>Why did he make him?
To turn Kylo to the dark side + to serve as a distraction for the Resistance to focus on whilst he toiled away at constructing his fleet of Death Star Destroyers.
>To turn Kylo to the dark side
He was already on that path an Luke deciding to murder him is what flipped the switch. >to serve as a distraction for the Resistance
The First Order pretty much obliterated the Resistance.
All of Star Wars is just so dumb. I can't think of any other franchise that has such bad writing.
Why did he make him?
I actually never saw the later movies
It's kind of alluded to in a comic but not really. Vader goes to Exogol after ESB and finds out Palps had Luke's hand. It's implied that he was trying to create new force users using Skywalker blood and that's where Snoke came from
>I’ll just leave my sons hand here
Why didn’t Palpatine just ask Vader for some skin? I feel like their relationship was very passive aggressive and strained.
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It's kind of alluded to in a comic but not really. Vader goes to Exogol after ESB and finds out Palps had Luke's hand. It's implied that he was trying to create new force users using Skywalker blood and that's where Snoke came from
Again, it's never really explained. They're just trying to pad out the bad writing from the sequels with even more questionable creative decisions.
If Vader knew about this all along, why didn't he warn Luke in advance about the Emperor's secret fleet + cloning lab? The sequels could've been prevented sooner.
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He forgot.
11 months ago
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he probably figured the surface of the planet would collapse on them because it was only held up by a couple thousand mile long pillars
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Wait.. so they had those destroyers built during the galactic civil war? Why would they even need a giant fricking death star if they already could make the superlaser smaller?
How can this shit keep getting worse with every panel?
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>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>we strapped Death Star cannons to Star Destroyers!!
reads like the SW fanfic i read as a kid
Also this comic strongly implies that Sheev is Anakin's dad, making Reylo incest by proxy.
11 months ago
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this fricking comic artist cooms to NTR. I can spot my own kind.
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Early drafts of the Revenge of the Sith script strongly hint at this as well, even outright say it.
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>The source? My ass
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This is actually easily proven.
It was in the JW Rinzler book on the making of ROTS that came out when the movie came out.
> Darth Sidious: “I used the power of the Force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you.” > Anakin: “I don’t believe you.” > Darth Sidious: “Ahhh, but you know it’s true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. You could almost think me as your father.” > Anakin: “That’s impossible!“
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>The source? My ass
>the source
Literally the tragedy of Darth Plageius the wise. Palpy looks right at Anakin as he’s talking about how the dark side can be used to create life
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What I was reading out of the scene is that Palpatine and his master were dabbling in something like that but The Force created Anakin as a counterbalance. So while Palpatine and Plagueis failed, they did bring about Anakin's appearance by proxy.
That's why Palpatine recognized him and his potential and wanted to groom him.
11 months ago
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No that was Rey sorry
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Yeah, it implied it was Plageius that created Anakin, not Sheev.
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>early drafts
in the final release of the movie palpatine literally slowly turns and looks directly at anakin (the man born of a virgin birth) when he says the dark side of the force allows people to create life while sperm looking things swim in the background
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Yeah Sheev made Shmi pregnant but he didn’t frick her, he just used the force to make her eggs start separating and get pregnant on her own, he didn’t fricking teleport his dark side sperm into her c**t, if he was gonna do that he could have just skipped the middleman and fricked her
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Hahaha Shmi.
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[...] >the source
Literally the tragedy of Darth Plageius the wise. Palpy looks right at Anakin as he’s talking about how the dark side can be used to create life
This is actually easily proven.
It was in the JW Rinzler book on the making of ROTS that came out when the movie came out.
> Darth Sidious: “I used the power of the Force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you.” > Anakin: “I don’t believe you.” > Darth Sidious: “Ahhh, but you know it’s true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. You could almost think me as your father.” > Anakin: “That’s impossible!“
What I was reading out of the scene is that Palpatine and his master were dabbling in something like that but The Force created Anakin as a counterbalance. So while Palpatine and Plagueis failed, they did bring about Anakin's appearance by proxy.
That's why Palpatine recognized him and his potential and wanted to groom him.
Sheev definitely “conceived” Anakin, but they’re not related, he just used the Force to induce Shmi into giving a virgin birth.
>early drafts
in the final release of the movie palpatine literally slowly turns and looks directly at anakin (the man born of a virgin birth) when he says the dark side of the force allows people to create life while sperm looking things swim in the background
Lucas also said that it was a lie and Palpatine was selling him snake oil and it was literally a scam. Early drafts don't count for shit. Early drafts had Anakin's turn being completely different and Shaak Ti dying twice, for one. It also had 10 year old Han Solo. Only the final version matters. Anakin was created by the Whills to bring balance to the Force.
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Spelling out the Chosen One background makes it sound even more stupid.
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It was spelled out in The Phantom Menace. Lucas hasn't said anything new here. Anakin was born of the Force, he is a vergence in the Force, and he was created to restore balance, which means destroying the Sith. But people for some reason choose to believe Palpatine, the Devil of the setting, explicitly the bad guy, who lies, manipulates and kills throughout the entire saga.
What does "bringing balance to the Force" even mean exactly? Shouldn't that be an equal number of light and dark force user, or rather none at all?
Destroying the Sith. It was literally spelled out in the films.
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>It was spelled out in The Phantom Menace.
It was unfathomably moronic there, too.
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Nah, it was fine. Gave the saga a more defined mythological body.
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It didn't need a more defined mythological body, and it doesn't really work in context. It's dreck. Dross. Trash. Garbage. Hackery unbridled.
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I don't care what you think.
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I know, my sweet tender prequelteen. But it's the truth.
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>It didn't need a more defined mythological body
Says you.
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>Destroying the Sith. It was literally spelled out in the films.
They said 'Destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force', so they're separate outcomes/results. As to why wiping out one group of force users restoring balance, when there is a surplus or only light side users left, is still a mystery to me.
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No, they are the same.
Destroying the Sith and [therefore, by doing so] bringing balance to the Force.
