Roger Stern had no issues with the marriage, but instead thought that MJ wasn't the right one for Peter. Do you agree with his take? If so, who'd be a better match for him?
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>MJ wasn't the right one for Peter
he's got that right
Black cat '94? Sure. Black Cat in the comics? No. She, like MJ, is a bad fit for Peter.
what is it with spider man and ntr shit?
Relationship drama is the bedrock of western dramatic writing
Peter really needs to stop surrounding himself with terrible women.
>Is only interested in the Spider-man persona
>Cheat on him with the Foreigner
>Also melt a golden notebook that Pete kept for extra cash into disco shoulder pads
b***h destroyed his heart and wallet.
>>MJ wasn't the right one for Peter
Yeah that's for sure she is busy fricking Paul.
Nah, Black Cat '94 got MORBED
Doesn't Felicia hate Peter
yeah but she loves spiderman
That was decades ago anon. She's spent more time accepting his Peter side then hating it. Even though the mind wipe ruined all that
Took them 40 sweet years to put things in shape for PeterFel endgame
You know Stern didn't like her either...right
I think I read that Black Cat and Catwoman kinda ripped eachother off for bits and pieces here and there. Like Felicia took the cat motif, Selina took the 'romance the hero' angle (not seduce as a distraction, but do it more seriously).
Dunno how much of that is true though, I haven't read old Batman stories. But I could believe they were more black-and-white about evil-doers.
Selina was dating bruce by the late 70s...
Fair enough. I admit I thought Felicia was close to 1971/2 than 1979.
My bad.
deecee is just in creative bankruptcy
c-cute!
So she's becoming Queen pin again. Why can't Wells leave things alone from the bnd days
Really?
Bnd best hits baby
Anything else?
Go back to CBR, MattRat
Wasn't he banned
hence why he's here
Doesn't matter really because you know he's right
>gets told
>d-doesn't m-matter to me!!
typical cbrcuck
Its probably xenon
Turns out Stern was planning on introducing a proper Mrs. Peter Parker, but never got around to it.
This new character probably would have gotten nowhere.
IIRC Stern was writing at the same time Felicia debuted so I wouldn't be so quick to say so.
I see.
>love interest all the fans like BAD, my donut steel GOOD
I don't know what I was expecting.
Make me think that creating a new love interest is the best option right now.
Because that went so well the last time!
But it's he dating one at the moment. So you're saying she's a terrible character and a better villain instead?
They're tried that a dozen times since BND, and they've all been abject disasters because readers literally just do not care if it's not MJ. Writers always end up pressured to reel her back into the plot because it doesn't narratively work to push her out anymore. She's become too ingrained to Spider-Man's world.
Ironically enough all sterns fault.
Isn't it obvious?
Who is the 'right girl' for Parker?
An extremely nice and delicate woman to act as purely support for him on the side?
The oil and water I think is a reference to MJ's outgoing nature and her independent goals from Peter that led to a lot of conflict between them over direction and purpose.
So is the solution a woman that wouldn't have any of that?
He wants some oc. But doesn't realize that would never happen.
Chat worked just fine for him.
Chat's existence is pretty much the reason why I can believe in a love interest that is not MJ. The problem is the writers...
Part of it was that Chat worked because she was a new love interest in a completely new universe that wasn't beholden to what came before. There was no Mary Jane in Marvel Adventures so you could buy into Peter having a different love interest.
What Marvel editorial and possibly the writers forgot is that you can't pull something like OMD and expect the readership to believe you when you create a new love interest. It also doesn't help when some of the new love interests created in ASM since OMD come off like one-dimensional sitcom characters for the sake of cringe comedy.
Some? You mean all.
A new love interest works just fine in AUs, reboots and adaptations. 616 doesn't have to be the end all be all. Other works can and should stand on their own and be judged accordingly. Given how 616 has lost its luster, it's best to start fresh.
It all goes by back to OMD.... Man, couldn't they just do a normal people divorce, the pill would have been more easier to swallow imo.
Because they didnt want him to be divorced, that would make him old.
They survived the single most traumatic thing a couple can go trough. At some point it becomes unreliable.
NO! No, just no. I am so goddamn sick of mutants
Based and Marvel Adventures-pilled. Even the Emma Frost in that run secretly being into Peter would make for a better romance at this point.
But I guarantee that if modern Marvel got to remembering this run and Chat, they'd frick it up somehow.
Glad they didn’t remember for Spider-Verse.
>Emma Frost became a villain in Adventures because she was wet for spider dick.
Bitches love Spider-Man.
>I read your mind.
Um sweetie that's hecking rape honey.
I'm very far from the shipper type normally, mostly because I'm not gay, autistic, or a woman, but Marvel Adventures really got me digging the idea of Peter and Emma, even if 616-Emma is a certified bawd.
I just really like the idea of the sneaky, manipulative telepath b***h getting all sweet on the good guy.
>I just really like the idea of the sneaky, manipulative telepath b***h getting all sweet on the good guy.
That's the appeal of CyclopsxEmma.
Eh, I think Cyclops is far more of a straight-laced hardass 'good guy' compared to Peter, and it's enough of a difference that I'm not sure the dynamic which appeals to me in the brief bits of Spidey/Emma there have been is necessarily present with Cyclops/Emma. I think it's more the fact that Peter is 'nice, friendly good', whereas Cyclops has always been more so 'po-faced, serious good'. And I say this with Cyclops as my favourite X-Man.
Though I've not actually read Morrison's New X-Men, or really any modern X-Men, so I can't properly judge the whole Cyclops/Emma relationship. But frankly, if we were to start talking about Cyclops's love life then that's a whole other thread of bullshit on its own.
I mean after abandoning on wife, cheating on another and setting up mutant death squads, I have a hard time seeing cyclops as a pure good guy.
Guess Spidey wins again.
Emma is better for Steve Rogers
Yeah, that works on the same level as Spidey/Emma. But Steve is too milquetoast for her imo
Even if you just consider the stuff up to when the relationship with Emma starts, I don't think you can really say that Cyclops is a nice guy on the same level as Spidey
So maybe if we storytime OMD we can get a sequel that'll undo that one
>doesn't like mj as peter's true love
>thought he would make a new character that would be THE endgame for peter
All the respect to him but it's funny how deluded writers were even back then.
Extra funny because HE made mj relevant again.
Paul Tobin got away with it when he did his Spidey stories.
There's a difference between the main canon Spider-Man and Marvel Adventures Spider-Man.
Well, given that Felicia is Peter's soul mate it's safe to assume that's what they're building.
Felicia marriage like renew your vows would be cool. However wells run barely uses her to begin with.
Everything points out to the decision being above Wells, which is a good thing more often than not.
can't argue against that
Felicia's still a bad fit for Peter.
