppets working is either bringing back the theater show or retheming the Monster's Inc. ride, and that one's surprisingly popular with a lot of people.
It's an adventure through Kermit's swamp.
Heck you could theme the whole thing to the lyrics of Rainbow Connection
You're seriously suggesting a Pooh Splash Mountain when the Muppets are right there as an IP that could have accommodated America Sings animals?
I've just seen to have noticed that whenever you see Disneyland parodies in cartoons they always feature It's a Small World parody along the way, but when people go to Disney Parks for real they tend to go on stuff like Splash Mountain and Tower of Terror
Reminder also you have the weird theme mish-mash in Disneyland and Disney World by the ride's change that will cost billions over time to fix
It's a log flume with a big drop how bad can it be?
It's about a ten minute ride with near constant narration and visuals beyond the drop.
That would be a lot to make out from what little seems to be the Princess and Frog version.
>Replace Splash Mountain in general
>Set a ride in a mountain in New Orleans
>Not having a Facilier "Friends on the Other Side" section ride before you drop
It probably won't even have any Dixieland music.
Tbh it’s probably the biggest upgrades. A ride based on a good movie and hopefully a new restaurant near based on said movie. Good riddance splash mountain and that shit movie called song of the south. I’m excited for the new princess and the frog ride.
Said restaurant is just a reskin of a pre-existing one. From the looks of it, the restaurant will be opening long before the ride does.
I'm now extremely upset knowing that DisneySea was originally planned for the U.S. but canceled. Thanks Eisner!
This. Iger is obviously a bigger POS for what he's done to the company but let's not forget that the decline of the theme parks has been a thing that started with Eisner and his infamous budget cuts while trying to replace a bunch of older ones with cheaper alternatives that he thought would be "cool with the older crowd"
For the longest time I only ever heard good things about Eisner and how he enabled more creativity among the imagineers and stuff, but its good to finally hear some shit about him because there were just too many things that didnt add up if he was such a "good guy".
Kinda the same now with Iger.
Eisner lost his way when some of his inner circle went off to found DreamWorks. He then went into a spiral thinking he had to compete with them and lost track of actually doing what was best.
No, building another Pandora world at Disney Land is gonna flop hard.
Avatar fatigue is coming frickers. And the mouse is going to drop Jimbo like a hot rock.
Only if they don't give you beignets at the end of it.
man
I want some god damn beignets now
moronic. Splash mountain was so iconic. They tried hard to bury the history of Song of the South, and it didn’t stop the popularity. Now they replace it with Disney most forgettable Black person princess. Shit will shut down.
>The entire struggle was not solved with money but by violently threatening those property owners with a crocodile biting them bloodily to pieces
Sounds like real life but replace the crocodile with a revolution of the proletariat.
Diplomatic immunity from being the consort to Maldonian royalty.