i can alsobash viv for making heaven characters drop the f bomb
the absence of God or Jesus
implying people can escape hell
implying we should be rooting for demons
heaven is le bad
i could go on.
Urdak was a really cool vision of Space Heaven in Doom Eternal. Everything was cross or halo shaped, even the spaceships. Too bad the Makyrs were evil. :'(
This kind of reminds when I was a cross to put in my place. I ended up buying a cross with Jesus in the front as if he's blessing you. I didn't think too much about it
Later my mom saw it, and commented that even as a kid I never liked Jesus nailed to the cross.
>Something is seriously wrong with Viv's depiction of Heaven. >Why would heaven need a cross, death didn't need to be defeated there, it needed to be defeated on earth
The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.
crosses are a mortal invention, why would heaven have those?
Because Jesus (God) sanctified it.
That being said, Angels have both humanoid forms and thrones, living creatures, and flaming serpents.
>The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.
Absolute moron, Christianity invented the modern concept of heaven and hell, israelites didn't even believe in hell to begin with
NTA, and while you're right, I think perhaps it's (whether intentionally or not) superficially Christian but more substantially Gnostic (unsure about israeli). But if you were to ask how is it substantially gnostic, I'm not actually sure (so I'm not committed to this view), like you kinda got the vibe from having these alternative takes on the Genesis narrative, but there's none of the theology that could constitute any gnostic sect that I'm familiar with. Actually, if I reeeeeally had to choose, it'd be some sort of mundane, grotesque pre-Christian pagan view of spiritual beings and the afterlife if anything.
the cross as as symbol for christianity actually took a few hundred years to become the definitive one anyways
early christians used the fish symbol or the initials XP (greek letters chi and ro, short for christos or christ)
that doesnt necessarily mean that there would be no crosses in heaven, just that no crosses in heaven could be justified easily
nor would we have any reason to assume they would need any symbol at all, since the place is older than any civilization and would see the modern use of the cross as taking up only a fraction of all time and not particularly noteworthy
just one big one really is all it needs. im fine with the other stylized buildings. i dont know why they couldnt have a cross on the town hall or wherever the court is.
its simple really. people dont like jesus these days. the fact we get cartoons about anti bible related things, and now just straight up glorifying satanism solidifies that.
I fricking hate LE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS memes for not understanding there are more types of angels than the wheels and seraphim. Like theres one that has three faces with a lion, bull and human on one head but they don't ever show that shit. Instead its always eyes on wheels or multiple wings or some shit.
It's just why b***h about replacing standardized angel designs with a new standardized angel design for the sense of being "biblically accurate" forgetting that angels took the guise of men at multiple points. It always reeks of pseudo intellectualism
first off they were shepherds in a field, the magi were guided by a star not an angel. Second off they were startled by a bright fricking light that accompanied an angel in the dead of fricking night only to have an otherworldly being approach them and then a multitude of them appear before them. be they freaky deaky shit or humanoid you'd still be wigged out. After all people are afraid of ghosts despite them having a humanoid appearance are they not?
again, bulls, lion and wings are mortie shit, it's not heavencore
This feels like heavenly host is seething openly about "HOW DARE THE NINGEN DRAW THIS SHIT"
Early Christianity symbol was Ichthys, Cross was adopted my later
Bulls are peak heavencore, their horns have been included on the middle-eastern divinities forever. >Horned six-winged deity
Yahweh was associated with bulls since the very start. In fact the story of the golden calf might be a mangled memory of him being worshiped under a guise of a gold bull.
>The 2 men that were with Lot at Sodom - Genesis 19:1-3. >Right before that, those 2 angels also appear as men along with the pre-incarnate Logos.
Also, Joshua meets the Captain of The Heavenly Host, that was also as a man (although, possibly also the pre-incarnate Logos). There are indeed a few examples of angels appearing as men.
The biblical meme was cool 10 years ago when normalgays were baffled by the concept but now it's just gay and moronic since they ran it into the ground.
