This run has gotten to a point where you just roll your eyes at how low it can go of idiocy
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Anon, Spidey's been on 15+ years straight of utterly idiotic writing.
Did you forget the time when no one bothered to check Pete's brain when Doc Ock swapped bodies with him?
Didn’t they literally say at some point “someone check his brain?” And doc ock responded “oh no, not my heckin free willerino!” and so they didn’t?
Gwenbros. It's time!
Flash/Gwen is the only ship I'd want to see if they ever wanted to bring her back. Peter was a shit boyfriend and she'd get whacked with the dreaded editorial reset stick if she lingered.
>Gwenbros. It's time!
Hell yeah!
Lol keep your heads down you pathetic homosexuals.
Just stop reading it. It's that simple.
This. It's not gonna get better whether I like it or not.
No one is allowed to be happy. MJgays, Feliciagays, Gwengays, Incelgays, Haremgays. No one.
I mean actual boycott could get traction but the fandom is too divided.
It's not even that, there's just too many collectors that will always buy every issue
That combined with speculator baiting in general. Those are the only markets they need so why put in any effort? Win win for them if they can get royalties from a movie or some bullshit. We're seeing it now with Rek-rap and Spider-Boy.
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/54696/comic-sales-lag-weak-spring
Looks like stores are calling them out on it tho.
They broke up already? What was the point of all these months of teasing then? Was anything at all accomplished even?
Nick Lowe gets off on making Pete’s life awful.
Teasing? They were together but then they apparently broke up. You got some nice stories out of it.
Wells only wrote them as a couple in 3 issues.
That only speaks of his limitations as a writer.
So it’s a brief relationship.
3 months, 4 tops
>You got some nice stories out of it.
Name one
We told you this shit was going to happen.
Peter is just not allowed to stay happy and in a long relationship because they literally think that he must be miserable but you stupid fricks keep repeating the same Maryprostitute gays, Maryprostitutegays shit AND NOW THEY WILL DO THE SAME WITH BLACK CAT.
no offense but marywh0re is still one though?
Yeah i know it's still one obnoxious guy but seriously, a lot of us saw this shit coming from a long time ago, Peter is just not allowed to be in a long relationship with no one. Not MJ not Black cat but Felicia fans just keep insisting that "This was their moment, Marvel finally realized that Felicia was the best girl for Peter"
Like dude the Problem is not MJ or Felicia, Is the moronic Spiderman Editorial that keeps writing this shit.
This. I mean, I feel bad for the reasonable Peter/Felicia fans, who knew it would not last, but hoped to get some good stories or moments with the two. And honestly, this resolution is a lot better than it could had been - at least Felicia wasn't completely character assasinated.
and yet you bought it... have amerigays truly forgotten all about piracy?
These are pics from the other thread
So Wells has no idea what to do with Peter's life.
For a second it sounded like he at least had a plan.
Take a wild guess where he thinks any support for his run will come from.
Ok so this run isn't for Peter, instead they seem obsessed to make him unworthy of good things in life.
But he has shown growth since the run started? or at least made the first step towards?
>Take a wild guess where he thinks any support for his run will come from.
Exclusively from norman fans?
Not even, people like Paknadel and Cantwell stories, not his.
Gotta be honest, does anyone here is surprised? Because I'm not in the slightest, and I'm saying this not in a smart-ass way, is more about comics lame never ending the status quo.
It's a big loss because we as the readers can see the opportunities from an external universe. For the chars it looks like no feelings were hurt and at least that's something.
Anyone thinks the purpose of this run is teaching Peter something? As a wake-up call of sorts?
At minimum Peter should be aware he's in no condition to be with anyone as he is right now.
self-awareness is for manga only
It's the inverse of why they broke up originally. Peter wanted something serious, Felicia was wishy washy with the Peter/Spider-Man dynamic. Felicia wanted something serious/Peter isn't in the right headspace. Problem is we've gotten nothing from them in the relationship to hint at it.
So Wells wasted our time with Peter/Felecia just to tell us that they don't work. Something we already known for decades.
You'd have a point if their relationship was given focus. It was mainly on the backburner. We live in a time where mockingbird had more focus then black cat in ASM. Jesus
It's was a nothing relationship.
Is fricking anything developed in this run? Paul and the kids? Nothing characters. Peter/Felecia? Nothing. Kamala Kahn? Literally nothing. Norman being a good guy is the only thing that gets focus. And it's the one thing no one gives a frick about
Kamala dieing in asm, just to be resurrected in x-men...boggles the mind
I can't really blame Spidey office for this one. We all know it was the morons at both Marvel Comics and the stupid moron Kevin F that were pushing to MCUize Kamala so they just needed an excuse for it. Amazing Spiderman was just collateral in that transition.
They could have worked if he had the fricking desire to make it work. 95% of the time a ship fails it's because the writer is a shithead who didn't care about them in the first place and just wrote them together because he was throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticked.
Peter and Felicia are way too different to have a successful relationship with one another. It would never work no matter how hard they try.
the contrast is part of what makes them gr8
Damn shame wells couldn't even write it for like 4 issues.
Peter should be with someone who shares his values and interests. Not someone who’s the complete opposite of everything he stands for.
Yeah yeah heard it all before anon
PeterFel is arguably the greatest thing in Wells writer career but even a diamond like them needs care and writing behind, it just can't live of the fans goodwill and expectations.
>PeterFel is arguably the greatest thing in Wells writer career
i mean well yeah
but at least he didnt ruin them
he just dropped it because....? just because
Wells didn't even write them as a couple, other writers did the "work" and even they barely did anything with it
>this thing that had about six pages committed to it was the best thing ever
I don't know whether that says more about your standards or the quality of this run.
well that's the point he didn't take advantage of that huge gem on his hands
>Wasted our time
Weird definition of waste unless you actually expected Felicia and Peter to be together forever now/
Bruh Bobbi had more development.
Goddammit you are right.
MJbros…
Doubling down is insane. Any other creative team woulda backpeddled by now, but Wells and Lowe are hellbent on sticking to a status quo everyone hates.
>alienate the only defenders
Let's see if that pays off.
They are just with the grace of a drunk drug addict.
>Bad writers write bad stories with characters acting insane
I am also surprised by this development, anon. And after such high quality, coherent writing
See what pisses me off is trying to spin this as pathos/motivation for MJ to become a hero, and the illusion of drama. They weren't real, everyone hated this fricking story, and Marvel refuses to own up to the wasted time on bad ideas.
There IS something wrong with you, MJ. You gave up on Peter, who's too good for you
>There IS something wrong with you, MJ. You gave up on Peter, who's too good for you
>Peter
>too good for anyone
lmao
Can you be less cringe and less self insert when peter is the moron that sold his marriage for le old woman May?
Blame editorial for having him out of character.
And it's just the persona they gave to Not MJ decades ago.
Bro, clip and brush your nails.
So they are in love? Cool but should have been confirmed 12 months ago. And now she's gonna betray him before Christmas.
Doesn't really say that. Just that they are sharing a bed still (this is also before they move to aunt Anna's house in the annual) and are holding hands which we've seen before. But people will go ballistic over this and the felicia thing.
Mortal enemies United in hatred. To the bitter end.
Sorry to sound insensitivity anon but no. Gwen and Felicia are miles ahead better women than her so you're on your own.
Not in the universes where MJ is Peter's life/superhero partner and a great mother to all his children. While Gwen is dead or Felicia a bad mom.
Anon you’re delusional if you think they are not a couple
Of course they are couple othewise they would not be in bed together. heck MJ is even holding Paul's hand here. face facts MJ gays MJ is beyond doubt fricking Paul.
post partum depression run
We did that. And Peter and mj were able to heal because of their love. While here it's the opposite.
>break up Peter and Felicia
>double down on MJ and Paul in the same issue
They're flaunting how much they don't give a frick about the backlash. They're selling enough issues that they can keep writing these stories for themselves and not the people who are buying them.
Clip your nails, you disgusting moron.
I bet they smell like toenails.
>MAH CHEELDREN
Fricking terrible
See this proves beyond doubt That MJ is fricking Paul
You were dumb enough NOT to use ther spoiler hide feature. I take it you aware that you can get banned for posting international spoilers on Cinemaphile right? so in other words next time use the fricking spoiler hide feature or you will know will know happen. Do NOT do this shit again.
I am glad that MJ fricking Paul has been confirmed because from now MJ gays are going to be bombarded into oblivion very hard. You true suffering has only begun MJ gays.
Oh it's the gwen schizo ...
You saw MJ and Paul together and you saw them hold hands together now go deal with fricking reality moron. They clearly a couple that proves it.
Who said I was in denial, it's obvious.
Feliciagays got too wienery
nah peterbros were right, this was his opportunity to break free.
Who are peterbros?
Break free from what?
from the same boring cycle he seems doomed to repeat
Free of chasing the same c**t for the next 2 years until Paul gets killed off or surprise he was a villain. by 2025 it's the next break up because of cheating or maybe Paul left her pregnant or whatever. We all can almost see the misery that lies ahead for Peter on that route.
