Which is why I always advocate for Peter being 17 when he gets bit, even in a reboot, as it gets through the high school bullshit quicker to get the character to adulthood much sooner.
They tried that with ultimate and bendis kept pete in the setting for over a decade anon. Just accept it anon, there isn’t anything in comics for people who like these characters anymore
He kept him 15 until he decided to age him one year much later in the run. Even though the rest of Ultimate definitely progressed through several years, all of Spidey and by extension the rest of the Ultimate U happened in a single year.
Yeah so here's the problem with that. Constantly rebooting spiderman is what caused a major death spiral at Marvel. Instead of realizing they needed completely fresh blood, that they needed to make this living universe live instead of stay as a vegetable that they're attempting to bring back for the dozenth time instead of pulling the plug. I don't like miles but he's been the only goddamn thing invigorating peoples love for comics even though he's a shit character. .
Soft reboots are still reboots. Moving back to the status quo causes fatigue. Things have to end unless all you want are artists who are going to die and leave you with nothing to replace them with as they move to anime and the sonic fandom.
>What people want is grown-up, married Spider-man.
Honestly even grown up divorced spider-man would be better than what we have now.
Man-child, forever alone Spider-man only appeals to Marvel's boomer editorial (Quesada, Brevoot, Slot. They're all from the 60s)
Ben HAD legal documentation.
Seward created everything Ben needed BEFORE Sensational #1.
He did it when he was trapped in CyberSpace at the end of the Scarlet Spider run.
HobGoblin/Gaunt/Osborn ruined his reputation at the Daily Grind.
If only there was some way to replace the Clone Saga with Spidey hooking up with Miles and teaching him how to be a super hero as his non-hero responsibilities took up more and more of his life.
Matt Wagner’s Dark Moon Rising took two Golden Age stories and expanded them each into a 6 issue miniseries. Something similar can be done with the Ditko-Lee material. Using those stories as a foundation to do so much more.
I don't think you could. Whereas nobody gives a shit about Golden/Silver Age DC stories, the Lee/Kirby/Ditko era is practically gospel to Marvel. But something like Mark Waid's World's Finest, where it's an original story but just set sometime in the past, could work.
One could do just as Ditko-Lee did with the characters, or take the dynamic through another route. In going the Ultimate route and making Liz into Firestar, you could have Liz fall for Spider-Man as he helps her control her powers, but is cold to Peter Parker. Betty, as a contrast, falls for Peter but hates Spider-Man for not being able to save her brother. Liz hates Peter but loves Spider-man. Betty loves Peter but hates Spider-Man. You could use this as a source of internal conflict within Peter. Should he choose Betty for the normal life? Or Liz for the hero one?
Dude’s got a mouth on him, and an attitude to match. It’s the reason why he didn’t have many friends in high school. Plus, she doesn’t really hate him. More like doesn’t like him.
This November, Cletus Kasady is reborn in a brand-new CARNAGE ongoing series by writer Torunn Grønbekk and artist Pere Pérez. This reunion between Marvel’s most savage symbiote and its favorite host will put all super heroes on high alert and lay the groundwork for the next VENOM epic.
The series will spin out of the current DEATH OF THE VENOMVERSE limited series where Carnage is on a murder spree through the Venomverse, slaughtering his way to the throne of the King in Black! His dark ascent to power is only beginning and now he’s back on the hunt for Cletus, loyal followers, and more…
Describing the new series, Grønbekk said, "What are powers without purpose? Having hunted down and triumphed over his greatest weaknesses, Carnage’s powers are unrivaled. However, a piece is still missing—the symbiote needs a host with the ambition to match its own. And for Carnage, there was only ever one. (And you know who!)"
"I knew writing Carnage would be an opportunity to explore some pretty dark themes, but I am surprised and delighted to find that the darkness is coming from some unexpected places," she added. "It is my kind of horror—overwhelmingly gruesome, but still rooted firmly in humanity. Expect big symbiote action, mysteries, myth, and murder. This is gospel, according to Cletus Kasady, and he is the end of the world as we know it."
CARNAGE #1
Written by TORUNN GRØNBEKK
Art by PERE PÉREZ
Cover by PAULO SIQUEIRA
Variant Cover by ROSE BESCH
Virgin Variant Cover by ROSE BESCH
On Sale 11/15
See Rose Besch's cover now and immerse yourself in Carnage’s latest horrors when CARNAGE #1 hits stands in November!
Why would the symbiote want to separate from Cletus anyway?
If this was an anime, their synch-level would be 110% to Eddie's 60% (I'm not quantifying Flash's 'drug the symbiote until it develops stockholm syndrome from you choosing not to drug it that day' thing)
EXACTLY. wasn't the whole thing with Carnage that Cletus and the symbiote were bonded so closely they'd effectively merged?? hence why he refers to himself with "I" rather than "we".
If I remember right, they once ripped off the symbiote and destroyed it without killing Cletus.
But Cletus had the symbiote in his cells so it eventually regenerated
Whenever it bonds to another host, it tried to make them more like Cletus.
Cletus has had his head blown apart and survived because he's basically a goop monster when he's Carnage, and it fixed(?) his lower body after he was torn in two (though art was inconsistent on that, sometimes he had/has robot legs so I dunno).
That being said, maybe other hosts also survive being blown up while wearing a symbiote, Carnage is the one I have pages of it happening though.
eddie's recovered from some pretty gnarly injuries thanks to symbiote powers, and while I'm not fully caught up on the cosmic horror venom thing I think he's part symbiote now and he just straight up grows himself a new body at some point
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Anonymous
The whole Knull nonsense really made me tune out of symbiote comics.
Well the Klyntar first, but Knull was just such an unneeded origin story. It didn't add anything to the symbiotes, it just used the symbiotes to support C...Cates'? Coates'?... The shitty OC that is knull.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I feel bad for him.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It’s why I prefer the symbiote to be a lab experiment like in Ultimate. That alien shit’s just too out there for Spider-Man. Making it man-made keeps it close to home.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I think the 90s cartoon did a good job
It's a long-lived completely alien being (experience of millenia) that was dormant on mars
Do we know anything more specific?
No.
do we need to?
No.
The symbiotes here and it's a weird alien existence (in a universe where the x-men actually meet humanoid aliens... frick, what's the purple superman dude... Gladiator? I don't remember.)
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it's, uh... yeah.
9 months ago
Anonymous
wild. how did this even happen anyways??
also lmao he's naked AGAIN
It’s a shame Carnage is trapped in his own book because he’s exactly what ASM needs right now. He could solve so many ongoing problems with the Spider series:
>Regain his symbiote from Norris and Liz so we can stop having so many of Peter’s human friends running around in a symbiote. >Cure Norman of his sinless life since Norman wore him AND Carnage overcame Sin Eaters powers in Axis when he was Carnage-Man >Gut Paul like a fish because frick that guy >Restore Ben’s memories and turn him back from his life as Chasm. Since Ben wore Carnage back in Web of Carnage, he could use that codex to restore all of Ben’s memories and make it so he no longer holds a grudge against Peter anymore and can go back to being a hero.
The story is right there. Just have Mephisto decide to frick with Chasm by restoring the memory of him being the Spider-Carnage and let him loose from hell in order to track Carnage down. Carnage decides to help (why not, he just restored Morlun’s power and freed him for no reason) and upon bonding, restores Ben’s memories, discovering that Spider-Man is Peter Parker and using that he decides to go after everyone Peter loves. Along the way he kills Paul who sacrifices himself for MJ (her Jackpot powers don’t do anything and she retires from heroics.) He goes after Liz and Normie and takes their Carnage knock offs. Norman puts up a fight but Carnage fricks with his head. Eventually Norman, Peter and Ben team up to stop Carnage and we get a cliffhanger where Norman starts going Stormin’ Norman again.
He is the most elegant retcon that Peter could possibly have right now.
Is Carnage the type to just cause chaos for the sake of it and is willing to not kill some villains so that they cause more suffering or could be of some use to him? I'm trying to wrap my head around Carnage being just a straight up copy of the Joker or if he really is unique because I haven't read too much Cletus. It seems like both characters struggle from writers wanting different directions. I'm fine with both going on villain teams that they then betray.
Carnage has a reason for what he does. And right now he's focused on killing every Venom in the multiverse so he can kill the King In Black (616 Eddie Brock)
>I'm trying to wrap my head around Carnage being just a straight up copy of the Joker
It's really more like modern writers have turned the Joker into a straight up copy of Carnage
Carnage has teamed up (and betrayed and killed) a fair amount of villains over the years. That was the whole deal with the Maximum Carnage event. He is 1000% about chaos for chaos’ sake. He can be persuaded into sparing innocent people if they convince him it’s more chaotic/unexpected.
It’s the cycle Carnage has been in since 2016 or so. He’s trapped in constant event build.
>Gets his own book >Builds up his power level >Spirals into a Venom crossover event where the focus switches to Venom >Jobs at the end of the event >Gets his own book after a few months to rehab his power level and image >The cycle repeats
He’d be better off if Brock could develop an actual rogues gallery and stop relying on Carnage all the time.
James Franco originally auditioned for the role of Spider-Man, but lost it to Tobey Maguire. Honestly, he would've been a better choice for the role as he'd be more accurate to Ditko/Romita Pete, with Tobey as a more faithful Harry. Even the movies switched their dynamic around. Comic Pete was the dominant one. Franco would've been able to sell the more short-tempered and arrogant side to Pete that is rarely seen in live action media.
Nah, Franco at that age was too good looking to pull off the HS nerd that Maguire did a good job with, and even when Franco turned the butthole off to play Harry as close to [eter as possible in SM3 when Harry loses his memory and is grateful for everything, it felt cringey and out of character, which is what his Peter Parker would have been like, and awful mess.
Ditko Pete was short tempered and arrogant, but plenty confident and good-looking. A far cry from the loser wallflower nerd that people seem to think he is. Franco could’ve portrayed a Peter that was true to the source rather than the direction they decided to go with.
That’s on John Byrne. Just because he failed to make it work, doesn’t mean it’d never work. Plus, he made a lot of unnecessary changes when all he had to do was use the original stories as a base and flesh them out for modern consumption.
We had chapter one.
We had Marvel Age
We had Marvel adventures
We had Ultimate
We had Spidey
At the end of the day people still go back to Lee and Ditko's stuff.
How long did this initiative of making All Ages titles that modernize old stories for kids last?
9 months ago
Anonymous
A few years.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I read some of the Marvel Adventures stories for Hulk and they were decent, then again it was written by Peter David. What do you think of Marvel Adventures?
9 months ago
Anonymous
It got good when Paul Tobin came on and did his own thing with it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Chat’s existence proved Stern right.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I will never understand why you do this
9 months ago
Anonymous
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9 months ago
Anonymous
I liked 'em a lot as a kid. Reread some recently, still enjoyed 'em. Pretty cozy.
Ditko wanted a much more grounded world for Spider-Man. He wanted Peter to deal with true to life situations while having Spidey in darker ones. Of course, what was considered "grounded" and "dark" in the 60s is a bit different nowadays, especially with what they were allowed to do. Now, you can have things go darker and more true to life.
He also preferred that he existed in his own universe, separate from the rest of the Marvel U.
Stan wanted Spidey to be more lighthearted and comedic. To have more fantastical elements in his setting, complete with crossovers with other heroes like the F4.
That's ultimately, to me at least, is what led to Ditko leaving. This, along with a combination of his growing objectivism view, led him to not being able to compromise with his vision, so he left. Though, let's all be honest here, Stan was the reason why Spidey is as popular as he is. Ditko may have created all the other things, and yes I know I sound stupid, but it was Stan's dialouge and nature that led to many people relating with Spidey, along with toning down what Ditko wanted, like the protest scene in #38. You can see in Ditko's work after Spidey that there was a reason why Stan handled dialogue.
Honestly, I prefer a darker Spidey. He’s start out a bit more antihero-like in a much more grounded world, with the more fantastical elements of the greater Marvel U slowly revealing themselves over time. Like instead of Spidey meeting the F4 early on, he’d meet characters like Daredevil and the Punisher. The F4 and the Avengers would work better as a Year 2/3 for Spidey.
Would you prefer the black suit? Ideally, I’d have Pete wear the red and black Ditko suit for Year One, and then transition into his classic red and blue for Year 2.
He's exaggerating for some reason, the third thread he posted is already archived and the second one is a Miles thread.
The reaction isn't even that strong as other spiderman comics.
Actually I think people are pretty meh and apathetic for a spiderman comic
You idiots are fricking obsessed with Spider-Man threads onece a thread dies then several minutes later you make another thread. In addition to this the leaks for the ASM #31 were pointless since you the book comes out tomorrow. Thus if you had waited you would gave gotten a rip for it the next day. Now rippes won't rip for quite a awhile since there is no point in ripping a book which has already been leaked in advance, Enjoy huge delays in Spider-Man content getting ripped idiots.
9 months ago
Anonymous
onec a blckohead
alwysa a blokchead
9 months ago
Anonymous
No rips of spider-man books for you spider gays. you can be damn sure they won't be ripped tomorrow when they come out. Enjoy the suffering
9 months ago
Anonymous
No rips of spider-man books for you spider gays. you can be damn sure they won't be ripped tomorrow when they come out. Enjoy the suffering
You aren't even a ripper you peice o shit, now frick back to Cinemaphile to larp as a OP leaker, juanito.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No ripper wants to rip spider-man content that's why rips for them come get dealyed more and more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I may not be a ripper but if was I sure as frick would not waste my ripping it since I would see it as waste of my time since seeing as it got already got leaked online.