Light Side does not bring the Force out of balance, only the Sith do by extensively using the Dark Side and thus destroying the symbiotic circles of life, forcing their selfish will onto existence, and thus disrupting the balance.
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>Light Side does not bring the Force out of balance, only the Sith do by extensively using the Dark Side and thus destroying the symbiotic circles of life, forcing their selfish will onto existence, and thus disrupting the balance.
How does that make sense when there are non-Sith dark side users? And also Gray Jedi, who use both sides. Only the Light side being the "true force" which doesn't disturb some sort of "balance" sounds more like dumb shit Lucas had to make up to force his dumb script onto existence.
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>thinking EU takes precedent over the actual films made by Lucas
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>How does that make sense when there are non-Sith dark side users?
They are not powerful enough to cause imbalance. And if they do become powerful, they are dealt with. >And also Gray Jedi, who use both sides.
Not canon. >Only the Light side being the "true force" which doesn't disturb some sort of "balance" sounds more like dumb shit Lucas had to make up to force his dumb script onto existence.
Yes, Light Side is in harmony with life. It's basic shit. Use your brain.
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The idea is that the light side is in harmony with the Force. The Dark Side is a part of life, but if you indulge it it throws things out of balance. But it's not really clear what about the Sith justifies a prophecy, or why the prophecy is treated as any kind of final word. It's just a given, because it's a lazy self-aware statement on Darth Vader throwing the Emperor down a well.
Is it me or are the siths based? Going against god and nature
11 months ago
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Calm down, troony.
11 months ago
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YWNBAJ
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>forcing their selfish will onto existence
Like when Qui-Gon cheated by manipulating the chance cube with the force?
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The idea is that the light side is in harmony with the Force. The Dark Side is a part of life, but if you indulge it it throws things out of balance. But it's not really clear what about the Sith justifies a prophecy, or why the prophecy is treated as any kind of final word. It's just a given, because it's a lazy self-aware statement on Darth Vader throwing the Emperor down a well.
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>Lucas also said that it was a lie and Palpatine was selling him snake oil and it was literally a scam. Early drafts don't count for shit. Early drafts had Anakin's turn being completely different and Shaak Ti dying twice, for one. It also had 10 year old Han Solo. Only the final version matters. Anakin was created by the Whills to bring balance to the Force.
You don't even know what you're arguing.
No one ever argued that Palpatine creating Anakin was canon. Just that there is precedent for an idea in the universe.
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Sheev definitely “conceived” Anakin, but they’re not related, he just used the Force to induce Shmi into giving a virgin birth.
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The Chosen One shit was always dumb. It's the worst thing in TPM. Far worse than Jar Jar.
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Yeah, the henchman from the first movie becoming Space Jesus along with a prophecy that makes no fricking sense at all.
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>making Reylo incest by proxy.
They had the solution to most of their problems with this. Make her the product of Sheev & Vader's force sensitive clone projects (a surrogate mother), specifically Starkiller's genetic material. Same for Finn, except First Order doing Hunger Games supersoldier template refreshers for the Sparti (Fast) Clone Cylinders. That way them having any force sensitivity breaks the rules of the universe as breakthroughs in the Plagueis sort of research Sidious & Vader were doing, representing a real ratcheting up of power.
kek another idea they stole from the EU and made infinitely worse. He could have used Vader's blood or even his, or the blood of the many inquisitors that serve him or the many Jedi he had killed.
He was a proxy for Grandpa Sheev, who was apparently alive and on life support the whole time.
Of course that's what he is now but it's more likely that they never planned it and the story group needed to come up with something quick for the last film
>Not one bit >What if everything we're doing, all the lives we're sacrificing, all the effort made would be for naught if the empire has Sith Zenkai boost powers and literally comes back 10x stronger each time we "defeat" them? >then we keep selling sequels
>jj admitted they didn't plan anything and just winged it >A company with billion dollar assets lets some israelite write slop as he goes along with no long term planning and no writing talent
Everybody loses now. Megacorp media is hot nepotism garbage. The only thing worth a frick anymore is made by the everyman and thrown on youtube or some other platform
Sheev made this literal who to run the First Order for him except this literal who clone is stronger in the Force than any jedi we've seen so far and even Anakin.
Don’t forget that he spent literal decades subverting a decadent republic, and funding both sides of a devastating war, all so he could then stage an emergency and become dictator of the newly formed galactic empire but none of this was needed because he could have just gone to his spooky sith planet and conjured a million death stars instead
>he could have just gone to his spooky sith planet and conjured a million death stars instead
God I HATE the moronic idea that Palatine can just spam 1000x Death Star Destoryers now that is so fricking INSANE and just ruins any stakes whatsoever from the earlier movies
whoever wrote that has brain damage jesus christ. It was already kinda lame that RotJ brings the death star back but at least its a cool unfinished death star
Force Awakens Starkiller base damn near ruins the movie with how awful that idea was bite no JJ had to DO IT AGAIN BUT THIS TIME 1000 DEATH STARS FRICK YOU THIS IS UNNACCEPTABLE
the fricking Room starring Tommy Wiseau has better screen writing bro
TFA is was ruined the moment it started with the stormtroopers. Immediately erased the OT’s story from mattering. Then it was just a string of memberberries and asspulls until credits. I can’t believe even my YouTube contrarian cynical grifters liked it when it first came out. I left the theater disgusted and never watched another SW movie since
Rich kid from Naboo who turned out a powerful force user, joined the darkside and killed his own family because he's le edgy. After killing his master he got into politics and played both sides in a galactic civil war as a way to take over the failing republic and wipe out the jedi.
>Wtf do you mean? He's the sith, he's Kylo's boss, he's the main villain, he's the King of the Dark Side, whatever, what more do you want?
Exactly. Sometimes the big bad boss doesn't need much elaboration.
Snoke is none of this and we get no explaination whatsoever.
Palpatine is an ancient Sith warrior who is probably hundreds if not a thousand years old who killed his master to take over and is playing a long con behind the scenes to cloud and eradicate the Jedi so he can rule the galaxy.