The Virgin Stern
Vs
The chad JMD
Holy shit, this is the most hack thing I've ever seen. Just from a writing standpoint, you can't just introduce a new character at the last moment and have them exist solely to be the hero's gf. Thinking that MJ isn't right for Peter is controversial, sure, but I can get it. I could even get behind hooking him up someone established out of left field, like Chat. Introducing an entirely new character with no build up or warning for him to fall in love with is deranged.
That’s not what he was planning at all. The plan was to introduce a new girl that would DEVELOP into being the right one for Pete. There would be buildup to the relationship. Chat was the same way.
Whoa, unironically kino
I'm not sure if he was main writer already, but I remember that in one of the first Hobgolin stories, Peter was just starting to get serious with Felicia - Betty had blindsided him to meet MJ at a dinner, and he immediately started to think of her. Maybe 'debuted' was the wrong word, but that was to say that Felicia was pretty much contemporary, but still managed to land a claim as one of the love interests. So, I think as far back as that timeframe, maybe something could have worked.
And?
Peter being married isn't the issue. Peter being married to MJ is.
>started writing comics at 13 due to sending so much fanfiction
>Supported his family on his back
>Had a prominent job writing for the legion for years, creating some of its most iconic and enduring characters
>Wrote the first superman/flash race
>Became editor in chief at marvel and led over the daredevil, x-men, iron man and spider-man (and probably more) revitalization leading to marvel's most lauded era.
>Almost bought dc due to how much money he was making
>Defined transformers and GIJoe lore with the hasbro contract
>Paid for all creatives to fly to cons in first class
>Made the first (and still one of the best) event books that redefined how the market worked
>Agreed with stan to marry spider-man with mj, made that happen in a big media event
>Towered over every other creator physically
How could one man be so based?
>13
Holy shit. What a chad
He did it to help earn money for his family. Even better, his editor at DC was Mort Weisinger, who was notoriously one of the worst buttholes to ever work in comics. Weisinger was one of those bastards where people only turned up to his funeral just to make sure he was dead, and the only nice thing anyone had to say about him there was that his brother was worse.
Imagine barely being a teenager, already having to work to provide for your family, and you end up with a guy like that as your boss.
Check'd.
I looked at his blog and the stuff he says about him.
>Mort would call me every Thursday night, right after the Batman TV show to go over whatever I’d delivered that week. He’d call me other times, too, whenever, but Thursday night was our regularly scheduled call. The calls mostly consisted of him bellowing at me. “You fricking moron! Learn to spell! What the hell is this character holding? Is that supposed to be a gun? It looks like a carrot! These layouts have to be clear, moron!” When you’re 14 and the big, important man upon whom your family’s survival depends calls you up to tell you you’re an imbecile, it makes an impression….
>Mort used to tell me I was his “charity case.” He said that the only reason he kept me on was because my family would starve otherwise.
>The net effect of Mort’s honking at me was slowing me down. I’d sit there for hours, immobilized, useless, unproductive, because I was sure that anything I put on the paper would be wrong and therefore, Mort would scream at me. My mother would occasionally plead with me. She’d say, “We really need a check.” I started working in my room, sitting on my bed to keep my lack of production more private. Every once in a while she’d come upstairs, look at the blank page on my lap board and start crying. That was tough. She meant no harm. But that was tough.
>Years later, I found out he used to brag about me to other DC editors. I was his “discovery,” a “prodigy,” to whom he could give any assignment, any book, any character, and always get good material, never a rewrite needed. I was the young hotshot he was grooming for big things. Not bad for a fricking moron/moron, I guess.
Jim "The straight Shooter, who didn't become a school" Shooter is a very based man.
If you want to read about more Mort shenanigans, here's an ""obituary"" written by one of his old co-workers
http://thecomicsdetective.blogspot.com/2012/04/woolfolk-on-weisinger.html
Gigachad
>Lost his job because John Byrne threw a party for Marvel staffers that involved burning a wicker man of him
Sucks when he got booted from Valiant. It went from really good comics to bullshit overnight.
Will Ben and Peter ever stop being moronic?
Reminder that Carlie Cooper was intended to be a resurrected Gwen Stacy. Her being a forensics scientist to match up with her dad having been a police captain and her being a science major before she died. Her initial appearance in Spectacular is basically a blonde Carlie.
Do you have proof of this claim? And may we see it?
Nah, shit was weirder than what that anon is saying.
You know? I have been thinking...
If by mere miracle of Heaven, Peter and MJ's marriage is restored and they are allowed to have a girl, I believe that girl shouldn't truly a counterpart of Mayday or Annie. I think it should be... An amalgam of both of them.
Annie’s full name is Annie May Parker. She was always just Mayday 2.0.
Anime parker
You rang?
Annie got ruined by the timeskip.
She's different from Mayday in a big way.
Mayday's powers surfaced in her teen ages, while Mayday was still a child by then.
>he wants slott's hellspawn
kys
Peter should be married to Harry Osborn.
involved enough in peter's life and interests to be thematically interesting for his stories, i mean.
yes, harry is also a great example of what i mean. get a woman with harry's vibes and she will be peter's instant waifu
Sometimes I wonder what baffles me more: Spidergay writers' seething hatred of MJ or X-gay writers inexplicable infatuation with Kitty Pryde.
Stern didn’t like Peter with Gwen either.
Based Stern
Gwen got this weird reputation after her death that she was this absolutely perfect woman and Peter's first true love, when her most notable storylines prior to the Night were hating Peter when she first met him, then eventually hating Spider-Man, and just generally having the depth and agency of a cardboard cutout
there's a good reason why twittergays are obsessed with spideypool and spideytorch, wade and johnny are both quippy good fighters but also insecure adhd jokesters who desperately want someone to love them and take care of them and be the responsible man of the house, and you know peter is obsessed with responsibility. bring a woman with those vibes and you can shut those homosexuals up. marvel tried to box mj into that role but she's too much of a rebel and not involved enough in superhero shit or even science shit.
Lady Deadpool?
Any non-Spidey characters that can fit the bill? The Marvel U's pretty vast.
Twitter is obsessed because they like gay shit.
IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES
DOES IT ALMOST FEEL LIKE NOTHING CHANGED AT ALL?
Meanwhile JMD...
Stern's point is that realistically, Pete and MJ wouldn't last. People like them just don't work together. To him, they'd at least stay as friends and nothing more.
And JMD, the guy that actually consults real life psychologists and wrote the most critically acclaimed spider-man story disagrees
Contrary to popular belief, but opposites do not attract. It may make for interesting storytelling but in the real world, it doesn't fricking work. All it does is cause problems in the long run because you have next to nothing in common with your significant other. You want the relationship to last, then the two of you need to be on a similar enough wavelength on certain things to properly get along. If not, end it. You'll just end up hurting each other trying to make it work. Some people just aren't meant for one another.