A bit exaggerated but not really
Spider-Man will be filled with shitty relationship drama (typically going back to MJ as she's the one and only) for the rest of time. This is a true statement regardless of who he's with. Believing that getting back together with Felicia would somehow change that is delusion.
The only thing that MIGHT signal the end of this shit is reinstating the marriage because that's at least them acknowledging a bad decision from years past and correcting it
Nah anon maryjane is a worthless no-character and what what you want is long forgotten by the office.
What comes next might be terrible though because it feels like a paul/mj cheating arc(s)
I just wanted to see them have fun since that was a key aspect in the relationship. A breather since eveything else in as.m was floundering. I knew the relationship had a shelf life but holy frick we didn't get anything close to that. Not even quality Felicia cheesecake
It's depressing because Kelly's shit was supposed to be the "fun" arc but ended up being dogshit too
>Not even quality Felicia cheesecake
The gravest sin of all.
Accurate
From editorial
>it's a "Peter gains self-awareness, breaks free from his own comic, and beats the shit out of his godawful writers who keep making his life crap" issue
That’d definitely be something that Ditko Peter would do.
>Who are peterbros?
People who think he can only really be happy with Felicia.
>Break free from what?
Being with anyone but Felicia.
Free from the hamster wheel of misery where he's stuck.
And with a partner that understand all aspects of his public and hero life, like Felicia in this case on point.
>And with a partner that understand all aspects of his public and hero life
?
Using a page from multiple decades ago when Felicia now has no issues with Peter's civilian life
You know quite a lot of development happened after that moment?
Quite a lot of something at least
The 80s were 40 years ago, amazing discovery anon!
Want something more recent?
Felicia was canonically mentally unstable because she knew her memories of Peter were missing.
She's always been mentally unstable, it's her most consistent character trait
When her memories of Peter were tampered with? You're quite the detective
Not me. I've been calling it since the kiss. I'm just glad the break up was amicable and Felicia's character didn't take a hit like I had feared. The only thing I didn't expect was for it to come literally out of nowhere, but that's Wells for you.
But lol @ soulmatesgay
This entire run is going to be retconned so hard in a few years.
Peter has not had a meaningful relationship with any characters in this run outside of Norman Osborn
Peter don't let her walk away. This is what happened to Gwen and she got killed because of you, you dumb nogger.
You know it’s funny, we’ve had single pete for over 15 years and I can’t think of a SINGLE good date story or decent new relationship that popped out of it? Wells never gave us ANYTHING with these two together either, so what’s the point of any of this?
>Felicia is now the one who wants to be serious and breaks up with Peter
expectations subverted!
For the other backups
>spider boy was created by Stilwells mom.
>ock wants to find a calculus he solved as superior
>kingpin ate the previous mayor in reign 2
>Mj becomes jackpot and says she finally understands the responsibility line
>Mj becomes jackpot and says she finally understands the responsibility line
Unbelievable
Doesn't MJ already know about Peter's responsibility? Wells really frickin hates her huh?
boy was created by Stilwells mom.
As in Farley Stillwell? Is she this Madame Monstrosity they been teasing as the one who made him?
>kingpin ate the previous mayor in reign 2
what?
Let's be real at this point how bad is this next arc of the spiderman who gobs.
YOU DID NOTHING WITH THIS RELATIONSHIP SINCE IT STARTED, MARVEL! WHY!?!?
Me personally. If I was the writer and I was forced to get Peter and Mary Jane back together (despite being a Peter-Felicia guy). I would have built up the Felicia and Peter relationship by having her fix him, making him smile, social, reminding him of his youth (Peter hasn't been out of college or highschool that long in-universe).
Felicia gets pregnant. Then gets murdered by a certain villain that sends Peter over the edge like Last Stand Spider-Man. Mary Jane breaks up with Paul and stops Peter from going on a rampage and knows what he's feeling in terms of mourning and they have a heart to heart talk that rekindles their relationship, slowly as they hold a funeral for the would be second girl in Peter's life.
The pushing of Felicia and making Peter a happier man would boost sales by a whole lot. Then killing her off would send the internet and comic world into overdrive with wanting to buy the issue and discuss it.
>Felicia gets pregnant. Then gets murdered
God no, stop that's too much and not in the way you want it to be. There's a million different angles on tragedy you could take that doesn't fridge the character. Maybe she's blackmailed into committing worse and worse crimes behind Peter's back because someone figured out their identities and its her fault somehow and it comes to a head after Felicia has done something unforgivable with good intentions.
Something like that where she retains agency but fricks up bad enough that it ruins the relationship.
I'm just following the direction Marvel wants man. Felicia out, Mary in. If you kill her, her legacy will be finalized and preserved.
>Felicia dying for Peter
No thanks bro, leave that for lesser girls.
It’s almost impressive how this run feels like it treats Felica worse than Mary Jane at times.
Still now that both of his main love interests are out of the picture.
It’s time for him to get with his true soul mate. Ms Marvel
Felicia is still the highlight of this and 3 past runs. The problem is Peter and that lack of direction in his life.
Who do you think this comic is written for any more? Because it’s to steeped in lore to want to bring new readers in and it’s to insulting to think it can maintain old readers. Why do the editors and owners of the IP hate it so much?
Did it? Felicia was hardly present and actually acted like her character pre omd sex friends bullshit.
It only treats Felicia "worse" in the sense that she is massively underutilized. But that's a good thing when the writer is Wells.
Exactly
>his true soul mate
>Biologically made to have sex with Peter and produce offspring.
Cindy sisters it's time to fulfill the destiny. heh.
Hasn't been a thing for a long time and Cindy is in a worse state of being redundant
It was a joke post, you autists. I like making fun of Silk and the whole point of her existence is being a cum dumpster for Peter and she couldn't even deny it in her own comics. That shit will never not be funny.
I barely pay attention to her at all outside of slott's spiderverse which was shit. Also that pheromone thing is kinda the only lasting trait she has to her character
Cindy has much chance as Gwen's corpse rn.
>Cindy has much chance as Gwen's corpse rn.
Uh... Isn't there a Peter unironically fricking Gwen's corpse in one of the comics?
>Asians are to be submissive to white supremacy
Uhh... This ain't the board for this
It's okay, Pete isn't white, he's israeli. israeli supremacy is perfectly kosher.
Marvel doesn't have the balls to bring back how fricky they were at the beginning. Even Slott is backpedalling on that shit.
homie this entire run might as well be called BND2
Expect some pet OC from Wells to pop up and totally be Pete's real love until the next writer shows up
Carlie Cooper you won't be missed
This run is more infuriating than Tom King's Batman. You know what they share but Spider-Man ultimately does worse? WASTE READERS FRICKING TIME. Things just....happen. It's bad enough the stories are bad, but nothing meaningful comes from them. Frick, they can't even backpedal right either!
>Kids aren't real just like you wanted!.......Except now MJ won't shut the frick up about them and grieves. Happy?
Why the hell is Paul even still here? Are they a romantic couple or not, because they can't seem to decide on this now. What the hell was the point of the Felicia relationship with Peter if it doesn't read and different than their friendship nor move forward in any way?
But ignoring relationship drama and characters that are just cutouts, what the frick was the point of sinless Norman, or Otto's recent story? The former isn't a character arc because we know how Sin-Eater's powers work and we're just waiting around, whereas Otto....is just pissed and wanted to show off his new toy? What's the point of the OSCORP suit Peter is wearing?
Man for real, I would never understand how spider-man being THE marvel flagship character, never got good editors and writers, is like if marvel deliberately try spider-man to suck.
Why is it so hard for marvel bros? And I'm making this question in a super serious way.
Does modern writers ever try to make a good story? I fell them and modern editors always try to make controversial stuff just to attract readers and make agendas.
The mj controversy in general is what comes to mind.
Like knowing the death of superman was just a publicity stunt where even writers a and editors that were interviewed laughed at how stupid people were for believing supes was death at all and how they just did it to make a lot of money.
You know what I think? Micromanaging and a long list of editorial dos/donts that does jack shit for writers. No wonder no one wants to hop on the book. Just look at the other Marvel titles no one cares to oversee
>Ghost Rider
>Moon Knight
>Doctor Strange
They're all entertaining because higher ups aren't paying attention
You forgot good ol' daredevil.
Ehhhh Zdarsky's run is all over the place
>Like knowing the death of superman was just a publicity stunt where even writers a and editors that were interviewed laughed at how stupid people were for believing supes was death at all and how they just did it to make a lot of money.
Man, I saw a documental about that, it was so infuriating.
how Americans comics since the 90's stopped caring about content and started to just caring for money without quality in general.
Since I saw that documental I never respected the big 2 in general.
Almost all famous superheroes became brands, and nothing else.
Think about the mickey mouse case for example.