You know I have this weird idea that atheism would be less of an annoying meme/common in this country if people were shown the monster-angels as kids and told "this is what the prophet jebediah saw as it told him not to piss his tunic in 3000 BC" instead of My Buddy Jesus riding in the presidential limo with George Bush and Bill Clinton as we bombed another middle eastern country.
Your Sunday school teacher was incompetent doesn't mean they all are
But you're right, politics has no place in children's education, especially evil politics of Zionist neocons
Because the wheels are the coolest, anon. Multiple animal faces are weird but they still feel more earthly and modern people don't feel as much of a connection with those animals.
Provide me with a bible passage describing heavenly host as a dudes with wings. I dare you. There are angels indistinguishable from humans and there ones in all sort of crazy shapes in there. "Classic" angels are not.
Why are you argue like a Protestant now? Therefore, the presence of the wings is to symbolize status as a divine messenger (in Greek “Evangelos”, from where the word “Angel” is derived).
Winged angels in art are a wink to the audience (this guy is an angel), not something that is within the narrative itself. You think men of Sodom wouldn't be at least a little bit surprised if the two angels sent there had fricking feathery wings sticking out of them. When you ignore the text to suit your agenda you no longer use the bible as anything more than ventriloquist's dummy.
biblically accurate is kind of a misnomer since the passage in which the seraphim are described is one in which Ezekiel is high as frick and communicating with god. The highest ranking angel is Metatron who is definitely an ascended human.
Why would an ascended human have the name of the Lord in him? Metatron is actually a very, very curious case. He's also particularly talmudic in origin; Christians would point to the relevant biblical passages (which don't mention such a name) usually as evidence of the 2nd Person of the Trinity, but obv israelites (and Muslims) can't admit to such, so they have their own theology on it. But it's quite strange, and none of the talmudic writings I've read seem to suggest "ascended human".
Huh, guess that escaped my attention. I don't recall the talmudic commentators ever mentioning that though, guess that means not even they took that seriously? But thanks for the mention anyways, anon!
It was considered part of "two powers in heaven" current during the second temple era and deemed heretical. It's likely that the idea influenced later development of christianity with Enoch replaced by Jesus. Similarily some 1 century israelites believed that Melchizedek was Logos, view that was absorbed into Jesus as well.
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yeaaaaaa I'm not seeing that sort of connection between Enoch and Jesus being something causal.
>I'd like a retelling of genesis but from Lucifer's perspective
How original >And theirs something shady going on with heaven and angles!
Daring today, aren't we
people need a place to set their stuff, lay down in their comfy beds.
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you would have no corporeal form, you wouldn't use that stuff
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yes you would.
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No you wouldn't. Heaven being just another place where humans walk around and live in apartments is just as silly as le angels say frick
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people need to take naps in heaven though. i wanna take a nap when i go to heaven.
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You are moronic
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no i am not.
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was the inciting incident for this thread you watching the show and its version of heaven not matching the one you drew? Your art's cool but not every depiction of heaven needs to align with the lore you constructed in your head.
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i'm more disturbed because this is what gen-alpha's equivalent of south park will be.
remember when 9 year olds in the 2000s were cool when they hung out with their friends watching south park, well now 9 year olds are going to be hanging out watching habbo hotel on mum's ipad
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>habbo hotel
Such great times as closing the pool because of aids will never be had again.
i never went to church so my first exposure to heaven was newspaper comics and i still imagine it as a cluster of floating clouds where the deceased basically just stand around
That's more or less what most people think about. Religious education was always pretty bad and bible itself is rather vague on the whole afterlife thing. Old testament essentially doesn't mention it outside of rare reference to shady underworls or possibly being taken God's abode while still alive. Early christians worked their assess off putting together idea of heaven and hell.
I can't find it but there's a part in My Immortal where the author for one instance spells out or censors the word "cross." She said she'll never say it because she's a vampire, despite already typing it out multiple times in her clothing descriptions.