Except that since stern stopped writing for the character everything else has made it so they do belong together. And pop culture too.
If you're going to use an appeal to authority with stern, then I'm going to use one too, and the names in favor do dwarf it in importance lol. Unless you're going to tell me stern is more important than stan fricking lee, are you?
Stan wanted Gwen to be Peter's true love with MJ functioning as the competition that would ultimately lose the Peterbowl. However, fans gravitated towards MJ so Stan appealed to popular opinion by having the two get married in the newspaper strip. The comics followed suit for synergy.
Stan preferred gwen, yes. He was also the one that later pushed for peter to marry MJ to begin with (it helps that both gwen and mj were based off his wife). And after following OMD stan reinstanted the marriage in the strip .
And here we are in the present were OMD remains canon. MJ is a cheater while Gwen remained faithful to Peter. it's time to face facts Gwen was the one meant for Peter time to bring her back.
Stern tought gwen was a b***h if we're talking about him kek
Yeah well Gwen still turned to better then MJ thought, I bet she never would have sold her marriage with Peter to the devil.
>Gwen remained faithful to Norman.
fify
Not canon.
What about now?
why'd he do it? why'd mysterio pose as gwen and let the green gobey slither into his slippery wet colon?
>It was me, Norman.
I refer you to the KISS principle (Keep It Simple. Stupid).
What's simpler? A blonde slept with a rich man, or an AI of Harry paid Mysterio to get buttfricked by Norman so that the AI could make fake babies?
Mysterio then, being a consumate pro, got samples of Gwen's pussy juice so that Norman could identify a Gwen by smell.
>You want the relationship to last, then the two of you need to be on a similar enough wavelength on certain things to properly get along.
Both Peter and MJ know what's like to hide behind a mask that's as good as any starting point to find common ground between the two.
Not the same type of mask.
A story that was meant for other characters and initially didn't have the marriage in it.
Yeah, and JMD said that untill the marriage the story didn't have an emotional center, which is there lol. And he wrote it.
He later did write a Batman & Joker story that involved Joker thinking he'd killed Batman, it's good but nowhere near as good. The way that story worked is by being much more about Joker than about Batman or anyone waiting for Bruce to come home. Maybe something could have worked by focusing on Alfred instead of some flavor of the month Batman love interest. I don't think the story would ever have worked with 80s Wonder Man.
Stern is also massively critically acclaimed for his Spider-Man stuff though
Why can't we just combine these two viewpoints from two amazing writers?
Stern is the only one of those writers that has that viewpoint. And its not an invalid viewpoint mind you. There's also the thing that spider-editoiral has long used it to justify their atrocious storytelling (do note stern actually wrote during BND too, and did nothing of note there).
And JMD is specifically talking about MJ, not just a generic marriage, so nah these are irreconcilable.
>do note stern actually wrote during BND too, and did nothing of note there
His were the only actually good issues of BND
His juggernaut story was alright, but nothing compared to the original. His other stuff was super forgettable. Not terrible, but yeah him coming back to the book did absolutely nothing.
The problem is that BND is mostly marred by trying too hard to make Spider-Man funny by making him a loser and sometimes resorting too hard to cringe comedy or going the excessively grim route. Stern's issues got the balance right. It wasn't as good as his old run, but he's the only one from the BND stable whose issues I had no problem with. Everyone else wrote at least one or more terrible clunkers that don't hold up.
I guess? I mostly meant that it wasn't worth what was removed. Stern's great, doesn't change that BND (which was justified using his run and argument) was ass.
That raises even more questions if they believed Stern's run justified OMD and then proceeded to not even do quality on the level of Stern
What social class does JMD belong to? Is he working class, or is he one of those upper middle class hippies who never had to struggle a day in their life?
I think it could go either way.
And yet it did, and the only way they could split them up was with magic
Not really. Them sticking together in the 2000s was more for synergy with the movies. They tried killing her off for real in the 90s, and contemplated divorcing the two for the longest time.
Not really, only macchio and byrne wanted them split up.
And DeFalco and Frenz.
Defalco didnt want them married originally, but then he shit talked OMD and said that it was the natural direction . And he said post OMD spider-man wasn't spider-man
1:18
Defalco also not subtely said that OMD was worse than the clone saga. AND wrote married spider-man during BND. Same with frenz. So they are the single worst examples you can use for this.
He also said that retconning the marriage is shit because there's no idea afterwards, and that he shot down attempts to do so. And lo and behold.
Jesus he has the most new yorker voice ever.
Made dan slott fricking beg.
>DONT YA TALK ABOUT THE METS
Legend.
>tom DEFALCO sounds like a new york guinea
wow really?
Didnt expect him to have that deep a voice, is all.
And the fandom rioted each time they tried, Sales significantly dropping each time.
I know you are trying to argue, but remember this is schizo central.
Waid seethed when JMs joked about that. Plenty to do for a crybaby b***h literally
Why wouldn't they last
we get it, you were cucked.
How are Peter and MJ opposites
How are they alike?
Their values and interests do not align.
Based JMD.
That doesn’t track with how inconsistently these characters have been written. Of course it makes sense as they’ve had many writers putting their own spin to these characters, rather than be faithful to what Lee and Ditko established.
Hey, go argue with the actual writer then.
Good to contrast
Peter/MJ Marriage Supporters:
>Jim Shooter, head editor
>Stan Lee. Who did it in the newspaper strip to begin with and officiated an irl wedding.
>John Romita sr. Arguably the most influential spider-man artist of all time, constantly spoke positively of the marriage.
>Defalco. Originally he was against it, but came around to it pretty fast to the point he wrote it even after it got erased.Shit talked quesada for getting rid of it.
>JMD who considered it the soul of the single most critically acclaimed spider-man story and still says they're married today.
>Michelini who wrote the marriage itself and has never expressed dislike of it
>JMS who made the relationship key to the overall run and one of the most important parts of it
>Mark Millar. Whose only time writing a mainline spider-man story had the marriage with MJ at a central position.
>Bendis. Who publicly defended the marriage as a natural point for the character in wizard
>Todd macfarlne. Just as an excuse to draw a hot redhead but still.
>Sauvik. Draws the marriage stuff even on his own time
>Ron Frenz. Probably tied to spider-girl more than anything, but always supported it
>Ollife. Expressed similar thoughts as frenz
>Peter David. Has only spoken positvley about it and has peter refer to MJ as the most important person to him.
>Sacasa. Was so against erasing the marriage he literally had god tell peter not to do it
>Fraction. Was so against it he wrote a one shot to celebrate peter and mj and one of two eisner winning spider-man stories
Neutral/its complicated
>Mackie. He didn't mind the marriage but thought that peter was still written too young for it and not allowed to progress
>Roger stern. He didn't mind peter being married, but thought mj was not the ONE. Which is ironic since he brought her back after 6 years.