I am now fully expecting MJ to have an affair with Peter. It will be bad and suck ass, but this book has completely lost its fricking mind. What little it had before
So did Slott get that adjectiveless Spidey book because Lowe wanted a smokescreen to this shit ASM run? Because it's not working. In fact I don't even know if we can consider Slott's book canon at this point. No one acknowledges or even cares about it
>Canon
>In comics
You make me laugh, anon.
The recent adjectiveless run was just an excuse to push another Spider-Verse story out the door and introduce Spider-Boy.
Kitty will marry Peter as it was always meant to be
Mutants need to go away
>Kitty
One of the few things Bendis did right. Although it wouldn't make sense in 616 but meh, if Peter Quill can marry her so can Spidey.
Honestly.
At some point just drop all the relationship drama and have Peter just adopt a kid for an run or two.
Least adoption gives Marvel an easy chance to not feel like the character is forcefully aged up with something permanent and full on committing while people get to see Peter put in a role where he’s got to be more mature.
Then editorial can just sacrifice the kid to the devil or something when they wanna reset the status quo again.
Spiderboy?
Could work. Have Peter take up an actual stand in father figure role for a bit. Then you can milk it for that premium drama editorial wants with having other characters questioning his father figure skills. But I’m just spitballing
You don't know?
Reminds me that the gang war team up is
>Elektra
>Shulk
>Spider-Woman
>Miles
And Peter. None of his hype allies and you would think Felicia would be involved in an event called gang war
Well jackpot confirmed.
>No Daredevil (real)
>No member from the Avengers that he's actually worked with (i.e. Hawkeye or even someone like Luke)
>No Moon Knight
>No Felicia
What were they thinking? They bill a huge event that spans four fricking months with a bunch of no names that Peter never interacts with while simultaneously shitting on the people he does (FF)
Wells is leaving in 60 right?
We know his run is at least going up to sixty issues, but I'm not getting my hopes up until we get an official announcement that #60 is the final issue of this run. Even then, we'll still probably still have Lowe shitting things up.
MJbros and Feliciasisters fricking lost…
Bettychads it’s our moment!
How are they gonna handle Elektra in Gang War? Last time she was about she was actively fighting against The Avengers, including Spider-Man.
How likely is it that Wells just ignores all of that and just uses Elektra as girl-Daredevil?
Post the virgin vs chad thing. Never been more true.
Peter is like fricking 26 years old. Why in the absolute frick do you guys want him to be married (or in a serious relationship) and have kids. When someone his age should be out living their life, having fun, seeing the world, and doing other things with his life? He shouldn't be chained down.
We want stability in his life and to grow the frick up you moron
You can have stability without a wife and kids along with happiness.
Anon he's fricking Spider-Man. What more action or excitement does he possibly need in life? He wants the simple things that you and your dumbass takes for granted. Spidey isn't just the heroics, but the bonds he forges. Take your movie bullshit elsewhere
>He wants the simple things that you and your dumbass takes for granted
Being without superpowers isn't something I take for granted.
Him about to propose to mj in Spencer's run.
> simple things
He's been like that for the past 15 years and it's been ass
He should be happy, and he should have some fricking idea of what he's doing in life.
Not to mention the fact that all of his friends have started families so it's depressing as frick seeing Peter being a lonely, sad sack of shit
>Not to mention the fact that all of his friends have started families
They end up dead or traumatized
what issue is that from?
Spectacular Spider-Man 240
Guys, I found Joe Quesada, he's trolling on Cinemaphile.
Because what have they done with a single pete that they couldn’t do with him married? What have we gotten in 15 years that NEEDED him to be single? What did wells do with Felicia in these YEARS he’s had them together again? Seriously what’s the point of any of this beyond attempting to tank the IP?
Yeah. It's like a swatting. Just don't react. Don't kvetch and moan on social media. Don't make clickbait youtube videos. Just don't react. Comic sales are already in the shitter. So, don't have to do much more there. Just don't give them the free press and publicity. This shit will absolutely fade away once they don't even have the "we're standing up to BIGOTS!!" angle to fall back on.
I think they expected that dome comicsgate crowd would be the blend of hate they could say lmao bigot. It ended up with them holding a bag of pr shit from both sides.
At 26 ideally you've already been married for eight years and already had 3-5 kids. Realistically you should've been married for a year now with at least one kid (at least cause twins and stuff happen) either here already or on the way. Anyone who wants you to put off having kids wants you to miss your chance completely.
>Realistically you should've been married for a year now with at least one kid (at least cause twins and stuff happen) either here already or on the way
What you say doesn't reflect reality at all.
Peter is at least 30 by now idiot. Hell, going by Marvel time rules he should be 33.
Different strokes I guess. I turned 26 here recently and have no interest in any of that shit, just want someone to ride life out with. Whether or not it's right for Pete is arguable, but that's not in everyone's blood at all.
Reminder that Peter was absolutely serious about Betty and was going to propose to her after revealing he’s Spider-Man.
That and he cucked Ned. Betty left him to be with Peter. They fricked yet Ned still took her back. Thing is, Betty actually settled for Ned as she actually wanted to be with Peter. Ned tried to explain it away as her being “confused” when the truth is, she just wasn’t into him like that. She still wanted Peter.
Pete's 28 at least.
He was bitten at 15, and has been running around as Spider-Man for 13 years according to this page.
Peter was 17 and in his senior year of HS.
It was stated to be sixteen before that, and then fifteen after that.
The original run had him in high school with no breaks. It might as well have been a single year. He was there until they decided to graduate him.
The original run was year for year real time to comic time and it took him a little over 28 months to graduate. 15 or 16 makes the most sense
Stan stated that Peter was older than Betty when they got together. She was 16/17. Pete was 17/18.
They said a few months older, they could both be 16 for all we know
Pete’s a senior at this time. Pic related from the letters page for ASM#12.
Issue 12 is one year after the main book started so he would indeed be around 17 at that time
>The original run was year for year real time
Any proof for that?
Have you never read it? Pete stopped aging in real time in the early 70s it’s why after being created in 62 he’s out of high school in 65 and has his bachelors in 69
Peter graduated college in the 70s. 1978 to be specific.
Originally, 60s Marvel was all about "the world outside your window" and the characters/series progressed pretty quickly in what was more or less real time. Spider-Man left highschool after about 2 and a half years IIRC, and Mr Fantastic and the Invisible Girl got engaged and married within around three years of the FF having started.
Then, as Marvel got more popular and more developed as both a company and creative, the problem arose of how to handle multi-issue stories, and how to keep these series going without the characters getting too old or reaching an end point for their development. So, around about 1968, Stan Lee came up with the idea of 'Marvel Time'. The comics no longer had to take place in near-real time, which allowed them more space to breathe and the potential for keeping the series going for longer. It's why Franklin Richards took much longer than nine months to be born, and why Peter spent far longer in college than he ever did in high school.
Eventually the idea of Marvel Time developed/twisted even further into the concept of the 'illusion of change,' which is a whole other can of worms and a large part of the reason why Spider-Man is in such a fricking mess right now
Pete's 30, then.
frick off joe
Shut up he gotta be older than me shut up....I CAN'T BE OLDER THAN HIM!!
Gonna guess Paul/MJ is gonna be a nothing relationship as well considering its already been a lot of nothing and how little anything else gets developed.
You know what I want but won't happen? Peter getting angry at MJ if she tries to patch things up.
>"Now?.....NOW?! You gotta be kidding me. MJ, I went through hell to bring you home, I alienated every ally I had and ran myself ragged for you. But then you moved on, years for you that was days for me, building a new life without even talking to me because it was easier FOR YOU. Then in some cosmic irony when I FINALLY pick myself up, let you go....you decide now is a good time to talk and maybe start again? No. I don't think that's the responsible or healthy thing for me right now."
He's friendly with her in the annual lol
You didn't even finish the first sentence
Peter would have an idea of what he wants in life he gives up being Spider-Man and moves the frick out of New York City. You can't be a Hero and a Family Man unless you're rich.
>You can't be a Hero and a Family Man unless you're rich.
Luke Cage and a dozen other heroes prove you wrong
Harry Osborn? Children
Eddie Brock? Children
Venom? Children
Mary Jane? Fake children
Characters I’m forgetting? Children
Peter Parker? Broke ass b***h with no wife or kids
Isn't Dylan lost in time or something like that? Symbiote shit has gotten into Manga territory of frickery
He got better (and edgier).
Did he visit the 90s?
Did he ever leave the 90s?
Actually, I think it was just Eddie lost in time and he also got better.
Betty has a baby, and Liz is essentially single mom of two. Like, the only classic supporting characters without kids are... I guess Randy (who is getting married) and J Jonah Jr?
Dude, fricking BEN got a girl who won't give up on him and he's changed into a schizo goo golem with a terrible costume.
>he's not ready to have any relationship
still the best woman in his life by A LOT telling him not what he wants but what he NEEDS to hear
something has to change in Peter, pronto
You don't need a married Peter.
