So will they show a guy smashing two infants heads into a rock or will they pussy out? Will the MPAA force them to pussy out? If they don’t show it what’s the point? The book’s legacy is unflinching, unadulterated graphic violence.
So will they show a guy smashing two infants heads into a rock or will they pussy out?
Why do intellectuals cream their pants over vapid, nihilistic violence? This novel literally attempts to say nothing, it's sole point of appeal is the violence and mindless misanthropy.
>violence and mindless misanthropy.
That's human existence for you
whoa that's deep bro
For you
The intellectuals who like the book mainly do so because their headcanon has turned the book into a warning against muh heckin gun violence. In reality Blood Meridian is the closest thing America will ever get to having its own version of the Iliad.
If the book ever manages to get a film adaptation it’ll get the starship troopers treatment. The film would wear that intellectual headcanon on its sleeve.
>In reality Blood Meridian is the closest thing America will ever get to having its own version of the Iliad.
Lmao. Get off McCarthy's dick. Nobody cares about him that much outside of Cinemaphile. If you had to chose an "American Iliad" it'd be something like The Grapes of Wrath or even a fricking movie, not this shit that nobody's heard of. Not that I think there actually is an "American Iliad" in any meaningful sense.
t. doesn’t understand the Iliad but thinks highly of it anyway because it’s the OG of the western canon
Explain to me what you mean by it then, because when I hear someone talking about the [X] Iliad, for me the first critera is that it's something that the people of [X] have generally heard of and know about, or see as significant to their civilisation in some other way.
The Iliad is removed from Blood Meridian in quite a few ways, just as Americans are from Archaic Greekoids(Mycenean Greeks if you subscribe to the theory that the Iliad was passed down for centuries orally), but it’s similar enough to warrant a comparison. I see Blood Meridian as a melodramatic retelling of the reality that was manifest destiny, not dissimilar to the Achaeans expanding eastward into Anatolia. The reasoning for the expansion in both stories are just as absurd and over the top. Homer’s tales were sung in verse by bards, but America is a hyper-literate prose nation, and more specifically a novel nation, so we get Blood Meridian with its rather unique brand of common talk. It is distilled vernacular, which in a way can be interpreted as the purest form of prose. The trek through the desert in chapters four and five are eerily reminiscent to a journey through the underworld. The recurring presence of the gods in Homer also parallels to the presence of religious men(seers) and churches in Blood Meridian. There are so many comparisons, but the most obvious way is the mindless violence. I’ve seen it postulated that the violence sung of in the Iliad acted as a way of staving off post traumatic stress. Blood Meridian is similar in it’s flippancy in regards to violence, though for different purposes. America is a nation obsessed with violence, yes, but we’re obsessed with it in a different way than the Greeks were obsessed with it.
The comparisons of Homer and Blood Meridian are legitimate imo, but the root nations of each story are different from one another to such a degree that the stories are by default going to be radically different.
Also, as for nobody caring about Blood Meridian, nobody gave a rat’s ass about Moby Dick for its first 70 years either. It didn’t gain popularity until the Great War. Melville had been dead for nearly 30 years by the time its popularity peaked.
Interesting. If you're taking the Iliad comparison to mean "foundational myth", the Wild West in general is of course the obvious choice for America, but I don't see why Blood Meridian is somehow the most fitting distillation of the genre. If anything it's more of a cynical rebuttal to it. "Mindless violence" is a dishonest comparison, as if men killing each-other in battle due to the God's squabbling is comparable to psychos skinning babies alive for fun or whatever. There's no journey through the underworld in the Iliad btw.
Ultimately I think calling anything the [X] Iliad is typically a meaningless hype-up, every culture has foundational myths and finding superficial similarities between a book and the oldest recorded myths isn't particularly interesting.
Also admire your optimism in thinking a book might be resurrected to mass-popularity decades from now, given the current trends in reading.
>If you're taking the Iliad comparison to mean "foundational myth", the Wild West in general is of course the obvious choice for America, but I don't see why Blood Meridian is somehow the most fitting distillation of the genre.
99% of westerns are pulpy slop that would at best qualify as genre fiction. Blood Meridian is one of the few works that properly incorporates homage to premodern epics.
>If anything it's more of a cynical rebuttal to it.
Unforgiven is a more genuine rebuttal to it. That film also parallels the Iliad in its own way. McCarthy’s story is a different sort of beast.