Smoke is………….. a decrepit guy, who has no goals and is bad I guess and he trained Kylo (maybe?) and……. ?????? We will never have any idea who or what that thing was supposed to be because the writers didn’t either and didn’t care.
>Palpatine is an ancient Sith warrior who is probably hundreds if not a thousand years old who killed his master to take over and is playing a long con behind the scenes to cloud and eradicate the Jedi so he can rule the galaxy.
None of this is in the OT though, which I think is the point that anon is making. Snoke is in sequels, though, which is a pretty big difference.
Okay in the OT he’s bad Yoda and all that implies.
Snoke is still no one and ultimately we never find out anything about him and he dies and it doesn’t even matter so idk what you’re trying to get at here.
>None of this is in the OT though, which I think is the point that anon is making
The OT gave enough context though. You know there's an evil empire, you're told the emperor took away the only bit of democracy they had left and you're introduced to him in the second movie where you understand he's also Vader's master.
Now unlike the OT, the sequels aren't an original story and don't start from scratch. Basic storytelling requires you to explain how you went from the ending of the OT to the empire being back, possibly even stronger and with a completely new guy in charge.
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>Now unlike the OT, the sequels aren't an original story and don't start from scratch
Which is why I said Snoke being in sequels is a big difference. I don't think they needed to ljnger on Snoke's origins because Kylo was clearly the overwhelming focus (
>Why kill him off in the second movie?
Because there was nothing there. All of the intrigue was with Kylo and his instability. From the beginning, Kylo got a lot more focus than Vader ever did. It was obvious that, at best, Snoke would be kindling for Kylo's fire, and that's how Johnson treated him. Snoke himself was a dead end.
) but the entire relation TFA had to the previous movies is a glossed over contrivance, no question. A few lines of evocative dialogue would've made a big difference.
>So who the FRICK is Palpatine?
So... >he's some spoiled rich chud from naboo >turns out to have force powers >runs into Plagueis >kills his entire family to join Plagueis >gets into politics to create a galactic war >rises through the ranks & becomes president whilst recruiting followers >kills his master in his sleep >recruits latest apprentice to holocaust peacekeepers >eventually repurposes government as a monarchy, establishing himself as said monarch >civil war arises; years pass >tries to recruit latest apprentice's son, but fails >gets killed by said apprentice, but he anticipated this with the establishment of a cloning lab on a secret world; his monarchy falls >said secret world is where he constructed a fleet of planet killers + flesh golem puppets >decades later, he sends one flesh golem out to groom the grandson of his former apprentice whilst tricking the galaxy into thinking he's still dead >also tried cloning himself again due to his current body rotting away >one clone escapes and starts a family, siring a "granddaughter" >said granddaughter has a plot-convenient psychic bond with the grandson of his former apprentice >remnant of his monarchy forms a splinter faction that's led by his flesh puppet + has inexplicably more money & power than the old monarchy did in its heyday >said flesh puppet is killed by grandson guy, with the former taking over the splinter group >one year later, grandson finds him and his cloning lab + unfinished planet-killing fleet >promises to make him emperor if he kills his granddaughter >said grandson fails; granddaughter finds him >orders said granddaughter to kill him so he can possess her; she refuses & joins with grandson man to kill him >sucks the life out of them to rejuvenate himself due to their psychic bond; chucks grandson down a hole >goes all lightning kamehameha on good guys, but granddaughter gets up and kills him "in self-defense, not anger" by reflecting his lightning back at him
Now you know.
They should make it so Rey was actually possessed and that’s why she stole the name. Would make a more interesting setup for her never happening sequel movie
>If I can pull a false equivalency I just might look so stupid that nobody will even bother to refute me and then I'll be right be default
Excellent strategy
>Why kill him off in the second movie?
Because there was nothing there. All of the intrigue was with Kylo and his instability. From the beginning, Kylo got a lot more focus than Vader ever did. It was obvious that, at best, Snoke would be kindling for Kylo's fire, and that's how Johnson treated him. Snoke himself was a dead end.
>The Empire secretly built the THIRD Death Star by converting the planet where all the super special lightsaber crystals are made
>The Empire glassed Mandalore and made it uninhabitable but actually didn't and had a secret base
>The Empire could actually clone a force user to rival the Emperor but instead of making like 10 of these guys and taking over with zero effort they made just one
>The Empire turned ANOTHER Skywalker and had him tantrum around instead AGAIN instead of just bonking him on the head and then using his DNA to clone someone more sensible
>The Empire had a super secret Sith cult planet where they had fifty thousand star destroyers on standby but never used them
>The Empire literally did not have to do a goddamn thing because Luke gave up, Leia became irrelevant and Han went back to smuggling and the New Republic dismantled ALL of their weapons EVERYWHERE
>The Empire did not invest in hyperspace ramming weapons manned by droids which would cost frick all and could obliterate anything
>The Empire secretly built the THIRD Death Star by converting the planet where all the super special lightsaber crystals are made
This is the only one that I'm actually okay with. Ilum is in lore, where Jedi get their kyber crystals, and after taking over the Galaxy, Palpatine conceivably could've commissioned the gutting of the planet which would've taken a long-ass time, certainly longer than the Death Star given its size.
I'm not okay with it because it's a well known system and even someone casually passing by would notice that an entire planet is getting hollowed out into a superweapon.
And apparently nobody in the New Republic spotted that for decades.
I really wanted him to be the blond youndling that spoke to Anakin during the jedi purge. He would have been Anakin's greatest monster. Wasted opportunity.
Abrams is a hack who got his chops working on Lost where he became obsessed with not telling viewers anything and turning everything into a mystery box.
I don't remember them showing up. In fact I don't remember anything that happened in this fever dream of a movie, expect that black chick shooting down TIE Fighters with a bow and Rey suddenly having healing powers. Frick I want my 2h of life time back.