>And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Only fragment if the now lost "Preachings of Peter" talks about his death in distant past as well.
>*Charlie opens bedroom door* >*Pulls string tied to the doorknob + the switch of a radio* >*What can only be described as '1930s frick music' starts playing* >PicRel.
Okay, so reception of this show has been very iffy from what I've seen, so I decided to finally watch it for myself. I just recently finished the pilot and oh my goodness. It's perfect. I'm trying but I can't name one wrong thing with this. Lovable characters with stellar acting. Brilliant score and musical numbers, which I can confidently say as a big musical guy. The concept in general is genuinely interesting. The animation, especially during action and musical scenes, is insane.
Burning hell ruled by demons is in no way biblical anyway. Where did Paul got attacked by angel of satan? In HEAVEN. Where is the spiritual wickedness? IN HIGH PLACES.
No depiction of heaven has ever featured giant crosses you schizo. Jesus living in a big cruxifix is moronic, like Darth Vader living on a lava planet.
Christians having the cross as their symbol is moronic to begin with. Imagine if your parents were shot dead by a burglar, and in honor of their death you put up a gun on their gravestone "Let's all remember this gun that killed my parents. Because guns represent my parents, it's the gun they were all about"
The crucifixation was all part of the plan to deliver salvation to all those truly willing to accept it through repentance. The cross represents the victory over sin and death, the resurrection of Christ Himself after the harrowing of Hades.
Unrelated to Hazbin Hotel but has anyone else ever thought about how if Heaven exists and you end up actually getting there after death, then that means that you and your consciousness will exist for the infinity of eternity, and how that actually sounds fricking terrifying?
It is less scary if you realize it doesn't even make sense. Do you have free will in heaven? If yes then you and everyone else will end up falling on an infinite timeline. If no then you aren't in heaven, puppet in your likeness is.
You'll be eternally desiring God, and God in His infinity will eternally satisfy your desire to know Him.
It is less scary if you realize it doesn't even make sense. Do you have free will in heaven? If yes then you and everyone else will end up falling on an infinite timeline. If no then you aren't in heaven, puppet in your likeness is.
The more free the will, the more it is correctly directed towards what is and ought to be desirable for the person. If someone is in Heaven, he'll be able to infallibly desire the most desirable of all, God. There won't be anything to misdirect his intention of the Good anymore.
>take stuff from Christian mythology >remove Christ and the cross because it might hurt non Christians feelings >didn't even have to make it based on Christian ideology in the first place since the creator hates Christianity
What is even the point of the series? Why do redditors hate Christians so much yet they steal from their culture so much?
>Christianity spreads most readily in a culture that is somewhat like-minded on foundational principles >this means it was stolen somehow
Yall Black folk need to give it a rest with the post hoc fallacy
>Jesus dying somehow retroactively made hellenic philosophy emerged out of paganism right
Are you sure it had nothing to do with christianity being most popular in its infancy among deeply hellenised diaspora? Hell, when Paul and gospel writers talk about "scripture" they mean septuagint not the hebrew original.
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>deeply hellenized
Yeah they were further removed from the Babylonian cult that had supplanted Yahwism among the Pharisees >Hebrew original
If you have reason to believe it differs significantly from the Septuagint, I'd like to know where and how
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>Babylonian cult that had supplanted Yahwism
Now that's a cope. Second temple judaism was fake and gay but greek mystery cults were 100% God aprooved. >If you have reason to believe it differs significantly from the Septuagint, I'd like to know where and how
For one is in you know. Greek. As in it's in completly different language among people with different customs and values. Hellenised israelites often viewed things like kosher dietary laws and circumcision as bourden unlike their kin back in judea. Pauline christianity was for them a guilt free way to become gentiles.
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>Second temple judaism was fake and gay
Yes, and more pertinently to my point, it was (and is) a despicable supremacist domination strategy, which prioritized material gain over universal principles of truth and justice, and then tortured the scriptures to mean what they want. >but greek mystery cults were 100% God aprooved.
