>Someday? Someday my dream will come? One night you will wake up and discover it never happened. It's all turned around on you. It never will. Suddenly you are old. Didn't happen, and it never will, because you were never going to do it anyway. You'll push it into memory and then zone out in your barco lounger, being hypnotized by daytime TV for the rest of your life.
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>great fricking character in an absolutely trash movie
can you post more examples like this?
If a character that exists within the movie is great, why don't you think the movie itself is? You won't like every single part of any movie you find good.
>an absolutely trash movie
Prove this without crying about the ending.
It's too on the nose. Especially the way the MC is written. I get it, he's supposed to be weak and whiny and have le heckin transformation, but even with such a clear structure, they go for the most obvious approach and even then it has no real direction. His gay little speech before the car crash makes me cringe.
It's one of those movies that has the right foundation to be great, but it simply had nothing to say.
The ending is actually one of the stronger parts. I really liked Vincent's "tears in the rain" moment.
Mann just didn't take the subject matter themes seriously and to heart. This kind of movie and premise would've been a classic under a more subdued and low-key director who's not known for bombastic, stylistic action. A hitman making a deadend loser reconsider his life is a kino recipe but then you had to cast a ghetto bunny as the lead instead of some Paul Dano scrawny type. Cruise is good but I would've preferred a character actor. Cut out the moronic girl love story and keep the movie low budget and low-key with long car ride scenes where they debate. In Europe, this kind of premise would've been done justice. In America, it has to be dumbed down and distilled with only that speech making the cut somehow.
>His gay little speech
has the same meaning as say, the one in No Country For Old Men when the bowl cut guy decides to kill the main character's wife. Nothing wrong with it, Jamal says what everyone should already know: Vincent is not above the rest of humanity. He just thinks he is.
>It's too on the nose
What qualifies as "just enough on the nose"
>low-key director who's not known for bombastic, stylistic action
That's exactly who Mann is though
his only truly bombastic movie is Heat.
Mann's style is everywhere outside of his combat/gunfight/action scenes, which are always extremely raw.
You're talking out of your ass lmfao
I agree. It's thematically consistent
>That's exactly who Mann is though
>his only truly bombastic movie is Heat.
>Mann's style is everywhere outside of his combat/gunfight/action scenes, which are always extremely raw.
>You're talking out of your ass lmfao
Mann is still style over substance most of the time not just in action scenes and this movie suffered from it. The dialogue was too stylized and choppy and it detracted from making you relate to the characters as they all spoke like caricatures.
>Mann is still style over substance most of the time
Talking out of your ass is still talking out of your ass even if you add "most of the time" to the end of your sentence
bro, miami vice
Style is substance.
>What qualifies as "just enough on the nose"
The newer Safdie brothers films. Nightcrawler...
Actually, most of the "literally me" films got it dialed in pretty well.
nice trips, also
>Safdie brothers
Has anyone watched The King(2019)?
I've heard good things, but haven't gotten around to it.
>timothee
I've avoided this movie because I hate this zoomerhomosexual, but he was quite good in Dune. Maybe I'll watch it
Why do you hate him? He's a good actor. And he's still fairly young, many male character actors weren't nearly as good at it when they were his age.
I liked it. Robert Pattinson as a smarmy frenchman is pretty fun.
How so? and how do you know this?
Forgot to mention that the use of "style over substance" as if this is a talking point in itself is also talking out of your ass
you're a projecting midwit lmfao
>How so? and how do you know this?
The dialogue stand out as the most obvious one. The way characters interact with each other has a lot more nuance in those movies. Also the ones I've listed have a lot more breathing room when it comes to pacing and cinematography. There are fairly long shots where the nothing is said and you can read whats happening on the characters face. It invites you to put the details together yourself instead of spoonfeeding you. Which for a movie with le heckin nihilism themes is definitely the better direction as opposed to all the action scenes.
>nuance
qualify that
>a lot more breathing room when it comes to pacing and cinematography.
wtf does this even mean
>There are fairly long shots where the nothing is said and you can read whats happening on the characters face. It invites you to put the details together yourself instead of spoonfeeding you.