>JRJR its kind of hard to really know. He's worked on both anti and pro marriage runs. He seems to like drawing her, but that's kinda the end of it. He's said himself he likes gwen more but being dead so, yeah complicated for sure.
>Conway. Likes MJ a lot, and was the guy who pushed her as main LI, and wrote the marriage stuff. But also doesn't have an issue with the marriage being written out. But by his own words he checked out of spider-man mentally in the 90s.
>Zradsky. His works always have peter and mj in a relationship or ending in one, but he's also said he models MJ after his ex-wife...so mixed. Although his one 616 MJ moment in his spec run had peter motivated by her to do the impossible.
>Larsen. Loves drawing MJ but thinks that peter is a teenager's fantasy and that marriage has no place there.
>Jenkins. Prefers gwen but has said he sees MJ as the second-best fit.
>Glen. As long as he could write some goblins he gave no shit.
>Grant Morrison. Was willing to do a story during it, but clearly has said only ditko spider-man matters.
Opposed
>Jim oswley. Thought the marriage made spidey too old and ruined his friendship with shooter over it.
>Bob Harras. Thought the marriage made spidey too old.
>John bryne. Thought the marriage made spidey too old
>Slott. Thought the marriage made spidey too old. Thinks its too much of a finale for spider-man and that it should NEVER have happened.
>Quesada. Thought the marriage made spidey too old an unrelatable
>Breevort. Thought the marriage made spidey too old and kneecaped the "inherent" conflict of the character
>Busiek. Thought the marriage made spidey too old.
>Waid, Tought the marriage made spidey too old and unrelatable
>Wells. Thinks the marriage is too much of an ending for spider-man. Makes him too old
>Van lente. Thought the marriage made spider-man too old.
>Guggeingheim. Thought the marriage made spider-man too old
>Brubaker. Felt the marriage didn't let him tell as story he wanted with spider-man (never wrote it).
>Wolfman: Hates MJ.
Modern supporters
>Pat Gleason. To the point he still calls her mary jane watson parker in interviews and drew her with a wedding ring with peter in beyond's covers.
>Carlos Gomez. Publicly shit talked the current run for splitting them up and said he'd always view them as a couple.
>Kaare Andrews. Publicly said they would always get back together and wrote a story where mj's death is the single most traumatic thing for peter.
>Danny Khazheem. Who called married spider-man "his" spider-man in the letter's page for Lost Hunt.
>George R martin (okay not a comic writer but still). Publicly shit talked marvel for getting rid of the marriage.
>Kevin Feigue. Dude flat out said so in the 900 interviews
Are there any modern "neutral/anti-marriage" authors?
Zradasky is in neutral.
You forgot George Perez on the Support side
Also fricking DiDio being the mastermind behind Quesada his best Friend, to undo the marriage since both worked together in that said period to ruin every single super hero family to push edgelord late 90's shit.
it is still said that Quesada had the idea that roy harper's family should die an make him less similar to hawkeye and green arrow.
When did perez say that?
They were friends?
For all the shit given to brevroot and cebulski, didio is still worse than them both combined.
DC editorial are incompetent. Marvel editorial are evil.
It's crazy how they went so left field as soon as didio was out, it's a way different DC now.
>Glen. As long as he could write some goblins he gave no shit.
I know who the others are, but who's Glen?
>all the supporters are kino writers and artists
Makes you think
Bendis is also there.
Yes, for once he was based. Makes sense, dude's married, has kids.
>Jim "The Shooter" : master tardwrangler
Fixed that for you
He had to wrangle Miller, Bryne and claremont. That alone makes him the best.
I respect that man so much tbh. Even if he did write Secret Wars II
I fricking love secret wars 2 with the beyonder just fricking around.
Member when Peter had to teach the Beyonder how to use the toilet?
I member
Kino.
Being serious secret wars 2 was meh. But the spider-man issue with mephisto and beyond betting on him was kino. Gave us some fantastic trippy imagery.
What does MJ do for Peter that another love interest couldn't do as well?
Social life hook, something that is rapidly entering extinction in ASM.
>Social life hook
That isn't and shouldn't be exclusive to MJ.
And ASM was supposed to be Marvel's best book, not the worst, yet here we are.
OCs are a doomed affair in comics.
Most of Spidey's supporting cast and villains are OCs. They weren't all created by Ditko and Lee.
If anything its the opposite most of spider-man's iconic supporting cast and villains were created either under lee-ditko or romita. The first era or the era that made the book a cultural stone. Since then the only characters that really stuck are
>Black Cat
>Venom
>Carnage
>Hobgoblin
So yeah, characters introduced early on stuck.
And 15 years of anal leakage where the character is totally unrecognizable have proven he was wrong or short sided kek.
No? He literally says that Peter being married isn't an issue. He just feels it shouldn't be with Mary Jane. Spidey can still be Spidey without needing to be hitched to MJ. Problem is that current writers don't want to write him properly.
MJ has been with paul for only 4 years and they're in couples counseling, so why not just divorce?
Paul is staying to supervise MJ in case she tries to kill herself.
she wouldn't want to kill herself if she wasn't trapped in a marriage to some half israelite with glasses and a ponytail
She still would want to kill herself because her kids are dead. Wouldn't be surprised if she starts to remember about Mayday too.
Kids that never existed in first place, and were all illusions in her had made with paul's magic.
This is so fricking moronic that it hurts and i hope that God fricks over wells and marvel so hard they press the undo OMD and have Paul revealing himself as Mephisto.
>he still doesn't know
You couldn't be more impotent anon, and the Spidey office doesn't stop laughing at your so-called outrage
I don't give a shit you fat frick, i don't have nothing to lose anymore on capeshit.
By they way, i hope you enjoy your "marriage"
GiantBomb's CEO looked the same as you and he died before honeymoon.
>and the Spidey office doesn't stop laughing at your so-called outrage
And everyone is laughing and you AND the Spidey office
>her kids are dead
They weren't her kids.
They were fellow inmates
Marvel writers really just don't grasp MJ's popularity at all, do they? They have no fricking clue why readers took to her so strongly.
The whole point to her massive popularity is that she GREW. She was fun-loving, wild, and even somewhat irresponsible, but she was also intelligent, deeply empathetic, and capable of self-reflection. She turned from someone who ran from her problems, to being inspired by Peter to finally acknowledge the fear she lived her life with, and start dealing with the hardships she faced.
She wasn't perfect for Peter frame-one, but Peter wasn't perfect for ANYONE frame-one. But the two of them, together, grew as people and found a way to make it work between them. And audiences ate that up, two compelling characters changing along with each other.
