Something is seriously wrong with Viv's depiction of Heaven.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would heaven need a cross, death didn't need to be defeated there, it needed to be defeated on earth

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Jesus lives there and it looks cool.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you’re a fricking moron
        you can easily shit on viv for plenty of other things, this is just stupid

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i can alsobash viv for making heaven characters drop the f bomb
          the absence of God or Jesus
          implying people can escape hell
          implying we should be rooting for demons
          heaven is le bad
          i could go on.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So in other words, you're not the target audience for her show yet watch it anyway

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Praise Jesus

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Urdak was a really cool vision of Space Heaven in Doom Eternal. Everything was cross or halo shaped, even the spaceships. Too bad the Makyrs were evil. :'(

        based

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I had been crucified once I wouldn't want to keep being reminded of it every day, that shit hurt.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This kind of reminds when I was a cross to put in my place. I ended up buying a cross with Jesus in the front as if he's blessing you. I didn't think too much about it

      Later my mom saw it, and commented that even as a kid I never liked Jesus nailed to the cross.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp, this anon gets it

      also this is just an abrahamic heaven in general it seems, something that the three different branches can find some commonality with

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought in the israeli tradition the soul returns to god.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Neat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Something is seriously wrong with Viv's depiction of Heaven.
      >Why would heaven need a cross, death didn't need to be defeated there, it needed to be defeated on earth
      The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.

      crosses are a mortal invention, why would heaven have those?

      Because Jesus (God) sanctified it.
      That being said, Angels have both humanoid forms and thrones, living creatures, and flaming serpents.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Judaism and Gnosticism
        Blegh! I rebuke thee!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.
        Absolute moron, Christianity invented the modern concept of heaven and hell, israelites didn't even believe in hell to begin with

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is the "A place in the world to come" and "Genhhena (hell that Jesus is suffered in)"?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No answer, as expected. Fact backed, well sourced statements always send the servants of satan skittering back to the shadows.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Our modern concepts of "heaven" or "hell" owe more to pagan Greek philosophy than either Christianity or Judaism.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why am I getting Warhammer 40k vibes?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because Warhammer 40k was inspired by the Bible? Heck, the Emperor of Mankind is literally Jesus according to the early Lore.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        These 9 classes of angels is cannon to at least Catholic angelology

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The "Heaven" in that show is based on Judaism and Gnosticism, not Christianity.
        Saint Peter was right there at the gates.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, and while you're right, I think perhaps it's (whether intentionally or not) superficially Christian but more substantially Gnostic (unsure about israeli). But if you were to ask how is it substantially gnostic, I'm not actually sure (so I'm not committed to this view), like you kinda got the vibe from having these alternative takes on the Genesis narrative, but there's none of the theology that could constitute any gnostic sect that I'm familiar with. Actually, if I reeeeeally had to choose, it'd be some sort of mundane, grotesque pre-Christian pagan view of spiritual beings and the afterlife if anything.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God loves Crosses.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yep

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the cross as as symbol for christianity actually took a few hundred years to become the definitive one anyways
      early christians used the fish symbol or the initials XP (greek letters chi and ro, short for christos or christ)

      that doesnt necessarily mean that there would be no crosses in heaven, just that no crosses in heaven could be justified easily
      nor would we have any reason to assume they would need any symbol at all, since the place is older than any civilization and would see the modern use of the cross as taking up only a fraction of all time and not particularly noteworthy

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have never seen a single depiction of heaven that has crosses everywhere.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just one big one really is all it needs. im fine with the other stylized buildings. i dont know why they couldnt have a cross on the town hall or wherever the court is.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Jesus was crucified on Earth
        >that means that there need to be crosses in Heaven
        Huh?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus will put crosses in heaven and you know it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/wSbxBVA.jpg

        I think the other crosses are all integrated into the architecture and structure of the buildings

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hazbin hell/heaven isn't even explicitly Christian it seems, which is honestly for the best keeping actual religion out of this dumb edgy shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yet we still have Lucifer and the story of Adam and "Eve." She needs to make up her mind on this shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its simple really. people dont like jesus these days. the fact we get cartoons about anti bible related things, and now just straight up glorifying satanism solidifies that.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Muh cross
    You don't even need that, you could just go for some shitty triquetra or sacred heart

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mega?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    crosses are a mortal invention, why would heaven have those?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I fricking hate LE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS memes for not understanding there are more types of angels than the wheels and seraphim. Like theres one that has three faces with a lion, bull and human on one head but they don't ever show that shit. Instead its always eyes on wheels or multiple wings or some shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        but anon the wheels are easy to draw

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's just why b***h about replacing standardized angel designs with a new standardized angel design for the sense of being "biblically accurate" forgetting that angels took the guise of men at multiple points. It always reeks of pseudo intellectualism