>"Mindless violence" is a dishonest comparison, as if men killing each-other in battle due to the God's squabbling is comparable to psychos skinning babies alive for fun or whatever.
I agree the comparisons aren’t perfect, but this book is like a cathedral meant to be observed in its totality from a distance, at least initially. It’s an epic, and you need to treat it like one to get a proper “feel” for it. We may just not be getting the same vibes from the book.
>There's no journey through the underworld in the Iliad btw.
I know, but the Odyssey, the Aeneid, the Divine Comedy, and Paradise Lost all feature one. The former inspired the latter three to a very large degree.
>Ultimately I think calling anything the [X] Iliad is typically a meaningless hype-up, every culture has foundational myths and finding superficial similarities between a book and the oldest recorded myths isn't particularly interesting.
Sure, but “America’s Epic” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it. The Great American Novel is the closest thing you can get to a proper alternative, but Moby Dick still holds the #1 spot there.
>Also admire your optimism in thinking a book might be resurrected to mass-popularity decades from now, given the current trends in reading.
Hey man shit happens :^)
>appeal is the violence and mindless misanthropy.
Imagine having a hopelessly mid IQ brain like this. The worst part about these people is they’re just slightly above average enough to think they should have an opinion, but not intelligent enough to actually understand the things they fecklessly criticize.
>still can't actually articulate why the book has any worth
embarrassing L for the McCarthy dick-riders
>can't actually provide any sort of defense for the book so resorts to calling the other party stupid
many such cases
no intellectual likes this book
they will ruin it but it will be successful regardless because everything is fake and gay
This is a tv board and your not suppose to give away spoilers. We don’t read books here because we’re not homosexuals.
Of course it won't be in there lmao. For some reason text describing a scene is considered way less vulgar than a visual of it. Kids' books like Animorphs and Where the Red Fern Grows describe guts hanging out but that is never ever allowed in adaptations.
Probably won’t show the act of killing babies. My question is whether or not they will show the tree?
>For some reason text describing a scene is considered way less vulgar than a visual of it
real head scratcher there
give him a break, he's a Cormac McCarthy fan
This could only work if it was written and directed by James Franco
The Judge as Vincent D'onofrio
The Kid as Dave Franco
Toadvine as Danny McBride
Jonah needs to be the judge.
>about to brutally murder a defenseless Mexican woman
>she pauses her crying and begging to look at him
>"boy, you sure are fat"
>everyone laughs
>"My therapist is super interesting little dude. Ask me about him."
>"No comprende Engles, senor."
>Rips off scalp
Ebert talked about Blood Meridian a lot. He said at the time the only actor he could think of playing the Judge was Tom Noonan. Really he's too old now but I can't think of anyone else doing it.
He definitely gives off the nonce vibes.
Brendan Fraser is the only man capable of playing the Judge. You know it to be true.
Kane from the WWE could pull it off. Someone suggested Kevin James in one of these threads and it's interesting to say the least
Nobody would want to watch a movie adapted from this. It's Salo-level brutality and sadism. Guess what happened to Pasolini? Exactly. Nobody wants to see this kind of shit depicted on-screen. Only pederasts and rapists would enjoy this movie. Also Cormac McCarthy sucks as a writer. Affected pansy. I'm glad he's dead. Without the Coen Brothers adapting his best novel he would have been forgotten, as he should anyway. That said, NCfOM is literally one of the best films of all time. Only took tens of millions of dollars an an adaptation from two of the best filmmakers of modern times to do it.
Anon, Pasolini was killed by fascists because he was a communist. If Salo played any role in his death, it was the political message, not the violence.
>he would have been forgotten
by illiterates, maybe
Nobody is going to give a shit about McCarthy's autistic works after living memory passes. Many such cases. Sad!
You haven't read a page of his works. But you sure sit high in the saddle there.
Book for edgy teenagers who think they're smarter than they actually are.
Every single black gets called the N-word and every Indian is a bloodthirsty lunatic. It's never going to work.
>He ate the last of the eggs and wiped the plate with the tortilla and ate the tortilla and drank the last of the coffee and wiped his mouth and looked up and thanked her.
Page and paragraph homosexual
Because this is much better right? God I hate fantasycucks.