You don't need a single Peter.
Peter doesn't need a relationship at all.
He just needs to be Spider-Man.
You do need Peter though, you can't just have only Spider-Man stories. And to have Peter, Peter needs to have friends, which he doesn't because they've all been taken by other books and when they do show up they're wildly out of character
>Peter needs to have friends.
What the frick are you talking about? Peter's rise to fame as Spider-Man (Comic and Real Life) started with him being a friendless nerd.
He needs a fricking side cast that includes friends even shit ones.
>this take is just moronic.
Ok not explicitly friends but he does need a supporting cast, and they need to act in character. Also this isn't awkward teenage incel Peter, this is a fricking adult man in his mid 20s, he shouldn't be some friendless loser
This is from ASM#7, when Peter was still in high school.
Please stop working at Spider-Office, whoever you are.
Yeah that always turns out really well for people, doesn't it? Usually leads to the birth of a supervillain.
I mean Peter most likely would have turned into a villain or the world's biggest dick if it wasn't for his Uncle being a good person.
Pretty much the path Doc Ock took.
Yeah, and that worked BACK THEN
It doesn't work that well now because we have decades of build up
You wanna do friendless nerd Spider-Man, go create a new universe
Emphasis on the word "started"
Even in the original Ditko stuff it was pretty clear that becoming Spider-Man gave Peter the impetus and the confidence to start coming out of his shell
Who is the dark haired dude supposed to be?
Vin Gonzales, Peter's room mate from BND who Wells and Lowe apparently forgot joined a Green Goblin gang in prison and was told to frick off by Harry
Thanks Anon.
Thats why I got confused. Guy was a corrupt cop who joined a goblin gang in prison. And that gang was implied to be some white nationalist thing too iirc. He was clearly supposed to be antagonistic.
That's the first time he's been seen since Harry tazed him, and he doesn't say or do anything. They clearly just couldn't think of anymore supporting cast members to add so they picked someone they remembered from BND without thinking
Yeah because Spider-Man isn't supposed to be relatable at all to the reader.
I can definitely identify with being a super-powered being.
Then stop writing bad relationships for peter.
This is the sort of mentality that is leading to all of his civilian associates becoming superheroes and supervillains. Non-stop Spider-Man was a taste of things to come. No interest in anything that doesn't involve fighting crime or saving the multiverse.
this was written by someone that thinks going to therapy is virtuous and everybody should do it just because
it's like those girls on dating apps that say green flags are men that go to therapy
you need to recover from your trauma!!
frick man, how much trauma are you gathering in your average mundane life that you need to pay someone to listen to you whine about it?
that's what the bar is for, have a drink and lighten the frick up
So now the Gwengay is playing the "Peter doesnt need anyone" card
So only Gwen is destined to be with Peter in the afterlife
>Defeats Spider-Man
>Was his best friend before anyone else.
>Takes his first time as well.
>Gets away with everything.
I hope he returns.
I got molested and never told anybody. I think that's probably why to this day I hate gays so much, my blood boils every time I see one of their kind knowing what they do
>I got molested.
Did you spit or swallow?
Been reading Spider-Girl instead of this and I'm having a good time ngl
Good decision.
Glad you're enjoying it.
I feel sorry for the fans of Peter x Felicia fans who were polite about it, the ones who recognised how bad this run has been, and for anyone who likes Felicia for who she is and not who she's dating. However, I am immensely pleased that the ones who were obnoxious c**ts about it, the ones who kept harping about them being soulmates, and the ones who called themselves "Peterbros" only while he was dating Felicia are eating shit right now.
Pettiness aside, this is embarrassingly awful even by the incredibly low standards this run has set. I don't know whether Lowe or Wells is to blame for this, but they both need to get the boot.
Shut the frick up, b***h. Nobody asked .
Peter and Peterbros are the ones losing here.
Peterbros have been losing since 2008
Everyone says Superior was good tho
>yo, what if we break up Peter and MJ so he can hook up with all the other girls after his dick?
>yeah, but let's make it in a way that makes it clear Peter is a huge cuck
>Okay, he hooks up with Felicia so fans will be happy about that
>Oh shit, making Peter a huge cuck has made the fans mega angry. We need more Paul so they get Paul is a great guy
>Let's put in more X-Stuff in the book. That's the thing that's working out so great for all our other titles. that way you won't be able to read this book unless you're up to date on your krakoa lore
>Shoot, out brilliant ideas aren't working
>better break up Peter and Felicia. That will solve the problem.
It’s intentional, it HAS to be. They just hate you and want you to suffer because they own this thing and you don’t. The only way to win is not to engage.
Yeah remember how well that worked for them during Secret Empire
Spoiler: It went very badly to the point where Disney intervened
Is there anything about how Disney intervened?
Gonna call up Marvel editorial and pitch them putting Mary Jane and Felica together for the luck jokes around the names Jackpot and Black
Now that it's all nearly said and done, what was Wells' masterplan before it all went sour? Where did he envision ASM would be by now? With his glacial pace on a bimonthly book, even without the backtracking he'd still be so far behind in schedule that I can't imagine a point to all this. Did he expect the side books to introduce plot lines for him to pursuit?
It's honestly shocking how little has happened. I look back on this run, and it feels so damn empty.
It took 20-25 issues to find out what Peter did. It turned out to be nothing except for being a testing ground to push Mary Jane/Jackpot as a hero and kill Kamala so she could be a mutant.
Then the next few things of note we know is that it’s just setting up so some other writer can do Superior Spider-Man 2, while resetting the status quo on Norman again and then Peters love life again.
I wouldn’t be surprised by issue 60 that the only major thing that happens to Peter this whole run is that he dated Felica for a hot minute, lost his old girlfriend who he saw as a sister to Gordon Freeman, gets sad over Norman and then maybe remembers his clone is evil now and in hell jail again
>Remembers his clone is evil now.
1. Speaks volumes about Peter as a person to turn evil.
2. Peter should keep this forgotten along with Ben.
>It took 20-25 issues to find out what Peter did.
The worst part is, most people had figured how roughly what happened about a dozen issues before the actual reveal, if not even earlier than that
It's amazing that the two "biggest" parts of the run (Dark Web and the Mystery Box) did literally nothing for Peter as a character.
Dark Web basically just set up some new mutie status quo with Limbo in New York and made Hallow's Eve a thing (while keeping Ben character assassinated) while Peter does literally nothing in the story itself.
The Rabin shit likewise did nothing except for making Kamala a mutie and kick start this Jackpot shit. Once again Peter doesn't actually have anything to do in the story's resolution
Maybe for Peter to show some backbone and actually asks Felicia to stay with him at the end of the run? Very very longshot i know.
This is somehow the opposite the Spencer run which had a million stories with no time to breathe but in this case it's overly long drawn out stories that somehow also still have no time to breathe.
so after this there's anyone that still cares about upcoming arcs?
I bet greenlighting Reign 2 was Marvels attempt to ease the backlash from ASM to that book, but really its gonna end with people enjoying Reign 2 and continue to hate on ASM.
I'm not gonna enjoy SHIT
So whats next for this book? MJ as Jackpot, Paul still being there, Peter going evil.
All of which I fully expect to have very little happening and have underwhelming conclusions.
A gazillion months of gang war, I believe.
>Peter going evil.
I expect Peter to be evil for 5 issues of the arc, until it’s revealed that Ben Riley broke out of Jail and framed him as evil with the current writing
I want out of Wells' wild pottery slam.
I'm thinking Zeb Wells comic writing career is over
He probably won't want to write a main series like ASM again, but he may still be happy to write side books that have fewer eyes on it. Or maybe you're right and he commits himself to writing for TV shows and movies after this.
Why did they keep MJ in the books for all these years if they were never going to get back together?
Cus Marvel likes to tease fans and they know how much pull she has.
A better question is why not just have them stay a couple and avoid all the bs
Zeb just told me all of his big plans for the run. Paul dies to save Peter which serves as a big turning point where Peter starts changing things for the better. Peter and MJ get back together. Peter and Ben team up to stop Norman (evil again) and Superior Spider-Man team up as the run's climax. Ben gets his memories back from Superior Spider-Man. He and Jeanine frick off happily ever after.
Wells here.
This is fake. The actual ending is Paul sacrificing himself to take a blow for Mary Jane who Goblin Norman attacks to try and drive Peter insane. In the end Peter unable to beat this new Goblin Norman is saved by the angry mourning Jackpot who finally kills Norman. Peter realising what a bad hero he actually is, takes off the mask and thinks to himself. Spider-Man, what a joke, before getting 777 tattoo’d on his forearm in honour of New York’s new saviour
Lowe and Marvel would never allow that.
I want to believe you optimistic anon
I guess the MJ jackpot mini is dead on arrival if Paul is in it.
Someone should murder Zeb Wells and drag him through the streets for this shit.
Even the backup barely writes the dude he doesn't even speak, just holds hands in bed lmao. He's legit a prop character, cause they want to randomly either build him up for a tragic death or villain arc.