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why were the wisemen afraid of a floating man with wings then?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              first off they were shepherds in a field, the magi were guided by a star not an angel. Second off they were startled by a bright fricking light that accompanied an angel in the dead of fricking night only to have an otherworldly being approach them and then a multitude of them appear before them. be they freaky deaky shit or humanoid you'd still be wigged out. After all people are afraid of ghosts despite them having a humanoid appearance are they not?

              again, bulls, lion and wings are mortie shit, it's not heavencore

              This feels like heavenly host is seething openly about "HOW DARE THE NINGEN DRAW THIS SHIT"

              Early Christianity symbol was Ichthys, Cross was adopted my later

              Fishe

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        again, bulls, lion and wings are mortie shit, it's not heavencore

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bulls are peak heavencore, their horns have been included on the middle-eastern divinities forever.
          >Horned six-winged deity

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bulls are peak heavencore, their horns have been included on the middle-eastern divinities forever.
              >Horned six-winged deity

              Yahweh was associated with bulls since the very start. In fact the story of the golden calf might be a mangled memory of him being worshiped under a guise of a gold bull.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            damn look at that nose

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Early Christianity symbol was Ichthys, Cross was adopted my later

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        angels that look like humans aren't even biblically inaccurate either lmao

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
          Hebrews 13:2

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The 2 men that were with Lot at Sodom - Genesis 19:1-3.
          >Right before that, those 2 angels also appear as men along with the pre-incarnate Logos.

          Also, Joshua meets the Captain of The Heavenly Host, that was also as a man (although, possibly also the pre-incarnate Logos). There are indeed a few examples of angels appearing as men.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The biblical meme was cool 10 years ago when normalgays were baffled by the concept but now it's just gay and moronic since they ran it into the ground.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ophanim can still be cool anon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know I have this weird idea that atheism would be less of an annoying meme/common in this country if people were shown the monster-angels as kids and told "this is what the prophet jebediah saw as it told him not to piss his tunic in 3000 BC" instead of My Buddy Jesus riding in the presidential limo with George Bush and Bill Clinton as we bombed another middle eastern country.

            Happy Yemen War everyone!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Your Sunday school teacher was incompetent doesn't mean they all are
              But you're right, politics has no place in children's education, especially evil politics of Zionist neocons

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They are Thrones.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because the wheels are the coolest, anon. Multiple animal faces are weird but they still feel more earthly and modern people don't feel as much of a connection with those animals.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Provide me with a bible passage describing heavenly host as a dudes with wings. I dare you. There are angels indistinguishable from humans and there ones in all sort of crazy shapes in there. "Classic" angels are not.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why are you argue like a Protestant now? Therefore, the presence of the wings is to symbolize status as a divine messenger (in Greek “Evangelos”, from where the word “Angel” is derived).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Winged angels in art are a wink to the audience (this guy is an angel), not something that is within the narrative itself. You think men of Sodom wouldn't be at least a little bit surprised if the two angels sent there had fricking feathery wings sticking out of them. When you ignore the text to suit your agenda you no longer use the bible as anything more than ventriloquist's dummy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      biblically accurate is kind of a misnomer since the passage in which the seraphim are described is one in which Ezekiel is high as frick and communicating with god. The highest ranking angel is Metatron who is definitely an ascended human.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The highest ranking angel is Metatron who is definitely an ascended human.
        >literal cabalist

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would an ascended human have the name of the Lord in him? Metatron is actually a very, very curious case. He's also particularly talmudic in origin; Christians would point to the relevant biblical passages (which don't mention such a name) usually as evidence of the 2nd Person of the Trinity, but obv israelites (and Muslims) can't admit to such, so they have their own theology on it. But it's quite strange, and none of the talmudic writings I've read seem to suggest "ascended human".

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Metatron as ascended Enoch is in 3 Enoch and some apocrypha.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Huh, guess that escaped my attention. I don't recall the talmudic commentators ever mentioning that though, guess that means not even they took that seriously? But thanks for the mention anyways, anon!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It was considered part of "two powers in heaven" current during the second temple era and deemed heretical. It's likely that the idea influenced later development of christianity with Enoch replaced by Jesus. Similarily some 1 century israelites believed that Melchizedek was Logos, view that was absorbed into Jesus as well.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeaaaaaa I'm not seeing that sort of connection between Enoch and Jesus being something causal.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why Heaven do not have ancient execution/torture device symbols anywhere?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why shouldnt it? The cross is a symbol of Jesus' sacrifice.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'd like a retelling of genesis but from Lucifer's perspective
    How original
    >And theirs something shady going on with heaven and angles!
    Daring today, aren't we

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ah yes the angles, very shady.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only way it could be more cliche if it was about America instead Heaven, or some other Western nation

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Something is seriously wrong with Viv's depiction of Heaven
    oh yeah? you have pictures of heaven that shows us what it looks like?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that doesn't look very comfy