>People like Spider-Man. Deal with it.
lol you thinks these threads are made out of love for Spider-Man? WRONG they exist only for one reason to shit on him as hard as possiable.
Spider-Woman Wages War Against Her Greatest Enemies in New Solo Series
Steve Foxe and Carola Borelli launch a new 'Spider-Woman' ongoing series this November.
This November, Jessica Drew has a new mission, and this time, it’s personal!
Announced last month at San Diego Comic-Con, SPIDER-WOMAN is a new ongoing series that spins directly out of GANG WAR, the upcoming crossover that sees war erupt between New York City’s deadliest crime lords. Written by Steve Foxe (X-MEN ANNUAL, DARK X-MEN) and drawn by rising star Carola Borelli, Jessica Drew will strike out in a brand-new direction as she’s tasked by Spider-Man to take down some of her most bitter foes.
But something has made Jessica angrier than ever, and her ruthless crime fighting will shock her fellow heroes during and beyond the events of GANG WAR. As she tries to solve the heartbreaking mystery that's upended her entire world, Spider-Woman will come face-to-face with a terrifying new force of evil. Fans can discover more about what kicks off Jessica’s dramatic new journey in a special preview in tomorrow’s AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #31!
The Web of Destiny restored Spider-Woman’s life, but even Captain Marvel and Madame Web can tell something’s changed. After Viper engineers a deadly union between Hydra and Diamondback that’s about to tear the city apart, Spider-Man wants to recruit her for a new team to face an all-new foe – one who is powerful enough to destroy the city while burning Spider-Woman’s world to the ground.
"Jessica Drew has been my favorite Marvel heroine since I was a kid,” Foxe said. “From the instantly classic costume to her complex backstory, there's just so much to her. She's a spy, a street-smart detective, a superheroic best friend, an Avenger, a Spider-Verse-hopper, a mother, and a survivor. Getting the chance to do it alongside Carola, as well as Eric Koda on our prologue, has been bioelectric heaven."
It sells, but these brainless geniuses at Marvel only choose the worst artists and the worst writers and to make it worse the most pathetic editors, just call John Byrne or Gail Simone with Ed Benes and Bang, sales sploding
All I'm saying is they wouldn't have to keep trying and failing to get a female Spider-Book that people will actually read and give a shit about if they just stopped being petty weirdos and gave Mayday a new ongoing
For what I have read in some bad quality pictures, it seems Jessica's baby has disappeared. Probably a side effect of her being erased, as her baby wouldn't have ever born.
Personally, I don't want her to lose her baby. Unlike the whole thing with MJ's "kids", Gerry was a real thing.
"The events of GANG WAR ended up being the perfect springboard for a story that embraces what Zeb [Wells] and co. are doing in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN while also telling a distinctly Spider-Woman saga—with lasting ramifications for some of her closest relationships—in her own book," he continued. "Few characters have been through Hell like Jessica Drew has been through Hell, and I'm so excited to throw even more at her."
SPIDER-WOMAN #1
Written by STEVE FOXE
Art by CAROLA BORELLI
Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Variant Cover by BENGAL
Variant Cover by FELIPE MASSAFERA
On Sale 11/29
Check out some early covers now and don’t miss the action-packed premiere of Spider-Woman’s new era this November!
Peter would never let his 8 year old daughter fight crime. That’s child endangerment. Remember, the guy’s supposed to be Mr. Responsibility. He wouldn’t even let MJ in on it.
He didn’t want them to, they fought to help save him to do it. It’s different than him dragging his infant around incredibly dangerous situations after ending his marriage because he was afraid for his family. The comic builds peter up as a person through his family, the movie drags him down as a man to prop up others with the same mask
You don’t need his family to be superheroes to do it. Just being there to welcome him with open arms after beating the bad guy is all that’s needed. To give him something to fight for. To make all the shit he has to deal with worth it in the end.
You don’t need his family to be superheroes to do it. Just being there to welcome him with open arms after beating the bad guy is all that’s needed. To give him something to fight for. To make all the shit he has to deal with worth it in the end.
It’s why I liked spider girl, pete was a happy retired dude for over a decade before his daughter developed her powers. The niche that RYV had was nice and it was annoying when the time skip happened, especially considering how little they changed pete and MJs designs to show their age
Why is it notorious? I though people liked Reign. Peter climbing to the top of the tower to fight everyone and die and starting with 'Stop me if you've heard this one before' is peak kino spidey moment.
It's probably aimed at the people who only know about the original story because of the semen page. It's like when they marketed Ben's solo series from 2017 with the line, "One of the most controversial characters in comics has returned — and the controversy has only BEGUN!
Spectacular already racebended some of the cast. MCU Spidey went all the way with it with only Peter and Betty staying white. They also made Betty look like Gwen Stacy for some reason which was weird.
Alright so; Jackpot. Looks like this is MJ's new gimmick for a while. Can it work? What writer could? Frick if I know, but let's try and have fun with it anyway and make the best out of a shitty run.
I'm going to write a simple premise for MJ as if she has her own solo series. Leave this here >http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Random
And then you tell me how she solves the problem with this random power she rolled, if at all. I'm hoping for some really dumb shit where she fumbles with either a new or useless power, possibly making situations worse due to inexperience as a superhero.
First setup: "Oh my god! There's a bomb on this subway car, and it's being held by that deranged pants-less homeless man!"
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Spath%C3%ADkinetic_Combat
MJ cuts to bomb so faster than the chemical reactions that should take place and also cuts the villain's legs.
Yeah because Spider-Man canon was still good then, the only stain on the legacy was clone saga at that point. But after civil war, sins past, the slott run, the Paul MJ cancer. Spiderman canon is irreversibly tainted. Only option is to reboot
Clone Saga was pretty damn rough and so were the parent LMDs. Never did read chapter one but I could imagine it was poorly received because of its quality instead of just the idea in general.
No need. Give Peter a family. A loving wife. Healthy kids. Stable income. [spoiled]And then, take him and his family on a globe trotting adventure. Take him to Beijing or Tokyo for a change. Let him try to unravel a global conspiracy.[/spoiler]
Why would he endanger his family like that? If shit’s going south, he’ll send them back home while he takes care of things there. Also, Pete’s a working class guy. He can’t afford to take his family on these expensive trips to foreign places.
Basically, a show with an adult Peter working a full time job at the Bugle while also being Spider-Man. >Romance with Betty >Rivalry with Eddie >Robbie as a mentor >And Jonah being Jonah.
He worked at the bugle for Spidey 94, Spidey 2000 and Spider-Man 3. Spidey 94 was the first to do it and other adaptations followed suit. It’s just a better idea to have him work at the Bugle. Just another case of an adaptation making improvements on the source material.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's because Eddie's always been shit and so has his forced hatred of Spider-Man
Even if you clean house on the editorial side of things, you’ll still have the problem with dealing with all the bullshit from before. The best solution is to clean house on all fronts. Start completely fresh.
>Even if you clean house on the editorial side of things, you’ll still have the problem with dealing with all the bullshit from before.
You don't have to deal with all the stupid bullshit from the past anon, you can always retcon the stupid shit in the most lazy way imaginable, remember how they retconed sins past? With the whole Mysterio fricking with normal? It was stupid, it was lazy but readers still were willing to accept it and go with it because it erased one of the worst characters assassinations in the comic industry.
Just do the same with this shit, just retcon it in the most irrespetful way possible, make it all just be a weird nightmare or some illusionary dimension created by some jerk god who just wanted to mess with Peter and that's it.
This shit’s been going on for 60 years. Just fricking end it already. How do you expect to bring in new readers if you’ve had the same continuity since the 60s. The quality of storytelling and art back then wasn’t to modern standards. Newcomers won’t accept it.
This is going to be an issue in ten years, now that they have all these tie in yearly events happening. How much longer can you really stretch peter in mid 20's for a run, this whole run already had a year past so he's definitely 25 -30 range now. Now add in 5 more hellfire gala event tie ins, he's gonna reach over 30-35 what then? IDK how you wanna keep peter as the same amber person at that point, but it will be way harder to justify unless you pulled an time reboot.
>Newcomers will be put off by the writing and art.
Both are better than what's been in Spider-Man these past 10 years. I was born decades after the 60s, if I can enjoy these issues, anyone can.
I liked how they gave Peter arched eyebrows in TNAS. It makes him look intimidating which is good as it would keep certain people from approaching him which is a phenomenon that happens in the real world. You look like you’re perpetually pissed or “evil”, not a lot of people are going to want to talk to you.
Spoilers, same source that leaked stuff that constantly got proven right A nice friendship moment where Randy bachelor party didn't go well with Peter being the only one there, Randy got pissed at Peter when he said he forgot to tell all his other friends about the party and tell off Peter. later Randy came back, and found out that his other friends just simply didn't want to go to the party due to Randy marrying a super villain and Peter was tryng to spare Randy the hurt feelings by taking the blame. Randy tells Peter, he's his best friend. which is sweet. and the Bachelorette party, with Janice and the sinister syndicate, which Felicia crash. turns out the Janice telling Felicia that Randy telling her to change her life of crime is a sign he really love her and cares which prompt Felicia to have doubt with her relationship with Peter which leads to the scene that leaked. well the Wedding happened but everything goes to shit and was called off due to the assassinations happening and Janice attending to her father leaving with him to the ambulance from Randy[/spoilers]
on some of the backups.
[spoilers]lead in to the Kraven story with Kraven fighting Queen Goblin which leads to them having sex with Kraven waking up in bed next to her. Otto talking to himself as he trying to relive his greatest hits and do a redo of Superior Spiderman. some Spiderboy back up that I don't really care for. the Mary Jane backup that been spoil but the scene with Felicia helping MJ out[/spoilers]
I feel as though, this was written just before he left the offices, and is just him expressing how he feels about Spidey, given that him and Miles didn't do much in Secret Wars. I also thought we got kind of a insight into his thought process about stories during Secret Wars ending, with how the story that started all of the Marvel Universe, having reached it's endpoint. But, I am autistic, so I'm an idiot.
da actual REAL spoilers from an ESL moron who hasn't posted his moron fanfic yet:
peta parka will 4get his memories and becum just like nightwig and become ric grayson o.O watch it happen guyz.... im 2 correct...
So as everyone figured out there's no reason for them to separate.
Whatever works for randy and janoce has jacksquat to do with PeterxFelicia or with anyone else for that matter.
It's utter nonsense.
Just read
Felicia was never around for Peter to even get on about her robberies… then the goodbye was just flat and isn’t even worth a thought through the rest of the pages to Peter.
Spoiler pics came out days ago and the break up is super contrived and out of left field because zeb never wrote anything for the relationship for this to have any lead up.
>turns out the Janice telling Felicia that Randy telling her to change her life of crime is a sign he really love her and cares which prompt Felicia to have doubt with her relationship with Peter
What the frick am I reading? Why would Felicia doubt her relationship with Peter because of this in current time
It's just so weird seeing the world around Peter move on and grow without him. And I know it's out of character bad writing, but right now I'm feeling like Peter is also too good for MJ
The only way for Peter to move on and grow is to stop being Spider-Man. And to move out of New York and get a real job with his degree or back to journalism.
Ditko-Lee considered making Peter a reporter for the Daily Bugle. But no, you can’t realistically retire the character. He’s a household name and people can’t get enough of him in ALL media.
the only up-side of all the shitty new comics is that every time I see a shitty new comic I get a spark of spite-based motivation to work on my fan-comic*
*technically it's a fanfic because I'm not much of an artist but I want to make it into a comic eventually
Peter cucked Ned. Betty left her husband in France to be with Peter. They fricked and Ned still tried to get her back. The dude explained it as her being “confused”. Truth is, Betty settled for Ned when she actually wanted to be with Peter.
we all know this at least those who read the original 200 issues.
Betty is ruined because she married/had a kid with NED
The one interesting thing about Ned was that he was the Hobgoblin until they retconned him to be some patsy for the REAL Hobgoblin instead. The one thing this guy had going for him and it was just taken away, just like that.
now we are in a sort of limbo in which Ned is the Hobgoblin but not quite so.
basically sharing the mantle because that's useful to the REAL Hobgoblin.
he's a nothing character since the 90s when they revealed that he was innocent or some BS.
[...]
Shit, I had only remember hobo dead dying and for some reason was thinking pregnant Betty with his resurrection was after. It was blending in my mind with the Hobgoblin relapse, my bad
no problem.
i mean everyone thought clone Ned to be father until spencer revealed that nope it was original Ned coming back from the dead.
and Betty got pregnant in 2 months or so.
Yeah I'm thinking it's time to bring Betty back as Peter's one true love
This was typed up a few threads back to go along with the green text where Betty was murdered and Peter donned the black suit to avenge her. >Ned was in love with Betty and hated Peter for "stealing" her away from him. >Wants revenge on Spidey for Betty's murder >Comes into contact with Norman who provides him with the right resources for the job. >With this, Ned becomes the Hobgoblin > In truth, Norman is just using Ned to test out his serum and equipment. Like in Spidey 94, this is before Norman becomes the Green Goblin. Think of Ned as the Proto-Goblin in this case.
This was typed up a few threads back to go along with the green text where Betty was murdered and Peter donned the black suit to avenge her. >Ned was in love with Betty and hated Peter for "stealing" her away from him. >Wants revenge on Spidey for Betty's murder >Comes into contact with Norman who provides him with the right resources for the job. >With this, Ned becomes the Hobgoblin > In truth, Norman is just using Ned to test out his serum and equipment. Like in Spidey 94, this is before Norman becomes the Green Goblin. Think of Ned as the Proto-Goblin in this case.
