It wasn't dated, it was using a timeless design (realtimeish D&D combat), and they did some quite interesting things like spell comboes.
The problem is that you could count the number of abilities and effects on two hands. Incredibly small pool of fun shit to play with.
But it wasn't dated.
it was
I remember it feeling pretty clunky when I bought it on release
it was the RP/story elements that helped it
ME1 was the same I guess, came out around the same time, although the LE has made that a bit smoother now
>I remember it feeling pretty clunky when I bought it on release
It's probably because you never played a game like that before. It was the exact same stuff as KOTOR, NWN etc.
You can argue it's clunky on principle, but it wasn't any more clunky than similar games.
>It wasn't outdated, it was just very similar to the games from half a decade ago
Hmmm
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It's just not what outdated means. That combat style has not been made redundant by technological progress.
Doesn't BG3 use the exact same system?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
BG3 uses turn based rather than real time with pause.
Though ironically that’s an even older system
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Anonymous
I didn't play it. I know Tyranny, Pillars of Eternity use it. I don't know if Divinity does, but I suspect it does. Those are all recent games.
It is not an outdated system.
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I was talking about the actual feel of the gameplay
I said the combat system was fine
it's just actually playing it felt a bit dated and clunky
BG3 feels very smooth for a DnD isometric
>The problem is that you could count the number of abilities and effects on two hands.
Just enough for me. I don't want 80 different abilities to keep track of
does origins have Black folk? i dont recall any. But origins is definetly worse than DA2. Half of origins dungeons are far too long and its completely unbalanced
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>does origins have Black folk?
yes it does have black NPC's
also Sten and the Qunari are Black folk
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frick i completely forgott about him. I guess the shitty graphics made him blend into the surroundings
kinda, the king was reckless and they likely would've still lost the battle against the darkspawn, even if he committed his troops.
where he went wrong is trying to pin the blame on the grey wardens and making a power grab for himself instead of pulling all available resources to defeat the blight with a different strategy
>instead of pulling all available resources to defeat the blight with a different strategy
He didn't believe in the Blight. He thought that it's just some band of Darkspawn.
In his mind, yes, he wasn’t some power hungry hypocrite
He genuinely believed Cailan was a vainglorious idiot trying to spin an incursion into a blight for his hero fantasies, hence why he didn’t believe they needed the wardens, and was terrified of him selling out to Orlais after fighting a war of independence.
Obviously he was wrong in the meta sense, but it was more him not reading the script to allay his fears rather than going full moron.
>he wasn’t some power hungry hypocrite
Everything he did shows he was a power hungry hypocrite. And an idiot, he was so obsessed with Orlais that he nearly got the country destroyed by the Blight. He was all about "muh Ferelden" but enabled slavery against all traditions, he allowed/ordered murders of lords loyal to Ferelden because they might oppose his power grab, sent his goon to kill opponents etc. A bunch of npc chatters and some side quest make it clear a civil war is about to happen while the blight crisis is getting worse by the day, and it can be safely blamed on Loghain.
People usually defends him by saying he saved his soldiers by ordering the retreat but then he spent all his time acting against the Wardens and fricking around with the nobility instead of doing something useful. And the Ostagar battle plan was beyond moronic and got most of Ferelden's army killed but this guy is supposed to be some big shot strategist?
>an unaffiliated secretive cult-like third party doesn't have to follow any local laws, customs, or taxes >they have the power to do anything they want, enter anywhere they want, and can even forcefully recruit people
I wouldn't trust them either. Especially if they haven't done their one job in thousands of years, yet still get to use the treaties all the time
Let’s drop the moral posturing, shall we? There's no shame in it, Warden. Revenge is motivation enough – at least it's honest. Hate me, but do it honestly!
I didn't let her join my party. I didn't even stop to talk to her. Just... sorry! My medieval fantasy can do without that stuff. I know, I'm the worst!
She's not worth having on your party. Knight-Enchanter requires spamming spells to build up your lightsaber charges. The AI is completely incapable of handling a KE's playstyle.
Take the gay Dorian. His fire/fear combo is perfect for CC. Solas is better against bosses though. Ditch Viv
I wish they’d fleshed out the evil route a bit more.
Durge is all well and good, and there’s enough stuff to do to hit max level unless you’re an absolute moron, but you still piss away potentially six companions and a boatload of quests for a tiny fraction in return
Larian doesn't care about the evil route, they cop out by saying "evil should feel emptier" (ie. they didn't have time to develop anything)
BG3 doesn't really have many choices that matter much, you're basically still funnelled into the same things but maybe there's a bit of different flavor here and there
Yeah they more went with the little and often approach of minor details cropping up. I can’t say it’s not a bad long term approach, given how mass effect royally shit the bed in part due to being unable to write around the various choices (though being helmed by an absolute moron for the conclusion sure didn’t help) but it’s all moot now since wizards are such meddling buttholes that Swen hates them and wants nothing more to do with them
>but you still piss away potentially six companions and a boatload of quests
to be fair, most the best companions stick with you on the massacre route (Shadowheart/Astarion/Lae'zel + potentially Gale but he kinda falls off after act 1 anyway)
the ones you lose out on are Wyll (boring), Karlach (basically no content, only hyped because of waifuing), and the ones recruited later who are crap anyway, pretty sure barely anyone uses them except Minthara (who is better on massacre route anyway, and previously exclusive to it)
The extra quests are the tiefling ones which are all just chores really. They're the most boring quests in the game, honestly the main thing you miss out on is just some gear (potent robe in particular)
I don't think the quests were all that much
A shame they pulled the plug on the game so early, WOTC clearly wanted the lion's share, and they bailed before anything bad happened. There are some things like Karlach not having an actual quest, Minthara being a hireling with dialogue and act 3 as a whole feeling like a step-down from earlier acts that brings the game down, now those things will never get fixed.