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what do you mean? theres a residential area outside the city's borders, but the apartment rooms are the size of a mansion on the inside.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why the frick would heaven have apartments? or residences at all for that matter

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              people need a place to set their stuff, lay down in their comfy beds.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you would have no corporeal form, you wouldn't use that stuff

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes you would.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No you wouldn't. Heaven being just another place where humans walk around and live in apartments is just as silly as le angels say frick

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people need to take naps in heaven though. i wanna take a nap when i go to heaven.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are moronic

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no i am not.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                was the inciting incident for this thread you watching the show and its version of heaven not matching the one you drew? Your art's cool but not every depiction of heaven needs to align with the lore you constructed in your head.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i'm more disturbed because this is what gen-alpha's equivalent of south park will be.

                remember when 9 year olds in the 2000s were cool when they hung out with their friends watching south park, well now 9 year olds are going to be hanging out watching habbo hotel on mum's ipad

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >habbo hotel
                Such great times as closing the pool because of aids will never be had again.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So do you have like a cross fetish or something?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no?
          do you?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You sure seem like it

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I love Christianity and Jesus, and I love hanging out with my friends The Two Witnesses.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in libtard fiction hell exists but not heaven. keep this in mind next time you wanna waste time consuming this slop

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These are not angels. Angels do not cuss.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seems pretty safe, as depictions of places like that are

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hey why is it floating someone could fall of the edge

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What’s this from? I like the art

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sandman, somewhere in the Season of Mists arc

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    heres another

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's just the starship enterprise.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God and Jesus watched Star Trek in their spare time. It's not like Paramount could sue them anyways.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly I can buy it, Star Trek is pretty good.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seems like we have an All-Seeing Eye situation here. Interesting.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Call the NJPD (New Jerusalem Police Department)
      I heard Jesus doesn't take kindly to all seeing eyes.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why isn't heaven covered in torture and execution devices?
    >Particularly the one that agonizingly killed the boss' son
    It's a mystery OP.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    to me, heaven has to be a cross between a dikeike video and chicken and winnigish

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i never went to church so my first exposure to heaven was newspaper comics and i still imagine it as a cluster of floating clouds where the deceased basically just stand around

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's more or less what most people think about. Religious education was always pretty bad and bible itself is rather vague on the whole afterlife thing. Old testament essentially doesn't mention it outside of rare reference to shady underworls or possibly being taken God's abode while still alive. Early christians worked their assess off putting together idea of heaven and hell.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't find it but there's a part in My Immortal where the author for one instance spells out or censors the word "cross." She said she'll never say it because she's a vampire, despite already typing it out multiple times in her clothing descriptions.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Crucifixion is a roman thing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Romans copies the sky burial of the Persians.

      angels that look like humans aren't even biblically inaccurate either lmao

      pic related

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus got crucified after heaven was created

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
      Only fragment if the now lost "Preachings of Peter" talks about his death in distant past as well.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all seeing eye
    Vivziepop's heaven is the Masonic heaven, that's why the angels are dicks.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A cross is a symbol of how Jesus died for our sins and a reminder of His suffering... why would he want that in heaven? It would be vanity.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >*Charlie opens bedroom door*
    >*Pulls string tied to the doorknob + the switch of a radio*
    >*What can only be described as '1930s frick music' starts playing*
    >PicRel.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, so reception of this show has been very iffy from what I've seen, so I decided to finally watch it for myself. I just recently finished the pilot and oh my goodness. It's perfect. I'm trying but I can't name one wrong thing with this. Lovable characters with stellar acting. Brilliant score and musical numbers, which I can confidently say as a big musical guy. The concept in general is genuinely interesting. The animation, especially during action and musical scenes, is insane.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Go to bed viv

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Burning hell ruled by demons is in no way biblical anyway. Where did Paul got attacked by angel of satan? In HEAVEN. Where is the spiritual wickedness? IN HIGH PLACES.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More like this:
      >Heaven and Hell are not locations, but a state of being.
      >Demons (and Angels) fly in the sky.
      And yes, Aliens are Demons.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No depiction of heaven has ever featured giant crosses you schizo. Jesus living in a big cruxifix is moronic, like Darth Vader living on a lava planet.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Christians having the cross as their symbol is moronic to begin with. Imagine if your parents were shot dead by a burglar, and in honor of their death you put up a gun on their gravestone "Let's all remember this gun that killed my parents. Because guns represent my parents, it's the gun they were all about"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m not even a christian but stfu, you b***hes complain about every little thing They look cool and have symbolic value to their religion

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Silence heathen. Heaven is nothing but crossess and John 3:16.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Try looking up why instead of complaining over it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The crucifixation was all part of the plan to deliver salvation to all those truly willing to accept it through repentance. The cross represents the victory over sin and death, the resurrection of Christ Himself after the harrowing of Hades.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    homosexual

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dante's Pardiso didn't have crosses either.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unrelated to Hazbin Hotel but has anyone else ever thought about how if Heaven exists and you end up actually getting there after death, then that means that you and your consciousness will exist for the infinity of eternity, and how that actually sounds fricking terrifying?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is less scary if you realize it doesn't even make sense. Do you have free will in heaven? If yes then you and everyone else will end up falling on an infinite timeline. If no then you aren't in heaven, puppet in your likeness is.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2000 years of theology BTFO right here in this very post

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there are no negative feelings in heaven

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'll be eternally desiring God, and God in His infinity will eternally satisfy your desire to know Him.