That never happened.
It's explicitly canon that Kingsley became Hobgoblin/brainwashed Ned while Norman was hijacking control over Scrier in Europe and that only when he was done taking over the cult and turning it into a legit crime syndicate to further his criminal goals, did someone bother to tell him about the existence of Hobgoblin and Norma basically let it go because he had "evolved beyond being the Goblin" by that point.
Pre-retconning Kingsley as Hobgoblin, Ned had MULTIPLE motives for being Hobgoblin:
>>Just being pure evil (the Stern stories) >>Ned not being pure evil and adopting the Hobgoblin identity to kill the Kingpin to make the NYC a better place and him convincing Richard Fisk to become the Rose to infiltrate his dad's empire as his mole (Christopher Priest in an issue designed after Ned was killed) >>Ned secretly always being evil plus wanting to murder Spider-Man because Betty was having a nervous breakdown behind everyone's back thinking her mom was alive and having vivid nightmares/hallucinations about her brother being killed and Spider-Man failing to save him (Web of Spider-Man's 1991 Annual back-up on the origins of the Hobgoblin plus implied in by the by fashion in Amazing #289)
Spencer retconned Ned never having the goblin serum when he brought him back and revealed he found one of Norman's secret lairs in Europe towards the end of his run and finding a spare vial of Goblin Serum, which allowed him to survive being killed. HOWEVER, we don't know what he did before he showed back up at the end of the Spencer run, or even if he was the Ned that got Betty pregnant, as Spencer killed off the Ned clone from Clone Conspiracy early in his run even though Slott had big plans for him reintegrating himself into the main book.
Ironically, they should have just made Ned Gold Goblin, since it would let them keep Kingsley as Hobgoblin but also avoid the issue of what they will do to once Norman goes evil again.
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Anonymous
Those motives don't fit at all with what he actually fricking did without just going "lol crazy"
The one interesting thing about Ned was that he was the Hobgoblin until they retconned him to be some patsy for the REAL Hobgoblin instead. The one thing this guy had going for him and it was just taken away, just like that.
He was only made the hobgoblin after his death because priest was an butthole who removed defalco from the book and took hiss red herring literally
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nedgoblin could have worked if he actually had a final confrontation with spiderman but he went like a b***h and then macandale used the name as a jobber >verification not required
9 months ago
Anonymous
NedGoblin is just for synergy, and that makes me hate it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Is this speculation based on Ned promising not to become a supervillain in NWH, or was there a leak revealing it will happen?
9 months ago
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>Slott had big plans for him
Did he? I thought Ned made one appearance after The Clone Conspiracy, and it was shortly before Slott's run ended. I remember thinking that the only reason he was revealed to still be alive was because the MCU had recently introduced its version of Ned.
Peter cucked Ned. Betty left her husband in France to be with Peter. They fricked and Ned still tried to get her back. The dude explained it as her being “confused”. Truth is, Betty settled for Ned when she actually wanted to be with Peter.
Had Peter stuck around, then maybe the two would’ve had a chance. Her problem with Spider-Man was that he failed to save her brother. But would she have forgiven him if she knew it was Peter? Plus, Peter was really serious about her. He was planning on proposing to her after revealing he was Spider-Man.
>this run is so bad that basically nullified any romantic interest in spider-man to the point that now we are talking about past love interest because there's nothing else to go.
remember that spencer introduced the idea that Ned never died and that Betty had a relationship with him between the last run (slott) and spencer's
Shit, I had only remember hobo dead dying and for some reason was thinking pregnant Betty with his resurrection was after. It was blending in my mind with the Hobgoblin relapse, my bad
Is there a single writer left at Marvel capable of writing a stable relationship for Spider-Man? Because they basically seem to just want to write Spider-Man first and Peter's actual life a distant third. 2nd place goes to awkward tie-ins for other books.
Mayday because generational legacy characters are the best kind, plus sexo
In all seriousness, Mayday fixes roughly 100% of the issues with modern Spider-Man comics simply by existing. You can't have Mayday without also allowing Peter to finally grow up and progress as a person, and parenthood is the logical next step in his whole responsibility schtick, since being responsible for another human's existence and survival is about as big as it gets from a characterization standpoint.
In a perfect world Miles' inclusion in 616 would have been utilized to reintroduce Mayday in a satisfying and narratively meaningful way. One of the biggest complaints people have about Miles (aside from literal schizo-posting) is that he's redundant while Peter is still around. While a good writer could work around that by just having Peter mentor him (you know, like he's doing in the games), you could also give him his own time to shine WITHOUT killing off Peter, if you just gave Peter a reason to step away from heroics for a while. You know, like needing to help raise a newborn kid, and get his life together to build a stable home.
Mayday
1) Inheriting your dad's genetics is much less of a stretch than going through Pete's origin story again.
2) Her additional powers are just quirky evolutions instead of OP bullshit (she can stick people to surfaces like she does. It's basically webbing without webbing).
3) Better costume
4) Natural progression for Pete and an actual spider-family instead of cross-dimensional immigrant via cheeseburger
5) Has her own supporting cast and villains. Doesn't overly rely on Pete's cast (they're present, but not obnoxiously so)
6) Pete tries to dissuade her from being Spider-man which is completely in character instead of going "OMG your suit is so awesome and it's totally cool that you want to also use my secret identity which has a LOT of baggage with completely bloodthirsty villains", which is OOC
7) Has her own stories instead of rehasing shit that Pete's done.
8) Supported her own universe instead of bailing to live in Pete's shadow
9) Gives Pete a good end-point instead of participating in Pete's hellish 616 nightmare
10) Cute
I kind of wonder how Peter would actually react to mayday having powers at a young age. Obviously he wouldn’t be so excited like in ATSV but idk, maybe he’d find a compromise or something
I like the idea of Mayday being a cool older sister to Annie. Benjy was too young to be an actual character.
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See I'm fine with Annie being around if Mayday's there too. Then you get the daughter who takes after Peter more (Mayday) and the one who's more like MJ (Annie).
Mayday
1) Inheriting your dad's genetics is much less of a stretch than going through Pete's origin story again.
2) Her additional powers are just quirky evolutions instead of OP bullshit (she can stick people to surfaces like she does. It's basically webbing without webbing).
3) Better costume
4) Natural progression for Pete and an actual spider-family instead of cross-dimensional immigrant via cheeseburger
5) Has her own supporting cast and villains. Doesn't overly rely on Pete's cast (they're present, but not obnoxiously so)
6) Pete tries to dissuade her from being Spider-man which is completely in character instead of going "OMG your suit is so awesome and it's totally cool that you want to also use my secret identity which has a LOT of baggage with completely bloodthirsty villains", which is OOC
7) Has her own stories instead of rehasing shit that Pete's done.
8) Supported her own universe instead of bailing to live in Pete's shadow
9) Gives Pete a good end-point instead of participating in Pete's hellish 616 nightmare
10) Cute
It's still so moronic that they made Peter bring Mayday with him. It's one thing for him to be excited for her to have powers, but to literally bring her to another dimension is so moronic and makes him look like a dumb sitcom dad. You could of just showed Peter go back to his dimension at the end and see mayday if you really wanted to put her in the movie
The only way I could have seen it work would have been Peter getting dragged into it against his will while he was guarding Mayday, so he kepe her with him because well he need to bring her back to his world as fast as possible. But that demand heavy rewrite.
Most of his villains were dark mirrors in the sense that they were people who gained their powers through accidents and decided to use them for selfish purposes. His arachnid counterpart was Scorpion.
You could use her crush on Peter to explain why Flash has it out for him. Because of Peter’s short temper, Flash thinks that he’ll abuse Jessie just like his dad did to him and her. So he bullies him as a way to get him to stay away.
When I was a wee lad I had an OC superhero that I shipped with the Silver Sable. While I cringe at this today, I find solace in knowing that at least it was an original character and not a "Spidersona" bullshit. Frick Slott forever and ever for this.
I made a Spider-Sona but like, I did build a world around mine so they're more in-line with a character like Peni or Lady Spider than, say, Sun Spider or Web-Weaver.
>Lotus is going to end up being the best Spider-Man related thing to come out this year until the Insomniac game
How have Marvel's standards for this character fallen so low that a shitty fan film with a bunch of drama is going to outdo their professional comics
It's based vaguely on the BND-Slott era stuff, yes, but if it was done by a writer who didn't completely hate the concept of character progression or view the franchise purely as an opportunity to self-insert. I like Otto being more important as a sort of mentor/close partner figure while still being undeniably a piece of shit unlike Raimi Otto, they actually made Mr. Negative somewhat compelling even if he's just Nolan Two-Face, Yuri as Wraith should be a fun antihero side story. It's like if they took some of the basic ideas from Slott's run, stripped them down and then reworked them to actually fit the character.
Really the only complaint I have is that MJ sucks. Not even just because she's Ultimate style as far as her motivations go, but that she's pretty obviously in the wrong as far as her argument with Peter goes in the first game and yet it's glossed over with Peter looking like the illogical one.
I hope they just make her Spinneret by the third game, the stealth shit sucked and it makes her look bad, and it makes sense that a more proactive MJ would fit well with it. I fell for the fakeout in the first game because I just wanted RYV to happen, if not MC2. I hope they make a Mayday spinoff as the final game, would be pure ludo.
Is this some shit where you falseflag as a schizo to make older fans look bad?
I HATE the BND era. Doesn't mean a much better writer can't take a few of the ideas and rework them to be much more compelling. I would still prefer a game with the 80s-90s supporting cast and focus on villains (Kafka my beloved, what have they done to you?).
You idiots are fricking obsessed with Spider-Man threads onece a thread dies then several minutes later you make another thread. In addition to this the leaks for the ASM #31 were pointless since you the book comes out tomorrow. Thus if you had waited you would gave gotten a rip for it the next day. Now rippes won't rip for quite a awhile since there is no point in ripping a book which has already been leaked in advance, Enjoy huge delays in Spider-Man content getting ripped idiots.
I don't say this as an MJ hater but the book would improve tenfold if she simply were written out for an extended period of time because her presence poisons every storyline lately.
It's not her presence, it's the writers' insistence on making her the source of controversy. Yeah the book would be improved if they wrote her out since they would no longer be able to use her for cheap garbage storylines anymore, but honestly if she wasn't an option the current shit writers would just use someone else like Felicia.
Did you know Joe Quesada approached Jim Shooter in the early '00s to do a sequel to The Korvac Saga, but Tom Brevoort kept micromanaging every plot beat Shooter intended that he quit the project altogether? I thought that was interesting
The stuff with Felicia was sure to draw all the focus, so let's start there--it semi-worked for me! Reminded me of the way Slott parted Peter with Bobbi--the "we don't have stuff to talk about" bit. A breezy end to breezy relationship, you'd think, but the talk in Kelly's two-parter laid the groundwork for what I felt was to be a more solid pairing. I liked them together, and there was meat on the bone there, for sure.
But it's hard to complain when the stuff in front of me is hitting.
The wedding was a lovely affair, with Wells and JRJR in great form. Great gags, kinetic action and a the opening shot of something bigger and badder on the horizon. Great stuff, enhanced by a fun AF bachelorbachelorette prelude. Janice is the best; never leave ASM, I beg
also I'm chairperson of the Michelle, Defense Lawyer fan club. Admissions closed. Sorry, fellas.
The Ms. Marvel story melted my heart, I loved it so much. David Lopez is a mensch; hope Marvel has him cooking something special. A new ongoing for Kamala? Makes me swoon just thinking about it
The Kraven tale!!! You had me gasp at a page turn, Wells, you fox! Can't wait for #32 and more of that sexy sexy Gleason art.
And Slott was no slouch, either--loved the Spidey-boy prelude. He writes the hell out of a grumpy posh brit.
oh, the Jackpot tease was pretty sweet. Art on point, Felicia's voice down pat. Off the last page, with the overturned car, seems like Jackpot is more of a rescue hero, than a crime-fighter, which is neat. Again, Pepper Potts parallels. I'm keen to try the mini now
And all the extras were sweet, too! nary a tale i didn't enjoy. good issue, i sez. Go get!
The stuff with Felicia was sure to draw all the focus, so let's start there--it semi-worked for me! Reminded me of the way Slott parted Peter with Bobbi--the "we don't have stuff to talk about" bit. A breezy end to breezy relationship, you'd think, but the talk in Kelly's two-parter laid the groundwork for what I felt was to be a more solid pairing. I liked them together, and there was meat on the bone there, for sure.
But it's hard to complain when the stuff in front of me is hitting.
The wedding was a lovely affair, with Wells and JRJR in great form. Great gags, kinetic action and a the opening shot of something bigger and badder on the horizon. Great stuff, enhanced by a fun AF bachelorbachelorette prelude. Janice is the best; never leave ASM, I beg
also I'm chairperson of the Michelle, Defense Lawyer fan club. Admissions closed. Sorry, fellas.
The Ms. Marvel story melted my heart, I loved it so much. David Lopez is a mensch; hope Marvel has him cooking something special. A new ongoing for Kamala? Makes me swoon just thinking about it
The Kraven tale!!! You had me gasp at a page turn, Wells, you fox! Can't wait for #32 and more of that sexy sexy Gleason art.
And Slott was no slouch, either--loved the Spidey-boy prelude. He writes the hell out of a grumpy posh brit.
oh, the Jackpot tease was pretty sweet. Art on point, Felicia's voice down pat. Off the last page, with the overturned car, seems like Jackpot is more of a rescue hero, than a crime-fighter, which is neat. Again, Pepper Potts parallels. I'm keen to try the mini now
And all the extras were sweet, too! nary a tale i didn't enjoy. good issue, i sez. Go get!