>thornfydywn the darkest drew his blade against hyrtrmridoplun the white and the pale wizard struck down the black swordsman and reclaimed the gem of frtyosnem the dragon of eternity
>can't defend the prose, pivots to arguing with the voices in his head about things no one was talking about
>Y-you must be a fantasycuck if you don't like McCarthy!!
No I just like real literature. Lets compare:
>They rode on and the sun in the east flushed pale streaks of light and then a deeper run of color like blood seeping up in sudden reaches flaring planewise and where the earth drained up into the sky at the edge of creation the top of the sun rose out of nothing like the head of a great red phallus until it cleared the unseen rim and sat squat and pulsing and malevolent behind them.
This is so fricking bad--nothing more than an attempt to mimic the style of Melville and Faulkner. Comparing the former to the latter two:
>The sea had leeringly kept his finite body up, but drowned the infinite of his soul. Not drowned entirely, though. Rather carried down alive to wondrous depths, where strange shapes of the unwarped primal world glided to and fro before his passive eyes; and the miser-merman, Wisdom, revealed his hoarded heaps; and among the joyous, heartless, ever-juvenile eternities, Pip saw the multitudinous, God-omnipresent, coral insects, that out of the firmament of waters heaved the colossal orbs. He saw God’s foot upon the treadle of the loom, and spoke it; and therefore his shipmates called him mad. So man’s insanity is heaven’s sense; and wandering from all mortal reason, man comes at last to that celestial thought, which, to reason, is absurd and frantic; and weal or woe, feels then uncompromised, indifferent as his God.
>Dewey Dell rises, heaving to her feet. She looks down at the face. It is like a casting of fading bronze upon the pillow, the hands alone still with any semblance of life: a curled, gnarled inertness; a spent yet alert quality from which weariness, exhaustion, travail had not yet departed, as though they doubted even yet the actuality of rest, guarding with horned and penurious alertness the cessation which they know cannot last.
McCarthy is a joke to anyone who actually studies literature, he's a polluter.
>Extremely simplistic prose and descriptions
>Overly verbose and drenched in metaphor
How is McCarthy's writing style even remotely similar to Melville's?
>How is McCarthy's writing style even remotely similar to Melville's?
The literary tradition of that style of prose runs from Melville through Faulkner and into McCarthy. Faulkner was a massive fan of Melville, and McCarthy sucked Faulkner off.
As lamentable as it is to cite him; Harold Bloom wrote an essay about the connections between them stylistically and characterization (and also Shakespeare for some unknowable reason)
Melville is also not verbose.
Blasphemy. McCarthy sucks as a writer. His prose is rambling semi-Hemingway aping Faulkner only without the creative flourish to paint a scene. Dead stupid basic ass. People that eat this shit up are sub-midwits and defending it makes you seem more moronic because you are admitting you can't think complexly and revel in grossness and plainness.
I'm really, *really* curious what you think I said in my posts that somehow implies I like McCarthy or his garbage books.
I've noticed replies like that happening a ton more lately. I'm starting to believe in AI bots posting because this many people can't be going moronic all at once. Always some angry call out post too.
Yeah I don't understand.
This board has slowly been dying and I would genuinely not be surprised if a lot of the traffic is coming from bots now.
my schizo theory is that someone in the writer's guild found this place and spread it to all their friends to influence opinions, because that's the only thing that explains the mass of anons defending hollywood writers
they don't seem like trolls or bots, either
>the mass of anons defending hollywood writers
I only see people poking fun at McCarthy's prose and comparing him to classic American writers
>because that's the only thing that explains the mass of anons defending hollywood writers
It's discord leftists and they're doing it because they identify the writers strike as a progressive issue. It's the same people who spamed Little Mermaid shit and get overtly angry at AI art threads.
he probably just replied to the wrong post, geniuses
I dont see a single post here of anyone saying anything even tangentially related to defending McCarthy in a way that warrants that kind of response, and considering I'm the only person to bring up Faulkner which he's talking about... I think he's just moronic.
The first purpose of any novel is theme and storytelling. If beautiful prose is what you want out of writing you should stick to Nabokov, or start reading poetry.
>he reads for the plot
Plot =/= story
you =/= straight
Poetry isn’t prose, anon.
I ain't one for poetry, ain't one for prose. Ain't one for the scent of a springtime rose. But there is one fact that I do know: I sure get a kick out of that Beavis and Butt-head show.