Why is this necessarily good or bad
>over the top
explain how any of those are over the top and/or bad for that reason
a weird unnatural quickness
Why are any of those qualities necessarily bad?
for him they are and that's about it
why are they considered bad, that's a different matter
lost of story/plot
yeah that sounds like it is not based in objectivity
you see, objectively, michael mann is the MANN
if you need gifs to say what you want to say, of what worth are your sayings
was going to say COOL IT SLICK but thought a gif was funnier
now if you keep posting gifs, how do you expect to keep this... conversation
a guy told me one time, "dont let yourself get attached to a shitpost you're not willing to walk out on in 3 previous replies if you feel the sneed around the corner"
did you join the IRC? became a janny? no
i make one off-topic shitpost and you report it
>lost of story/plot
That doesn't matter tho
So there's no actually reason.
Not an argument.
I win.
>qualify that
nuance
noun
Synonyms of nuance
1
: a subtle distinction or variation
2
: a subtle quality : nicety
3
: sensibility to, awareness of, or ability to express delicate shadings (as of meaning, feeling, or value)
>wtf does this even mean
pace
noun
Synonyms of pace
1
a
: rate of movement
the runner's pace
especially : an established rate of locomotion
b
: rate of progress
specifically : parallel rate of growth or development
c
: an example to be emulated
specifically : first place in a competition
three strokes off the pace —
Time
d(1)
: rate of performance or delivery : tempo
a steady pace
on pace to set a record
especially : speed
serves with great pace
a pace bowler in cricket
(2)
: rhythmic animation
2
: a manner of walking : tread
3
a
: step sense 2a(1)
b
: any of various units of distance based on the length of a human step
4
a
paces plural : an exhibition or test of skills or capacities
b
: gait
especially : a fast 2-beat gait (as of the horse) in which the legs move in lateral pairs and support the animal alternately on the right and left legs
cinematography
noun
: the art or science of motion-picture photography
>Why is this necessarily good or bad
because I said so
style over substance is that shitty over the top
>miami vice, public enemies and blackhat
dont know what happened to michael mann but heat doesnt have that
collateral kind of has that
I like the ending. Foxx takes Cruise's advice and finds his balls. Cruise effectively saves him.
You're trash.
>hey Jamal, do ya like jazz? I bet you do
>I bet the jungle rhythms appeal to your primitive urges
>take me to see some jazz
it was uncalled for
I never had a dream and life disappointed me anyway
My only desire now is to be obliterated to non existence
I pursued my dream Tom but this whole world is a scam and I don’t believe you mentioned that
Funny thing you only get popular if the slavemasters can use you. Otherwise you’re a toy.
Exactly which is why i became disillusioned in my dream of making movies
getting into the film industry is moronic. get into another actually creative field.
>another actually creative field
Like what?
Novels or even comics. I might be on Cinemaphile but rest assured film is the least creative medium there is. Mediums that are of a sole creative voice are always better than multi-million slop. Movies are the midwit's medium.
comics are horrible. western comics are straight up dying as we speak
doesn't change the artistic validity of the medium.a re you going into creative mediums for the money and attention? frick off and don't bother then. you just couldn't hack sports or anything else and latched on to the least likely avenue to get you that attention and money you want. like a woman..
>no argument
>lmfao like it's 2014
frick off
>gets called out
>instantly starts coping
You'd have to present an argument to begin with for anyone to controvert it, midwit.
>western comics
>artistic validity
LMAO ok now i know you're trolling
by your logic no medium has artistic validity if it's going through a rough patch commercially?
>Someday? Someday my dream will come? One night you will wake up and discover it never happened. It's all turned around on you. It never will. Suddenly you are old. Didn't happen, and it never will, because you were never going to do it anyway. You'll push it into memory and then zone out in your gamer chair, being hypnotized by Cinemaphile shitposts for the rest of your life. All it ever took was closing the tab and walking away from the screen. Don't talk to me about normalgayging.
I thought it was just ok
Jack from MacGyver is doing a good job in this movie
Hey can one of you guys go bag a coyote and set it loose on the road right when we are about to drive pass the intersection? don't tell tom about it thanks
>getting filtered by based Collateral
OH NO NO NO NO
Mann's best film is Ferrari, starring Sarah Gadon.