They will meet at the wedding and then this scene happens at the end
OP pic comes next
Oh peter we lost our old toxic dynamic, guess we have to break up.
peter really should just hold her hand and not let go at this scene. would elevate wells by about 2 tiers.
Yeah if anything else it could give him agency.
Why isn't she wearing shoes
right hand
So I can lick her feet
>5'10”
She's a big woman
For you.
Woah for real? Peter is letting escape something really good right here. It's a sad day for all fans that were rooting for him to pull through.
Uh huh...this is reasoning is super contrived
Why does Zeb think it's good to point out that the characters are nonsensically going through the motions for a contrived relationship that goes nowhere
Maybe Mackay will just hook them up again once he writes another Black Cat mini.
Wasn't he the one who had Felicia say that she was content with being Peter's friend? Did the Dark Web mini he wrote start with her acknowledging that she'd gone back on what she said?
As a big supporter of Peter and MJ, I really don't want this run to end with the two of them getting back together as if none of this ever happened, and I fear that's exactly what will happen. They need time for this to blow over, and it would make both of them look bad if they hooked up again right after she was in such an intimate relationship with another man.
>the Emissary
I don't like how they're pushing that as Rabin's villain name. It makes me worry he'll come back somehow.
This is a legit contender for all-time worst ASM run.
I feel sorry for Bronfman. This mini doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
Mackay is a huge shipper of the two and just had Felicia give up on Peter when Spencer was setting up a new marriage with the ring and everything.
Mackay did that during beyond. So after the marriage thing.
Do you think the guy writing backups and side stories gets to pick who Spider-Man is dating? Every time his Felicia stories intersected with Spider-Man arcs she'd be admitting she wasn't over him, flirting with him, or being envious of MJ.
No. I'm just saying Mackay likes felicia sleeping with different men and women and did everything he could to make her do shit untied to peter.
Felicia has hooked up with exactly one other character over the course of all his minis and they broke up between issues.
MacKay also set up Felicia collecting the Infinity Stones to achieve the "miracle" save/resurrection of Peter when he was comatose 2 years ago.
In the end was changed to May asking Otto a favor.
Point is we fans ain't privy to where the writer and editorial's visions collide.
i remember they switched that to her mother's cancer on final chapter but you're prolly right the intention was clear
Honestly the first thing I want from the next run is a giant retcon.
Another time skip anon
Postin the entire jackpot backup cause frick wells and lowe
Still love how present day Paul went from average looking guy to vegan, ponytail-wearing gymbro
I love how they can’t even come up with a good reason for them to break up other than Wells couldn’t be asked to not write them together like he hasn’t for the entire run lmao.
>they can’t even come up with a good reason for them to break up
because there's none, honest.
so much fun stuff could be done with peterxfelicia....
but at least it's good to see no anguish or despair in their faces.
It’s all just so flaccid it’s fricking insane. A ton of the shit people are mad at are due to Editorial but the story itself doesn’t even wanna try doing anything interesting/good for long enough to be worth the time wasted. Ms Marvel death sucked and was undone immediately, What did petter do??? Nothing bad he was just kind of a dick to people who immediately forgive him, Paul? He’s a fricking nobody who has nothing at all going for him aside from the fact that he committed genocide and no one cares for some reason
Ah, yes, good idea, let's refer to the fact that the whole "relationship" between MJ and Paul is based on them being isolated for years, having to rely on each other for survival. That was such a good idea in the first place.
Since when the hell were MJ and the three little shitty OCs in a safe house??? Did I just miss something?
Paul took them to a safe house at the beginning of the arc. It's something they set up in case Rabin returned.
I think they mean the time she spent being in the destroyed dimension. Where they were the only living humans around, and hiding from the big bad whoever.
Jesus Christ, this entire thing is so tone-deaf. They also look 15.
Hold up, MJ and BC vol 2? Since when does a oneshot issue count as an entire volume?
What MJ SHOULD be saying is
>”I pushed Peter away, sacrificed what Iove most to try and do the right thing, and now have nothing”
>piss off peter/mj fans
>piss off felicia/peter fans
>piss off ock fans
>piss of tombstone fans now
>piss off eddie brock fans
>piss of ben reilly fans
>piss off hobgoblin fans
>piss of flash Thompson fans
It's impressive
I'm waiting till they get to
>piss off bob iger
Who's next
What do they do to Tombstone? He was my favorite part of this run
The most hated Marvel series right now has
>A white male writer
>A white male protagonist
>Zero culture war outrage baiting
>Isn't a legacy character
Gotta admit, I'm impressed
It is offensive to people on both political sides.
You forgot pissing off Kamala fans.
It also sounds like they'll manage to somehow piss off madame masque fans
I’m surprised they haven’t found a way to piss off Gwen Stacy fans.
Gwengays are like Milesgays - wanked off for no reason at all. They will never get the amount of shit Peter and all the rest get, but it also means they don't have any remarkable stories as well. It is what it is.
>Spider
>Cat
Was this written by Tom King or something?
hey at least MJ and Felicia are still gal pals
maybe there's still hope for that ship lol
Oh god the glowing eyes make it look even worse
Enter The Slot
Euuuggh.
>Trying to be a superhero while also being extremely depressed
I'm sure this will go extremely well!
Maybe it's the way I just tuned out of this whole outrage bait day one so I'm not as invested in MJ's ruining, but goddamn, this premise of mourning fake kids and then going on a power fantasy while spouting your ex's mantra is so depraved and inhuman on a primal level. It's not just me, right? This is sickening.
Hopefully that is the point they wanted to make, hopefully.
The artist didn't get it in that case.
The message seems to be their relation is permanently tainted, but it's seriously misplaced in this tone and time, puts MJ in a terrible place as a person.
Well, yeah, but I'm more concerned about how unhinged this entire setup and MJ's context are. If this was a competent writer given room to breathe you could introduce the concept, have her process the absurdity, scoff at the suit, maybe even get mad at Paul and in the process develop his character a bit, make her witness an indignity with another family and force her into action in true Watson fashion, I don't know, just... don't write characters as sociopaths. These themes really got me imagining how much more graceful JMD would be.
Really could have just happened on one of the 30 X-books, have her caught in a crossfire and make Cyclops feel guilty. Or hell, make something happen in Miles' book for once, they got history.
That's actually a pretty good idea, alas acknowledging Sins Past and its retcon seems to be a sensitive topic at Marvel, much like Punished Norman trying to reach out for corrupted Ben is a gold mine of a concept that's out of reach by their refusal to own Clone Saga in its entirety.
Jmd had mj and Peter grieve mayday togheter ultimately becoming better people and having an even deeper relationship. It's funny co contrast it with here where the relationship is just the two being depressed and holding hands once while avoiding all contact.
They also had a chance to bring up the fact that the kids being Chains Tailor made for Mary Jane and weren’t actually real at all so whatever love MJ and Paul had were completely fabricated by Rabin but didn’t so MJ can be sad and Felicia can make her not think but just saying “they were different”. MJ is depressed cause her NPCs got deleted from a corrupted save
I'd imagine this is stupid shit wells is saving his run is probably guarantees an arc post her series. Idk if he really wants to but he might be told hey we don't need paul anymore kill him.
I see the manthra thing as their twisted way of trying to give petermj fans a bone. But they're morons.
>shitty costume
>pointless story
>jarring tone shifts
>nonsensical character motivations
Yep, it's modern Spider-Man time
I honestly think Dark Web has the worst case of tonal whiplash I've ever felt in a single storyline
cant wait for them to give her a One More Day since every Spider-Man character follows uncle bens advice and makes deals with mephisto
WHERE THE FRICK IS THE MYSTERIO RETCON
Spider-Man has always been a bad soap opera
How could anyone read this garbage?
Sunk cost and because I hate myself
It keeps getting posted here and I have no self-control.
You're not gonna know it's garbage unless you read it. The REAL question is why people keep fricking buying it. Half of Marvel's defense about this run boils down to "well it still sells well so any criticism is just a vocal minority and not worth listening to"
Thankfully, I think Cinemaphile anons just read it on the storytimes here.
Spider-goblin can still save this run, I can feel it!
GTFO HERE WITH THE SPIDER WHO GOBS.
>no one wants to see that shit.
House of ideas
Y'know
this would be a good point for MJ and Norman to have a chat. So they can discuss their fake kids. I feel like it's right there and no one is taking advantage of that, instead giving us Paul and whole lotta nothing
If that happened we would get another Kindred in a few years that will definitely undo OMD this time bro.
The more I think about what you just said suddenly made me think about the possibility of Norman & MJ fricking for one night & all he'll breaks lose
I a fine with this possibility in fact I want Norman & MJ fricking each other to become canon. I want her to be a bawd all the way.
Maybe Zeb should stick to writing Doc Ock: Year one type of stories. He should probably do one with Lizard or MJ.
Why would you want him to write either of them.