Too bad that doesn't work in real life. As was said before, opposites do not attract no matter what you do.
They're not actual opposites, though, just not the same fricking person. Or are you forgetting Peter was ALSO hot-tempered, flighty, and motivated primarily by his guilt? He and MJ were more similar than people realize at their core.
>and motivated primarily by his guilt
That's the fricking movies. He didn't become a hero because of Uncle Ben. He saved John Jameson because he could. Right after Ben died, he tried to use Spider-Man to make money to support Aunt May but Jonah made that impossible by smearing his good name. He even thought that saving Jonah's son would fix things until Jonah decided to double down on his smear campaign.
well he is a menace so it's kinda deserved
How are they similar?
>Too bad that doesn't work in real life.
Are you really bringing the "we need to make things more like real life" argument into this? Fricking really?
Ditko was the one who wanted Spidey to inhabit a more grounded world. To have Peter Parker in true to life situations. Well, as much as what was allowed back then. Now, you can do so much more to make Peter's life and world feel more "real".
Ditko also wanted peter to be a perfect hero when he was an adult...
Depends on what you define as "perfect". Perfect as in Gary Su? Or "perfect" as in Superman?
He believed he wouldnt really make the same sort of mistakes.
The idea was that he’d learn from his mistakes once he fully matured and become a better man because of it. People who make the same mistakes over and over again are losers.
It was more so that he wouldn't make any anymore. In line with his objectivist worldview. Which is fine btw. Just saying ditko didn't care for anything since his run, that goes deeper than the marriage.
>opposites do not attract no matter what you do.
Total opposites don't attract.
People with massive differences in temperament tend to attract.
I'd be more inclined to agree if she wasn't a ho beforehand. I don't want Spider-Man to be with a ho, or an ex-ho.
Peter has hod too
No.
You have the same mindset as the shitty Marvel writers that caused this debacle. I am not inclined to care about your opinion.
Since Peter = Ditko and Ditko never married another human being and instead died married to his own work as an artist, perhaps it’s more wise for Peter to never get married?
That was morrison's idea. 90s married peter would meet a peter who is a shut in modelled after ditko.
Morrison doing Spider-man would certainly have been interesting, maybe not anymore since most of morrison recent. work has been very mediocre at best (i've not read the Barbarian comic he did with Sharp. that came out recently)
Morrison's spider-man pitch was basically just a way for him to say "ditko is better everything after is trash"
Morrison's pseudo intellectual babble and over the top meta fictional style wouldn't suit Spider-Man. Morrison is all about big ideas, not grounded characters, which is the opposite of what Spider-man represents
Is Morrison's full pitch out there somewhere for us to read?
Seems the list thing was right huh
Sweet, thanks anon. Very speedy delivery on it too
I can definitely see why this never happened now tbh. The only real hook to the story is basically just 'what if we had an super Ditko-y version of Spider-Man,' and that final paragraph makes it pretty clear that Morrison probably likes the original Ditko run too much to mock him like that while not really having any other better ideas for a Spidey book
Why can't Peter be a creep and married to a supermodel
Why doesn't the suit look this good.
Why.
Because the dude doing the art for interiors is way past his prime and only on for legacy sake
Ain't that the suit from Spidey and His Amazing Friends
This schizo homosexual autist just keeps on harping about "muh realities" "muh opposites" another thread, huh?
Just have a nice day already.
Ill take him over the other ones at least.
I'm tired of all the schizos. The threads have been absolutely insufferably unbrowsable for years now.
Why must we choose the lesser evil?
That's all of life.
Wtf I love Spider-Gwen now???
Got any more Gwencest?
Not right now, sorry.
Found this.
And arguably this counts too.
Is that TASM Gwen and Raimi Gwen?
Yep!
hot
Damn right!
Norman's wives
Not canon you moron.
Give it time! It'll be canon again.
Funny how Norman not keeping his mouth shut led to the way he is now.
I miss spencer-man. He wasnt perfect but he wasn't a whiney little b***h.
>two dudes and a bunch of women
I call that a tuna fest
Norman can fix her.
Doctor Strange turns Peter into a woman. Not a troony, a biological female.
Because now that Peter is a woman, his mind changes enough that he also becomes same thing all women are aka a moronic fricking prostitute and marries Cletus Kasady trying to "fix" him. This is the status quo.
At this point I just want everyone to be miserable, so why not?
Fem Peter x Venom might revive the fanbase.
Female Peter already exists.
turn cletus into a woman instead and make peter date him unwittingly. it would be fricking hilarious
Anyone have the image from last thread the chad vs Virgin one
this?
The black suit will ALWAYS be his coolest look.
Thanks
Sad but true.
Jeez that dick
Enlarged due to too much scoring
>Shoulder pad felicia
You dont see that enough.
Wish Peter can be as cool as Dick was in this. Context: Dick’s college girlfriend left him for this guy who in actuality is the main bad guy of the story.
Lori, Dick’s ex, tries to go back to him but Dick brushes her off like the self respecting man that he is.
Amazing martial arts in that last panel.
And yet when its starfire or barbara he doesn't act like this.
Gapebros, how we doin'?
Chat was boring and only "worked" as a part of a non-canon book trying to separate itself from the main 616, similar way Ultimate tried to.
“Tom Brevoort recently said that the Spider-Man series is all about youth. And he’s the editor, so he gets to call the shots. Now, when I was the editor of Spider-Man, I thought the series was all about responsibility… So I think that if you’re playing that the series is about responsibility, that allows you to have him get married, ultimately allows you to have him have a baby, because the more responsibilities you pile on the character, his life and the series become more interesting.”
Tom Defalco
THE PULSE: You've worked on the Spider-Man and related family of characters for many years; what kind of void do you think the new Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man feature is filling in today's market?
TOM DeFALCO: I think a lot of readers were disappointed when Marvel decided to dissolve the marriage between the Peter and Mary Jane Parker. Older readers like me remember when Peter was single. A lot of other readers only know him as being married and they want him to continue to be married. This feature is for them.
THE PULSE: Why can't you just tell some untold tales of May before she was Spider-Girl in the pages of Spider-Girl? What does including them here mean for you?
DeFALCO: Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man isnt about Spider-Girl. Its about Peter and Mary Jane, a young couple with a baby. Yes, the baby will eventually grow up to be Spider-Girl, but she isnt the focus of the series. The fact that Pete happens to be Spider-Man and his wife knows, supports and aides his web-swinging is the focus of Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man, According to current Marvel history, Peter and Mary Jane were never married. We set Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man in Spider-Girls timeline because theyre still married there.