No, but they had a culture of seeking truth for its own sake (they called it "philosophy") and so they were receptive to the truth when it was told to them, even though it came from le foreign country.
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Isaiah 7:14 in hebrew doesn't mention a virgin. Prophecy only makes sense in greek.
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That “prophecy” was always referring to current events, specifically Israel and Aram getting their clocks cleaned by Assyria in less time than it would take for a child to go from conception to solid food.
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You mean in the Masoretic text? The oldest copy of which dates to 1000 years after Christ? Forgive me if I suspect some minor linguistic tinkering in the interim. I'm going with the Septuagint on this one.
Maybe most of their natural theology, but "most" in an unqualified sense makes no sense. For example, soteriologically speaking, the dominant Christian view of universalism being false is against platonism. In fact, some of more sophisticated universalists of today (who are heretics in the EO and RC traditions) appeal to such pagan platonism (e.g., Plotinus on the individual intellect being free of the guilt of the evil deeds performed by the embodied human being) to justify their views. That's also not getting into salvation being of the intellect (platonism, henosis) vs of the entire human being, including both the material and immateral aspects (Christian, theosis)
Real problem is the heaven is a fricking modern city that are known to be soulless depressing hellholes and not some psysics defying collection of interlaping wonderous planes
Why would heaven need a cross, death didn't need to be defeated there, it needed to be defeated on earth
Because Jesus lives there and it looks cool.
you’re a fricking moron
you can easily shit on viv for plenty of other things, this is just stupid
i can alsobash viv for making heaven characters drop the f bomb
the absence of God or Jesus
implying people can escape hell
implying we should be rooting for demons
heaven is le bad
i could go on.
So in other words, you're not the target audience for her show yet watch it anyway
Praise Jesus
Urdak was a really cool vision of Space Heaven in Doom Eternal. Everything was cross or halo shaped, even the spaceships. Too bad the Makyrs were evil. :'(
based
If I had been crucified once I wouldn't want to keep being reminded of it every day, that shit hurt.
This kind of reminds when I was a cross to put in my place. I ended up buying a cross with Jesus in the front as if he's blessing you. I didn't think too much about it
Later my mom saw it, and commented that even as a kid I never liked Jesus nailed to the cross.
fpbp, this anon gets it
also this is just an abrahamic heaven in general it seems, something that the three different branches can find some commonality with
I thought in the israeli tradition the soul returns to god.
Neat
>Something is seriously wrong with Viv's depiction of Heaven.
>Why would heaven need a cross, death didn't need to be defeated there, it needed to be defeated on earth
The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.
Because Jesus (God) sanctified it.
That being said, Angels have both humanoid forms and thrones, living creatures, and flaming serpents.
>Judaism and Gnosticism
Blegh! I rebuke thee!
>The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.
Absolute moron, Christianity invented the modern concept of heaven and hell, israelites didn't even believe in hell to begin with
What is the "A place in the world to come" and "Genhhena (hell that Jesus is suffered in)"?
No answer, as expected. Fact backed, well sourced statements always send the servants of satan skittering back to the shadows.
Our modern concepts of "heaven" or "hell" owe more to pagan Greek philosophy than either Christianity or Judaism.
True
Why am I getting Warhammer 40k vibes?
Because Warhammer 40k was inspired by the Bible? Heck, the Emperor of Mankind is literally Jesus according to the early Lore.
These 9 classes of angels is cannon to at least Catholic angelology
>The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.
Saint Peter was right there at the gates.
NTA, and while you're right, I think perhaps it's (whether intentionally or not) superficially Christian but more substantially Gnostic (unsure about israeli). But if you were to ask how is it substantially gnostic, I'm not actually sure (so I'm not committed to this view), like you kinda got the vibe from having these alternative takes on the Genesis narrative, but there's none of the theology that could constitute any gnostic sect that I'm familiar with. Actually, if I reeeeeally had to choose, it'd be some sort of mundane, grotesque pre-Christian pagan view of spiritual beings and the afterlife if anything.