I liked Shed and I also think it would be funny for Zeb to do a Mary Jane: Year one.
We've already got MJ's backstory, on three separate occasions. One by DeFalco, one by Conway, one by Busiek. All three are better than anything Wells could possibly hack together
Shed was fricking terrible
To each their own.
If Felicia was my mom things would be different around here
Is there anyone who can tard wrangle editorial?
Shooter or Defalco
COME BACK JIM WE NEED YOU
Why does Peter even associate with Black Cat? He’s supposed to be Mr. Responsibility. Black Cat’s a thief and a criminal. He shouldn’t be flirting with her or giving her any leeway.
It's better when she just steals from other criminals.
Why does everything keep getting worse
Gwen wasn’t his first love. Why do they keep ignoring Betty?
Where does this come from?
It's from Hickman's bit in Amazing Fantasy #1000
Do Randy and Janice get married though?
I haven't seen anyone confirm what happens with them, but I fully expect Janice to focus on holding down the fort and pursuing revenge for her father, leading to her relationship with Randy falling apart.
Why still continue to talk about Spiderman?. they want this bad publicity.
Zeb blink twice if Lowe is holding you hostage.
Lmao, loving it.
I hope someone pulls a Nicky Cavella with Gwen's corpse so everyone could be miserable.
At this point I harbor no delusion that this run could get even remotely good so let it burn. Let it all burn.
>Nicky Cavella
My fellow Punisher enjoyer.
gwen fans don't exist
Wrong
Comics are for nerds. Get your Spider-fix elsewhere cause this shit ain’t getting any better.
Pipe down, homosexual.
I'm tired of Spider-Man being fricking relationship drama bullshit, have it be in the background aka married and not much said about it or have not be there at all single and not looking for b***hes, this shit getting fricking old.
Too many people out there think a good healthy relationship is “boring”. Everything has to have problems to these people.
This more boring, I rather it be like it was when I was a kid just have MJ and Peter be married and nothing said about it or like MJ is thought to be dead run where Peter completely removed from romance.
Felicia and Peter have a healthy relationship and it's the opposite of boring. Wells just couldn't handle it.
>Felicia and Peter have a healthy relationship
How?
stop speedreading
That doesn’t answer my question.
It does actually
Man Spidey hasn't had a good artist in years, everyone been there done that, bad or just bland and boring.
This is the worst run of Spider-Man. Worse than the Clone Saga.
Clone Saga was actually good though
If Peter had enough self respect, he would NOT take MJ back.
Just reboot the damn thing already. Reset it all back to Ditko-Lee. Give me Spider-Man: Year One and go from there.
I unironically miss the kids books...at least the art was cool for some of them and the stories fun.
Those were good.
Matt Wagner’s Dark Moon Rising took two Golden Age stories and expanded them each into a 6 issue miniseries. Something similar can be done with the Ditko-Lee material.
How sad is it that at this point, the best relationship Spider man has had is an OC mutant in a defunct series?
Marvel Adventure was the breasts and I will never forgive them
Fanboys seem to have an aversion to seeing Peter Parker in a normal healthy relationship. They think its "boring".
You're kidding, right? Do you think the run that didn't mention Slott's one good retcon, has Peter holding Norman's hand, saying he was heroic for what he's doing by a celestial, and didn't have Gwen yell at Peter at all in Harry, her friend's defense after she briefly came back, did nothing to bother Gwengays? The one story he wrote was trashed and rejected by most gwengays, anon.
Lmao. No. She's usually badly written at best anytime she appears and her body is constantly desecrated after her death. Go tell the Bengays that they're wanked off because he's used and they'll laugh in your face just the same.
There is not a fictional character in the entire span of history, that has failed as often or as consistently as Ben Reilly and then given another chance. Ancient Playwrights would have initially brought him misfortune as a joke for audience but Ben gays treat him Jesus Christ.
Carol Danvers
Hank Pym.
Ben was well received initially and people liked him even after the Clone Saga.
The only times he's "failed" have been when he's been written wildly out of character, I wonder what the correlation is there...
Wait wait wait
FELICIA is the one to want a relationship? That is so atypical to her character these last 30+ years. Why wouldn’t Peter want a relationship? He’s always wanted to settle down rather than put it about.
He's become too weak for any relationship.
Don't think about it too hard. Wells got tired of giving their "relationship" focus for a few panels every other month and decided to just end it and save himself the trouble.
bad writting
Pretty much every girl he’s seriously been with he’s proposed or tried to propose to. Betty, Gwen, Felicia and MJ. Dude wants the married life. Wife and kids, the works.
I’m just saying, in times like these only only man can right the ship
He's off killing Venoms.
How pathetic is it that the only good moment we had of Peter/Felicia was a trip to Omaha in a back-up?
Very.
The valentine chapter in unlimited was arguably the best. What with Felicia taking care of peter'a issue with being on time
Gwen was always just Liz 2.0. Instead of resetting her character for college, Ditko-Lee created a whole new character to fulfill the same role.
I remember someone claiming to have insider knowledge last year who said that it was Lowe's idea for Peter and Felicia to get back together because he expected it to get the same hype as when he and MJ got back together in Spencer's run. I'm pretty sure that person was lying about having insider knowledge, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Lowe's idea and he expected it to be better received. The lack of development and the abrupt, anticlimactic end of the relationship makes it seem like an idea that had no planning put into it and was dropped because Lowe and Wells either didn't know how to make it work or just didn't care enough to try.
Real question is wth they would pivot too romance wise.
> they try scooping in a ham fisted love triangle mj peter and Paul
> full bnd route generates a new love interests some kind of oc
from spine tingling
Valerio Giangiordano: An announcement about original art and future events coming soon. In the meantime here's the WIP of Miles and Gwen's illustration.
Gwen is thicc
Imagine wasting your talent on two empty fetish-fueled characters.
Spider-Man 2099: Future Shock
We spoke with writer Steve Orlando about his epic exploration of Miguel O’Hara, AKA Spider-Man 2099, in ‘Spider-Man 2099: Dark Genesis.’
Were you reading comics when the 2099 line debuted? How did you first encounter these characters?
STEVE ORLANDO: I was! In 1992, I was right in the strike zone for the 2099 line—a cool new cyberpunk vision of the future. And it helps that the talent on the launch was impeccable! There’s a reason the 2099 characters have stood the test of time.
What struck you as the strongest creative hallmarks of Marvel 2099?
STEVE ORLANDO: [That] the core concepts have endured because the base creative was very prescient! The world may not look like 2099 now, but a lot of the far-flung day to day realities of the future presented in the launch titles are either already now part of our lives, or they’re on their way. And to be frank—2099 has, from the start, had some of the most incredible designs. Yes, that’s not necessarily something that speaks to story longevity, but Spider-Man 2099 is a timeless look, instantly cool, even if you don’t know Miguel’s story. And that is a cornerstone of expanding appeal. And not just Spider-Man. The X-Men, Ghost Rider, Doom...2099 was a slick, awesome world you just had to visit. You’ve got visuals you can’t turn away from, and a world that’s a gripping future reflection of our present. That was the sauce, and it still is!
why does Orlando keep on raping Miggy so much?
I just fricking love these two boring nothingburger characters!
you will watch and shill interracial cuckshit and you will like it
Miles can have Gwen.
Whether she's cis or trans.
What do you think made Miguel O’Hara the most high-profile character to emerge from 2099?
STEVE ORLANDO: It’s not just the look—Miguel was decades ahead of his time. He wasn’t trying to be like Peter Parker, the Spider-Man of a past heroic age. He was defining Spider-Man on his own terms, with his own motivations. He was at the same time absolutely a Spider-Man, but not a variation of Peter’s style. Miguel had humor, but it was more cutting, darker, often cynical. He had an anger in him as to how he’d been treated by the system. And even though he was from the future, he was a former corporate cog being taken advantage of by his employer—he was relatable, fighting back against forces that might’ve been neon and futuristic, but that we could all relate to fighting against our whole lives.
How did the idea for SPIDER-MAN 2099: EXODUS come about?
STEVE ORLANDO: We wanted to go big for the 30th Anniversary [of 2099]! “Exodus” was a chance for us to bring together all the 2099 content from the past 30 years for a huge moment, the death of a Celestial, that upends life as people know it in Nueva York. We wanted to do event-style storytelling with a lasting change—and the creation of Oasis X was absolutely that. But it wasn’t just Oasis X, it was the fact that those at the top of society could now no longer assault everyone else with impunity. Miguel, the working-class hero of the future, effectively decapitated the 1% and changed 2099’s power structure from top to bottom. And of course, we merged all the existing 2099 timelines into Earth-2099, creating one reality with the best of all previous versions, celebrating a new heroic age kicking off in 2099, but not limited to that year.
Huh, who is moonman in the middle? future moon knight?
Miguel the guy with the cushy corporate scientist job who eventually ran Alchemax as a whole is a working class hero? The guy who tried to help out the stupid slums people and was completely rejected?
