He believes in equality and justice. He tried his best to work with the system and be a part of the hero world as a 'mortal' but he was told that no matter what he did he was never welcome, there were the haves and the have nots and in this case its not just wealth or connections its super powers.
He is still a villain but he's the sort that believes what they are doing is right and just and while everyone can agree you don't kidnap children in his mindset it was an ends justify the means situation to win against the ultimate evil in his world which is supers.
The Incredibles themselves can come off as a bit elitist and feel entitled to be special which is kind of a dangerous mindset
>The Incredibles themselves can come off as a bit elitist and feel entitled to be special which is kind of a dangerous mindset
yeah, especially mr incredible if he didn't have that "your not super so your worthless" attitude then alot of the movie could of been prevented, you stop more things with preventative measures not by punching every arch villain that comes along and that's without talking about the fact that heroes probably got payed money/did sponsors which isn't exactly the most moral thing not to mention insurance costs, innocents getting caught in the cross fire/collateral damage it's not all shocking why they got banned by the law, their too much of a liability.
>He believes in equality and justice.
Untrue, he wants to revel in his own superiority, just a technological instead of a genetic one. He laid it out as his business model to be a hero for several decades before profiteering on selling his tech. What's more he doesn't even want to share his tech with his henchmen, even though it'd drastically improve their odds against supers. >He tried his best to work with the system and be a part of the hero world as a 'mortal' but he was told that no matter what he did he was never welcome,
I'd bet everything against this. He was a direct participant in the event that lead to supers being abolished. He admits he gave up after he didn't get the love back from his superstar idol. So he absolutely didn't abandon the identity of Incredi-Boy and go around the whole super community pitching his gadgets and having everyone reject him out of hand. >it was an ends justify the means situation to win against the ultimate evil in his world which is supers.
It's hilarious that his war is against a group that's in hiding, and their only known crime was working with Syndrome... but the man never says what he plans to do with other Supers. Maybe he planned to fight them and stage it so they looked like they were in the wrong. Maybe he planned to target them with his droids and make it appear he was trying to save other supers. But he sent the Omnidroid to the specific city we know he knew Frozone was active in, so that may be an angle.
>I think he just has a very strong sense of justice
He doesn't, he just wanted to be a super hero at all costs and when he didn't got what he wanted he did a 180 and turned into a villain
>just has a very strong sense of justice, justice sensitivity
Justice is a strange term, but autists sometimes have principles or morality totally detached from the rest of the world, and the only thing that matters is whether or not something is "fair" to them. Someone like Syndrome would've cooked up that decade-spanning revenge scheme fully believing he did nothing wrong
What I've heard is that any competent lawyer should have been able to win the case with the guy trying to kill himself, because the injuries occurred in the process of Mr. Incredible stopping him from committing a crime.
The one with the train shouldn't have even gone to court, because Bomb Voyage was the one who should have been held accountable for those injuries.
if superheroes exist in this universe and they all work closely with the government you would think there'd be liability laws to protect them. guess not.
Did they ever mention what happens when a super marries a non-super and have children? Do they also have superpowers or does it only appear in pureblooded super families?
They never go that far into it. I'm pretty sure Frozone's wife is a non-super based on that one meme scene, so I guess if their kids are ever introduced in a sequel that'll be how the audience finds out
Syndrome is definitely a supergenius, the government just didn't seem to recognize INT-type supers in the Incredibles setting. I mean, the Incredibles takes place in an alt-50's and the Omnidroid is, ignoring it scale, operating with some 2040+ levels of AI and robotics.
There is a pretty good fan theory that says that all supers were government agents designed to fight crime. This explains a lot of plotpoints. The supers were legally responsible for their collateral damage because they were government employees. They got their gadgets via the government. None of the criminals they faught were supers because only the government had the research to create supers. The only children who are supers are those that are children of supers. The government was so willing to hide supers because they were responsible for them in the first place.
Do we know there weren't any super powered villains?
Obviously bomb-voyage seems like a normal human but not just some generic theif.
While he did use tech what was the underminer?
Also there's references to some supers like, I think his name was atom jack or something having super supremacist tendencies.
a classic narcissistic personality "if I can't have what I want then nobody can" mentality on top of a nepollian complex and a savior/holyier then thou complex not to mention being stubborn he could have used his smarts for something better but his ego got the better of him.
basically think lex luthor only if lex actually had a point.
He is existentially just an immature fanboy with way too many resources.
Autism
Who stews over some shit for 15 years?
I think he just has a very strong sense of justice, justice sensitivity, which is in autism but also ADHD.
Some people could see Syndrome as vindictive but I think it's more principled
Okay what are his principles?
He believes in equality and justice. He tried his best to work with the system and be a part of the hero world as a 'mortal' but he was told that no matter what he did he was never welcome, there were the haves and the have nots and in this case its not just wealth or connections its super powers.
He is still a villain but he's the sort that believes what they are doing is right and just and while everyone can agree you don't kidnap children in his mindset it was an ends justify the means situation to win against the ultimate evil in his world which is supers.
