Right another week another thread anons. Just finished reading ASM #47 by the way please don't ask me for spoilers about it, All I will say is that it is bad REAL bad.
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Right another week another thread anons. Just finished reading ASM #47 by the way please don't ask me for spoilers about it, All I will say is that it is bad REAL bad.
It can't be that bad
Oh yes ir can I would know since I have a early copy of it anon.
Without spoilers i call bs
>He doesn't know
How bad out of a scale of ten?
I give a rating of of one star out of five or to keep it simple a F minus.
>All I will say is that it is bad REAL bad
It's all I need to know. Thanks, anon.
How bad is the break up between Ben and Janine?
Is Ned fixed already?
New "got an advanced copy" schizo is making threads now?
it's just Gwenschizo, he also likes to pretend he gets copies of comics early.
*sigh* thank you so much for that insult anon. Look on a serious note they are people who are capable of getting early copies of comics, it's not that difficult really.
Who does Ben bring to fix him then?
No spoilers anon they are people like me who prefer not to give away spoilers I happen to be one of them
>Ultimate Spider-Man Issue 3 outsells Amazing Spider-Man Issue 46 by more than 2 to 1.
Paulbros, I don't feel so good...
Here's your spoiler. Pansy's
Peter and Janine go on a date. Sort of
>Pansy's
Who?
It's probably Kafka who tells them they need the mind device. Ned is a test subject being looked over to be fixed so whatever is being done to him is what Ben hopes can fix him
>Peter and Janine go on a date. Sort of
Thought Janine couldn't stand Peter, somehow.
Did they ever explain how she knows his identity still?
>Pansy's Peter
Oh also got this, i feel some of you guys might like it.
I knew you were one of the sins past gays. You pretended someone edited your commission within minutes of you posting it, but I could tell that was BS. Now you're hiding behind 'It's the ultimate version no one has seen yet besides in interview format, I swear!'. I'd respect the stance more if you weren't trying to hide it because you know it's unpopular.
What? And yeah someone DID edit a commission of mine lol. I can say that because if it was mine id have done an original gwen design than put in ssm gwen. And I do think its different lol.
My take on sins past is that its bad because of the timeline stuff but that people take it to an extreme that's way more than it should. Its not the "worst" spider-man story or anything, nor does it ruin gwen. Its just a lil stupid thing.
I will get a liz...eventually.
>nor does it ruin gwen
Can you explain this opinion to me?
If it was retconned that Norman had done something with a legal but teen MJ, you cannot convince me this would be your reaction. And that's without the cheating.
MJ's the endgame love interest. You shouldn't be getting angry about the non-endgame love interests having consensual sex with other guys before or after their time with Peter, and shouldn't be expecting them to have no existence at all outside of being alternate love interests for Peter. And since Norman is based, being Norman's love interest and mother of his children is based by association. Since it happened during a time Peter and Gwen weren't together it's not even cheating.
I just think they're neat, and so are their kids.
Uh. Dude. Then-Canonical sources stated that the one night stand happened during. If you're going to stan a relationship. Maybe you should know more about what Marvel had said about it.
Marvel made it abundantly clear in interviews and databooks that what went down i. Sins Past was cheating. If cheating is bad for one girl. It's not suddenly good for another girl. The US is largely a culturally monogamous country. Most people who aren't terminally online would consider cheating wrong.
Marvel barely knows its own canon, tbh. They can't even keep track of how old Peter is rn or how old Gwen was when she died. They needed a fan to explain when the now-retconned affair took place and then they proceeded to let the Kindred storyline introduce several elements that shit on the timeline even further.
Anon, just let it go already. I for one think it's brave that Marvel decided to explore Norman's closeted feelings.
RIP Liz Allan. If only you generated half the interest this girl gets for getting thrown off a bridge.
It's kinda annoying actually. Liz raised her son through the insanity that comes with living with Osborn family drama and her role gets diminished by fandom and Canon. She needs more respect.
I have a itch that Ultimate Liz ended up or with Ned, or Flash Thompson.
If she ended with Ned, then Flash married Debra, and Ultimate Debra is now a Scientist.
Imagine if Flash appears with Sha Shan Nguyen on his arm.
I really hope Hickman doesn't stick Liz with Ned. It'd be very random and she can do better.
What they've done to her is honestly criminal. First making her a shady semi-evil businesswoman who fricking founded Alchemax in Slott's run and now all this symbiote garbage.
Dating a black guy now too of course.
Wasn't he Indian?
Oh right. The writer's self-insert.
Can't be. All bearded men give their self inserts beards. It's the rules.
There's untapped potential for comedy with the entire family living together right now.
Why hasn't Wilson Allan and the Osborns ever appeared in the same room together? Wilson let Flash hold his Spider-Man fanclub in his restaurant. It'd be funny to see his take on Liz going from dating a Spider-Man fanboy to dating a green goblin.
Wilson Allan and William Hollister should start an anti-Norman Osborn fan club for off-panel dads.
Remember the Parker Industries time, when Liz used all the known dirty tricks to sabotage Peter AND helped Norman to flee?
Liz is fricked beyond any fix it.