Same interview
>“When Tom Defalco established Mary Jane as a runway model. That is a very specific thing. For fashion shows within the industry. He did not intend when he threw that line out there…he did not intend for that to turn into policemen recognizing her as a magazine cover model. Those are two completely different things. But different writers take things in different directions…it ended up with Mary Jane being this hybrid soap opera/actress famous cover model person which people would recognize on the street. The original plan for that was far more modest.”
>Plebians: Rue OMD for dissolving Peter and MJ's marriage
>Me, an intellectual:
I feel like the world mindwipe was even stupider and they should have kept Peter's identity public because it basically soft rebooted him and opened doors to many stories.
The real High IQ-pill is that Civil War was fricking stupid and the whole identity reveal shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Civil War's damage to Marvel characters is felt to this day.
The id reveal only happened to justify OMD even.
Civil War was originally meant to be an Ultimate Marvel story.
If Mayday hadn't died in 616, but OMD still happened, what would happen to her? Like, would she disappear or?
Do MJ and Peter know she's still alive and are raising her? Because if so I don't think they'd go through with OMD because it would risk her existence. At best, she might still exist but her parents are bitter exes who never got married but both love her anyway.
If they don't know that Mayday is still alive, then nothing really changes.
They werent even bitter exes in BND.
It's a MC2 type deal but Final Chapter happened the same way it did in 616 so nothing really changes except he has a daughter now.
So arguably the thing they could do now.
OMD just wiped out the marriage. Pete and MJ were still a couple, just not married. They had Mayday out of wedlock but she was still kidnapped and presumed dead like before.
I think Mayday would still be in trouble during the BND era, especially regarding Grim Hunt and Shed. Although if she died during those events Peter would probably slaughter half of New York.
Also I think Mayday's presence changes a lot of Superior Spider-Man.
MacGargan said Norman got rid of her and the fricking wiki put as he killed her.
But knowing Norman, he obviously sent her to any European family and made sure she would never know who her parents are, this is the type of cruelty he would put on, and possibly one he would try to undo.
The baby is among the people he killed in gold goblin
Wasn't that a partial list of people he'd hurt, not just people he'd killed?
Still miss the better "good" goblin thanks to outside stuff book.
Hobgoblin is shit and I'm tired of you contrarians repeatedly pretending otherwise
I like hobgoblin.
Better than Good Norman.
Are you the same gay praising Stern? If so weird.
Spidey 94 did an interesting thing with Hobgoblin by having him act as this Proto-Goblin type of character where he’d test out Norman’s gear before he’d do it for real. Works in building up the Goblin as this bigger threat for Spidey to face.
That was because the first showrunner was going to make norman the hobgoblin.
Why dont you like him?
>Lets have Spider-man reveal his identity to the public so that Aunt May can get shot, leading to him selling his marriage to the devil because that's totally in character.
>Also, let the writers who are against it make stories that show how great that couple is, it totally won't blow on our face later hahaha
Total visionaries those editors and writers.
That happened because sm3 ironically enough. They HAD to have an event with the black suit so they waited an extra year. BND was originally going to be 2007.
>Movie synergy gave us Back in Black where Peter was at his chaddest
Th..thanks?
>Singheahandly makes the marriage last an extra year, with some of its best stories as writers proest OMD
BRAVO RAIMI
wtf, I love Spider-Man 3 now.
Drive that funky soul baby
Now I love spider-man 3.
Spidey 3 was actually a bigger box office success than the first two movies. The fourth movie was pretty much guaranteed until it wasn’t.
Fun fact, JMD actually wants to write SM4 as last hunt. Raimi also said that'd be his top choice if he ever gets to do it.
yes, married peter was sadder, but that wasn't because he was married to mj. it was because he was fricking poor and had ptsd from witnessing so much death and destruction through the years. when peter is allowed to get some of his shit together, any relationship he gets will be better. same with MJ. make her a bit saner and she becomes a fun sidekick.
In particular stern was writing peter right after he had lost his fricking baby.
Oh mckeever is pro marriage too.
I feel like some anons here lack reading comprehension. Peter being married isn’t the issue. Peter being married to MJ is.
Mackeever was specifically pro-peter-mj marriage. All the 616 stories he wrote had the two married. Even during back in black. So yeah..
Honestly, making Firestar a female Human Torch in design was the best thing Ultimate did. The original design is really fricking bad.
Maker her liz Allen also helped.
Yes, an actual Spider-Man character rather than an OC who looks identical to Mary Jane. Ultimate genuinely had some good ideas.
Lizstar is too good of an idea to be left as an Ultimate-exclusive thing. Hopefully, it'll get used in other works in the future.
Especially if they ever return to the Peter-Betty-Liz love triangle. Spidey would help Liz control her powers as Firestar while being cold to Peter, and Betty would be the grounded human element in Peter's life while also having issues with Spider-Man. Basically, Liz/Firestar loves Spider-Man and Betty loves Peter Parker.
Peter should be married to me.
This thread is in full swing at the rate it's going it will reach the bump limit in as few hours.
Spider threads are like that.
>full swing
Mwehehehehe
Motherfricker
In the end it will never really matter. Creators didn't really decide to make MJ the Lois Lane of the franchise, the one and only person he can ever be with, but it happened and their first meeting is one of the most iconic moments in the entire history of superhero comics, even for millions of people who never read the actual comic.
And its not as if there arent a ton of creators who do support it lol
Dude stop spreading your bs it's embarrassing
The fact that despite it being 15 years after the marriage MJ is just as prominent in outside media is the biggest proof of that you need.
That’s because of the movies that also made people think that Peter was some socially awkward nerd in high school.
And because of spider-man 3 we had back in black. This can go all day.
The point is that despite everything MJ is arguably more core to spider-man now than she was pre-OMD. Arguably BECAUSE they made such a big stink about it.
Literally the first ever page of Spider-Man pegs Peter as a wallflower right from the get-go. That's a direct quote.
Now if you're trying to say that Peter stops being as socially awkward once he becomes Spider-Man, then that's different. But at the very least he's absolutely always had a backstory of being an awkward nerd loser, even if he quickly starts to develop past that.
And if we're arguing about modern spider-man, raimi showed peter being marriage oriented pretty fast.
That's just the narration which one can explain as Stan just writing whatever. Per the Marvel Method, Ditko did both the plotting and art while Stan wrote the dialogue. Peter supposedly being this socially awkward wallflower type conflicts with the short-tempered arrogant guy that he actually is in the book.
Its in the fricking origin, in the art
Nice digits
But even if you want to ignore the writing (because obviously Stan wasn't the co-creator or anything and his input just clearly doesn't matter in the slightest), in that first page I posted the art alone very clearly communicates the fact that Peter is a sad, nerdy-looking guy ostracised and laughed at by his peers. Same with this next page; even just the art shows Peter being a teacher's pet and getting fobbed off by a girl and the guys. And like I said, the examples you've posted come AFTER he's started becoming more self-confident thanks to being Spider-Man.