God loves Crosses.
Yep
the cross as as symbol for christianity actually took a few hundred years to become the definitive one anyways
early christians used the fish symbol or the initials XP (greek letters chi and ro, short for christos or christ)
that doesnt necessarily mean that there would be no crosses in heaven, just that no crosses in heaven could be justified easily
nor would we have any reason to assume they would need any symbol at all, since the place is older than any civilization and would see the modern use of the cross as taking up only a fraction of all time and not particularly noteworthy
I have never seen a single depiction of heaven that has crosses everywhere.
just one big one really is all it needs. im fine with the other stylized buildings. i dont know why they couldnt have a cross on the town hall or wherever the court is.
>Jesus was crucified on Earth
>that means that there need to be crosses in Heaven
Huh?
Jesus will put crosses in heaven and you know it.
I think the other crosses are all integrated into the architecture and structure of the buildings
Hazbin hell/heaven isn't even explicitly Christian it seems, which is honestly for the best keeping actual religion out of this dumb edgy shit.
Yet we still have Lucifer and the story of Adam and "Eve." She needs to make up her mind on this shit.
its simple really. people dont like jesus these days. the fact we get cartoons about anti bible related things, and now just straight up glorifying satanism solidifies that.
>Muh cross
You don't even need that, you could just go for some shitty triquetra or sacred heart
mega?
crosses are a mortal invention, why would heaven have those?
I fricking hate LE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS memes for not understanding there are more types of angels than the wheels and seraphim. Like theres one that has three faces with a lion, bull and human on one head but they don't ever show that shit. Instead its always eyes on wheels or multiple wings or some shit.
but anon the wheels are easy to draw
It's just why b***h about replacing standardized angel designs with a new standardized angel design for the sense of being "biblically accurate" forgetting that angels took the guise of men at multiple points. It always reeks of pseudo intellectualism
why were the wisemen afraid of a floating man with wings then?
first off they were shepherds in a field, the magi were guided by a star not an angel. Second off they were startled by a bright fricking light that accompanied an angel in the dead of fricking night only to have an otherworldly being approach them and then a multitude of them appear before them. be they freaky deaky shit or humanoid you'd still be wigged out. After all people are afraid of ghosts despite them having a humanoid appearance are they not?
This feels like heavenly host is seething openly about "HOW DARE THE NINGEN DRAW THIS SHIT"
Fishe
again, bulls, lion and wings are mortie shit, it's not heavencore
Bulls are peak heavencore, their horns have been included on the middle-eastern divinities forever.
>Horned six-winged deity
Yahweh was associated with bulls since the very start. In fact the story of the golden calf might be a mangled memory of him being worshiped under a guise of a gold bull.
damn look at that nose
Early Christianity symbol was Ichthys, Cross was adopted my later
angels that look like humans aren't even biblically inaccurate either lmao
> Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Hebrews 13:2
>The 2 men that were with Lot at Sodom - Genesis 19:1-3.
>Right before that, those 2 angels also appear as men along with the pre-incarnate Logos.
Also, Joshua meets the Captain of The Heavenly Host, that was also as a man (although, possibly also the pre-incarnate Logos). There are indeed a few examples of angels appearing as men.
The biblical meme was cool 10 years ago when normalgays were baffled by the concept but now it's just gay and moronic since they ran it into the ground.
Ophanim can still be cool anon.
You know I have this weird idea that atheism would be less of an annoying meme/common in this country if people were shown the monster-angels as kids and told "this is what the prophet jebediah saw as it told him not to piss his tunic in 3000 BC" instead of My Buddy Jesus riding in the presidential limo with George Bush and Bill Clinton as we bombed another middle eastern country.
Happy Yemen War everyone!
Your Sunday school teacher was incompetent doesn't mean they all are
But you're right, politics has no place in children's education, especially evil politics of Zionist neocons
They are Thrones.