What were you hoping to accomplish by the end of your “Exodus” run?
STEVE ORLANDO: A societal shift for 2099. Miguel has always been the working-class hero of the future. That’s always Spider-Man. Standing up for “the little guy” in every timeline and reality, even if that plays out in different ways. And Miguel can be vindictive, a trait I share with him. So, in putting him up against Norman Osborn and his untouchable Cabal, we knew Miguel had to make a big move. We knew he had to beat them not just in the moment, but for the future. So that meant cutting the head off of a predatory society’s snake.
When we continue the story in SPIDER-MAN 2099: DARK GENESIS, the destruction of the Black Cards has created a major social disparity. How did real world issues influence your storytelling?
STEVE ORLANDO: With 2099, and with speculative fiction in general, the real world is always the seed for extrapolation. They were calling stuff in 1992 that’s already happened, even if it wasn’t as neon as they thought it would be! So here, with “Dark Genesis,” we got a chance to tip our hats to MAXIMUM CARNAGE, as well as how easily a righteous cause can be poisoned by bad actors. Miguel sparked a revolt against the cruel, murderous elite in “Exodus.” After years of being abused and killed by them, those they hurt want revenge—it’s not enough that their attackers are now penniless. And once Carnage hits the scene, he plays on the anger and rage to turn a just cause toxic. His followers are his first victims.
Where is Miguel’s head at for the start of “Dark Genesis” versus the end of “Exodus”?
STEVE ORLANDO: He’s exhausted. And he’s conflicted—he believes in people, believes in laying freedom and justice at their feet. And he agrees with their anger. But he can also see how some people are turning something righteous into something petty and horrific. Miguel’s worried he maybe gave people too much credit—he wants to save people, always. But how does he save them from themselves? It’s got him doubting his bold actions. But luckily, Miguel’s not alone in the fight—and he’s got allies who know Nueva York still needs its Spiders.
Where did the concept for Carnage come from? Why was this the perfect threat to adapt for 2099?
STEVE ORLANDO: Carnage 2099, like much of 2099, was about honoring the inspiration for the characters but also intensifying and innovating around that. Carnage himself lives for slaughter, but Carnage 2099 literally needs to kill to survive. He’s a murder engine that burns blood like gasoline. And though he’s a creature, this almost makes him a primal, chthonic force. And it’s tragic! In trying to create a medicine that could be programmed to hunt, kill, and consume bloodborne diseases, Alchemax created a weapon of pure destruction. They never accounted for their wonder medicine’s appetite being bottomless.
>he believes in people
Miggy does?
That's fricking news to me.
What is the process of creating new 2099 incarnations of familiar present-day characters?
STEVE ORLANDO: It’s always a conversation! We’re all a team here—from editorial to folks on the visual art side, to coloring and lettering, the whole squad. So, we start with the ideas above—how can we nod to the inspiring character, how can we make a character that’s say, still Blade, but from a whole new lens? That’s what happened with the original line—Miguel is absolutely Spider-Man, but in a new context with a new set of rules. The same goes for X-Men, for the Punisher, and for all of 2099’s icons. It’s always about cutting down to the core of the character, and then building back out around it. Like stripping something down to its skeleton, and then laying the meat back on in a new way. And that’s not just me, the writer—it’s the whole creative team!
How did you dream up Blade 2099 as a zombie?
STEVE ORLANDO: The ethos we talked about above was the key here. How can we have a character that’s definitely Blade, but also different. How can we evolve the concept? Here, we have a man whose origin mirrors Blade’s. He’s half-zombie, born to someone fatally bitten while pregnant. Having lost his mother, Blade 2099 is found and mentored by Blade in the same way Blade was by Whistler [in some presentations]. He struggles with the hunger as Blade struggles with the thirst. But he’s not the same—he breaks away from Blade to pursue medicine, to better understand and decode his hunger. He’s a warrior, he’s a doctor. And yes, thanks to technology that’s just a step past our own, instead of a serum, he prints artificial human meat in a 3D printer to hold back his zombie side.
Halloween Jack was my favorite (relatively) deep cut for this series. Why did you decide he fit your needs?
STEVE ORLANDO: It was always a matter of time until Jack came back—he’s a 2099 icon with a great combination of traits. Jack gives us the energy of a Loki-like trickster—he was even 2099’s Loki at one point—but also a notorious clown prince of crime. And even a bit of Carnage’s crazed bloodlust! He wasn’t a fit for “Exodus,” but once we knew “Dark Genesis” would be an ode to MAXIMUM CARNAGE, we knew the perfect person to rile up the crowd and pull even more people to Carnage’s side...all the while poking the beast and making sure the blood flows thicker and deeper.
What do you hope people walk away from “Dark Genesis” with?
STEVE ORLANDO: Excitement! And, of course, an eye for what’s next. A (non-zombie) hunger for what’s to come. “Dark Genesis” reminds us Spider-Man 2099 is the guy that’s never giving up on us, even if we give up on him. He’s the guy ready to throw himself into the fire to keep us from the flames. And as he says—under the mask, Nueva Yorkers have seen him thousands of times and didn’t know it. He’s a reminder for folks that anyone you see on the street could be a hero.
How was it collaborating on this project with Justin Mason, Jordan Boyd, Antonio Fabela, Cory Petit and cover artist Nick Bradshaw as well as the editorial team?
STEVE ORLANDO: It’s a dream! These folks are all part of the team. “Exodus” and “Dark Genesis” are products of all our work, that undefinable alchemy of collaboration. Justin is a murderer on the page, putting out five issues of blockbuster chaos like it’s a walk in the park. And that’s not even mentioning Nick Bradshaw’s epic series of covers capturing Carnage’s citywide mayhem! Jordan and Antonio’s colors pop and make even more real the neon tomorrow of 2099, and Cory effortlessly laid out and enriched 2099’s lettering by masterfully making it part of the story—with captions and balloon styles that guide the eye and add detailing to the book’s world at the same time! As for Mark Paniccia and Danny Khazem in editorial, they’re the circulatory system holding this all together—but more than that, they’re the guides helping us do the best version of our work.
What’s next for the 2099 universe and Miguel O’Hara?
STEVE ORLANDO: SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN 2099 is up next [in 2024]! And it’s going to be a killer!
>Fricking hell orlando, no one cares about your OCs. Why is orlando hyping up symbiote spider-man? It can't be?
I remember that Symbiote Spiderman 2099 was supposed to be written by Peter David, but then his health got worse so it got delayed, and is coming out at the end of the month. My guess is that Orlando was hired to finish it, while they hope David comes out fine. Speaking of, who here had donated to the GoFundMe?
What exactly is wrong with Orlando's 2099?
>Uses the shitty rebooted 2099
>Miggy is pure angry man now, no snark or levity
>Not only that, he's constantly shoved to the side in what is supposed to be his own book so Orlando can shill his OCs
>In particular he redid X-Men 2099 so he could use them in his Marauders book
>Norman Osborn 2099 and Galactic Goblin
>Miggy jobs at the end and needs to be saved by fricking Valkyrie
>Then the Avengers 2099 from Planet Wakanda come and save the day
I'll be honest the next book looked like more of the same but now with Carnagewank so I didn't bother reading past the first issue.
Point is that it's garbage that only exist so Orlando can shill his version of 2099.
>Planet Wakanda
Please tell me you're joking.
God I wish I was
So let me guess: it's a planet of only black people that, unlike 2099 earth, is idyllic and advanced and has no suffering?
How can he be such a big fan of the original comics and have such shitty, uninspired, and flanderized ideas for the setting and characters? Ideas that the original creators would have made a point not to go through with because of how lame they were? What next, is he going to replace Miguel with a new Spider-Man that's the direct descendant of another character?
I'm literally just waiting for the day when Miguel is retconned to be a descendant of Miles and/or Miles is the Spider-Man that the legends were talking about
Sounds like it could be the plot of the next Spiderverse
>How can he be such a big fan of the original comics and have such shitty, uninspired, and flanderized ideas for the setting and characters?
To be fair, you can say that about nearly every writer that's worked for Marvel for the last 15 years.
The ones who were pretty good usually tried to do their own thing, like Yost and Scarlet Spider or Hastings and Gwenpool (from what I understand, that's the only run of hers that has ANY fricking fans because the rest get trashed to hell and back).
Really! What the Frick! Can't just I don't a year or two? Stop fricking with Spider-man!
>ESL moment
report and ignore gwenschizo
Anon you are a moron what further proof do you need that MJ and Paul are a couple you saw them together in bed for crying out. It's time to face factd it's OVER now gp spam somwhere else.
Don't reply to him.
Yes instead go cry that MJ is fricking paul be sure to cry real hard now.
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Can someone here post all the leaks about this issue?
You were stupid enought not to use therspoiler hide feature to hide the leaks. So no more leaks and do NOT ask for them again. Now piss off
I'm not the anon who posted the backup story.
rick leonardi did a comic cover for the aitsv.
