The fact that they could bring one of the major characters back with almost no explanation while somehow maintaining tension is actually really impressive. Most of the time resurrection leads to the audience not caring about character deaths.
If you're not white then you know where the door is.
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I'm whiter than you albeit
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>albeit
ok esl
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It's a meme, you dip
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What's with that swarthy fellow?
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Idk he's trying to say I'm not white
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is this that schizoid from that /soc/ rate thread? lol
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Yes, I'm going ahead with my plan to post my face everytime someone tells me to "post hand" or "nose". Hopefully it will discourage people from using these sordid tactics.
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It’s a bad one and you should feel bad and stop using it.
He’s mysterious and has supernatural abilities, that’s explanation enough for it not to ruin the story. If boromir randomly came back to life that would be stupid.
LoTR has cool mythology but almost no stake because Yahweh is literally watching over all of them and nudging things so they would win. Even if Sauron does win, there is nothing stopping Big G from pulling another Númenor on his ass.
The fact that you mention Numenor sort of disproves your point. As I mentioned earlier, Sauron was brought back from the dead not once, but twice. The first time was when Numenor sank. He came back but had lost his ability to appear fair or beautiful. The second time was after the Last Alliance of Men and Elves when the ring was lost, and eventually eventually his spirit was cast out of Dol Guldur by the White Council.
If Sauron could twice return, what then could prevent Gandalf, a fellow maiar from returning, even without Eru’s help?
Once the one ring was forged Sauron was effectively immortal. Regardless of how many times he was physically killed his spirit would always linger in middle earth and eventually grow strong enough to be dangerous.
Sauron had no corporeal form during the War of the Ring. He existed as a powerful and malevolent shade or evil spirit, manifesting himself in various ways, which is why he reached out and nearly grabbed Frodo at Emyn Muil when Frodo put the ring on. His greatest power was in the ring itself. He could not be slain in any form except through the unmaking of the ring itself.
Gandalf is nowhere near as powerful as Sauron and regardless, Gandalf is not evil so he would never go against the will of eru and the valar
>Gandalf is not evil so he would never go against the will of eru and the valar
Not the point. He wasn’t as powerful as Sauron but as a maiar he could still have been given a new body through the Halls of Mandos or through some other means. That he was brought back by Eru isn’t some easy cop out.
Yes we could make the tri-tower and it will launch orcs flying on dragons and they need Gandalfs evil twin to make a new ring of power or they will all be killed by the tri tower.
This. Usually people who know the lore and/or the books, understand even though Gandalf himself literally explained that he was sent back because he still had work to do. That's the film, non-dork explanation. The full explanation is that Gandalf is a Maiar, specially one of the five Istari that were sent by the Valar for the sole purpose of helping men against Sauron. He was sent back by Eru Ilúvatar (aka God) because he still had to finish his task but was given Sarumon's role as the head Istari upon the former's betrayal, hence why he's "the White" like Sarumon used to be. Fun fact, a Balrog is a former Maiar that was corrupted by Melkor and took on that form. Gandalf's battle is even more epic when you realize he's fighting a literal evil, corrupted version of himself.
This is actually the entire thesis of lotr: an explanation for the paradox of evil.
Tolkien sees God and His creation as a great choir. Morgoth sang a sour note to try to ruin the song. If God tells him to shut up and starts the song anew, he lets evil win. Instead he takes that off-key note and weaves it into a recurring motif in the song in such a way that it's actually more beautiful than before.
He wrote all of this before even writing the hobbit.
>Ah yes, Gandalf...Gandalf the Grey...That's what they used to call me... >That's what Merry and Pippin used to call me 2 hours ago when I saw them before I saw you three
He met them before Merry and Pippin. He ran into Merry and Pippin when he broke away from the march to Helm's Deep to seek help from Treebeard. I just read that part like 30 minutes ago.
If this movie was released today and if the reason for Gandalf coming back was explained as “literal God Himself sending him back” you all would hate it. And don’t be a contrarian by replying to this comment by saying “ACHUAKKLY IT WOULD BE SOOO RELIGIOUS” because you can’t entertain this fantasy AND believe in Christ.