The Incredibles themselves can come off as a bit elitist and feel entitled to be special which is kind of a dangerous mindset
>The Incredibles themselves can come off as a bit elitist and feel entitled to be special which is kind of a dangerous mindset
yeah, especially mr incredible if he didn't have that "your not super so your worthless" attitude then alot of the movie could of been prevented, you stop more things with preventative measures not by punching every arch villain that comes along and that's without talking about the fact that heroes probably got payed money/did sponsors which isn't exactly the most moral thing not to mention insurance costs, innocents getting caught in the cross fire/collateral damage it's not all shocking why they got banned by the law, their too much of a liability.
ESL-kun, please, stop…
>He believes in equality and justice.
Untrue, he wants to revel in his own superiority, just a technological instead of a genetic one. He laid it out as his business model to be a hero for several decades before profiteering on selling his tech. What's more he doesn't even want to share his tech with his henchmen, even though it'd drastically improve their odds against supers.
>He tried his best to work with the system and be a part of the hero world as a 'mortal' but he was told that no matter what he did he was never welcome,
I'd bet everything against this. He was a direct participant in the event that lead to supers being abolished. He admits he gave up after he didn't get the love back from his superstar idol. So he absolutely didn't abandon the identity of Incredi-Boy and go around the whole super community pitching his gadgets and having everyone reject him out of hand.
>it was an ends justify the means situation to win against the ultimate evil in his world which is supers.
It's hilarious that his war is against a group that's in hiding, and their only known crime was working with Syndrome... but the man never says what he plans to do with other Supers. Maybe he planned to fight them and stage it so they looked like they were in the wrong. Maybe he planned to target them with his droids and make it appear he was trying to save other supers. But he sent the Omnidroid to the specific city we know he knew Frozone was active in, so that may be an angle.
Dude was attempting to kidnap a baby to groom into a villain to fight his own family. He has 0 principles.
>I think he just has a very strong sense of justice
He doesn't, he just wanted to be a super hero at all costs and when he didn't got what he wanted he did a 180 and turned into a villain
>just has a very strong sense of justice, justice sensitivity
Justice is a strange term, but autists sometimes have principles or morality totally detached from the rest of the world, and the only thing that matters is whether or not something is "fair" to them. Someone like Syndrome would've cooked up that decade-spanning revenge scheme fully believing he did nothing wrong
You can have all of that and still be a villain.
Yes
omoshiroi
A principled man doesn't sell weapons to third world despots and "keeps the best toys to himself"
>Who stews over some shit for 15 years?
The Barneygay guy
Who?
I'm pretty sure he's dead at this point.
All that's left are bots and imitators.
Down syndrome
heh
Nice one
Randian Objectivism.
Those criminals that mr. Incredible injured have rights!
But I’m left handed…
BURN FOR YOUR SINS
What I've heard is that any competent lawyer should have been able to win the case with the guy trying to kill himself, because the injuries occurred in the process of Mr. Incredible stopping him from committing a crime.
The one with the train shouldn't have even gone to court, because Bomb Voyage was the one who should have been held accountable for those injuries.
if superheroes exist in this universe and they all work closely with the government you would think there'd be liability laws to protect them. guess not.
everytime i see someone quote syndrome for some bullshit argument i get so pissed off.
Did they ever mention what happens when a super marries a non-super and have children? Do they also have superpowers or does it only appear in pureblooded super families?
They never go that far into it. I'm pretty sure Frozone's wife is a non-super based on that one meme scene, so I guess if their kids are ever introduced in a sequel that'll be how the audience finds out
Life is so unfair ism
>every villain in this world is just a regular human with no powers of their own
What did Brad Bird mean by that?
Syndrome is definitely a supergenius, the government just didn't seem to recognize INT-type supers in the Incredibles setting. I mean, the Incredibles takes place in an alt-50's and the Omnidroid is, ignoring it scale, operating with some 2040+ levels of AI and robotics.
exactly, i believe even Buddy himself did not realize he was super because of his intelligence.
There is a pretty good fan theory that says that all supers were government agents designed to fight crime. This explains a lot of plotpoints. The supers were legally responsible for their collateral damage because they were government employees. They got their gadgets via the government. None of the criminals they faught were supers because only the government had the research to create supers. The only children who are supers are those that are children of supers. The government was so willing to hide supers because they were responsible for them in the first place.
Do we know there weren't any super powered villains?
Obviously bomb-voyage seems like a normal human but not just some generic theif.
While he did use tech what was the underminer?
Also there's references to some supers like, I think his name was atom jack or something having super supremacist tendencies.
The The Boys adaptation we deserved
chronic chuditis
Textbook narcissism, sociopathy.
a classic narcissistic personality "if I can't have what I want then nobody can" mentality on top of a nepollian complex and a savior/holyier then thou complex not to mention being stubborn he could have used his smarts for something better but his ego got the better of him.
basically think lex luthor only if lex actually had a point.
Single mother
Repressed trans woman
There's no way they didn't intend him to be Mr. I's bastard son (Pixar probably shot that down) so I'm going with that being a factor.
Ginger
He wasn't wrong. He was a monstrous piece of shit, but he had a point.
Obsessive compulsive disorder, depression and autism.
Just a manchild who could never come to terms with life and the lottery of birth being unfair.
well he was super in some kind of way... super smart and autistic
Lots of people have those traits and don't succumb to megalomania.
>When everyone is special
>No one is
That makes no sense. If everyone has a random unique power they're still different from everyone else.
>yeah but like….I’m just supposed to be more powerful in every way cause genes
being a ginger