Lol. If that guy was serious or ironic, either way they captured the exact writing style Nu-Marvel editorial has when they are not doing solicitations. It's like people are trying to capture the marketing speak that Stan and Marvel had back then but without any real charm or bite to it (i.e. passion). Plus that shit has grown so old that they are all lies now and act as the basis for gaslighting people into thinking their comics are good. Instead it's filled with Tumblr quirkiness and smugness. Slott would fit right into the Dr. Who shit he loves so much.
no this guy can only ever review things on that faux-hyper-positive way, he literally called hallow's eve #1 "a masterclass in character building" that had drop dead gorgeous art
then he dropped the mini like 2 issues in
From CBR about Amazing Spider-Man Annul - Contest of Chaos
"basically this orb force both Peter and Wolverine to fight over it. whoever keeps the orb wins. Wolverine gets the upper hand and wins then becomes a warrior for Agatha. Peter gets send back to New York and then goes to Jessica Jones to go find Wolverine"
Well speaking of which the bad thing that happens to Peter next issue that sets him off does involve MJ or Felicia. It's all Norman and his paranoia with goblin queen coming back and he's taken it out on Peter sort of speak
Yeah no I think that’s enough with these spoilers, they tried tricking us with the MJ and Cat stuff for 31, if it turns out to be real then okay but I think people aren’t going to put too much into these now
Now it ws not since the book came out yesterday so if you want it so much then go frick off to your LCR. Or just wait for a rip now both of you frick off.
How is setting up for a Slott book refusing to appeal to anyone lol. I'm always marveled at people who frequent comic book forums that don't actually like comic books.
I legitimately have no idea if there's some in-story reason why he remembers that he was Spider-Man because I don't fricking care to read this shit anymore, but didn't Mephisto erase all his memories of that shit?
As pointless as it is, I can sort of understanding them doing Superior Spider-Man one more time for the tenth anniversary, but after this, there's no excuse to bring it back again.
Well you frick off for the leakes for this book it was released yesterday so it can be ripped by anybody by now . Either rip the bloody thing or piss off. I swear spider gays are getting dumber and desperate each day not to mention just plain pathetic.
Considering that this book is doubling down on Paul n MJ as Jackpot I wonder if once Well's run is over if the they'll force the next writer to have to legit follow up on the plot threads Wells started instead of just ignoring everything that happened.
Like what if MJ being jackpot is actually gonna be a multi-year status quo for her instead of being a "only in wells run" thing.
Are they doubling down? I'd argue the opposite. Mj and Paul don't even speak and even barely hold hands while explicitly thinking of the kids. It's all rather un romantic
I think most writers and artists are doing it because they don't want the kind of online infamy attached with this run. He'll even the backup/annual barely treat paul like he's there. He's like wallpaper post asm 30.
This line isn't bad, but it's hilarious how this shit is getting people equally riled up to any thing else in this run. I think wells could donate money to charity and people would still try to find a way to hate him.
Some old ASM would be the last thing I read, which I didn't like either really. I'm in the middle of the Clone saga. My favorite era was '70s to '80s. Who cares? I mean it isn't that big of a deal compared to anything else from this run like you said, but it's not in character, it's not funny, and it's also not appropriate in the context.
I'm not someone who complains about cynicism a lot like you'll see with some people here, but making fun of a story that heartfelt is pretty unbearably cynical.
It’d be off brand for Peter to get with another superhero. They need to be a normie. Even though Chat’s a mutant, she isn’t a superhero. She’s ultimately still a normie even with her powers.
You could probably get away with making Betty a hapa. Her design wouldn’t need to be tweaked much at all. Maybe slant the eyes a bit but that’s it. Something like pic related.
Just make Spider-Man cool again. If they wrote him like he used to be, or just a brainier Yusuke Urameshi, then he’ll be cool again. Socially awkward nerds aren’t cool, they’re lame. Short tempered smart guys with the mouth to match are cool and more interesting.
Living in a comic book must be like being in Groundhog Day, living the same day over and over. Especially since their autistic readers can't stand change.
That’s because they take the wrong lesson from Ditko/Lee. 60/70’s Spider-Man was always growing. He graduated high school, he started college, he found a job, he found a girl, he moved out of his Aunts house. No matter what was happening it was always forward progress and forward momentum. They never let Peter suffer from arrested development like todays writers do. It wasn’t just Peter either. Flash, Gwen, Betty, Jameson, Harry and all the rest of the spider cast was allowed to grow and develop and change as the years went on. Villains were allowed to die or retire or reform. It felt believable cause they didn’t have to pull the reset button.
Hobgoblin in the 80s was the first chink in the armour. Then as soon as Peter’s robot parents showed up the book was cooked. If you read ASM after Maximum Carnage you’re only going to get suffering.
>Hobgoblin in the 80s was the first chink in the armour. Then as soon as Peter’s robot parents showed up the book was cooked. If you read ASM after Maximum Carnage you’re only going to get suffering.
I would say that post-Maximum Carnage Spider-Man varies from okay to really bad, but is still preferrable over Byrne-era where there were excessive rollbacks (Sandman being a villain again, Flash Thompson being an butthole again. etc)
Spider-boys Kaijin form kinda dull he should more monstrous underneath the costume when using his powers.
and Vecchio makes the osborn costume even weirder looking with the high coller and the helmet which even gleeson never bothered with
I've got another idea: Just end it already. Spiderman, Xmen, Justice League, all this shit, let it rest already. Come up with new stories. Do Sci-fi, fantasy, mystery thriller, whatever.
These IPs are brands known throughout the whole world. Especially Spider-Man. Spidey still rakes in billions from movies, games and merch. Shutting him down would be the dumbest thing they can do.
Obviously I know that, but it's not always about the money. Like, take OP for a second. He said they should reboot it. Now let me ask you, will tomorrow it be announced that they will reboot Spiderman because a guy on Cinemaphile requested it?
If he can dream that it should be rebooted, i can dream that these zombie franchises can finally be allowed to rest.
The problem is that they’ve held on to the same exact continuity since the 60s. That will always be daunting for any newcomer to come into. Especially with how current writers ignore it and do their own thing anyway, inevitably confusing the readers who do want to go read the old stuff to catch up. Again, it’s just one of many issues that Marvel has. That and floppies. They’re too expensive, outdated and only nerds buy them. Newcomers like the graphic novel format. It’s more bang for their buck.
>Just reboot the damn thing already
This is why we're in this mess in the first place.
What people want is grown-up, married Spider-man.
Which is why I always advocate for Peter being 17 when he gets bit, even in a reboot, as it gets through the high school bullshit quicker to get the character to adulthood much sooner.
They tried that with ultimate and bendis kept pete in the setting for over a decade anon. Just accept it anon, there isn’t anything in comics for people who like these characters anymore
He kept him 15 until he decided to age him one year much later in the run. Even though the rest of Ultimate definitely progressed through several years, all of Spidey and by extension the rest of the Ultimate U happened in a single year.
that was Bendis frickery. USM is shit after Ultimate Six anyway
That’s how I’d do it too.
Yeah so here's the problem with that. Constantly rebooting spiderman is what caused a major death spiral at Marvel. Instead of realizing they needed completely fresh blood, that they needed to make this living universe live instead of stay as a vegetable that they're attempting to bring back for the dozenth time instead of pulling the plug. I don't like miles but he's been the only goddamn thing invigorating peoples love for comics even though he's a shit character. .
It’s still the same continuity since ASM#15. No reboots there.
Meant to say AF#15
Soft reboots are still reboots. Moving back to the status quo causes fatigue. Things have to end unless all you want are artists who are going to die and leave you with nothing to replace them with as they move to anime and the sonic fandom.
>What people want is grown-up, married Spider-man.
Honestly even grown up divorced spider-man would be better than what we have now.
Man-child, forever alone Spider-man only appeals to Marvel's boomer editorial (Quesada, Brevoot, Slot. They're all from the 60s)
Literally no one wants that.
Married spider-man? There's certainly a lot of people that do lol.
Yes they do you glowie corporate shill
Doesn't need a reboot though, just proper writing.
The whole Marvel U needs a reboot. It’s gone on for way too long.
Nah at this point, it needs a reboot. The issue is will there be good Spider-Man writers once that reboot happs.
Short king
maybe ben wouldn't drink so much coffee if he didn't have to work at a coffeeshop for years because he had no legal documentation
Ben HAD legal documentation.
Seward created everything Ben needed BEFORE Sensational #1.
He did it when he was trapped in CyberSpace at the end of the Scarlet Spider run.
HobGoblin/Gaunt/Osborn ruined his reputation at the Daily Grind.
What a waste of a costume.
If only there was some way to replace the Clone Saga with Spidey hooking up with Miles and teaching him how to be a super hero as his non-hero responsibilities took up more and more of his life.
God no. Miles has always been cancer.
>Clone Saga but Miles is a black clone of Peter
Why would you want to replace a good story with a bad one?
Just read Ditko-Lee.
Why would you read the current stuff at all? Let it die, already.
Spider-Man was never about youth. It's always been about growing up.
Matt Wagner’s Dark Moon Rising took two Golden Age stories and expanded them each into a 6 issue miniseries. Something similar can be done with the Ditko-Lee material. Using those stories as a foundation to do so much more.
I don't think you could. Whereas nobody gives a shit about Golden/Silver Age DC stories, the Lee/Kirby/Ditko era is practically gospel to Marvel. But something like Mark Waid's World's Finest, where it's an original story but just set sometime in the past, could work.
So more Untold Tales?
>where it's an original story but just set sometime in the past, could work.
Already happened
Suppose they decide to reboot things back to the Ditko-era and instead of MJ and Gwen, they went back to Betty and Liz. Who’d work best for Pete?
One could do just as Ditko-Lee did with the characters, or take the dynamic through another route. In going the Ultimate route and making Liz into Firestar, you could have Liz fall for Spider-Man as he helps her control her powers, but is cold to Peter Parker. Betty, as a contrast, falls for Peter but hates Spider-Man for not being able to save her brother. Liz hates Peter but loves Spider-man. Betty loves Peter but hates Spider-Man. You could use this as a source of internal conflict within Peter. Should he choose Betty for the normal life? Or Liz for the hero one?
But why would Liz hate Peter?
Dude’s got a mouth on him, and an attitude to match. It’s the reason why he didn’t have many friends in high school. Plus, she doesn’t really hate him. More like doesn’t like him.
>miles
of course ahmed couldn't help himself
I choose to believe that's Randy.
Ferreyra's randy is weird
Aha, the upcoming Sinister Spider-Man mini.
Not a fan of Ahmed, but I do like Ferreyra's art. Although Randy looks like a chick here.
This November, Cletus Kasady is reborn in a brand-new CARNAGE ongoing series by writer Torunn Grønbekk and artist Pere Pérez. This reunion between Marvel’s most savage symbiote and its favorite host will put all super heroes on high alert and lay the groundwork for the next VENOM epic.
The series will spin out of the current DEATH OF THE VENOMVERSE limited series where Carnage is on a murder spree through the Venomverse, slaughtering his way to the throne of the King in Black! His dark ascent to power is only beginning and now he’s back on the hunt for Cletus, loyal followers, and more…
Describing the new series, Grønbekk said, "What are powers without purpose? Having hunted down and triumphed over his greatest weaknesses, Carnage’s powers are unrivaled. However, a piece is still missing—the symbiote needs a host with the ambition to match its own. And for Carnage, there was only ever one. (And you know who!)"
"I knew writing Carnage would be an opportunity to explore some pretty dark themes, but I am surprised and delighted to find that the darkness is coming from some unexpected places," she added. "It is my kind of horror—overwhelmingly gruesome, but still rooted firmly in humanity. Expect big symbiote action, mysteries, myth, and murder. This is gospel, according to Cletus Kasady, and he is the end of the world as we know it."
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Written by TORUNN GRØNBEKK
Art by PERE PÉREZ
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How many times is Carnage gonna be reborn
We keep going until Kasady gets his entire body back and his original symbiote. Then we just stop killing him all the time.
an entire arc about the carnage symbiote freeing itself from its host...only to undo all that...bruhhhhh
Why would the symbiote want to separate from Cletus anyway?
If this was an anime, their synch-level would be 110% to Eddie's 60% (I'm not quantifying Flash's 'drug the symbiote until it develops stockholm syndrome from you choosing not to drug it that day' thing)
EXACTLY. wasn't the whole thing with Carnage that Cletus and the symbiote were bonded so closely they'd effectively merged?? hence why he refers to himself with "I" rather than "we".
If I remember right, they once ripped off the symbiote and destroyed it without killing Cletus.
But Cletus had the symbiote in his cells so it eventually regenerated
Whenever it bonds to another host, it tried to make them more like Cletus.
Cletus has had his head blown apart and survived because he's basically a goop monster when he's Carnage, and it fixed(?) his lower body after he was torn in two (though art was inconsistent on that, sometimes he had/has robot legs so I dunno).
That being said, maybe other hosts also survive being blown up while wearing a symbiote, Carnage is the one I have pages of it happening though.
eddie's recovered from some pretty gnarly injuries thanks to symbiote powers, and while I'm not fully caught up on the cosmic horror venom thing I think he's part symbiote now and he just straight up grows himself a new body at some point
The whole Knull nonsense really made me tune out of symbiote comics.