      It is less scary if you realize it doesn't even make sense. Do you have free will in heaven? If yes then you and everyone else will end up falling on an infinite timeline. If no then you aren't in heaven, puppet in your likeness is.

      The more free the will, the more it is correctly directed towards what is and ought to be desirable for the person. If someone is in Heaven, he'll be able to infallibly desire the most desirable of all, God. There won't be anything to misdirect his intention of the Good anymore.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So humans were not given free will in the first place because...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Adam was given such, though? Are you asking why wasn't Adam given instantly perfected free will?

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >take stuff from Christian mythology
    >remove Christ and the cross because it might hurt non Christians feelings
    >didn't even have to make it based on Christian ideology in the first place since the creator hates Christianity
    What is even the point of the series? Why do redditors hate Christians so much yet they steal from their culture so much?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christians nicked most of their theology and all of their aesthetics from greeks. Not really in a position to whine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Christianity spreads most readily in a culture that is somewhat like-minded on foundational principles
        >this means it was stolen somehow
        Yall Black folk need to give it a rest with the post hoc fallacy

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >christianity is most simillar to hellenism
          >but it's totally natural progression from old testament, i swear!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >natural progression
            More like a single discrete revolutionary event around ~33AD, but yes you're in the right ballpark

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Jesus dying somehow retroactively made hellenic philosophy emerged out of paganism right
              Are you sure it had nothing to do with christianity being most popular in its infancy among deeply hellenised diaspora? Hell, when Paul and gospel writers talk about "scripture" they mean septuagint not the hebrew original.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >deeply hellenized
                Yeah they were further removed from the Babylonian cult that had supplanted Yahwism among the Pharisees
                >Hebrew original
                If you have reason to believe it differs significantly from the Septuagint, I'd like to know where and how

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Babylonian cult that had supplanted Yahwism
                Now that's a cope. Second temple judaism was fake and gay but greek mystery cults were 100% God aprooved.
                >If you have reason to believe it differs significantly from the Septuagint, I'd like to know where and how
                For one is in you know. Greek. As in it's in completly different language among people with different customs and values. Hellenised israelites often viewed things like kosher dietary laws and circumcision as bourden unlike their kin back in judea. Pauline christianity was for them a guilt free way to become gentiles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Second temple judaism was fake and gay
                Yes, and more pertinently to my point, it was (and is) a despicable supremacist domination strategy, which prioritized material gain over universal principles of truth and justice, and then tortured the scriptures to mean what they want.
                >but greek mystery cults were 100% God aprooved.
                No, but they had a culture of seeking truth for its own sake (they called it "philosophy") and so they were receptive to the truth when it was told to them, even though it came from le foreign country.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isaiah 7:14 in hebrew doesn't mention a virgin. Prophecy only makes sense in greek.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That “prophecy” was always referring to current events, specifically Israel and Aram getting their clocks cleaned by Assyria in less time than it would take for a child to go from conception to solid food.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You mean in the Masoretic text? The oldest copy of which dates to 1000 years after Christ? Forgive me if I suspect some minor linguistic tinkering in the interim. I'm going with the Septuagint on this one.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Greeks were christians you idiot, how did they steal it from themsleves?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Greeks were christians
          They fricking what?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe most of their natural theology, but "most" in an unqualified sense makes no sense. For example, soteriologically speaking, the dominant Christian view of universalism being false is against platonism. In fact, some of more sophisticated universalists of today (who are heretics in the EO and RC traditions) appeal to such pagan platonism (e.g., Plotinus on the individual intellect being free of the guilt of the evil deeds performed by the embodied human being) to justify their views. That's also not getting into salvation being of the intellect (platonism, henosis) vs of the entire human being, including both the material and immateral aspects (Christian, theosis)

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Awful lot of minarets in Heaven, just sayin.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No way, Europe was always muslim! God is Great!

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hi Jesus! Look, we put up all of these crosses to remind you of your horrible suffering and death!!!

    Great idea

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Real problem is the heaven is a fricking modern city that are known to be soulless depressing hellholes and not some psysics defying collection of interlaping wonderous planes

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More importantly where are the American flags? What is this, heaven for spics?

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