>Rey suddenly having healing powers
Dang. I know someone who’d love to know how that works. Maybe he can steal Ashoka’s time bullshit machine so he can see it in action
the healing powers were introduced a week prior by baby yoda in a mando episode before rise's premiere, but yeah. also Kylo mercs all these dudes at the end of the movie
Last star wars I watched was Force Awakens. Are you telling me the Emperor didn't die in RotJ? lol they can't stop shitting on the original for some reason
He didn't die, or at least came back. We don't know, the movie didn't explain it. All we got is a character saying "somehow, Palpatine returned". And yes, that's an actual quote from the movie.
Of course the mary sue kills him, succeeding where Vader apparently failed.
My fan theory is that force ghosts are fake and manifestations of the whills (whatever tf that is) used in order to cause eternal struggle between light and dark. That’s why they don’t just act like the characters would, they’re literal contrivances by a sinister hive mind.
>"As explained in The Clone Wars episode “Voices”, Qui-Gon Jinn spent time with five Force Priestesses on their planet, the Wellspring of Life. They explained to him how he could keep his persona when he died and joined the Cosmic Force. Qui-Gon learned how to hear the Cosmic Force and when he died in Episode I he joined the Cosmic Force with his persona intact and was able to talk to Yoda in Episode III. When he was there, he learned more about how to become a Force ghost to keep your identity. Qui-Gon passed that information along to Yoda, Yoda taught Ben and Ben was teaching Luke how to do that. So that’s how that symbiotic circle of people learned how to go from heaven to Earth, so to speak. It’s based on Greek mythology - how to become a god, but in a much more practical sense and without the ego, without the identity."—George Lucas, The Star Wars Archives: Episodes I–III, 1999–2005
Whills don't promote the struggle. People have a will, and people choose to become evil, thus causing imbalance. Whills make things happen that restore balance. Force ghosts can't tell everything, because people will always try to prevent the future, just like Anakin did with Padme, and thus they make their own little self-fulfilling prophecies. People must act by the will of God and not force their own fricking up everything. Force ghosts are there to guide those who are required to fulfill the God's plan and to preserve knowledge.
>Shouldn't that be an equal number of light and dark force user
No, the presence of dark side users causes imbalance.
Children understand this, how come morons like you can't?
>No, the presence of dark side users causes imbalance.
Ok let's entertain the idea that it causes some imbalance in the force. What are the consequences of it being imbalanced? Bad harvests? Stock market crashes? Sudden female mood swings? Literally nothing changes whether it is imbalanced or not.
How about the Sith orchestrating a Galactic fricking war and blowing up planets, you dumb Black person. That sure as hell fricks up the entire concept of natural life cycles, the symbiotic relationship between the cosmic and the living force, because a bunch of Black folk got powerful enough to frick it all up, and thus disrupting the balance. You homosexuals are so stupid, it's unreal.
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lmao you guys are so deep up George's ass that you eat the nonsensical le imbalance stopped by space jesus slop. As if there were no wars if it weren't for the sith, frick, the war in the OT wasn't even started by the sith, but the harmony guys, causing millions of deaths. How's that for balance, disBlack person?
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>As if there were no wars if it weren't for the sith
Correct. Did you watch the movies? There hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic, which means 1000 years of peace. >the war in the OT wasn't even started by the sith
It literally was. Palpatine took over as a result of multiple orchestrated wars and genocides, and he established an anti-freedom, anti-life fascist dictatorship that had to be brought down. > but the harmony guys, causing millions of deaths
Ah, you're just trolling now.
They're going to explain that Palpatine really did die on the Death Star and that the palpatine in Rise of Skywalker was from parallel universe, thus opening up the inevitable Star Wars Multiverse.
>Cronal-Blackhole hybrid >"sorcerers of Rhand" >imperial cult of The Dark leader, researching the source of the dark, tied into continuity of imperial government structures like the Hands of the Emperor, special weapons projects and archaeology beyond the Outer Rim ect. >speciality: bilocation, force hallucinations both visual and auditory
They shot Johnson's first draft, it's literally "I hate my dad" personal blog post tier exposition puppetry. It doesn't matter, he's some bald dead guy in a shitty corporate fanfic.
The Emperor was playing mind-games with Luke for over 20 minutes of screen-time. Vader throwing him over the edge felt justified, not cheap. God I hate Rian Johnson's stupid homosexual guts
The Last Jedi could have been so good if it turned out that Snoke was the first (prime) Jedi turned evil. Him and Luke (the last Jedi) would face off and kill each other. Why they didn’t do this I’ll never understand, it was set up in the movie.
no one knows
no one cares
Palpatine in 9 said "I made Snoke" and you can see other Snoke in a machine
Only explanation of the trilogy
Why did he make him?
I actually never saw the later movies
they don't explain why. maybe he was bored idk
it was so he would have bodies to jump to and from, and eventually into his granddaughter rey because sheev palpatine was a troony all along.
>Why did he make him?
To turn Kylo to the dark side + to serve as a distraction for the Resistance to focus on whilst he toiled away at constructing his fleet of Death Star Destroyers.
>To turn Kylo to the dark side
He was already on that path an Luke deciding to murder him is what flipped the switch.
>to serve as a distraction for the Resistance
The First Order pretty much obliterated the Resistance.
All of Star Wars is just so dumb. I can't think of any other franchise that has such bad writing.
Wow, deep
So the reason Snoke was so ugly was Palpatine was just really shitty at making humans.
>MUUUUH DEEEEEEEXK
Dracula
Literally explained in the third movie, dumbass. I wish Cinemaphile actually watched the movies they criticize.
All we know is that Sheev "made him" and we aren't given any further info
Ok…. So what happened? Palpatine…. Clones some old gross guy…… why
It's kind of alluded to in a comic but not really. Vader goes to Exogol after ESB and finds out Palps had Luke's hand. It's implied that he was trying to create new force users using Skywalker blood and that's where Snoke came from
why would he need luke's hand for that? he could just use vader's blood
Again, it's never really explained. They're just trying to pad out the bad writing from the sequels with even more questionable creative decisions.
wat
What is vader doing?