Because the wheels are the coolest, anon. Multiple animal faces are weird but they still feel more earthly and modern people don't feel as much of a connection with those animals.
Provide me with a bible passage describing heavenly host as a dudes with wings. I dare you. There are angels indistinguishable from humans and there ones in all sort of crazy shapes in there. "Classic" angels are not.
Why are you argue like a Protestant now? Therefore, the presence of the wings is to symbolize status as a divine messenger (in Greek “Evangelos”, from where the word “Angel” is derived).
Winged angels in art are a wink to the audience (this guy is an angel), not something that is within the narrative itself. You think men of Sodom wouldn't be at least a little bit surprised if the two angels sent there had fricking feathery wings sticking out of them. When you ignore the text to suit your agenda you no longer use the bible as anything more than ventriloquist's dummy.
biblically accurate is kind of a misnomer since the passage in which the seraphim are described is one in which Ezekiel is high as frick and communicating with god. The highest ranking angel is Metatron who is definitely an ascended human.
>The highest ranking angel is Metatron who is definitely an ascended human.
>literal cabalist
Why would an ascended human have the name of the Lord in him? Metatron is actually a very, very curious case. He's also particularly talmudic in origin; Christians would point to the relevant biblical passages (which don't mention such a name) usually as evidence of the 2nd Person of the Trinity, but obv israelites (and Muslims) can't admit to such, so they have their own theology on it. But it's quite strange, and none of the talmudic writings I've read seem to suggest "ascended human".
Metatron as ascended Enoch is in 3 Enoch and some apocrypha.
Huh, guess that escaped my attention. I don't recall the talmudic commentators ever mentioning that though, guess that means not even they took that seriously? But thanks for the mention anyways, anon!
It was considered part of "two powers in heaven" current during the second temple era and deemed heretical. It's likely that the idea influenced later development of christianity with Enoch replaced by Jesus. Similarily some 1 century israelites believed that Melchizedek was Logos, view that was absorbed into Jesus as well.
yeaaaaaa I'm not seeing that sort of connection between Enoch and Jesus being something causal.
>why Heaven do not have ancient execution/torture device symbols anywhere?
why shouldnt it? The cross is a symbol of Jesus' sacrifice.
>I'd like a retelling of genesis but from Lucifer's perspective
How original
>And theirs something shady going on with heaven and angles!
Daring today, aren't we
ah yes the angles, very shady.
Only way it could be more cliche if it was about America instead Heaven, or some other Western nation
>Something is seriously wrong with Viv's depiction of Heaven
oh yeah? you have pictures of heaven that shows us what it looks like?
yes
that doesn't look very comfy
what do you mean? theres a residential area outside the city's borders, but the apartment rooms are the size of a mansion on the inside.
why the frick would heaven have apartments? or residences at all for that matter
people need a place to set their stuff, lay down in their comfy beds.
you would have no corporeal form, you wouldn't use that stuff
yes you would.
No you wouldn't. Heaven being just another place where humans walk around and live in apartments is just as silly as le angels say frick
people need to take naps in heaven though. i wanna take a nap when i go to heaven.
You are moronic
no i am not.
was the inciting incident for this thread you watching the show and its version of heaven not matching the one you drew? Your art's cool but not every depiction of heaven needs to align with the lore you constructed in your head.
i'm more disturbed because this is what gen-alpha's equivalent of south park will be.
remember when 9 year olds in the 2000s were cool when they hung out with their friends watching south park, well now 9 year olds are going to be hanging out watching habbo hotel on mum's ipad
>habbo hotel
Such great times as closing the pool because of aids will never be had again.
So do you have like a cross fetish or something?
no?
do you?
You sure seem like it
I love Christianity and Jesus, and I love hanging out with my friends The Two Witnesses.
in libtard fiction hell exists but not heaven. keep this in mind next time you wanna waste time consuming this slop
These are not angels. Angels do not cuss.
Seems pretty safe, as depictions of places like that are
hey why is it floating someone could fall of the edge
What’s this from? I like the art
Sandman, somewhere in the Season of Mists arc
heres another
that's just the starship enterprise.