Well the Klyntar first, but Knull was just such an unneeded origin story. It didn't add anything to the symbiotes, it just used the symbiotes to support C...Cates'? Coates'?... The shitty OC that is knull.
I feel bad for him.
It’s why I prefer the symbiote to be a lab experiment like in Ultimate. That alien shit’s just too out there for Spider-Man. Making it man-made keeps it close to home.
I think the 90s cartoon did a good job
It's a long-lived completely alien being (experience of millenia) that was dormant on mars
Do we know anything more specific?
No.
do we need to?
No.
The symbiotes here and it's a weird alien existence (in a universe where the x-men actually meet humanoid aliens... frick, what's the purple superman dude... Gladiator? I don't remember.)
Yeah, it's, uh... yeah.
wild. how did this even happen anyways??
also lmao he's naked AGAIN
It’s a shame Carnage is trapped in his own book because he’s exactly what ASM needs right now. He could solve so many ongoing problems with the Spider series:
>Regain his symbiote from Norris and Liz so we can stop having so many of Peter’s human friends running around in a symbiote.
>Cure Norman of his sinless life since Norman wore him AND Carnage overcame Sin Eaters powers in Axis when he was Carnage-Man
>Gut Paul like a fish because frick that guy
>Restore Ben’s memories and turn him back from his life as Chasm. Since Ben wore Carnage back in Web of Carnage, he could use that codex to restore all of Ben’s memories and make it so he no longer holds a grudge against Peter anymore and can go back to being a hero.
The story is right there. Just have Mephisto decide to frick with Chasm by restoring the memory of him being the Spider-Carnage and let him loose from hell in order to track Carnage down. Carnage decides to help (why not, he just restored Morlun’s power and freed him for no reason) and upon bonding, restores Ben’s memories, discovering that Spider-Man is Peter Parker and using that he decides to go after everyone Peter loves. Along the way he kills Paul who sacrifices himself for MJ (her Jackpot powers don’t do anything and she retires from heroics.) He goes after Liz and Normie and takes their Carnage knock offs. Norman puts up a fight but Carnage fricks with his head. Eventually Norman, Peter and Ben team up to stop Carnage and we get a cliffhanger where Norman starts going Stormin’ Norman again.
He is the most elegant retcon that Peter could possibly have right now.
Too optimistic. Editorial, Nick Lowe, and Wells all have a hate boner for Peter.
Is Carnage the type to just cause chaos for the sake of it and is willing to not kill some villains so that they cause more suffering or could be of some use to him? I'm trying to wrap my head around Carnage being just a straight up copy of the Joker or if he really is unique because I haven't read too much Cletus. It seems like both characters struggle from writers wanting different directions. I'm fine with both going on villain teams that they then betray.
Carnage has a reason for what he does. And right now he's focused on killing every Venom in the multiverse so he can kill the King In Black (616 Eddie Brock)
>I'm trying to wrap my head around Carnage being just a straight up copy of the Joker
It's really more like modern writers have turned the Joker into a straight up copy of Carnage
Carnage is more like xasz than joker.
Carnage has teamed up (and betrayed and killed) a fair amount of villains over the years. That was the whole deal with the Maximum Carnage event. He is 1000% about chaos for chaos’ sake. He can be persuaded into sparing innocent people if they convince him it’s more chaotic/unexpected.
Nah, just retcon the MU to right before Avengers Disassembled
The only good thing Bendis did was having Sentry murder Carnage.
I don't read comics because I'm a humongous homosexual, but this sounds exactly like the last Carnage special I remember seeing on Cinemaphile.
I hate this shit basically spoiled Death to the Venomverse.
It’s the cycle Carnage has been in since 2016 or so. He’s trapped in constant event build.
>Gets his own book
>Builds up his power level
>Spirals into a Venom crossover event where the focus switches to Venom
>Jobs at the end of the event
>Gets his own book after a few months to rehab his power level and image
>The cycle repeats
He’d be better off if Brock could develop an actual rogues gallery and stop relying on Carnage all the time.
James Franco originally auditioned for the role of Spider-Man, but lost it to Tobey Maguire. Honestly, he would've been a better choice for the role as he'd be more accurate to Ditko/Romita Pete, with Tobey as a more faithful Harry. Even the movies switched their dynamic around. Comic Pete was the dominant one. Franco would've been able to sell the more short-tempered and arrogant side to Pete that is rarely seen in live action media.
Nah, Franco at that age was too good looking to pull off the HS nerd that Maguire did a good job with, and even when Franco turned the butthole off to play Harry as close to [eter as possible in SM3 when Harry loses his memory and is grateful for everything, it felt cringey and out of character, which is what his Peter Parker would have been like, and awful mess.
Ditko Pete was short tempered and arrogant, but plenty confident and good-looking. A far cry from the loser wallflower nerd that people seem to think he is. Franco could’ve portrayed a Peter that was true to the source rather than the direction they decided to go with.
is there a comic based on this figure or this figure based on a comic anywhere?
The Venom shark that came with that was cool.
Oh okay
Because "Chapter One" worked so well
That’s on John Byrne. Just because he failed to make it work, doesn’t mean it’d never work. Plus, he made a lot of unnecessary changes when all he had to do was use the original stories as a base and flesh them out for modern consumption.
We had chapter one.
We had Marvel Age
We had Marvel adventures
We had Ultimate
We had Spidey
At the end of the day people still go back to Lee and Ditko's stuff.
What's Marvel Age?
It’s the precursor to Marvel Adventures. It was designed to modernize the original stories while also functioning as an All Ages title for kids.
How long did this initiative of making All Ages titles that modernize old stories for kids last?
A few years.
I read some of the Marvel Adventures stories for Hulk and they were decent, then again it was written by Peter David. What do you think of Marvel Adventures?
It got good when Paul Tobin came on and did his own thing with it.
Chat’s existence proved Stern right.
I will never understand why you do this
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I liked 'em a lot as a kid. Reread some recently, still enjoyed 'em. Pretty cozy.
Who do people here think ot Ditko? Not just Spider-Man, but as a person and his other works?
Ditko wanted a much more grounded world for Spider-Man. He wanted Peter to deal with true to life situations while having Spidey in darker ones. Of course, what was considered "grounded" and "dark" in the 60s is a bit different nowadays, especially with what they were allowed to do. Now, you can have things go darker and more true to life.
He also preferred that he existed in his own universe, separate from the rest of the Marvel U.
Stan wanted Spidey to be more lighthearted and comedic. To have more fantastical elements in his setting, complete with crossovers with other heroes like the F4.
That's ultimately, to me at least, is what led to Ditko leaving. This, along with a combination of his growing objectivism view, led him to not being able to compromise with his vision, so he left. Though, let's all be honest here, Stan was the reason why Spidey is as popular as he is. Ditko may have created all the other things, and yes I know I sound stupid, but it was Stan's dialouge and nature that led to many people relating with Spidey, along with toning down what Ditko wanted, like the protest scene in #38. You can see in Ditko's work after Spidey that there was a reason why Stan handled dialogue.
Honestly, I prefer a darker Spidey. He’s start out a bit more antihero-like in a much more grounded world, with the more fantastical elements of the greater Marvel U slowly revealing themselves over time. Like instead of Spidey meeting the F4 early on, he’d meet characters like Daredevil and the Punisher. The F4 and the Avengers would work better as a Year 2/3 for Spidey.
I just don't see it. Even in that image I think he looks too goofy.
Would you prefer the black suit? Ideally, I’d have Pete wear the red and black Ditko suit for Year One, and then transition into his classic red and blue for Year 2.
What’s the protest scene?
Why is Peter trying to hunt down Kraven in ASM 32 again?
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This shit is getting out of hand this the THIRD spider-man general thread made in the SAME day piss off with these threads moron..
>Only three threads
Meh, I've seen worse.
Actually I think the people's response is pretty apathetic for a spiderman controversial comic.
Everyone already knew how this shit will go.
I said it was the third general thread of spider-man in one day. And too many general threads in one day can be seen as spam.
>Spam
Two threads are spam now?
alll in the same day piss off reatrd.
People like Spider-Man. Deal with it.
You are overflowing Cinemaphile with these threads you keep this shit up and you may get reported by someone soon.
Different people are making these threads. Spider-Man’s a popular character, dude.
He was a a popular character once now everyone hates Peter to the core and love miles instead.
No Way Home making a billion dollars with three Peters proves otherwise.
There is a huge difference between the popularity of comics and live actions movies.
And the games. Comics are still seen as this niche thing for nerds.
He's exaggerating for some reason, the third thread he posted is already archived and the second one is a Miles thread.
The reaction isn't even that strong as other spiderman comics.
Actually I think people are pretty meh and apathetic for a spiderman comic
>for some reason
it's gwenschizo, he's here to kill yet another thread. Ignore him
You idiots are fricking obsessed with Spider-Man threads onece a thread dies then several minutes later you make another thread. In addition to this the leaks for the ASM #31 were pointless since you the book comes out tomorrow. Thus if you had waited you would gave gotten a rip for it the next day. Now rippes won't rip for quite a awhile since there is no point in ripping a book which has already been leaked in advance, Enjoy huge delays in Spider-Man content getting ripped idiots.
onec a blckohead
alwysa a blokchead
No rips of spider-man books for you spider gays. you can be damn sure they won't be ripped tomorrow when they come out. Enjoy the suffering
You aren't even a ripper you peice o shit, now frick back to Cinemaphile to larp as a OP leaker, juanito.
No ripper wants to rip spider-man content that's why rips for them come get dealyed more and more.
I may not be a ripper but if was I sure as frick would not waste my ripping it since I would see it as waste of my time since seeing as it got already got leaked online.
>People like Spider-Man. Deal with it.
lol you thinks these threads are made out of love for Spider-Man? WRONG they exist only for one reason to shit on him as hard as possiable.
Yes, but we hate Spider-man comics 2007-now.
The third one was started yesterday and is already archived.
>"Stop talking about comic book characters on Cinemaphile!"
I'd settle for a good Untold Tales book with Peter in glasses/sweater vest and tie/Ditko mode.
He wore a sweater vest because it was the 60s. Modern Ditko Peter likely wouldn’t be wearing one.
Spider-Woman Wages War Against Her Greatest Enemies in New Solo Series
Steve Foxe and Carola Borelli launch a new 'Spider-Woman' ongoing series this November.
This November, Jessica Drew has a new mission, and this time, it’s personal!
Announced last month at San Diego Comic-Con, SPIDER-WOMAN is a new ongoing series that spins directly out of GANG WAR, the upcoming crossover that sees war erupt between New York City’s deadliest crime lords. Written by Steve Foxe (X-MEN ANNUAL, DARK X-MEN) and drawn by rising star Carola Borelli, Jessica Drew will strike out in a brand-new direction as she’s tasked by Spider-Man to take down some of her most bitter foes.
But something has made Jessica angrier than ever, and her ruthless crime fighting will shock her fellow heroes during and beyond the events of GANG WAR. As she tries to solve the heartbreaking mystery that's upended her entire world, Spider-Woman will come face-to-face with a terrifying new force of evil. Fans can discover more about what kicks off Jessica’s dramatic new journey in a special preview in tomorrow’s AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #31!
The Web of Destiny restored Spider-Woman’s life, but even Captain Marvel and Madame Web can tell something’s changed. After Viper engineers a deadly union between Hydra and Diamondback that’s about to tear the city apart, Spider-Man wants to recruit her for a new team to face an all-new foe – one who is powerful enough to destroy the city while burning Spider-Woman’s world to the ground.
"Jessica Drew has been my favorite Marvel heroine since I was a kid,” Foxe said. “From the instantly classic costume to her complex backstory, there's just so much to her. She's a spy, a street-smart detective, a superheroic best friend, an Avenger, a Spider-Verse-hopper, a mother, and a survivor. Getting the chance to do it alongside Carola, as well as Eric Koda on our prologue, has been bioelectric heaven."
... They really can't grasp that Jess doesn't sell, can they?
What do you mean, she's on Spider-Verse!
-CB, probably
It sells, but these brainless geniuses at Marvel only choose the worst artists and the worst writers and to make it worse the most pathetic editors, just call John Byrne or Gail Simone with Ed Benes and Bang, sales sploding
They're hoping Gwen wanting Spider-Black to be her mommy in Across the Memeverse might push some sales
All I'm saying is they wouldn't have to keep trying and failing to get a female Spider-Book that people will actually read and give a shit about if they just stopped being petty weirdos and gave Mayday a new ongoing
I doubt mayday will change much what with spider saturation being a thing nowadays.
Cant you have Jackpot rn lol, gonna rile the peterMJ crowd more than they already are.
For what I have read in some bad quality pictures, it seems Jessica's baby has disappeared. Probably a side effect of her being erased, as her baby wouldn't have ever born.
Personally, I don't want her to lose her baby. Unlike the whole thing with MJ's "kids", Gerry was a real thing.
>Carola Borelli
Look at that, they chose another woman who can't draw sexy women
Where are we? 2023 NU Marvel
"The events of GANG WAR ended up being the perfect springboard for a story that embraces what Zeb [Wells] and co. are doing in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN while also telling a distinctly Spider-Woman saga—with lasting ramifications for some of her closest relationships—in her own book," he continued. "Few characters have been through Hell like Jessica Drew has been through Hell, and I'm so excited to throw even more at her."
SPIDER-WOMAN #1
Written by STEVE FOXE
Art by CAROLA BORELLI
Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Variant Cover by BENGAL
Variant Cover by FELIPE MASSAFERA
On Sale 11/29
Check out some early covers now and don’t miss the action-packed premiere of Spider-Woman’s new era this November!