You fricking non-book morons. Gandalf is not a man. He is not doomed to die like men. Elves can come back to Middle Earth when they are slain in battle, but Gandalf is a maiar, a freaking demigod that’s more powerful than any elf including Galadriel.
He is explicitly described as destroyed beyond time and space. God reformed him because he was obliterated by evil.
God plays with loaded dice in lotr, and Gandalf is one of those dice. That’s why everything lined up to destroy Smaug before Sauron was ready, Gandalf ended up in the right spot to kill the Balrog before Gondor was seized even with Gandalf trying really really hard to make sure he avoided Moria. Then Gandalf ended up being able to save Faramir because Rohan’s charge pulled the witchking away to his Doom and into the reach of Eowyns sword breaking the curse teathering the witchking to his body.
If Gandalf hadn’t been freed up to save Farimir then Denethor and Aragorn would have ended up in a civil war destroying the free people. Conveniently Eowyn did turn up and did break her arm slaying the witch king ending up cared for by Faramir , uniting Rhohan and Gondor and peacefully transitioning power to Aragorn.
Eru also actively uses Gollum as his other tool throughout, that’s why he keeps getting given mercy to the very end until he breaks his oath he swore over the ring and bites Frodos finger off jumping into lace just like he promised
>He is explicitly described as destroyed beyond time and space. God reformed him because he was obliterated by evil.
He was slain, he wasn’t utterly annihilated. What exactly happened after he died is a mystery but he was brought back naked upon the exact same spot where he had fallen, which is certainly different from what happens with elves in the Halls of Mandos but nowhere does it say or even imply that he was anything more than physically dead.
>walks all the way to the gap of rohan >blocked by crows >walk all the way to the top of the mountain >blocked by snow >walk all the way to moria >way back gets blocked by an octopus
Gandalf was the worst guide ever
Gandalf never died, was just gravely wounded. They even hint at this in The Hobbit, where he says that all great stories deserve embelishment, hence why he claims that he fought from mountain peak to the deepest depths. Obviously he didn't climb a fricking mountain whilst fighting the Balrog, nor did he really die when he said that life left him - he merely lost conciousness and regained it later.
Of course simpletons on here don't understand this.
oops, I'm sorry. I meant: >oh so only gandalf is capable of lying >makes sense >thanks for bestowing your great LOTR knowledge on me mister angry sperg
oops, I'm sorry. I meant: >oh so only gandalf is capable of lying >makes sense >thanks for bestowing your great LOTR knowledge on me mister angry sperg
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hi Gandy!
No that's his brother Mandalf
A WHOLE NEW GANDALF!!!!!!
The fact that they could bring one of the major characters back with almost no explanation while somehow maintaining tension is actually really impressive. Most of the time resurrection leads to the audience not caring about character deaths.
Nostalgia goggles
Yeah, it's exactly the same as Starslop. Tolkien was a hack!
His wizard points rolled over and the dude cash in on the free 1 up get got
>The fact that they could
>they
JRR Tolkien was one person
What do you mean no explanation?
God sent him back.
>God dun diddit
Works for apologists, so why not!
Gandalf is literally a Maiar (like an angel) and Eru (God) sent him back.
Yeah okay but that's stupid. It's like Carrie Fischer flying through space.
If you're not white then you know where the door is.
I'm whiter than you albeit
>albeit
ok esl
It's a meme, you dip
What's with that swarthy fellow?
Idk he's trying to say I'm not white
is this that schizoid from that /soc/ rate thread? lol
Yes, I'm going ahead with my plan to post my face everytime someone tells me to "post hand" or "nose". Hopefully it will discourage people from using these sordid tactics.
It’s a bad one and you should feel bad and stop using it.
Why doesn't Eru just delete Sauron?
Because evil is necessary for human development.
why is human development important to god?
Are you a moron?
God should just make humans developed so she (thats right) doesn't need to have Sauron do all the dirty work
>humans should be robots
Do you knitted anything about the war in heaven?
god is losing that war, too old and weak i'm afraid
>knitted
Wtf
*know
why doesn't eru just give humans their development instead of doing so with evil and suffering?
eru must not be very smart
He’s mysterious and has supernatural abilities, that’s explanation enough for it not to ruin the story. If boromir randomly came back to life that would be stupid.
They killed Boromir in the Fellowship. Also Theodred had also died earlier in the Two Towers.