>the top of the sun rose out of nothing like the head of a great red phallus until it cleared the unseen rim and sat squat and pulsing and malevolent behind them
BENIS :DDDDDD
Anyone who actually studies literature is a dork and an even bigger pseud than the biggest, most pretentious McCarthy fan.
>They rode on and the sun in the east flushed pale streaks of light and then a deeper run of color like blood seeping up in sudden reaches flaring planewise and where the earth drained up into the sky at the edge of creation the top of the sun rose out of nothing like the head of a great red phallus until it cleared the unseen rim and sat squat and pulsing and malevolent behind them.
Reading that is much worse than having Alexander Pope read it in an audio book. Did McCarthy know how to actually write a sentence or was this a stupid stylistic choice?
The book is 10x better read than listened to. It’s a western. Imagine Tommy Lee Jones or Billy Bob Thornton narrating. Hell, anyone with a southern accent will do. The book is heavily reliant on the reader’s imagination, and it’s takes a good 3/4 of a chapter to get your imagination kicked back into gear whenever you pick the book up after not having read it in a few days.
Richard Poe’s audiobook narration for BM is 10/10
>post his actual writing with no commentary
>two morons immediately get butthurt and lash out
wew
This is actually unironically good in context
“Readers Manifesto” is responsible for the Boeing dogshit style now popular in literary fiction. At least the purple prose era could be interesting.
This is my favorite paragraph:
>They saw blackeyed young girls with painted faces smoking little cigars, going arm in arm and eyeing them brazenly. They saw the governor himself erect and formal within his silkmullioned sulky clatter forth from the double doors of the palace courtyard and they saw one day a pack of viciouslooking humans mounted on unshod indian ponies riding half drunk through the streets, bearded, barbarous, clad in the skins of animals stitched up with thews and armed with weapons of every description, revolvers of enormous weight and bowieknives the size of claymores and short twobarreled rifles with bores you could stick your thumbs in and the trappings of their horses fashioned out of human skin and their bridles woven up from human hair and decorated with human teeth and the riders wearing scapulars or necklaces of dried and blackened human ears and the horses rawlooking and wild in the eye and their teeth bared like feral dogs and riding also in the company a number of halfnaked savages reeling in the saddle, dangerous, filthy, brutal, the whole like a visitation from some heathen land where they and others like them fed on human flesh.
>unflinching, unadulterated graphic violence
Gut-wrenching, stomach-churning, soul-crushing, grisly, brutal, genre-defining, bone-chilling, slow burn, wickedly stylish, hair-raising, savage violence
For me, it was Holden's pet shit-eating moron.
Don't entirely understand the message but still like him nonetheless.
Shows how man will always be chained to war and death.
No way this'll adapt to film lmao
also not to be a pseud but the book is about what it isn't about and that's what makes it good.
They will refuse to make the non whites as ugly as the whites and that will steal some of the purity of the book. They will taint the picture with modern sensibilities. They will fail to satisfy my bloodlust.
>Frank Miller’s Cormac McCarthy’s Blood Meridian
>Directed by Zack Snyder
Bait that exists without my knowledge, exists without my consent.
>The book’s legacy is unflinching, unadulterated graphic violence.
Is it though? There were a couple of scenes but I remember mostly walking and talking and the general atmosphere of the book. Feels like a bit of a brainlet take
They won't show it. The director for this movie didn't show this in The Road
Blood Meridian really isn't all that graphic when you think about depicting it in a film medium.
What makes the book so violent is the fact that it's a book. McCarthy can go into rich detail about how fricked up something is. When he's talking about blowing a guys brains out he uses words and descriptions that are grotesque. In a film, it'll just be a blood bag exploding with some chunks in it. Something you've seen a thousand times in John Wick and numerous other action movies. Pic related was in a Spielberg produced HBO show and if they can show that, they can show anything.
The only violence that will probably be removed (or at best, implied) will be the violence against children and infants.
Everything else like the scalping, bludgeoning, raping, etc has been in plenty of movies and shows by now. It's no longer shocking.
You also have to remember that it's going to be a movie which means most of the gangs exploits will probably be cut too which means there will be less violence than the book.
Is the Reverend Green an important character? Im in the beginning of the book..
the only way to adapt it will be to go all in and make it the most horrifically violent media ever produced.. take inspiration from actual Mexican cartel torture vids. McCarthy's work has actually been adapted really well, so I'm optimistic.