He's doin YA MOM DOIN DOIN YA MOM
>sense
>this picture makes none
It does make sense. Vader likes playing in water. Its soft, smooth, calming and it stays put.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>I’ll just leave my sons hand here
Why didn’t Palpatine just ask Vader for some skin? I feel like their relationship was very passive aggressive and strained.
If Vader knew about this all along, why didn't he warn Luke in advance about the Emperor's secret fleet + cloning lab? The sequels could've been prevented sooner.
He forgot.
he probably figured the surface of the planet would collapse on them because it was only held up by a couple thousand mile long pillars
Wait.. so they had those destroyers built during the galactic civil war? Why would they even need a giant fricking death star if they already could make the superlaser smaller?
How can this shit keep getting worse with every panel?
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>we strapped Death Star cannons to Star Destroyers!!
reads like the SW fanfic i read as a kid
Also this comic strongly implies that Sheev is Anakin's dad, making Reylo incest by proxy.
this fricking comic artist cooms to NTR. I can spot my own kind.
Early drafts of the Revenge of the Sith script strongly hint at this as well, even outright say it.
>The source? My ass
This is actually easily proven.
It was in the JW Rinzler book on the making of ROTS that came out when the movie came out.
> Darth Sidious: “I used the power of the Force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you.”
> Anakin: “I don’t believe you.”
> Darth Sidious: “Ahhh, but you know it’s true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. You could almost think me as your father.”
> Anakin: “That’s impossible!“
>the source
Literally the tragedy of Darth Plageius the wise. Palpy looks right at Anakin as he’s talking about how the dark side can be used to create life
What I was reading out of the scene is that Palpatine and his master were dabbling in something like that but The Force created Anakin as a counterbalance. So while Palpatine and Plagueis failed, they did bring about Anakin's appearance by proxy.
That's why Palpatine recognized him and his potential and wanted to groom him.
No that was Rey sorry
Yeah, it implied it was Plageius that created Anakin, not Sheev.
>early drafts
in the final release of the movie palpatine literally slowly turns and looks directly at anakin (the man born of a virgin birth) when he says the dark side of the force allows people to create life while sperm looking things swim in the background
Yeah Sheev made Shmi pregnant but he didn’t frick her, he just used the force to make her eggs start separating and get pregnant on her own, he didn’t fricking teleport his dark side sperm into her c**t, if he was gonna do that he could have just skipped the middleman and fricked her
Hahaha Shmi.
Lucas also said that it was a lie and Palpatine was selling him snake oil and it was literally a scam. Early drafts don't count for shit. Early drafts had Anakin's turn being completely different and Shaak Ti dying twice, for one. It also had 10 year old Han Solo. Only the final version matters. Anakin was created by the Whills to bring balance to the Force.
Spelling out the Chosen One background makes it sound even more stupid.
It was spelled out in The Phantom Menace. Lucas hasn't said anything new here. Anakin was born of the Force, he is a vergence in the Force, and he was created to restore balance, which means destroying the Sith. But people for some reason choose to believe Palpatine, the Devil of the setting, explicitly the bad guy, who lies, manipulates and kills throughout the entire saga.
Destroying the Sith. It was literally spelled out in the films.
>It was spelled out in The Phantom Menace.
It was unfathomably moronic there, too.
Nah, it was fine. Gave the saga a more defined mythological body.
It didn't need a more defined mythological body, and it doesn't really work in context. It's dreck. Dross. Trash. Garbage. Hackery unbridled.
I don't care what you think.
I know, my sweet tender prequelteen. But it's the truth.
>It didn't need a more defined mythological body
Says you.
>Destroying the Sith. It was literally spelled out in the films.
They said 'Destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force', so they're separate outcomes/results. As to why wiping out one group of force users restoring balance, when there is a surplus or only light side users left, is still a mystery to me.
No, they are the same.
Destroying the Sith and [therefore, by doing so] bringing balance to the Force.
Light Side does not bring the Force out of balance, only the Sith do by extensively using the Dark Side and thus destroying the symbiotic circles of life, forcing their selfish will onto existence, and thus disrupting the balance.
>Light Side does not bring the Force out of balance, only the Sith do by extensively using the Dark Side and thus destroying the symbiotic circles of life, forcing their selfish will onto existence, and thus disrupting the balance.
How does that make sense when there are non-Sith dark side users? And also Gray Jedi, who use both sides. Only the Light side being the "true force" which doesn't disturb some sort of "balance" sounds more like dumb shit Lucas had to make up to force his dumb script onto existence.
>thinking EU takes precedent over the actual films made by Lucas
>How does that make sense when there are non-Sith dark side users?
They are not powerful enough to cause imbalance. And if they do become powerful, they are dealt with.
>And also Gray Jedi, who use both sides.
Not canon.
>Only the Light side being the "true force" which doesn't disturb some sort of "balance" sounds more like dumb shit Lucas had to make up to force his dumb script onto existence.
Yes, Light Side is in harmony with life. It's basic shit. Use your brain.
Is it me or are the siths based? Going against god and nature
Calm down, troony.
YWNBAJ
>forcing their selfish will onto existence
Like when Qui-Gon cheated by manipulating the chance cube with the force?
The idea is that the light side is in harmony with the Force. The Dark Side is a part of life, but if you indulge it it throws things out of balance. But it's not really clear what about the Sith justifies a prophecy, or why the prophecy is treated as any kind of final word. It's just a given, because it's a lazy self-aware statement on Darth Vader throwing the Emperor down a well.
>Lucas also said that it was a lie and Palpatine was selling him snake oil and it was literally a scam. Early drafts don't count for shit. Early drafts had Anakin's turn being completely different and Shaak Ti dying twice, for one. It also had 10 year old Han Solo. Only the final version matters. Anakin was created by the Whills to bring balance to the Force.
You don't even know what you're arguing.
No one ever argued that Palpatine creating Anakin was canon. Just that there is precedent for an idea in the universe.