Throw a dart at the main characters for LoK and you’ll have a good shot.
Scott McNeil in Dawn of War runs an amazing wavelength of kino to pure meme.
Tim Bentick in Vermintide is a standout in an exemplary cast
The last tolerable Bioware game, and even then it wasn't all that great.
How dare you
DA:O was pretty dated even at the time gameplay-wise
It wasn't dated, it was using a timeless design (realtimeish D&D combat), and they did some quite interesting things like spell comboes.
The problem is that you could count the number of abilities and effects on two hands. Incredibly small pool of fun shit to play with.
But it wasn't dated.
it was
I remember it feeling pretty clunky when I bought it on release
it was the RP/story elements that helped it
ME1 was the same I guess, came out around the same time, although the LE has made that a bit smoother now
>I remember it feeling pretty clunky when I bought it on release
It's probably because you never played a game like that before. It was the exact same stuff as KOTOR, NWN etc.
You can argue it's clunky on principle, but it wasn't any more clunky than similar games.
Not really, the gameplay system was fine but the actual combat felt pretty clunky to me. Played plenty of RPGs with smoother gameplay by then
Origins came out in 2009 or something though, Kotor and NWN were like 2002/2003? That's a big difference
>It wasn't outdated, it was just very similar to the games from half a decade ago
Hmmm
It's just not what outdated means. That combat style has not been made redundant by technological progress.
Doesn't BG3 use the exact same system?
BG3 uses turn based rather than real time with pause.
Though ironically that’s an even older system
I didn't play it. I know Tyranny, Pillars of Eternity use it. I don't know if Divinity does, but I suspect it does. Those are all recent games.
It is not an outdated system.
I was talking about the actual feel of the gameplay
I said the combat system was fine
it's just actually playing it felt a bit dated and clunky
BG3 feels very smooth for a DnD isometric
>The problem is that you could count the number of abilities and effects on two hands.
Just enough for me. I don't want 80 different abilities to keep track of
Dragon Age 2 is better than POOrigins
don't @ me and frick off back to Cinemaphile
Inquisition mogs the shit out of both of them. Origins gays can frick off to the corner and DA2 gays can gtfo altogether.
i really cant tell if you are joking or not. Isnt inquisition a isngle player mmo+Black folk+ugly she-elf?
>isngle player mmo+Black folk+ugly she-elf?
just like Origins
does origins have Black folk? i dont recall any. But origins is definetly worse than DA2. Half of origins dungeons are far too long and its completely unbalanced
>does origins have Black folk?
yes it does have black NPC's
also Sten and the Qunari are Black folk
frick i completely forgott about him. I guess the shitty graphics made him blend into the surroundings
DA2 is objectively better then DA1
LOGAIN? WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! LOOOOOGAIN!
oh I recently started playing that again.
was he justified? i can't remember
kinda, the king was reckless and they likely would've still lost the battle against the darkspawn, even if he committed his troops.
where he went wrong is trying to pin the blame on the grey wardens and making a power grab for himself instead of pulling all available resources to defeat the blight with a different strategy
>instead of pulling all available resources to defeat the blight with a different strategy
He didn't believe in the Blight. He thought that it's just some band of Darkspawn.
Yes, The Archdemon wasn't even there
Larger scheme of things, yes
In that moment he was a LIL b***h
In his mind, yes, he wasn’t some power hungry hypocrite
He genuinely believed Cailan was a vainglorious idiot trying to spin an incursion into a blight for his hero fantasies, hence why he didn’t believe they needed the wardens, and was terrified of him selling out to Orlais after fighting a war of independence.
Obviously he was wrong in the meta sense, but it was more him not reading the script to allay his fears rather than going full moron.
>he wasn’t some power hungry hypocrite
Everything he did shows he was a power hungry hypocrite. And an idiot, he was so obsessed with Orlais that he nearly got the country destroyed by the Blight. He was all about "muh Ferelden" but enabled slavery against all traditions, he allowed/ordered murders of lords loyal to Ferelden because they might oppose his power grab, sent his goon to kill opponents etc. A bunch of npc chatters and some side quest make it clear a civil war is about to happen while the blight crisis is getting worse by the day, and it can be safely blamed on Loghain.
People usually defends him by saying he saved his soldiers by ordering the retreat but then he spent all his time acting against the Wardens and fricking around with the nobility instead of doing something useful. And the Ostagar battle plan was beyond moronic and got most of Ferelden's army killed but this guy is supposed to be some big shot strategist?