Frankly, now that i am reading the new GR run, i am having fun with it.
Anon. Do you really think a hard reboot is all that the shitty writers and editors at Marvel needs to write good Spider-Man stories?
Stop replying to gwenschizo.
Nah, let Lowe lose his shit.
Your books will still not get ripped tomorrow.
Weirdo.
Peter would never let his 8 year old daughter fight crime. That’s child endangerment. Remember, the guy’s supposed to be Mr. Responsibility. He wouldn’t even let MJ in on it.
He didn’t want them to, they fought to help save him to do it. It’s different than him dragging his infant around incredibly dangerous situations after ending his marriage because he was afraid for his family. The comic builds peter up as a person through his family, the movie drags him down as a man to prop up others with the same mask
You don’t need his family to be superheroes to do it. Just being there to welcome him with open arms after beating the bad guy is all that’s needed. To give him something to fight for. To make all the shit he has to deal with worth it in the end.
Peter would give up being Spider-Man before he’d give up on his family.
Damn straight
It’s why I liked spider girl, pete was a happy retired dude for over a decade before his daughter developed her powers. The niche that RYV had was nice and it was annoying when the time skip happened, especially considering how little they changed pete and MJs designs to show their age
Get that kid away from her!!!
I never seen cebulski ever shill spider-man story before.
Is Radioactive Spider-Cum getting a sequel?
Why is it notorious? I though people liked Reign. Peter climbing to the top of the tower to fight everyone and die and starting with 'Stop me if you've heard this one before' is peak kino spidey moment.
It's probably aimed at the people who only know about the original story because of the semen page. It's like when they marketed Ben's solo series from 2017 with the line, "One of the most controversial characters in comics has returned — and the controversy has only BEGUN!
That's because lowe hates ben.
Was Ben ever controversial? I thought the consensus was always clone saga = bad, ben = good
I love Karee Andrews. Is that from tomorrow's issue?
KINO
Is this ghost MJ or resurrected MJ I can't tell.
It's just a realdoll he's carrying around
>canyon hear ryhmesthe children begun to sing
This a bastardize version of Les Mesrable?
RYV could have been redeemed if it ended with Norman sending kid Annie into that big web in the sky.
It’d definitely send the message that little kids shouldn’t be going out playing superhero.
But how would he kill her?
Impaling her with his glider for graphic death scene. Explosion from pumpkin bomb for less graphic death scene. Have her die in her parents’ arms.
I think Norman would use her death to psychologically torture Peter. Maybe giving him false hope that she's alive, only to inevitably find her dead.
Norman would never do this type of shit, ultimate would but still he got fricked hard by miles and peter.
He knew he fricked up when Gwen died.
If anything, he would rather torture peter into becoming him and let he do the deal than stain his hands.
Modern Marvel would make half the cast black and gay.
Spectacular already racebended some of the cast. MCU Spidey went all the way with it with only Peter and Betty staying white. They also made Betty look like Gwen Stacy for some reason which was weird.
They need to go back to the good old days of Peter x Gwen. Spider-Man went down the toilet ever since he married Mary who kek
Some of Pete’s best stories and character growth happened after the marriage anon
seems like worthwhile chapter for once, so storytime
It’s weird that people know who lizard is, I guess not anymore considering it’s hard to hide from the fact you are your family, but still
I have a random activity we could do but I'll wait until That's All is done with his preview dump
that's all
Yeah we know that's your name. Did you forget?
Alright so; Jackpot. Looks like this is MJ's new gimmick for a while. Can it work? What writer could? Frick if I know, but let's try and have fun with it anyway and make the best out of a shitty run.
I'm going to write a simple premise for MJ as if she has her own solo series. Leave this here
>http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Random
And then you tell me how she solves the problem with this random power she rolled, if at all. I'm hoping for some really dumb shit where she fumbles with either a new or useless power, possibly making situations worse due to inexperience as a superhero.
First setup: "Oh my god! There's a bomb on this subway car, and it's being held by that deranged pants-less homeless man!"
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Spath%C3%ADkinetic_Combat
MJ cuts to bomb so faster than the chemical reactions that should take place and also cuts the villain's legs.
>Give me Spider-Man: Year One and go from there.
Already tried it. People didn't respond well so it got retconned out.
Yeah because Spider-Man canon was still good then, the only stain on the legacy was clone saga at that point. But after civil war, sins past, the slott run, the Paul MJ cancer. Spiderman canon is irreversibly tainted. Only option is to reboot
Clone Saga was pretty damn rough and so were the parent LMDs. Never did read chapter one but I could imagine it was poorly received because of its quality instead of just the idea in general.
Its funny that slott says most of the critique he gets is b/c the internet exists and that people would've been way harsher on older runs.
>Back to basics
How boring.
No need. Give Peter a family. A loving wife. Healthy kids. Stable income. [spoiled]And then, take him and his family on a globe trotting adventure. Take him to Beijing or Tokyo for a change. Let him try to unravel a global conspiracy.[/spoiler]
Why would he endanger his family like that? If shit’s going south, he’ll send them back home while he takes care of things there. Also, Pete’s a working class guy. He can’t afford to take his family on these expensive trips to foreign places.
He can afford it because the guy said he would have a stable income. ie not a shit paying job at the daily bugle
Would a Daily Bugle show in the vein of Lois & Clark work for Spidey? The main cast being Peter, Betty, Robbie, Jonah and Eddie.
Basically, a show with an adult Peter working a full time job at the Bugle while also being Spider-Man.
>Romance with Betty
>Rivalry with Eddie
>Robbie as a mentor
>And Jonah being Jonah.
>Rivalry with Eddie
Or Ned.
Nah. Ned’s pretty lame and with Eddie, we’d eventually get Venom.
Eddie never worked at daily bugle he worked at daily globe
Adaptations.
He worked at the bugle for Spidey 94, Spidey 2000 and Spider-Man 3. Spidey 94 was the first to do it and other adaptations followed suit. It’s just a better idea to have him work at the Bugle. Just another case of an adaptation making improvements on the source material.
That's because Eddie's always been shit and so has his forced hatred of Spider-Man
Nah
Reboot frickers are absolutely braindead. The problem is not the continuity it's the frickheads currently driving the bus.
Even if you clean house on the editorial side of things, you’ll still have the problem with dealing with all the bullshit from before. The best solution is to clean house on all fronts. Start completely fresh.
>Even if you clean house on the editorial side of things, you’ll still have the problem with dealing with all the bullshit from before.
You don't have to deal with all the stupid bullshit from the past anon, you can always retcon the stupid shit in the most lazy way imaginable, remember how they retconed sins past? With the whole Mysterio fricking with normal? It was stupid, it was lazy but readers still were willing to accept it and go with it because it erased one of the worst characters assassinations in the comic industry.
Just do the same with this shit, just retcon it in the most irrespetful way possible, make it all just be a weird nightmare or some illusionary dimension created by some jerk god who just wanted to mess with Peter and that's it.
Or just use time travel to do it.
This shit’s been going on for 60 years. Just fricking end it already. How do you expect to bring in new readers if you’ve had the same continuity since the 60s. The quality of storytelling and art back then wasn’t to modern standards. Newcomers won’t accept it.
This is going to be an issue in ten years, now that they have all these tie in yearly events happening. How much longer can you really stretch peter in mid 20's for a run, this whole run already had a year past so he's definitely 25 -30 range now. Now add in 5 more hellfire gala event tie ins, he's gonna reach over 30-35 what then? IDK how you wanna keep peter as the same amber person at that point, but it will be way harder to justify unless you pulled an time reboot.
Ewing resolved this. Time passes except it doesn't, this is canon.
60s Spider-Man is superior in every way to the Spider-Man of the past 10 years.
Newcomers will be put off by the writing and art. The plots themselves are fine, but the everything else not so much.
>Newcomers will be put off by the writing and art.
Both are better than what's been in Spider-Man these past 10 years. I was born decades after the 60s, if I can enjoy these issues, anyone can.
You don’t represent everyone. The average person will think it looks too old and wouldn’t want to read it for that very reason.
Your claim is unsubstantiated.
Most people don’t watch black & white movies for the same reason. It looks too old.
Plenty of people watch old movies and television shows and read old books.
Not enough to turn a profit. Plus, the oldest most go is the 80s. Even then, that’s for classics like Terminator and Robocop.
You are way off. If old movies weren't profitable, you wouldn't even be able to buy them.
Honest to god lets return romita jr, hes outlived his art career at this point.
No takers? Aw....
I'm way too tired. Maybe tomorrow
I liked how they gave Peter arched eyebrows in TNAS. It makes him look intimidating which is good as it would keep certain people from approaching him which is a phenomenon that happens in the real world. You look like you’re perpetually pissed or “evil”, not a lot of people are going to want to talk to you.
Will Ben be a member of Dark X-Men?
He’s not a mutant so no.
Neither is Albert
Who?
The Cyborg that looks like a patched Wolverine
Does not matter they wiil simply turn him into a mutant somehow.
Come to think it Mutant clone Ben Reilly has a nice ring to it.
God I hope not
bro what if...we told the old spider-man stories...but again????? this would fix EVERYTHING
Spoilers, same source that leaked stuff that constantly got proven right
A nice friendship moment where Randy bachelor party didn't go well with Peter being the only one there, Randy got pissed at Peter when he said he forgot to tell all his other friends about the party and tell off Peter. later Randy came back, and found out that his other friends just simply didn't want to go to the party due to Randy marrying a super villain and Peter was tryng to spare Randy the hurt feelings by taking the blame. Randy tells Peter, he's his best friend. which is sweet. and the Bachelorette party, with Janice and the sinister syndicate, which Felicia crash. turns out the Janice telling Felicia that Randy telling her to change her life of crime is a sign he really love her and cares which prompt Felicia to have doubt with her relationship with Peter which leads to the scene that leaked. well the Wedding happened but everything goes to shit and was called off due to the assassinations happening and Janice attending to her father leaving with him to the ambulance from Randy[/spoilers]
on some of the backups.
[spoilers]lead in to the Kraven story with Kraven fighting Queen Goblin which leads to them having sex with Kraven waking up in bed next to her. Otto talking to himself as he trying to relive his greatest hits and do a redo of Superior Spiderman. some Spiderboy back up that I don't really care for. the Mary Jane backup that been spoil but the scene with Felicia helping MJ out[/spoilers]
>that kraven/kafka bit
Never thought it was possible to rape a guy as hard as Marvel is raping DeMatteis.
Norman now has company, while he was boning Mysterio, now Kraven is boning his worse half.
I guess because they're both clones? Makes it easy to ignore for her I guess
Sounds like a rehash of the Betty BND story, like literally word for word a rehash of that story by Waid
Back when Pete could still talk to women without pissing and shitting himself.
Always the way.
I get the feeling that Hickman doesn't like comics too much sometimes
I feel as though, this was written just before he left the offices, and is just him expressing how he feels about Spidey, given that him and Miles didn't do much in Secret Wars. I also thought we got kind of a insight into his thought process about stories during Secret Wars ending, with how the story that started all of the Marvel Universe, having reached it's endpoint. But, I am autistic, so I'm an idiot.
What was the Spider-Boy back up though so I can break apart Slott's writing.
>Norman's sins are an STD
No fap Norman real?
da actual REAL spoilers from an ESL moron who hasn't posted his moron fanfic yet:
peta parka will 4get his memories and becum just like nightwig and become ric grayson o.O watch it happen guyz.... im 2 correct...
I'd rather eat rocks then see amnesiac peter and all his friends not helping him because deus ex plot machina.
Hope you're hungry
So as everyone figured out there's no reason for them to separate.
Whatever works for randy and janoce has jacksquat to do with PeterxFelicia or with anyone else for that matter.
It's utter nonsense.
Just read
Felicia was never around for Peter to even get on about her robberies… then the goodbye was just flat and isn’t even worth a thought through the rest of the pages to Peter.
Spoiler pics came out days ago and the break up is super contrived and out of left field because zeb never wrote anything for the relationship for this to have any lead up.
>turns out the Janice telling Felicia that Randy telling her to change her life of crime is a sign he really love her and cares which prompt Felicia to have doubt with her relationship with Peter
What the frick am I reading? Why would Felicia doubt her relationship with Peter because of this in current time
Spider-Man needs a good fresh new artist, everything for past ten years been same old same old or bad.
so is the Reign 2 shit like in continuity ASM shit or a follow up mini
Sequel to the original
It's just so weird seeing the world around Peter move on and grow without him. And I know it's out of character bad writing, but right now I'm feeling like Peter is also too good for MJ
It's not even like she had any choice in the matter. It's quite literally forced in universe
The only way for Peter to move on and grow is to stop being Spider-Man. And to move out of New York and get a real job with his degree or back to journalism.
Ditko-Lee considered making Peter a reporter for the Daily Bugle. But no, you can’t realistically retire the character. He’s a household name and people can’t get enough of him in ALL media.
All his friends were getting married and having kids before him, the guy who's always wanted those things.
the only up-side of all the shitty new comics is that every time I see a shitty new comic I get a spark of spite-based motivation to work on my fan-comic*
*technically it's a fanfic because I'm not much of an artist but I want to make it into a comic eventually
>JJ yelling at Peter's crotch
I would honestly kill for a spidey mini series by O’Mally
Betty looks real cute here bros
CUTE
CUTE..
we all know this at least those who read the original 200 issues.
blame spencer.
that came out of nowhere.