Sheev definitely “conceived” Anakin, but they’re not related, he just used the Force to induce Shmi into giving a virgin birth.
The Chosen One shit was always dumb. It's the worst thing in TPM. Far worse than Jar Jar.
Yeah, the henchman from the first movie becoming Space Jesus along with a prophecy that makes no fricking sense at all.
>making Reylo incest by proxy.
They had the solution to most of their problems with this. Make her the product of Sheev & Vader's force sensitive clone projects (a surrogate mother), specifically Starkiller's genetic material. Same for Finn, except First Order doing Hunger Games supersoldier template refreshers for the Sparti (Fast) Clone Cylinders. That way them having any force sensitivity breaks the rules of the universe as breakthroughs in the Plagueis sort of research Sidious & Vader were doing, representing a real ratcheting up of power.
>knew the emperor was using luke's fap hand to make weird ass clones
>still waited until luke was getting fried alive to do something about it
>Rey kills even more skywalkers
Lmao it’s surgical
kek another idea they stole from the EU and made infinitely worse. He could have used Vader's blood or even his, or the blood of the many inquisitors that serve him or the many Jedi he had killed.
>using Skywalker blood
FRICKING HELL
thats so stupid.
>Snoke has a better claim to the Skywalker name than Rey
>third movie
Oh, the one no one watched
I watched it in theaters you stupid c**t
Fricking dork
>Saw that slop
>Paid to do so
>Calls others stupid
lol
I just realized I didn’t bother to watch the 3rd movie
I didn't watch it but I tell everyone that it's bad and there's nothing you can do about it.
He was a proxy for Grandpa Sheev, who was apparently alive and on life support the whole time.
Of course that's what he is now but it's more likely that they never planned it and the story group needed to come up with something quick for the last film
>Not one bit
>What if everything we're doing, all the lives we're sacrificing, all the effort made would be for naught if the empire has Sith Zenkai boost powers and literally comes back 10x stronger each time we "defeat" them?
>then we keep selling sequels
/thread, jj admitted they didn't plan anything and just winged it.
>jj admitted they didn't plan anything and just winged it
>A company with billion dollar assets lets some israelite write slop as he goes along with no long term planning and no writing talent
Everybody loses now. Megacorp media is hot nepotism garbage. The only thing worth a frick anymore is made by the everyman and thrown on youtube or some other platform
Sheev made this literal who to run the First Order for him except this literal who clone is stronger in the Force than any jedi we've seen so far and even Anakin.
That's how much this whole shitheap makes sense.
Don’t forget that he spent literal decades subverting a decadent republic, and funding both sides of a devastating war, all so he could then stage an emergency and become dictator of the newly formed galactic empire but none of this was needed because he could have just gone to his spooky sith planet and conjured a million death stars instead
>he could have just gone to his spooky sith planet and conjured a million death stars instead
God I HATE the moronic idea that Palatine can just spam 1000x Death Star Destoryers now that is so fricking INSANE and just ruins any stakes whatsoever from the earlier movies
whoever wrote that has brain damage jesus christ. It was already kinda lame that RotJ brings the death star back but at least its a cool unfinished death star
Force Awakens Starkiller base damn near ruins the movie with how awful that idea was bite no JJ had to DO IT AGAIN BUT THIS TIME 1000 DEATH STARS FRICK YOU THIS IS UNNACCEPTABLE
the fricking Room starring Tommy Wiseau has better screen writing bro
TFA is was ruined the moment it started with the stormtroopers. Immediately erased the OT’s story from mattering. Then it was just a string of memberberries and asspulls until credits. I can’t believe even my YouTube contrarian cynical grifters liked it when it first came out. I left the theater disgusted and never watched another SW movie since
>sabotaged Lucas's influence out of the ST so he could LARP as Lucas in 1976 making Star Wars
I hate JJ Abrams so much, bros.
Snoke weed every day
The Disney Wars was literally made like one of those old message board threads where people tell a story from post to post in the same thread.
Snoke is the most powerful evil Force man ever and he makes a super new Empire. -posted by jedilord666
And then Snoke gets cut in half by girl boss Rey and her BF in an epic light sword battle. -posted by dumbgay420
So who the FRICK is Palpatine?
Why kill him off in his first appearance?
he appeared in ESB in as a hologram. he also wasn't called palpatines until the prequels
>first appearance
Yes, that was his first appearance in the original trilogy, you Special Edition slurping zoomer moron.
He was still in Empire even if he wasn’t played by McDiarmud until Jedi. God you homosexuals are stupid.
Do you actually think that the special editions invented the zoom call Vader has with the Emperor?
Yes
Wrong AND rude
Rich kid from Naboo who turned out a powerful force user, joined the darkside and killed his own family because he's le edgy. After killing his master he got into politics and played both sides in a galactic civil war as a way to take over the failing republic and wipe out the jedi.
don't forget he dabbled with training a gungan whom he later made senator
Wtf do you mean? He’s the sith, he’s Vader’s boss, he’s the main villain, he’s the King of the Dark Side, whatever, what more do you want?
>Wtf do you mean? He's the sith, he's Kylo's boss, he's the main villain, he's the King of the Dark Side, whatever, what more do you want?
Exactly. Sometimes the big bad boss doesn't need much elaboration.
>he's the main villain
he isn't
>he's the King of the Dark Side
he isn't
Snoke is none of this and we get no explaination whatsoever.
Palpatine is an ancient Sith warrior who is probably hundreds if not a thousand years old who killed his master to take over and is playing a long con behind the scenes to cloud and eradicate the Jedi so he can rule the galaxy.
Smoke is………….. a decrepit guy, who has no goals and is bad I guess and he trained Kylo (maybe?) and……. ?????? We will never have any idea who or what that thing was supposed to be because the writers didn’t either and didn’t care.
>Palpatine is an ancient Sith warrior who is probably hundreds if not a thousand years old who killed his master to take over and is playing a long con behind the scenes to cloud and eradicate the Jedi so he can rule the galaxy.