I think it's pretty clear that Peter was always intended to be a socially awkward nerd from the beginning, even if he moves past that. In fact, I'd say that him being an awkward outcast is an utterly essential part of his backstory, as it's what leads him to arrogantly seek fame and fortune once the spider bite suddenly makes him powerful and special. Claiming it's just an invention of the adaptations is simply wrong.
He literally asks a girl out and asks his peers to go to the science hall with him. That's not social awkwardness.
the bigger question is why can't he take no for an answer
>the umpteenth time you're just not my type
like bro just ask someone else for frick sakes
Because Spider-Man doesn’t give up.
This was from ASM#7.
I repeat, how are Peter and MJ similar?
the way who said it argued "hot-tempered, flighty, motivated by guilt" and that's true. both feel very responsible for the aunts who adopted them. both use masks to hide their true selves in some way. both quintessential new yorkers. both quite invested in their careers. both horny and full energy in general. you could argue they have similar morals and sense of humor, but that depends on the writer.
MJ does quip a lot
Both specifically use humor as a defense mechanism.
No. Peter trash talks his enemies to let off steam. He just likes fricking with them.
Peter's hot tempered but isn't at all flighty. Other characters perceive him as flighty when he's just heading out to be Spider-Man.
>both use masks to hide their true selves in some way.
Peter uses a literal mask to hide his face, but is still very much Spider-Man as Spidey is Peter Parker. There's no separation. He's not Batman or Superman.
This all seems like you're reaching for similarities that aren't actually there. Nothing concrete really. The "similarities" you've listed can apply to other love interests as well. Say for example, Liz Allan.
Liz doesnt really have a mask, and the only family member that she has is her villainous stepbro.
And black cat has a literal one but her civilian life doesn't exist.
While gwen doesn't have any of that lol
It's not just the mask shit. Liz and Gwen can be just as hot-tempered as Peter. Gwen is a science major like Peter was at the time. Betty was quite invested in her career as well. Chat is a mutant so she's familiar with the double life thing. Same with Kitty Pryde.
But one has been replaced and the other has a kid with a brainwashed lover and goblin
The mask thing is important for a character whose central idea is that he lives two lives lol. Its not any of those traits, its the combination of all of those, PLUS history. none of them have it.
And those last two only apply to aus
If MJ changed, then the mask shit no longer applies. Yet Peter is still Spider-Man and still has his secret identity. So only he has the mask and not MJ anymore. In fact, she hasn't had the mask for far longer than when she did.
She doesnt put that front with peter, but its a foundational part of her life, and regardless of her profession it is a part of it too. And how she presents socially.
>And how she presents socially.
Then she didn't fricking change then. If Peter supposedly inspired her to change for the better, than she should be different in her social interactions as well. Not just Peter. She still has a fricking problem if she's the free spirited party girl with everyone else.
Peter inspired her to open up with someone, that being him, as well as to not abandon her family like she had done before. Not to not do so with anyone.
She presented herself at this free-spirited party girl. The question is if she still is that with others?
Stern hated gwen more than MJ if you wanna gobble his opinions like wiener, why don't you gobble that one?
Could've written her better. These characters aren't set in stone. Another writer can come along and develop these characters to be better.
Same applies for MJ
You'll get the same old-as-frick response from them everytime anon, it's a waste of time
Fellas, I've figured out how to resolve the Spidey love life problem:
Peter converts to Mormonism, gathers up all his love interests, moves to Utah and marries them all
I see you are a man of taste as well Peter Parker.
Who the frick is Roger Stern
A damn good writer, that's who
I think Stern is overrated. He was good but mostly because he was coming after the single least remarkable run on the character and did something.
Suppose they decide to reboot things back to the Ditko-era and instead of MJ and Gwen, they went back to Betty and Liz. Who’d work best for Pete? Reminder that the two were based on the Betty and Veronica dynamic from the Archie book.
Betty, undoubtedly. The only problem with her was that Spider-Man complicated things. Meanwhile, Liz was pretty much always just a b***h who maybe might've had a thing for Peter, but never actually did anything serious about him. I feel like Liz's "interest" in Peter comes out of a desire to frick around with Flash and Betty more than anything, because basically 90% of the time her interactions with Peter are just to piss one of those two off.
Liz actually was into Peter. She’d even later defend him whenever Flash tried to talk shit after she realized how great of a guy he was. It was Mary Jane that gave her cold feet in pursuing a relationship with Peter. She thought that he was going out with her and felt that she couldn’t measure up.
Reign 2 is happening
>radioactive cum gave mj powers
BASED
>drink up MJ then you can be spider poweded just like me!
>you got it tiger! *gulp* *gulp* *gulp*
>The most notorious Spider-Man story ever told...RETURNS
FRICK YEAH, SINS PASTWO!
Gilf MJ incoming
.....Why?
I think its an opposite au this time? Where peter died instead of MJ?
That sounds kinda dumb, tbqh.
But that would mean Peter's own radioactive semen killed him
>Reign 2
>Old Woman MJ hugs Peter's corpse cries about how sorry she is for making him eat his own radioactive Spider-Cum because she was into it
Jesus Marvel, you are a freak
I was thinking more
>"Peter I'm so sorry we didn't have sex regularly! I didn't know the backup in radioactive semen in your balls would kill you! I was just so tired.....you were the best....I'm so sorry..."
Huh, really? Odd choice. Reign works on its own perfectly fine.
Also that first page is kinda weird. Kingpin was already in the first Reign as a hunger-starved prisoner. I don't see him suddenly becoming that monstrosity, even if he survived the building and the vault he was imprisoned in getting blown up at the end of the story
They're just following the Dark Knight Strikes again trajectory of doing an edgy sequel that takes some liberties nearly 20 years later.
YOU A BIG MUFRICKA
>we storytime reign
>sequel is announced
Wow
Kino incoming
Smart Lowe move to have maryshittygays entertained while the plot keeps moving.
It's sad to see your brain deteriorating everyday slowly
lmao keep consuming and getting filtered
You're the one consuming asm.
Ill take any book that isnt dogshit
They don't call him Big Dick Lowe for nothing
He sure lowes some dicks.
No one calls him that, people just say he hates ben reilly.
More like gets them even more riled.
Reign 2 = Mary Jane becomes Spider-Woman
OK, I want to see this. However, if MJ is alive again, and somehow she got spider-powers, is she going to look young or old? I would prefer young, honestly.
Remember that in the original Reign story the Mayor won against Fisk in some kind of power struggle? Maybe this is an AU where Fisk won instead. I hope there's still Venom though.
Now mj lives but peter dies.
I wonder how Fisk winning leads to Peter dying instead of MJ. Maybe in the original Reign she got poisoned?
Could be that peter got her some isotope like in the master planner story, but then he died.