That wasn't Spencer, you idiot
yes he was.
remember that spencer introduced the idea that Ned never died and that Betty had a relationship with him between the last run (slott) and spencer's
The one interesting thing about Ned was that he was the Hobgoblin until they retconned him to be some patsy for the REAL Hobgoblin instead. The one thing this guy had going for him and it was just taken away, just like that.
now we are in a sort of limbo in which Ned is the Hobgoblin but not quite so.
basically sharing the mantle because that's useful to the REAL Hobgoblin.
he's a nothing character since the 90s when they revealed that he was innocent or some BS.
no problem.
i mean everyone thought clone Ned to be father until spencer revealed that nope it was original Ned coming back from the dead.
and Betty got pregnant in 2 months or so.
shut up.
This was typed up a few threads back to go along with the green text where Betty was murdered and Peter donned the black suit to avenge her.
>Ned was in love with Betty and hated Peter for "stealing" her away from him.
>Wants revenge on Spidey for Betty's murder
>Comes into contact with Norman who provides him with the right resources for the job.
>With this, Ned becomes the Hobgoblin
> In truth, Norman is just using Ned to test out his serum and equipment. Like in Spidey 94, this is before Norman becomes the Green Goblin. Think of Ned as the Proto-Goblin in this case.
That never happened.
It's explicitly canon that Kingsley became Hobgoblin/brainwashed Ned while Norman was hijacking control over Scrier in Europe and that only when he was done taking over the cult and turning it into a legit crime syndicate to further his criminal goals, did someone bother to tell him about the existence of Hobgoblin and Norma basically let it go because he had "evolved beyond being the Goblin" by that point.
Pre-retconning Kingsley as Hobgoblin, Ned had MULTIPLE motives for being Hobgoblin:
>>Just being pure evil (the Stern stories)
>>Ned not being pure evil and adopting the Hobgoblin identity to kill the Kingpin to make the NYC a better place and him convincing Richard Fisk to become the Rose to infiltrate his dad's empire as his mole (Christopher Priest in an issue designed after Ned was killed)
>>Ned secretly always being evil plus wanting to murder Spider-Man because Betty was having a nervous breakdown behind everyone's back thinking her mom was alive and having vivid nightmares/hallucinations about her brother being killed and Spider-Man failing to save him (Web of Spider-Man's 1991 Annual back-up on the origins of the Hobgoblin plus implied in by the by fashion in Amazing #289)
Spencer retconned Ned never having the goblin serum when he brought him back and revealed he found one of Norman's secret lairs in Europe towards the end of his run and finding a spare vial of Goblin Serum, which allowed him to survive being killed. HOWEVER, we don't know what he did before he showed back up at the end of the Spencer run, or even if he was the Ned that got Betty pregnant, as Spencer killed off the Ned clone from Clone Conspiracy early in his run even though Slott had big plans for him reintegrating himself into the main book.
Ironically, they should have just made Ned Gold Goblin, since it would let them keep Kingsley as Hobgoblin but also avoid the issue of what they will do to once Norman goes evil again.
Those motives don't fit at all with what he actually fricking did without just going "lol crazy"
He was only made the hobgoblin after his death because priest was an butthole who removed defalco from the book and took hiss red herring literally
Nedgoblin could have worked if he actually had a final confrontation with spiderman but he went like a b***h and then macandale used the name as a jobber
>verification not required
NedGoblin is just for synergy, and that makes me hate it.
Is this speculation based on Ned promising not to become a supervillain in NWH, or was there a leak revealing it will happen?
>Slott had big plans for him
Did he? I thought Ned made one appearance after The Clone Conspiracy, and it was shortly before Slott's run ended. I remember thinking that the only reason he was revealed to still be alive was because the MCU had recently introduced its version of Ned.
I love this art style and this is just plain sweet, what's this from/who made this??
I think it's just redraw panels from Scott Pilgrim
Lol artist draws petermj constantly
Betty got preggers and birthed another man's whole child.
Peter cucked Ned. Betty left her husband in France to be with Peter. They fricked and Ned still tried to get her back. The dude explained it as her being “confused”. Truth is, Betty settled for Ned when she actually wanted to be with Peter.
Her internal narration when she and Peter broke up revealed as much.
Had Peter stuck around, then maybe the two would’ve had a chance. Her problem with Spider-Man was that he failed to save her brother. But would she have forgiven him if she knew it was Peter? Plus, Peter was really serious about her. He was planning on proposing to her after revealing he was Spider-Man.
>this run is so bad that basically nullified any romantic interest in spider-man to the point that now we are talking about past love interest because there's nothing else to go.
Zeb wells fricking sucks.
Betty is ruined because she married/had a kid with NED
Ned's resurrection has so many holes that a future writer could easily handwave this whole thing as not-real just like they did MJ's kids.
Spencer was very much the guy who brought back Ned and revealed a very pregnant Betty.
Shit, I had only remember hobo dead dying and for some reason was thinking pregnant Betty with his resurrection was after. It was blending in my mind with the Hobgoblin relapse, my bad
Yeah I'm thinking it's time to bring Betty back as Peter's one true love
Betty > Gwen > Felicia > MJ
>Gwen higher than anyone
literally me
What about the homies who go for a fourth option?
Normal.
>feliciagays going through the stages of cope that marriagechads went through
All that smugness down the drain
Nah there's no heartbreak between them and just because you people live focused on the negative don't assume all do
Is there a single writer left at Marvel capable of writing a stable relationship for Spider-Man? Because they basically seem to just want to write Spider-Man first and Peter's actual life a distant third. 2nd place goes to awkward tie-ins for other books.
JMD
Anyone that isn't a bnd gay
I've been trying to write a bad ending for RYV, but I gotta ask one thing: Can the symbiote itself, not the host, be mind controlled?
But why?
If the marriage came back, I want it to be extremely toxic.
>he doesnt know
nobody cares anon
so who won in the annual?
Aunt Anna.
contest of chaos
Ohhh.
Who’s better, mayday or miles? And explain why (to make it fair, ps4 and spiderverse miles count)
Mayday because generational legacy characters are the best kind, plus sexo
In all seriousness, Mayday fixes roughly 100% of the issues with modern Spider-Man comics simply by existing. You can't have Mayday without also allowing Peter to finally grow up and progress as a person, and parenthood is the logical next step in his whole responsibility schtick, since being responsible for another human's existence and survival is about as big as it gets from a characterization standpoint.
In a perfect world Miles' inclusion in 616 would have been utilized to reintroduce Mayday in a satisfying and narratively meaningful way. One of the biggest complaints people have about Miles (aside from literal schizo-posting) is that he's redundant while Peter is still around. While a good writer could work around that by just having Peter mentor him (you know, like he's doing in the games), you could also give him his own time to shine WITHOUT killing off Peter, if you just gave Peter a reason to step away from heroics for a while. You know, like needing to help raise a newborn kid, and get his life together to build a stable home.
Writers wont let it happen, slott especially he wants spiderboy to be that fatherhood relationship for peter.
I want Slott to go frick himself
>daughter of spider-man that was raised with his teachings and gives Peter a good conclusion
>a random black kid
Mayday
1) Inheriting your dad's genetics is much less of a stretch than going through Pete's origin story again.
2) Her additional powers are just quirky evolutions instead of OP bullshit (she can stick people to surfaces like she does. It's basically webbing without webbing).
3) Better costume
4) Natural progression for Pete and an actual spider-family instead of cross-dimensional immigrant via cheeseburger
5) Has her own supporting cast and villains. Doesn't overly rely on Pete's cast (they're present, but not obnoxiously so)
6) Pete tries to dissuade her from being Spider-man which is completely in character instead of going "OMG your suit is so awesome and it's totally cool that you want to also use my secret identity which has a LOT of baggage with completely bloodthirsty villains", which is OOC
7) Has her own stories instead of rehasing shit that Pete's done.
8) Supported her own universe instead of bailing to live in Pete's shadow
9) Gives Pete a good end-point instead of participating in Pete's hellish 616 nightmare
10) Cute
I kind of wonder how Peter would actually react to mayday having powers at a young age. Obviously he wouldn’t be so excited like in ATSV but idk, maybe he’d find a compromise or something
You're describing Renew Your Vows
RYV is bnd peter
If it's BND where it's my Shed?
do people even like Annie?
They just like her because RYV portrays a PeterMJ marriage even if everyone acts OOC inside it.
Isn’t it written by Gerry Conway? Shouldn’t he know how to write these characters?
She's better than nothing, but she's great value Mayday at best.
I'm also still fricking offended by the idea that Peter Parker named his child anime
I just like the idea of beating the shit out her.
I don't think so, but at least Peter is actually happy
I do like Annie. She's indeed like Mayday's little sister.
no. They all like the idea of peter having a kid, they will never explain why they like annie
Annie and May loves each other, and may sees annie and RYV as her family too, in fact the best spider verse interactions were of her two
If anything, Annie and May are are Peter and Mary Jane's Dirty Pair.
All her two needs now is a space ship
I like the idea of Mayday being a cool older sister to Annie. Benjy was too young to be an actual character.
See I'm fine with Annie being around if Mayday's there too. Then you get the daughter who takes after Peter more (Mayday) and the one who's more like MJ (Annie).
He'd try to keep her out of the whole superhero thing until she was old enough for it.
It's still so moronic that they made Peter bring Mayday with him. It's one thing for him to be excited for her to have powers, but to literally bring her to another dimension is so moronic and makes him look like a dumb sitcom dad. You could of just showed Peter go back to his dimension at the end and see mayday if you really wanted to put her in the movie
The only way I could have seen it work would have been Peter getting dragged into it against his will while he was guarding Mayday, so he kepe her with him because well he need to bring her back to his world as fast as possible. But that demand heavy rewrite.
>cute
very
>Spider-Man gets rebooted
>Written by Slott and Wells
>Miles is now a main character as well
Literally the only Spider worth reading.
>Pic not related
Not sure if it's because of the once a month status or what but this book has great energy every issue.
While I enjoy the run the writers attempt at slang is painful
how did spider never get a "dark mirror" type villain all the way until venom?
Most of his villains were dark mirrors in the sense that they were people who gained their powers through accidents and decided to use them for selfish purposes. His arachnid counterpart was Scorpion.
sure, but I was more talking about dark mirror in the sense that they share the same power set
who? still in early romita issues
There wasn't a villain who shared his powers until Venom, but his dark mirror was supposed to be Scorpion/Green Goblin iirc.
understood, but how come the idea of a venom (villain with same powers) came so late?
Because writers of that era didn't feel like it was some trope that every hero had to have.
He did? Venom is just the most popular.
...man, nobody ever gives Scorpion any respect, do they.
What if Peter dated Flash’s sister, Jessie?
Flash would approve (maybe)
You could use her crush on Peter to explain why Flash has it out for him. Because of Peter’s short temper, Flash thinks that he’ll abuse Jessie just like his dad did to him and her. So he bullies him as a way to get him to stay away.
Interestingly, the 60s cartoon made Betty into a redhead.
Or make NEW fricking comics like they do in Europe and Japan and stop treating 60+ year old comics like sacred fricking scripture
Plenty of new comics are made every year. Most comic buyers are stuck in their ways reading corporate comics.
When I was a wee lad I had an OC superhero that I shipped with the Silver Sable. While I cringe at this today, I find solace in knowing that at least it was an original character and not a "Spidersona" bullshit. Frick Slott forever and ever for this.
Is it really on Danny boy?
I made a Spider-Sona but like, I did build a world around mine so they're more in-line with a character like Peni or Lady Spider than, say, Sun Spider or Web-Weaver.
>Lotus is going to end up being the best Spider-Man related thing to come out this year until the Insomniac game
How have Marvel's standards for this character fallen so low that a shitty fan film with a bunch of drama is going to outdo their professional comics
>BND game
here's (you), now frick off
Seems like it's taking more from hunted this time. Anyways BND for a different continuity is fine.
It's based vaguely on the BND-Slott era stuff, yes, but if it was done by a writer who didn't completely hate the concept of character progression or view the franchise purely as an opportunity to self-insert. I like Otto being more important as a sort of mentor/close partner figure while still being undeniably a piece of shit unlike Raimi Otto, they actually made Mr. Negative somewhat compelling even if he's just Nolan Two-Face, Yuri as Wraith should be a fun antihero side story. It's like if they took some of the basic ideas from Slott's run, stripped them down and then reworked them to actually fit the character.
Really the only complaint I have is that MJ sucks. Not even just because she's Ultimate style as far as her motivations go, but that she's pretty obviously in the wrong as far as her argument with Peter goes in the first game and yet it's glossed over with Peter looking like the illogical one.
I hope they just make her Spinneret by the third game, the stealth shit sucked and it makes her look bad, and it makes sense that a more proactive MJ would fit well with it. I fell for the fakeout in the first game because I just wanted RYV to happen, if not MC2. I hope they make a Mayday spinoff as the final game, would be pure ludo.
don't you dare post pics from evagoblion bnd scum
Is this some shit where you falseflag as a schizo to make older fans look bad?
I HATE the BND era. Doesn't mean a much better writer can't take a few of the ideas and rework them to be much more compelling. I would still prefer a game with the 80s-90s supporting cast and focus on villains (Kafka my beloved, what have they done to you?).
>only thing ever drawn with Paul and mj kissing
>is a shitpost about kamala s death
Says it all.
ATSV was 2 months ago.
Is it?
Shut up, Bendis.
who's that in the not-spidey mask above otto?
Clayton Cole/Clash, from the "Learning to Crawl" arc Slott wrote after Superior.
If they rebooted it half the characters would be blackwashed so no thanks
From CBR about ASM#31
"Paul upgraded Mj powers and help with her suit design.