None of this is in the OT though, which I think is the point that anon is making. Snoke is in sequels, though, which is a pretty big difference.
Okay in the OT he’s bad Yoda and all that implies.
Snoke is still no one and ultimately we never find out anything about him and he dies and it doesn’t even matter so idk what you’re trying to get at here.
>None of this is in the OT though, which I think is the point that anon is making
The OT gave enough context though. You know there's an evil empire, you're told the emperor took away the only bit of democracy they had left and you're introduced to him in the second movie where you understand he's also Vader's master.
Now unlike the OT, the sequels aren't an original story and don't start from scratch. Basic storytelling requires you to explain how you went from the ending of the OT to the empire being back, possibly even stronger and with a completely new guy in charge.
>Now unlike the OT, the sequels aren't an original story and don't start from scratch
Which is why I said Snoke being in sequels is a big difference. I don't think they needed to ljnger on Snoke's origins because Kylo was clearly the overwhelming focus (
) but the entire relation TFA had to the previous movies is a glossed over contrivance, no question. A few lines of evocative dialogue would've made a big difference.
>So who the FRICK is Palpatine?
So...
>he's some spoiled rich chud from naboo
>turns out to have force powers
>runs into Plagueis
>kills his entire family to join Plagueis
>gets into politics to create a galactic war
>rises through the ranks & becomes president whilst recruiting followers
>kills his master in his sleep
>recruits latest apprentice to holocaust peacekeepers
>eventually repurposes government as a monarchy, establishing himself as said monarch
>civil war arises; years pass
>tries to recruit latest apprentice's son, but fails
>gets killed by said apprentice, but he anticipated this with the establishment of a cloning lab on a secret world; his monarchy falls
>said secret world is where he constructed a fleet of planet killers + flesh golem puppets
>decades later, he sends one flesh golem out to groom the grandson of his former apprentice whilst tricking the galaxy into thinking he's still dead
>also tried cloning himself again due to his current body rotting away
>one clone escapes and starts a family, siring a "granddaughter"
>said granddaughter has a plot-convenient psychic bond with the grandson of his former apprentice
>remnant of his monarchy forms a splinter faction that's led by his flesh puppet + has inexplicably more money & power than the old monarchy did in its heyday
>said flesh puppet is killed by grandson guy, with the former taking over the splinter group
>one year later, grandson finds him and his cloning lab + unfinished planet-killing fleet
>promises to make him emperor if he kills his granddaughter
>said grandson fails; granddaughter finds him
>orders said granddaughter to kill him so he can possess her; she refuses & joins with grandson man to kill him
>sucks the life out of them to rejuvenate himself due to their psychic bond; chucks grandson down a hole
>goes all lightning kamehameha on good guys, but granddaughter gets up and kills him "in self-defense, not anger" by reflecting his lightning back at him
Now you know.
Never watched this shitty movie but when was this shit explained?
>Never watched this shitty movie but when was this shit explained?
Not in the movies, that's for sure.
They should make it so Rey was actually possessed and that’s why she stole the name. Would make a more interesting setup for her never happening sequel movie
>If I can pull a false equivalency I just might look so stupid that nobody will even bother to refute me and then I'll be right be default
Excellent strategy
>Sequeltards
Keep eating your Yidsney shit, homosexual
A good question for another time
>Why kill him off in the second movie?
Because there was nothing there. All of the intrigue was with Kylo and his instability. From the beginning, Kylo got a lot more focus than Vader ever did. It was obvious that, at best, Snoke would be kindling for Kylo's fire, and that's how Johnson treated him. Snoke himself was a dead end.
Nobody gives a shit about the sequels, who the frick cares.
Indy 5 is also going to fricking suck.
He's a man and therefore he's evil and he needed to die
Kylo Ren was also a man, that's why he needed to die too
Snoke is short for snort coke which is what the writer did before creating him
A good friend (and a question for another time).
>The Empire secretly built the THIRD Death Star by converting the planet where all the super special lightsaber crystals are made
>The Empire glassed Mandalore and made it uninhabitable but actually didn't and had a secret base
>The Empire could actually clone a force user to rival the Emperor but instead of making like 10 of these guys and taking over with zero effort they made just one
>The Empire turned ANOTHER Skywalker and had him tantrum around instead AGAIN instead of just bonking him on the head and then using his DNA to clone someone more sensible
>The Empire had a super secret Sith cult planet where they had fifty thousand star destroyers on standby but never used them
>The Empire literally did not have to do a goddamn thing because Luke gave up, Leia became irrelevant and Han went back to smuggling and the New Republic dismantled ALL of their weapons EVERYWHERE
>The Empire did not invest in hyperspace ramming weapons manned by droids which would cost frick all and could obliterate anything
>The Empire secretly built the THIRD Death Star by converting the planet where all the super special lightsaber crystals are made
This is the only one that I'm actually okay with. Ilum is in lore, where Jedi get their kyber crystals, and after taking over the Galaxy, Palpatine conceivably could've commissioned the gutting of the planet which would've taken a long-ass time, certainly longer than the Death Star given its size.
I'm not okay with it because it's a well known system and even someone casually passing by would notice that an entire planet is getting hollowed out into a superweapon.
And apparently nobody in the New Republic spotted that for decades.
I saw it in theaters in 4D, never see a bad movie in 4D it's like a MKULTRA torture chanber
I really wanted him to be the blond youndling that spoke to Anakin during the jedi purge. He would have been Anakin's greatest monster. Wasted opportunity.
I think smoke should have a lightsabe
Abrams is a hack who got his chops working on Lost where he became obsessed with not telling viewers anything and turning everything into a mystery box.
I made Snoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHfPfjQYrHU&ab_channel=JonnyEthco
Mispelled sneed.
him got a big head
"Idk lol" - Rian Johnson and israeliteisraelite Abrams
Reminder for the thread that these dudes were in Rise of Skywalker
What? Which dudes?