God and Jesus watched Star Trek in their spare time. It's not like Paramount could sue them anyways.
Honestly I can buy it, Star Trek is pretty good.
Seems like we have an All-Seeing Eye situation here. Interesting.
Call the NJPD (New Jerusalem Police Department)
I heard Jesus doesn't take kindly to all seeing eyes.
>Why isn't heaven covered in torture and execution devices?
>Particularly the one that agonizingly killed the boss' son
It's a mystery OP.
Nah
to me, heaven has to be a cross between a dikeike video and chicken and winnigish
i never went to church so my first exposure to heaven was newspaper comics and i still imagine it as a cluster of floating clouds where the deceased basically just stand around
That's more or less what most people think about. Religious education was always pretty bad and bible itself is rather vague on the whole afterlife thing. Old testament essentially doesn't mention it outside of rare reference to shady underworls or possibly being taken God's abode while still alive. Early christians worked their assess off putting together idea of heaven and hell.
I can't find it but there's a part in My Immortal where the author for one instance spells out or censors the word "cross." She said she'll never say it because she's a vampire, despite already typing it out multiple times in her clothing descriptions.
Crucifixion is a roman thing
The Romans copies the sky burial of the Persians.
pic related
Jesus got crucified after heaven was created
>And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Only fragment if the now lost "Preachings of Peter" talks about his death in distant past as well.
>all seeing eye
Vivziepop's heaven is the Masonic heaven, that's why the angels are dicks.
A cross is a symbol of how Jesus died for our sins and a reminder of His suffering... why would he want that in heaven? It would be vanity.
>*Charlie opens bedroom door*
>*Pulls string tied to the doorknob + the switch of a radio*
>*What can only be described as '1930s frick music' starts playing*
>PicRel.
Okay, so reception of this show has been very iffy from what I've seen, so I decided to finally watch it for myself. I just recently finished the pilot and oh my goodness. It's perfect. I'm trying but I can't name one wrong thing with this. Lovable characters with stellar acting. Brilliant score and musical numbers, which I can confidently say as a big musical guy. The concept in general is genuinely interesting. The animation, especially during action and musical scenes, is insane.
Go to bed viv
Burning hell ruled by demons is in no way biblical anyway. Where did Paul got attacked by angel of satan? In HEAVEN. Where is the spiritual wickedness? IN HIGH PLACES.
More like this:
>Heaven and Hell are not locations, but a state of being.
>Demons (and Angels) fly in the sky.
And yes, Aliens are Demons.
No depiction of heaven has ever featured giant crosses you schizo. Jesus living in a big cruxifix is moronic, like Darth Vader living on a lava planet.
Christians having the cross as their symbol is moronic to begin with. Imagine if your parents were shot dead by a burglar, and in honor of their death you put up a gun on their gravestone "Let's all remember this gun that killed my parents. Because guns represent my parents, it's the gun they were all about"
I’m not even a christian but stfu, you b***hes complain about every little thing They look cool and have symbolic value to their religion
Silence heathen. Heaven is nothing but crossess and John 3:16.
Try looking up why instead of complaining over it
The crucifixation was all part of the plan to deliver salvation to all those truly willing to accept it through repentance. The cross represents the victory over sin and death, the resurrection of Christ Himself after the harrowing of Hades.
homosexual
Dante's Pardiso didn't have crosses either.
Unrelated to Hazbin Hotel but has anyone else ever thought about how if Heaven exists and you end up actually getting there after death, then that means that you and your consciousness will exist for the infinity of eternity, and how that actually sounds fricking terrifying?
It is less scary if you realize it doesn't even make sense. Do you have free will in heaven? If yes then you and everyone else will end up falling on an infinite timeline. If no then you aren't in heaven, puppet in your likeness is.
2000 years of theology BTFO right here in this very post
there are no negative feelings in heaven
You'll be eternally desiring God, and God in His infinity will eternally satisfy your desire to know Him.