Also going by Soldier's Peak, there's a bit of a history in Ferelden of people mistrusting the Grey Wardens
>an unaffiliated secretive cult-like third party doesn't have to follow any local laws, customs, or taxes
>they have the power to do anything they want, enter anywhere they want, and can even forcefully recruit people
I wouldn't trust them either. Especially if they haven't done their one job in thousands of years, yet still get to use the treaties all the time
Let’s drop the moral posturing, shall we? There's no shame in it, Warden. Revenge is motivation enough – at least it's honest. Hate me, but do it honestly!
I didn't let her join my party. I didn't even stop to talk to her. Just... sorry! My medieval fantasy can do without that stuff. I know, I'm the worst!
She's kind of based honestly. She's one of the good ones (of mages I mean)
She's not worth having on your party. Knight-Enchanter requires spamming spells to build up your lightsaber charges. The AI is completely incapable of handling a KE's playstyle.
Take the gay Dorian. His fire/fear combo is perfect for CC. Solas is better against bosses though. Ditch Viv
WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR STUDIOS TO PUT OUT GOOD FANTASY RPGS? AHHHHH
ummm bro???!
I wish they’d fleshed out the evil route a bit more.
Durge is all well and good, and there’s enough stuff to do to hit max level unless you’re an absolute moron, but you still piss away potentially six companions and a boatload of quests for a tiny fraction in return
Larian doesn't care about the evil route, they cop out by saying "evil should feel emptier" (ie. they didn't have time to develop anything)
BG3 doesn't really have many choices that matter much, you're basically still funnelled into the same things but maybe there's a bit of different flavor here and there
Yeah they more went with the little and often approach of minor details cropping up. I can’t say it’s not a bad long term approach, given how mass effect royally shit the bed in part due to being unable to write around the various choices (though being helmed by an absolute moron for the conclusion sure didn’t help) but it’s all moot now since wizards are such meddling buttholes that Swen hates them and wants nothing more to do with them
>but you still piss away potentially six companions and a boatload of quests
to be fair, most the best companions stick with you on the massacre route (Shadowheart/Astarion/Lae'zel + potentially Gale but he kinda falls off after act 1 anyway)
the ones you lose out on are Wyll (boring), Karlach (basically no content, only hyped because of waifuing), and the ones recruited later who are crap anyway, pretty sure barely anyone uses them except Minthara (who is better on massacre route anyway, and previously exclusive to it)
The extra quests are the tiefling ones which are all just chores really. They're the most boring quests in the game, honestly the main thing you miss out on is just some gear (potent robe in particular)
I don't think the quests were all that much
gay game
my point is they are so few and far between. the cadence of good, unique games hasnt correlated with the increase in the size of the industry
A shame they pulled the plug on the game so early, WOTC clearly wanted the lion's share, and they bailed before anything bad happened. There are some things like Karlach not having an actual quest, Minthara being a hireling with dialogue and act 3 as a whole feeling like a step-down from earlier acts that brings the game down, now those things will never get fixed.
The devs are still updating the game and adding new content.
>everybody is bi. Not a single straight perso
>tell random party member to frick off and leave
>they take all their equipment with them
FRICK YOU STEN GIVE ME BACK MY JUGGERNAUT ARMOUR
Can't imagine anything more homosexual than choosing to play as a dwarf
All the DLC stuff kinda spoils things. You can have the best armor, weapons, rings etc virtually at the start of the game.
I remember they changed something like this for the Mass Effect LE remaster
DLC items are spread across the game now like other items
Me (Based handsome warrior chad)
Shale (Big tank)
Leliana (Lock picker)
Wynne (Healer)
Who do you pick when Leliana butts heads with Wynne...
Zevran (No homo)
But why have you not chosen your wife Morrigan!
She is a good wife! She is!
Morrigan is sexy
I wish i could find an irl girl that looks like her with the same personality
Official party power rankings
God Tier
Morrigan
Alistair
Good Tier
Wynne
Shale
Okay Tier
Leliana
Zevran
Dog
Shit Tier
Sten
Loghain
Lmao Fricking Dwarf Tier
Oghren
He did nothing wrong.
Who is the most kino Cinemaphileoice actor?
Mark Hamill's Joker is the GOAT
Throw a dart at the main characters for LoK and you’ll have a good shot.
Scott McNeil in Dawn of War runs an amazing wavelength of kino to pure meme.
Tim Bentick in Vermintide is a standout in an exemplary cast
I tried playing this again recently but it has aged so badly I couldn't get past the tutorial face section as a mage.
>I couldn't even beat the tutorial
>This means the game has aged badly
>classic ESL reading comprehension
I don't know why I expect otherwise coming to Cinemaphile these days.
>not putting a comma before "but"
>misspelling "fade" as "face"
>but I'm the ESL
Nice try, bucko, but you're fricking with an English teacher now.
>Well, what about Shepard? Earthborn... but no record of his family.
>his
Don't you mean >her?
>game thread has been on Cinemaphile for 6 hours
Based