He ate his radioactive cum
It reminds me "Spider-Man: Bloodline", where after a long time thinking MJ died, Peter sacrifies himself to restore MJ (and she gains spider-powers) while he dies.
Maybe Fisk was underground during the whole Venom thing. I mean, he has always been a man to know when to retreat and when to strike, after all.
As for MJ, maybe Peter's radioactive fluids caused Mary Jane to enter into something like "The Other" transformation. You know, MJ gets into a cacoon and comes out a new.
Fisk was in the original Reign, and he was in such a sorry state he couldn't even eat solid food anymore.
Are you sure it was him? I have checked my issue, and Walters didn't say at any moment he was "Wilson" or "Fisk".
I think it's implied it's him.
I wonder, reign was made after spider-man 3 and during the leadup to OMD. I wonder how this will be different now
What if the symbiote bonded with MJ so they could both avenge Peter? That would explain her seemingly having spider-powers.
Yo wtf. Fricking weird this happened right after the storytime. Guess Kingpin is carnage in this sequel or perhaps AU?
If she gets a baller design that sticks (heh) like Spider-Gwen out of this, then that just goes to show she is synchronized with Peter's web fluid.
Also lol, the way they said notorious is funny because they are acknowledging it while also ignoring OMD which is far more notorious.
Seems to just be kingpin
Remember why we love Spider-Man. He is the veiled smile we all welcome, the old friend we never knew, and the person who stops in the middle in the street to say "Are you okay?". With the weight of the world on his shoulders, and at times literal buildings crushing him into the dirt, Peter Parker is the voice that says "Never again, never give up"
Ditko Peter looked like Grant Gustin.
WE ARE THE SPIDER-MAN PETER
I never liked MJ. She is just a bimbo with a chin shaped like an ass. What does she add to Spiderman?
Everything
It's evident you don't actually read Spider-Man when you can't even spell his name right
Go suck off Miles Morales.
>What does she add to Spiderman?
A good relationship dynamic and grounding
Unless you want Pete to just always be swinging and punching, in which case she adds nothing and he should date another hero.
>A good relationship dynamic and grounding
That isn’t unique to MJ. Other love interests could fulfill that role just fine.
Then why haven’t they? It’s been what, over 15 year since Omd? Why haven’t marvel been able to come up for a replacement for MJ?
BTFO'd them
Because the writers suck. And you need the exposure from other media to make it stick. People liked Peter and Gwen in the TASM movies.
Where she had the same role as ultimate mj.
No. Ultimate Peter and MJ knew each other since they were kids. They were best friends. TASM Peter and Gwen met in high school. She was also interning at Oscorp as a reference to her being a science major in the original comics.
it’s just nerds wanting to frick the popular girl that is hot and acts like a prostitute but in fact she’s not a prostitute and she’s just waiting for the nerd guy to make her believe in love kek
But, that's not the case?
Gwen?
MJ?
Felicia?
Liz?
Which one are you talking about?
Nothing
JMD thinks the soul.
fascinating levels of salt
Basically was her reaction
Actually this is the original
How did MJ manage to vacuum-seal her top to her body?
Not that I'm complaining
Because it’s a drawing.
How to make marvel seethe
Sauce?
Mr and mrs spider-man
Cute
Holy delusion
You should know by now it's you who lives on seething mode not Marvel
Might sound unfair but that's how it goes
You really can't say Marvel's not seething when they've spend a decade and a half trying to move MJ away from Pete, but the fans are having none of it.
They are
>Is that Peter and mj...married?!!!
>With a kid?!!!!
DONT YOU KNOW SPIDERMAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LOSER IN HIS 20S!!!
AIEEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME MEPHISTO
Mayday right?
Frenz is a good fit.
Reign 3, this time with Peter and MJ's daughter.
RYV bad ending?
RYV but intresting
I've finally seen the problem with RYV
There wasn't enough suffering for the Parkers.
Honestly it was just spider-girl lite. I don't think it ever had anything to itself that set it apart, outside of mj being a spider-too, but that only lasts for one arc novelty wise. Fun book still.
RYV's problem is that it's capeshit.
And by that I mean, there's literally nothing much more to it. Nothing grounding.
Basically, there’s no humanity to it and it’s just the superhero stuff.
I know this might sound weird, but I don't think Peter would ever allow an 8 y.o kid to help him in crime fighting. MJ? Sure, she's an adult. But Annie? She's a kid, one encounter gone wrong and she'll be traumatized for life.
How does this sound weird? That’s normal and perfectly on-brand for the family-minded Peter Parker. He’s supposed to be Mr. Responsibility. He would most definitely not allow his 8 year old child to fight crime.
That was one of my main problems with RYV. That and Peter killing an extremely OOC Venom.
peter wouldn't allow mj to help with the crime either. That's one of his flaws, he wants to do it solo and has his pride. He wants to protect his family, not the other way around. Especially it shouldn't have happened in RYV-verse, since it splits peter's power in two and there is more chance for peter to lose to his regular rouge
>who'd be a better match for him?
>Mary Jane isn't the one.
RE-ENTER. They can name the kid Peni Parker, heh.
Shut up Slott.
Peni Parker is Japanese also Cindy is mine.
Shut up, Peter.
Parker already has MJ
God so pretty.
kino
Honestly mj looks better with black suit spidey.
>verification not required
Paolo rivera is a gem
The Symbiote loves Peter no matter what he does.
I heard something about "Spider-Man: Reign" having a sequel. Can somebody confirm it?
Yep here.
I heard about some pages uploaded here, in Cinemaphile.boards. Where I can see them?
Here
Wait is fisk's assistant felicia?
Hmm are you referring to helfire gala?
No to reign 2.
I mean Stern is the best Spider-Man writer. So I agree with his take.
Anyway MJ is a fine gf but she really isn't adding anything to 'Spider-man" part of the character, only to "Peter Parker". The same goes for Gwen. The reverse of this is Black Cat. So he really would be better with a new gf
JMD and JMS both are better.
Stern is good, but he isnt that good.
Don’t know why people try to use Spider-Verse to justify the union between Pete and MJ when they aren’t even true to the books. Peter was always the family minded guy who’d go into a relationship with the intent to marry and have children. MJ was the opposite. So Peter B being so apprehensive about having children is incredibly OoC for most versions of the character. MJ had to go through a whole arc to be okay with being a wife and a mother, while Peter always wanted kids.
It’s almost like it an alternate universe or something.
Except the movie states Peter B’s world to be 616.
why did gwenschizo skip this thread? Is it cause the other schizos already here to shit up the thread?
You need to get better at spotting him
He was definitely ITT a little, just not too much for some reason. Maybe it's because discussion was actually really focused for once, so he couldn't hijack it or spam it as easily