>They killed Boromir in the Fellowship.
A side character
>Also Theodred had also died earlier in the Two Towers.
Literally 5 sec screentime
Posts like these is why we need geo location flags on this board. So we can filter everyone we have no interest in taking to
They dedicate a solid 2 and a half minutes of the film depicting and explaining what happened
LoTR has cool mythology but almost no stake because Yahweh is literally watching over all of them and nudging things so they would win. Even if Sauron does win, there is nothing stopping Big G from pulling another Númenor on his ass.
The fact that you mention Numenor sort of disproves your point. As I mentioned earlier, Sauron was brought back from the dead not once, but twice. The first time was when Numenor sank. He came back but had lost his ability to appear fair or beautiful. The second time was after the Last Alliance of Men and Elves when the ring was lost, and eventually eventually his spirit was cast out of Dol Guldur by the White Council.
If Sauron could twice return, what then could prevent Gandalf, a fellow maiar from returning, even without Eru’s help?
Once the one ring was forged Sauron was effectively immortal. Regardless of how many times he was physically killed his spirit would always linger in middle earth and eventually grow strong enough to be dangerous.
Sauron had no corporeal form during the War of the Ring. He existed as a powerful and malevolent shade or evil spirit, manifesting himself in various ways, which is why he reached out and nearly grabbed Frodo at Emyn Muil when Frodo put the ring on. His greatest power was in the ring itself. He could not be slain in any form except through the unmaking of the ring itself.
>Gandalf is not evil so he would never go against the will of eru and the valar
Not the point. He wasn’t as powerful as Sauron but as a maiar he could still have been given a new body through the Halls of Mandos or through some other means. That he was brought back by Eru isn’t some easy cop out.
Mandos? the hands of fate?
Gandalf is nowhere near as powerful as Sauron and regardless, Gandalf is not evil so he would never go against the will of eru and the valar
Yes we could make the tri-tower and it will launch orcs flying on dragons and they need Gandalfs evil twin to make a new ring of power or they will all be killed by the tri tower.
So Bruce Lee was a weak b***h who could only do 10 push ups?
yes.
>no explanation
Read the books, tard.
>long hair
>dress
Trandalf.
Grey > White
They explain how he returned, he was resurrected by his God because he still had work to do.
This. Usually people who know the lore and/or the books, understand even though Gandalf himself literally explained that he was sent back because he still had work to do. That's the film, non-dork explanation. The full explanation is that Gandalf is a Maiar, specially one of the five Istari that were sent by the Valar for the sole purpose of helping men against Sauron. He was sent back by Eru Ilúvatar (aka God) because he still had to finish his task but was given Sarumon's role as the head Istari upon the former's betrayal, hence why he's "the White" like Sarumon used to be. Fun fact, a Balrog is a former Maiar that was corrupted by Melkor and took on that form. Gandalf's battle is even more epic when you realize he's fighting a literal evil, corrupted version of himself.
why didn't god just frick up sauron then?
SH-SHUT UP
why didn't the eagles fly the ring to mordor?
This is actually the entire thesis of lotr: an explanation for the paradox of evil.
Tolkien sees God and His creation as a great choir. Morgoth sang a sour note to try to ruin the song. If God tells him to shut up and starts the song anew, he lets evil win. Instead he takes that off-key note and weaves it into a recurring motif in the song in such a way that it's actually more beautiful than before.
He wrote all of this before even writing the hobbit.
>If God tells him to shut up and starts the song anew, he lets evil win
>if I kill my enemies, they win
ah the Canadian school of writing
It's more like Morgoth threw a spear at Eru and Eru caught it, planted it into the ground and turned it into a tree.
That’s not even remotely how it worked. Wtf fanfic zoomer “5 minute reads” trash are you getting this shit from?
god works in mysterious ways
>Ah yes, Gandalf...Gandalf the Grey...That's what they used to call me...
>That's what Merry and Pippin used to call me 2 hours ago when I saw them before I saw you three
He met them before Merry and Pippin. He ran into Merry and Pippin when he broke away from the march to Helm's Deep to seek help from Treebeard. I just read that part like 30 minutes ago.
Galdalf smokin' the wrong pipe, yo.