The more free the will, the more it is correctly directed towards what is and ought to be desirable for the person. If someone is in Heaven, he'll be able to infallibly desire the most desirable of all, God. There won't be anything to misdirect his intention of the Good anymore.
So humans were not given free will in the first place because...
Adam was given such, though? Are you asking why wasn't Adam given instantly perfected free will?
>take stuff from Christian mythology
>remove Christ and the cross because it might hurt non Christians feelings
>didn't even have to make it based on Christian ideology in the first place since the creator hates Christianity
What is even the point of the series? Why do redditors hate Christians so much yet they steal from their culture so much?
Christians nicked most of their theology and all of their aesthetics from greeks. Not really in a position to whine.
>Christianity spreads most readily in a culture that is somewhat like-minded on foundational principles
>this means it was stolen somehow
Yall Black folk need to give it a rest with the post hoc fallacy
>christianity is most simillar to hellenism
>but it's totally natural progression from old testament, i swear!
>natural progression
More like a single discrete revolutionary event around ~33AD, but yes you're in the right ballpark
>Jesus dying somehow retroactively made hellenic philosophy emerged out of paganism right
Are you sure it had nothing to do with christianity being most popular in its infancy among deeply hellenised diaspora? Hell, when Paul and gospel writers talk about "scripture" they mean septuagint not the hebrew original.
>deeply hellenized
Yeah they were further removed from the Babylonian cult that had supplanted Yahwism among the Pharisees
>Hebrew original
If you have reason to believe it differs significantly from the Septuagint, I'd like to know where and how
>Babylonian cult that had supplanted Yahwism
Now that's a cope. Second temple judaism was fake and gay but greek mystery cults were 100% God aprooved.
>If you have reason to believe it differs significantly from the Septuagint, I'd like to know where and how
For one is in you know. Greek. As in it's in completly different language among people with different customs and values. Hellenised israelites often viewed things like kosher dietary laws and circumcision as bourden unlike their kin back in judea. Pauline christianity was for them a guilt free way to become gentiles.
>Second temple judaism was fake and gay
Yes, and more pertinently to my point, it was (and is) a despicable supremacist domination strategy, which prioritized material gain over universal principles of truth and justice, and then tortured the scriptures to mean what they want.
>but greek mystery cults were 100% God aprooved.
No, but they had a culture of seeking truth for its own sake (they called it "philosophy") and so they were receptive to the truth when it was told to them, even though it came from le foreign country.
Isaiah 7:14 in hebrew doesn't mention a virgin. Prophecy only makes sense in greek.
That “prophecy” was always referring to current events, specifically Israel and Aram getting their clocks cleaned by Assyria in less time than it would take for a child to go from conception to solid food.
You mean in the Masoretic text? The oldest copy of which dates to 1000 years after Christ? Forgive me if I suspect some minor linguistic tinkering in the interim. I'm going with the Septuagint on this one.
Greeks were christians you idiot, how did they steal it from themsleves?
>Greeks were christians
They fricking what?
Maybe most of their natural theology, but "most" in an unqualified sense makes no sense. For example, soteriologically speaking, the dominant Christian view of universalism being false is against platonism. In fact, some of more sophisticated universalists of today (who are heretics in the EO and RC traditions) appeal to such pagan platonism (e.g., Plotinus on the individual intellect being free of the guilt of the evil deeds performed by the embodied human being) to justify their views. That's also not getting into salvation being of the intellect (platonism, henosis) vs of the entire human being, including both the material and immateral aspects (Christian, theosis)
Awful lot of minarets in Heaven, just sayin.
No way, Europe was always muslim! God is Great!
>Hi Jesus! Look, we put up all of these crosses to remind you of your horrible suffering and death!!!
Great idea
Real problem is the heaven is a fricking modern city that are known to be soulless depressing hellholes and not some psysics defying collection of interlaping wonderous planes
More importantly where are the American flags? What is this, heaven for spics?