Im moronic and forgot pic these dudes
I don't remember them showing up. In fact I don't remember anything that happened in this fever dream of a movie, expect that black chick shooting down TIE Fighters with a bow and Rey suddenly having healing powers. Frick I want my 2h of life time back.
>Rey suddenly having healing powers
Dang. I know someone who’d love to know how that works. Maybe he can steal Ashoka’s time bullshit machine so he can see it in action
the healing powers were introduced a week prior by baby yoda in a mando episode before rise's premiere, but yeah. also Kylo mercs all these dudes at the end of the movie
Story be like racis and sheet. Gimme dat next flick. Thus, Woke Wars died a horrible death.
star wars fricking sucks dude
Gotcha! He's a nobody. It doesn't matter.
https://twitter.com/elijahwood/status/1229632586760081409
Last star wars I watched was Force Awakens. Are you telling me the Emperor didn't die in RotJ? lol they can't stop shitting on the original for some reason
He didn't die, or at least came back. We don't know, the movie didn't explain it. All we got is a character saying "somehow, Palpatine returned". And yes, that's an actual quote from the movie.
Of course the mary sue kills him, succeeding where Vader apparently failed.
My fan theory is that force ghosts are fake and manifestations of the whills (whatever tf that is) used in order to cause eternal struggle between light and dark. That’s why they don’t just act like the characters would, they’re literal contrivances by a sinister hive mind.
Star Wars lore person itt does this check out?
No, that's incorrect.
>"As explained in The Clone Wars episode “Voices”, Qui-Gon Jinn spent time with five Force Priestesses on their planet, the Wellspring of Life. They explained to him how he could keep his persona when he died and joined the Cosmic Force. Qui-Gon learned how to hear the Cosmic Force and when he died in Episode I he joined the Cosmic Force with his persona intact and was able to talk to Yoda in Episode III. When he was there, he learned more about how to become a Force ghost to keep your identity. Qui-Gon passed that information along to Yoda, Yoda taught Ben and Ben was teaching Luke how to do that. So that’s how that symbiotic circle of people learned how to go from heaven to Earth, so to speak. It’s based on Greek mythology - how to become a god, but in a much more practical sense and without the ego, without the identity."—George Lucas, The Star Wars Archives: Episodes I–III, 1999–2005
Whills don't promote the struggle. People have a will, and people choose to become evil, thus causing imbalance. Whills make things happen that restore balance. Force ghosts can't tell everything, because people will always try to prevent the future, just like Anakin did with Padme, and thus they make their own little self-fulfilling prophecies. People must act by the will of God and not force their own fricking up everything. Force ghosts are there to guide those who are required to fulfill the God's plan and to preserve knowledge.
What does "bringing balance to the Force" even mean exactly? Shouldn't that be an equal number of light and dark force user, or rather none at all?
>Shouldn't that be an equal number of light and dark force user
No, the presence of dark side users causes imbalance.
Children understand this, how come morons like you can't?
>No, the presence of dark side users causes imbalance.
Ok let's entertain the idea that it causes some imbalance in the force. What are the consequences of it being imbalanced? Bad harvests? Stock market crashes? Sudden female mood swings? Literally nothing changes whether it is imbalanced or not.
Dumb esl poster
Are you fricking moronic, corn syrup slurper?
>didn't even deny it
Relax brown boy
How about the Sith orchestrating a Galactic fricking war and blowing up planets, you dumb Black person. That sure as hell fricks up the entire concept of natural life cycles, the symbiotic relationship between the cosmic and the living force, because a bunch of Black folk got powerful enough to frick it all up, and thus disrupting the balance. You homosexuals are so stupid, it's unreal.
lmao you guys are so deep up George's ass that you eat the nonsensical le imbalance stopped by space jesus slop. As if there were no wars if it weren't for the sith, frick, the war in the OT wasn't even started by the sith, but the harmony guys, causing millions of deaths. How's that for balance, disBlack person?
>As if there were no wars if it weren't for the sith
Correct. Did you watch the movies? There hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic, which means 1000 years of peace.
>the war in the OT wasn't even started by the sith
It literally was. Palpatine took over as a result of multiple orchestrated wars and genocides, and he established an anti-freedom, anti-life fascist dictatorship that had to be brought down.
> but the harmony guys, causing millions of deaths
Ah, you're just trolling now.
>fascist
They're going to explain that Palpatine really did die on the Death Star and that the palpatine in Rise of Skywalker was from parallel universe, thus opening up the inevitable Star Wars Multiverse.
You just know it’ll be a side effect of Filoni’s donut steel using that time machine thing
gigabased
>be Snoke
>show up out of nowhere
>die
>refuse to elaborate further
See you at Disney Land. Bring money.
>Cronal-Blackhole hybrid
>"sorcerers of Rhand"
>imperial cult of The Dark leader, researching the source of the dark, tied into continuity of imperial government structures like the Hands of the Emperor, special weapons projects and archaeology beyond the Outer Rim ect.
>speciality: bilocation, force hallucinations both visual and auditory
They shot Johnson's first draft, it's literally "I hate my dad" personal blog post tier exposition puppetry. It doesn't matter, he's some bald dead guy in a shitty corporate fanfic.
>le le corporate
the prequels were
the sequels are more of a passion project
True. The prequels are dog shit.
George's treatments deserved to be developed, onions facing Abrams and smug goblin Johnson did not, simple as.
>the sequels are more of a passion project
wwwwwwwwww
>Rian has the deek
The Emperor was playing mind-games with Luke for over 20 minutes of screen-time. Vader throwing him over the edge felt justified, not cheap. God I hate Rian Johnson's stupid homosexual guts
>So who the FRICK is Snoke?
You don't want to know.
>go home gamer girl
The Last Jedi could have been so good if it turned out that Snoke was the first (prime) Jedi turned evil. Him and Luke (the last Jedi) would face off and kill each other. Why they didn’t do this I’ll never understand, it was set up in the movie.
>it was set up in the movie
It was set up in a fancy looking mosaic on the floor.