I really really like this image
Do you mind if I save it?
Sorry, only got one copy. Afraid I gotta say no.
>oh this guy died?
>let’s just undo all that with zero consequences
christcuck writing
It’s Odin
>falls down into a chasm
>somehow ends up on top of the mountain
the frick?
Sauron came back not once but twice so why shouldn’t Gandalf?
Exactly. Tolkien and all genre fiction is sloppa
If this movie was released today and if the reason for Gandalf coming back was explained as “literal God Himself sending him back” you all would hate it. And don’t be a contrarian by replying to this comment by saying “ACHUAKKLY IT WOULD BE SOOO RELIGIOUS” because you can’t entertain this fantasy AND believe in Christ.
You fricking non-book morons. Gandalf is not a man. He is not doomed to die like men. Elves can come back to Middle Earth when they are slain in battle, but Gandalf is a maiar, a freaking demigod that’s more powerful than any elf including Galadriel.
He is explicitly described as destroyed beyond time and space. God reformed him because he was obliterated by evil.
God plays with loaded dice in lotr, and Gandalf is one of those dice. That’s why everything lined up to destroy Smaug before Sauron was ready, Gandalf ended up in the right spot to kill the Balrog before Gondor was seized even with Gandalf trying really really hard to make sure he avoided Moria. Then Gandalf ended up being able to save Faramir because Rohan’s charge pulled the witchking away to his Doom and into the reach of Eowyns sword breaking the curse teathering the witchking to his body.
If Gandalf hadn’t been freed up to save Farimir then Denethor and Aragorn would have ended up in a civil war destroying the free people. Conveniently Eowyn did turn up and did break her arm slaying the witch king ending up cared for by Faramir , uniting Rhohan and Gondor and peacefully transitioning power to Aragorn.
Eru also actively uses Gollum as his other tool throughout, that’s why he keeps getting given mercy to the very end until he breaks his oath he swore over the ring and bites Frodos finger off jumping into lace just like he promised
>is totally cool with people fricking up his designs
>throws a shitfit whenever someone breaks an oath
Eru is autistic as frick.
Feanor
The ghost army
Gollum
But given the nature of reality I think it’s more like making a promise to Eru that it will happen and willing it into existence
>He is explicitly described as destroyed beyond time and space. God reformed him because he was obliterated by evil.
He was slain, he wasn’t utterly annihilated. What exactly happened after he died is a mystery but he was brought back naked upon the exact same spot where he had fallen, which is certainly different from what happens with elves in the Halls of Mandos but nowhere does it say or even imply that he was anything more than physically dead.
Pippin's sword*
the god of the universe sent him back, so at least there is an explanation for it. doesn't matter if you don't like it.
It also doesn't matter if YOU like it, Poncho.
>Gandalf: So Sauron'sman what's the plan to thwart Sauron's plan?
You have to be shitting me
Read a book pleb
He should've disintegrated once the ring was destroyed because he fulfilled his purpose and that he was actually still dead the entire time.
lotr universe is basically the old testament but gayer. tolkien is such a fricking hack it's unreal
finish the books already you fat frick
>walks all the way to the gap of rohan
>blocked by crows
>walk all the way to the top of the mountain
>blocked by snow
>walk all the way to moria
>way back gets blocked by an octopus
Gandalf was the worst guide ever
Gandalf never died, was just gravely wounded. They even hint at this in The Hobbit, where he says that all great stories deserve embelishment, hence why he claims that he fought from mountain peak to the deepest depths. Obviously he didn't climb a fricking mountain whilst fighting the Balrog, nor did he really die when he said that life left him - he merely lost conciousness and regained it later.
Of course simpletons on here don't understand this.
so the entire of the lord of the rings is an embellished story and it's really just about returning a fake gold ring to a israeliteellery store?
Is the lord of the rings told through the perspective of gandalf? no? shut the frick up then.
oh so only gandalf is capable of lying
makes sense
thanks for bestowing your great LOTR knowledge on me mister angry sperg
>WWAAAH MY JOKE WASN'T FUNNY
oops, I'm sorry. I meant:
>oh so only gandalf is capable of lying
>makes sense
>thanks for bestowing your great LOTR knowledge on me mister angry sperg
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Gandalf the white supremacist