When do you feel like we'll get another big announcement or anything? Also could you summarize the leaks?
end result in the movie
SIR ARE YOU MAD SIR DO NOT POST LEAKS YOU BLOODY BENCHOD BASTARD YOU
The spoiler hide feature exists here for a fricking reason and you are bluntly trying to ignore it does not exist. You are a fricking moron.
Sorry bro Felicia and Peter broke up
spoiler btw lol
tracyverse chads ASSEMBLE!
>tfw a porn parody comic series is better written and more entertaining than the actual book
Also I always read Tracy Scops to the tune of: https://youtu.be/N2rF4HcW5yk
luckly for me I stopped reading marvel characters in 2016 after civil war 2.
From that year onwards I only read DC and old marvel comicbooks.
Peter should have ended up with Gwen instead of MJ killing her was a mistake these leaks prove that beyond a doubt.
Gwen was awful. Cried and complained all the time, thought Peter was a coward, hated Spider-Man. Gwengays only like her because she looks pretty and died so they could meme her into being better than she was.
Anon, don't bother trying to genuinely engage with the shitposter. He doesn't actually care about Spider-Man or wanting good comics
I never cared for Peter marriage's with MJ since it never feelt right to me. They only feel in love with each because of Gwen's death that's what brought them together. That never feelt right to me I always wanted him to marry Gwen.
Looks like proper grammar and spelling never feelt right to you either
If Peter had come clean about his secret identity with Gwen and told her the truth about her father's death then there relationship would have been different. It's his fault she died because of the Green Goblin.
This is head canon.
No a what if story clearly shows what would have happened had Peter been honest with Gwen
And I agee with this anon's post from cbr he said it best in my opinion.
'There's no insinuation that anyone's personalities are different, just that Peter saves her instead and Gwen reacts essentially the way we'd expect her to react, but she listens, because it's Peter.
Gwen's only gotten more layers since this point and of course the retconning of the worst Gwen story ever. It seems that the constant in Spider-Man is that Gwen is constantly going to be "the one", if she'd never died. Even in the recent run Peter tells the image of Gwen that he works with Osborne to prevent him from becoming the person that killed her ever again, and that he does this because he still loves her. To which his heart was shown and he was deemed worthy and he and Gwen were able to have a small moment with one another which I still cry at. But it does seem that the idea at least as far as Spider-Man is concerned in the 616 is that if Gwen never dies she's "the one" for Peter, and whenever the real her re-appears that is reaffirmed, at least most recently it still is.
>shitposter is a CBRgay who pretends like he's not just reposting his own post from there
>also believes What Ifs are in any way canonical
What Ifs are a reinforcement of Marvel 616 being the best of all possible worlds because they always end with things being worse, not better. Gwen accepts him in this story just so they can twist the knife later by having his identity outed to the police and having to live the rest of his life as a fugitive.
>What Ifs are a reinforcement of Marvel 616 being the best of all possible worlds because they always end with things being worse, not better.
This not always true this story did give Peter and MJ a happy ending.
>Gwen accepts him in this story just so they can twist the knife later by having his identity outed to the police and having to live the rest of his life as a fugitive.
I honestly doubt Peter would have become a fugitive had Gwen lived anon.
Did you write the story, smartass?
>brings up a non-canon What If issue as an "argument" (while also blatantly samegayging from CBR)
>immediately backtracks and ignores the What If when anon points out what actually happens in it
I only ignore the part where Peter becomes a fugitive in it. Fairly certain that would never happen if Gwen had lived in the 616 universe.
We just ignore him and I'll go away.
MJ being a cheater won't go away on the other hand anon lol.
People still read 616 spider-man?
For what reason?
It's never going to be anything but writers actively trying to piss you off.
Just read side stuff when it comes out, like Marvel Knights Adventures
Can't wait to to see Gwen getting revived and replacing that prostitute MJ.
Allright, you want the truth, here is what i got, all in esl so it become unhinged, and they will come to call me a schizo and do damage control
Peter will SNAP, not any snap, not even norman snap, Joker and batkek snap, it turns out he has some of norman's sins.
One criminal will "die", other will be hunted down
No one, including Felicia will look peter in the eye anymore after what will go down before the gang wars electric boogaloo begin
"You know nothing about true pain Mary Jane, your marriage and children all lies"
"I HATE YOU PETER PARKER!"
What if we copy tom king's batman run and have Peter "die" and lose his memories for a while, so we can have everyone blaming and fighting each other for what led to his death.
Things may change, but this is what they have planned.
What the next writer is gonna do ric Grayson but peter parker.
Bruh, they really decided to make the worst spider-man run ever.
I’m not calling this a compliment but the idea of the entire hero community/Pete’s friends pointing fingers at each other over losing him is funny to me. Damn right you all should be ashamed, you failed Spider-Man, who was the best of all of you
At least Ultimate died and came back as a hero, and is still a inspiration for Miles.
One more for the doubt anon kun
If we bring her back, she shouldn't be Stacy anymore or even Parker, also we need to haver her and Gwen Warren clone together as a family.
I dont give a shit if readers find it stupid, if its selling, then is good for us.
You could at least try and make your fake leaks read like they're even the slightest little bit believable.
Maybe you need to go to more ESL classes, work on making your writing better.
peter is going to be rescued and beaten up by mj every issue after she gets her powers
mj will have no problem with being a super hero saying stuff like “you always made it seem so difficult but this is actually easy” to further underline the message that white men are inferior to women in the eyes of marvel
peter will also be forced to work as an underwear model to make ends meat to furthe emasculate and humiliate him
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAzBn5APdnE
one of the inspirations followed by a
Uncle Ben's words only brought me pain, i had enough of being responsible for my own powers and my self, I will take them down, and none of you will stop me, and if you do
Is he even Spider-Man anymore?
Forgive me, Tiger... I had no choice, please forgive me... don't die. Peter?
They love Bruce and Joker's Amnesia and friendship saga, also spoiler pic.
And "Norman will always be Peter's Joker", they understand each other.
>moron still going on about his fanfic RIC GRAYSON SPIDAMAN idea that he brings up every single spider-man thread as an idea for whats going to happen next
>three weeks ago it was ottos tentacles were going to mind wipe peter
>next it was peter was going to lose his memories fighting norman goblin
>now its this
woweeeee marvel sure is going to do your moronic idea
Remember when shitposter was spamming his stupid "theory" about how MJ was totally gonna be revealed as a mutant in her Dark Web mini, and that her powers in that totally weren't the result of the very obvious bracelet on her wrist in the previews?
This is exactly the same bullshit as that. He's just changed from calling it a "theory" to a "leak"
Is this good or bad? At least he's trying to warn us, maybe.
It's more shitposting, from a poster who does his darndest to just be a nuisance, so it's bad
I would say this a case of Crotching Moron, Hideen Genius. But at this point, I don't know what to do, and am just waiting until the Secret Wars:Battleworld mini by Defalco comes out. At least that will remind me of a better time.
That shitpost was intentional, many shitposters here are Marvel and DC employees, or people related to them.
Always take the moronic theories with a grain of salt.
When Doomsday clock happened, johns himself was here shitposting and throwing semi-spoilers left and right.
As well as shitting on didio at every turn.
Proof
gwenschizo is nick lowe. Disrupting the flow of conversation to kill threads and hates rips and spoilers of spider-man comics. I'll believe it.
bro no way they made your ric grayson spider-man canon... holy shit bro you were correct i can't belive you were so correct and right they made him real!!
Is this for real or just fanfic?
Very clearly fanfic, if you couldn't tell from the fact that it comes from the resident ESL troll
why are mj or felica never drawn with cleavage but male characters are shirtless or in their underwear every issue?
>gotten to a point
It's been like this since the mid 2000's. Last non moronic writer ASM had was JMS.
>he needs to copypaste a CBRgays post to make his point
Jesus
He's too stupid make any of his own. What do you expect?
So it's a post from CBR what does that matter does not everybody post matter no matter where it comes from? besides I for one happen to support him.
Shut up.
All posts matter regardless where the come from anon.
If you look at that bit he copy/pasted, I'm pretty sure it's his own writing too
Imagine being such a gay you samegay across two separate websites
Damn nigfas calm down it's just a drawing
What happened here?
Wells fanboys desperate to claim schizo is wrong when the asm leaks from a month ago turned out to be true.
Marvel editors, interns and writers knows Cinemaphile and always drops shitpost spoilers.
In fact, They feed on the sheer hatred of this board.
I might have a fun activity to make the best out of a shitty situation. Anyone interested?
Go on then, anon
Alright we use the random power wiki to make shitpost stories involving MJ’s dumbass power watch and see where random chance takes us. Start with a basic setup, then go from there
Peter with Norman sins suddenly acts like Liquid Snake whenever he's near Ben.
A Peter that questions the ''Great power'' thing because it has never brought him any joy would make for a great storyline, but not with this dogshit editorial running things
wouldn't make sense when he barely holds up to the mantra since omd