Ain't love just great
your hypocrisy knows no limits
Remnder that MJ is the one who cheated on Peter with Paul unlike Gwen.
That's not true? Felicia gives her the outfit, she says Paul made some modification but says it was designed by her usual person whoever that is
Felicia also makes fun of peter
>Felicia also makes fun of peter
No she doesn't. I've seen the panel
>as peter says with great guilt comes great sadness
Yeah thats mocking lol
She doesn't berate the message or peter as something to redicule. That's how Felicia understands his code in her way.
That's what it says on CBR go argue with them anon,
I don't say this as an MJ hater but the book would improve tenfold if she simply were written out for an extended period of time because her presence poisons every storyline lately.
Bnd writers hate her but they also put her in every story. It's a strange dichotomy. We just need to get rid of them.
It's not her presence, it's the writers' insistence on making her the source of controversy. Yeah the book would be improved if they wrote her out since they would no longer be able to use her for cheap garbage storylines anymore, but honestly if she wasn't an option the current shit writers would just use someone else like Felicia.
This really. They literally believe controversy is good.
So felicia can now frick spiderboy right
I hope so, Spider Boy is the only good thing in marvel rn.
Did you know Joe Quesada approached Jim Shooter in the early '00s to do a sequel to The Korvac Saga, but Tom Brevoort kept micromanaging every plot beat Shooter intended that he quit the project altogether? I thought that was interesting
Hot dog, did I enjoy today's issue!
The stuff with Felicia was sure to draw all the focus, so let's start there--it semi-worked for me! Reminded me of the way Slott parted Peter with Bobbi--the "we don't have stuff to talk about" bit. A breezy end to breezy relationship, you'd think, but the talk in Kelly's two-parter laid the groundwork for what I felt was to be a more solid pairing. I liked them together, and there was meat on the bone there, for sure.
But it's hard to complain when the stuff in front of me is hitting.
The wedding was a lovely affair, with Wells and JRJR in great form. Great gags, kinetic action and a the opening shot of something bigger and badder on the horizon. Great stuff, enhanced by a fun AF bachelorbachelorette prelude. Janice is the best; never leave ASM, I beg
also I'm chairperson of the Michelle, Defense Lawyer fan club. Admissions closed. Sorry, fellas.
The Ms. Marvel story melted my heart, I loved it so much. David Lopez is a mensch; hope Marvel has him cooking something special. A new ongoing for Kamala? Makes me swoon just thinking about it
The Kraven tale!!! You had me gasp at a page turn, Wells, you fox! Can't wait for #32 and more of that sexy sexy Gleason art.
And Slott was no slouch, either--loved the Spidey-boy prelude. He writes the hell out of a grumpy posh brit.
oh, the Jackpot tease was pretty sweet. Art on point, Felicia's voice down pat. Off the last page, with the overturned car, seems like Jackpot is more of a rescue hero, than a crime-fighter, which is neat. Again, Pepper Potts parallels. I'm keen to try the mini now
And all the extras were sweet, too! nary a tale i didn't enjoy. good issue, i sez. Go get!
Insanity?
CBRgay
Hmmm CBR copypasta, I wonder if its the original dude if so it would be funny.
Lol. If that guy was serious or ironic, either way they captured the exact writing style Nu-Marvel editorial has when they are not doing solicitations. It's like people are trying to capture the marketing speak that Stan and Marvel had back then but without any real charm or bite to it (i.e. passion). Plus that shit has grown so old that they are all lies now and act as the basis for gaslighting people into thinking their comics are good. Instead it's filled with Tumblr quirkiness and smugness. Slott would fit right into the Dr. Who shit he loves so much.
no this guy can only ever review things on that faux-hyper-positive way, he literally called hallow's eve #1 "a masterclass in character building" that had drop dead gorgeous art
then he dropped the mini like 2 issues in
You’re some bullshit but I will agree the Kamala part was cute
Reboot to right after the wedding annual. As far as I'm concerned, that's the canon ending so far.
What is everyone thoughts on this mini?
I forgot about that entirely
From CBR about Amazing Spider-Man Annul - Contest of Chaos
"basically this orb force both Peter and Wolverine to fight over it. whoever keeps the orb wins. Wolverine gets the upper hand and wins then becomes a warrior for Agatha. Peter gets send back to New York and then goes to Jessica Jones to go find Wolverine"
My goodness what is the point.
>Peter jobs in his own annual
I shouldn't be surprised at this point.
this thread has severe lack of goblin posting
Well speaking of which
the bad thing that happens to Peter next issue that sets him off does involve MJ or Felicia. It's all Norman and his paranoia with goblin queen coming back and he's taken it out on Peter sort of speak
Oh great leaks, tbh it does sound like something that would be credible. Imagining norman firing peter would be the funniest shit to start year 2.
Yeah no I think that’s enough with these spoilers, they tried tricking us with the MJ and Cat stuff for 31, if it turns out to be real then okay but I think people aren’t going to put too much into these now
Some guy named Matt ratt made those fake ones
Oh its definitely fake, just funny to engage with it.
Booooooooo.
So stupid
will you do a story time : )
No : )
I refuse to dump the rest, only news are bits of the wedding.
https://comicsheatingup.net/2023/08/09/spoilers-amazing-spider-man-31-jackpot-new-villain-and-so-much-more/
It was worth asking : ) have a nice day
Now it ws not since the book came out yesterday so if you want it so much then go frick off to your LCR. Or just wait for a rip now both of you frick off.
This book refuses to appeal to anyone. Its impressive honestly.
How is setting up for a Slott book refusing to appeal to anyone lol. I'm always marveled at people who frequent comic book forums that don't actually like comic books.
There are people who like it, they are young and don't know jack shit.
Are they young, i feel like its just more weird superior fanboys in general than age wise gaps. Unless we are just broadening it to millennials.
Okay but HOW? Is it just going to be fatass Otto dressed like Spidey? Piloting a clone or LMD?
I legitimately have no idea if there's some in-story reason why he remembers that he was Spider-Man because I don't fricking care to read this shit anymore, but didn't Mephisto erase all his memories of that shit?
No.
As pointless as it is, I can sort of understanding them doing Superior Spider-Man one more time for the tenth anniversary, but after this, there's no excuse to bring it back again.
Well you frick off for the leakes for this book it was released yesterday so it can be ripped by anybody by now . Either rip the bloody thing or piss off. I swear spider gays are getting dumber and desperate each day not to mention just plain pathetic.
Considering that this book is doubling down on Paul n MJ as Jackpot I wonder if once Well's run is over if the they'll force the next writer to have to legit follow up on the plot threads Wells started instead of just ignoring everything that happened.
Like what if MJ being jackpot is actually gonna be a multi-year status quo for her instead of being a "only in wells run" thing.
Are they doubling down? I'd argue the opposite. Mj and Paul don't even speak and even barely hold hands while explicitly thinking of the kids. It's all rather un romantic
It's gonna just be a wells thing.
He's gonna do a weird break up with sins involved and MJ reconnecting with Peter over being a hero
My bet is gang War but I also tought cat would get injured next arc so who knows when. That it will happen? For sure.
Their plans clearly got changed
The backlash is real, but he spider who keks continues.
I think most writers and artists are doing it because they don't want the kind of online infamy attached with this run. He'll even the backup/annual barely treat paul like he's there. He's like wallpaper post asm 30.
jfc wells
This line isn't bad, but it's hilarious how this shit is getting people equally riled up to any thing else in this run. I think wells could donate money to charity and people would still try to find a way to hate him.
I mean it's making light of a dead kid. not a very in character thing for him to say
Eisner level writing from Zeb wells man, don't disrespect the dude he worked on critically acclaimed shows like Robot Chicken.
Extreme apologism. It's pretty fricking bad.
It really isn't! Who cares? Why is it "pretty fricking bad"? What books do you read that you enjoy lmao
>why yes Peter would make light of the dead kid who idolized him that Peter met and bonded with as his dying wish
Some old ASM would be the last thing I read, which I didn't like either really. I'm in the middle of the Clone saga. My favorite era was '70s to '80s. Who cares? I mean it isn't that big of a deal compared to anything else from this run like you said, but it's not in character, it's not funny, and it's also not appropriate in the context.
I'm not someone who complains about cynicism a lot like you'll see with some people here, but making fun of a story that heartfelt is pretty unbearably cynical.
Is that from the latest issue? Who's is he talking to
Joe Biden
Kamala before revealing his identity.
He's revealing it again?
Too many people know Peter is Spider-Man as it is.
And none of them are Daredevil...
He still doesn't know?
Peter knows who Matt is, Matt does not know who Peter is
It’d be off brand for Peter to get with another superhero. They need to be a normie. Even though Chat’s a mutant, she isn’t a superhero. She’s ultimately still a normie even with her powers.
You could probably get away with making Betty a hapa. Her design wouldn’t need to be tweaked much at all. Maybe slant the eyes a bit but that’s it. Something like pic related.
I need spider-Gwen ryona
Just realized that OG Peter is basically a smarter Yusuke Urameshi, attitude and all. https://youtu.be/dagatVGN-XA
That's quite accurate.
Just make Spider-Man cool again. If they wrote him like he used to be, or just a brainier Yusuke Urameshi, then he’ll be cool again. Socially awkward nerds aren’t cool, they’re lame. Short tempered smart guys with the mouth to match are cool and more interesting.
Was Chat’s mysterious sister supposed to be Squirrel Girl? It’d make sense since she, like Spidey, was created by Steve Ditko.
Living in a comic book must be like being in Groundhog Day, living the same day over and over. Especially since their autistic readers can't stand change.
Stegman is great.
thank god they drew the delicious shots of MJ's dumptruck ass in both panels shes shown here no wonder she aint chained up like peter
Peter should have the bigger ass
what comics did Norman read?
Batman
Gotta say Annie looks sexy here
Do you really gotta say it, though?
>Do you really gotta say it, though?
Yes. Annie is sexy here, still sexy as a teen, & eill be even more sexier as an adult
>Based!
Thank you
Based!
ToT
>Reset it all back to Ditko-Lee
That's exactly the problem with modern Spider-Man. Editors think keeping Peter a teenager is a good thing.
That’s because they take the wrong lesson from Ditko/Lee. 60/70’s Spider-Man was always growing. He graduated high school, he started college, he found a job, he found a girl, he moved out of his Aunts house. No matter what was happening it was always forward progress and forward momentum. They never let Peter suffer from arrested development like todays writers do. It wasn’t just Peter either. Flash, Gwen, Betty, Jameson, Harry and all the rest of the spider cast was allowed to grow and develop and change as the years went on. Villains were allowed to die or retire or reform. It felt believable cause they didn’t have to pull the reset button.
Hobgoblin in the 80s was the first chink in the armour. Then as soon as Peter’s robot parents showed up the book was cooked. If you read ASM after Maximum Carnage you’re only going to get suffering.
>Hobgoblin in the 80s was the first chink in the armour. Then as soon as Peter’s robot parents showed up the book was cooked. If you read ASM after Maximum Carnage you’re only going to get suffering.
I would say that post-Maximum Carnage Spider-Man varies from okay to really bad, but is still preferrable over Byrne-era where there were excessive rollbacks (Sandman being a villain again, Flash Thompson being an butthole again. etc)
Spectacular 200 happened after the parents kek. As did ASM400
You have to remember that time moved foward much faster back then, since the silver age was the era where not everything was defined.
Spider-Man was always about growing up. It was never about youth.
Tell that to breevort
last. issue of Spider-man before it becomes Spider-boy
>https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/marvel-comics-exclusive-preview-spider-man-11/
sure
But why
nice reference, Dan
Spider-boys Kaijin form kinda dull he should more monstrous underneath the costume when using his powers.
and Vecchio makes the osborn costume even weirder looking with the high coller and the helmet which even gleeson never bothered with
I didn't even notice the collar. Odd detail, doesn't quite work here.
that's all
God the cringe
>cringe
I don't think you know what word means or what is actually cringe.
I found it cringe
You are cringe, Slott.
I never said it was good. It just doesn't meet actual cringe like a self-insert like Paul cucking a protagonist.
It is VERY cringe.
Hahahhaha
Kill me
Just seen the thread, seems its on its last legs, but wanted to share what I've gotten.
Think i saw that on tweeterr (or is it x), its cool art.
>last stand
Onions
Dilf Peter is great.
>Last Stand Spider-man
That man is gonna die.
Norman X MJ Marriage
>seething so much about gwenxnorman he finds the one time sometimes drew mj and norman
Patethic honestly.
I've got another idea: Just end it already. Spiderman, Xmen, Justice League, all this shit, let it rest already. Come up with new stories. Do Sci-fi, fantasy, mystery thriller, whatever.
These IPs are brands known throughout the whole world. Especially Spider-Man. Spidey still rakes in billions from movies, games and merch. Shutting him down would be the dumbest thing they can do.
Obviously I know that, but it's not always about the money. Like, take OP for a second. He said they should reboot it. Now let me ask you, will tomorrow it be announced that they will reboot Spiderman because a guy on Cinemaphile requested it?
If he can dream that it should be rebooted, i can dream that these zombie franchises can finally be allowed to rest.
The problem is that they’ve held on to the same exact continuity since the 60s. That will always be daunting for any newcomer to come into. Especially with how current writers ignore it and do their own thing anyway, inevitably confusing the readers who do want to go read the old stuff to catch up. Again, it’s just one of many issues that Marvel has. That and floppies. They’re too expensive, outdated and only nerds buy them. Newcomers like the graphic novel format. It’s more bang for their buck.
who will make the next thread? Goblinbros?