She did something besides turn on a car alarm?
She had one of her employees (the very guy who created 2099's Alchemax) sabotage Peter and she constantly tried to do the same with Miguel, when he was in the present.
>Liz is fricked beyond any fix it.
Like almost everry spider character tbh
It's no fair bros, I miss her...
you think thats bad
imagine being Betty Brant, the first real love interest of Peter Parker who in her short tenure still had more character and story arc to her than Gwen did all the way to her death
Betty gets no damn respect in the Spider-man fanbase
Betty works better as Peter's close friend, like a sister or something
>t.Dan Slott
Anon...
She left her husband in London to get her back blown out by Pete. And the cuck husband took her back and even made excuses for her behavior. Her saying Pete's like a brother to her is cope.
Peter with human flaws was the best Peter. He knew Betty was married but he still did some plumbering on her. Loser Peter is not relatable because he's protrayed now as a paragon of virtue.
Betty became damaged goods when Peter fricked her while she was on the outs with Ned due to IIRC Marv Wolfman wanting to break them up and have Peter and Betty date for real.
The backlash to Peter fricking a married woman who hadn't even told Ned about her seeing Peter romantically while they were split, was so great that editorial forced Wolfman to reunite Betty/Ned and even to this day, refuses to ever mention that sordid arc even when Ned's character was thrown under the bus like it was pre-Hobgoblin Lives.
>The backlash to Peter fricking a married woman who hadn't even told Ned about her seeing Peter romantically while they were split, was so great that editorial forced Wolfman to reunite Betty/Ned and even to this day, refuses to ever mention that sordid arc even when Ned's character was thrown under the bus like it was pre-Hobgoblin Lives.
Later on in the mid-80s she fricked Flash while also married to Ned. The lady's just not loyal.
Unlike.everyone else, the Dude's brain is already built for.dissociation so those mental walls are holding up real well. It's only a matter of time before something triggers him and the the walls crumble and fall.
Ned is legit just a cuck. What a fricking loser.
Ned was an older man who swooped in on the office secretary the day she turned 18, I can see why future writers would just resent him and dump on him as much as they could.
He took away Betty from Peter.
if i remember Peter David had her as his waifu during the 80s and that pissed him off too, did he wrote any ASM issue or only Web of spider-man?
He did a few fill-ins and was the one responsible for executing the botched Hobgoblin reveal. He had Betty and Flash get back together during his Friendly Neighborhood run in the 00s.
>was the one responsible for executing the botched Hobgoblin reveal
lmao that explains it then If i had my "waifu" being "taken" by such a loser I would have done the same.
Ned as the hobgoblin was already "underway" as ned already being dead so a confrontation couldn't actually happen.
The botched reveal was that DeFalco was always setting up Ned as a red herring. His Hobgoblin was Richard Fisk, and Kingsley was the Rose (because Stern had told him that Kingsley was Hobgoblin but DeFalco didn't like that, so Stern said if he had someone better in mind he could go ahead and pick someone else). PAD read through all the issues and thought "Well it can only be Ned" because he fell for the sleight of hand completely. Stern didn't like that choice so he eventually got to do things his way.
Iirc it was owsley that made the decision to actually make him ned. PAD just did the editorial mandate.
PAD's told his side of the story, he idea was his.
http://www.peterdavid.net/archives/002234.html
>"But...but," I stammered, "if you're killing off Ned...then who is the Hobgoblin?"
>Owsley grinned. "The Foreigner."
>"The Foreigner?!" I said. "The Foreigner wouldn't be the Hobgoblin!"
>"Sure! It'll be great!"
>"No, it won't be great," I said. "First off, the Foreigner's whole shtick is that he's low profile. He doesn't run around in gaudy, conspicuous costumes. He blends in. Taking on a costumed villain identity is totally against his character. And second, we've been telling people that Hobgoblin is an already-established character in the Spider-Man cast. The Foreigner was created after Hobgoblin showed up. It's a cheat. We'd be cheating the readers. You've got to change this idea of Ned being killed."
>"It's too late. The book's already written and drawn."
>I moaned.
>"Okay," said Owsley gamely. "If you don't want it to be the Foreigner, then let's figure out who it can be."
>We started going over recent developments in Amazing, and slowly we came to a hideous realization.
>He had to be Ned Leeds. Tom had been extremely thorough, perhaps too much so. When one took all the clues into account, there was really no one besides Ned Leeds that it could be. No wonder practically all the readers were figuring it out. No other suspects really fit.
>"The Hobgoblin has to be Ned Leeds," I said.
>"Yeah, but Ned's going to be dead a couple of months before #289 comes out. He can't be the Hobgoblin."
>I thought about that. And thought about that.
>And I had one of those frightening skewed moments of mine. A moment when I look at a story point where something outrageous would be required to resolve it, and I think to myself, Well we couldn't possibly conclude it that way. And then that magic two word phrase occurs to me, the phrase being...
>"Why not?"
I stand corrected, still pretty dumb
I get that it was too late to undo Ned Leeds' death, but did it never occur to them that they could simply reveal that Ned Leeds faked his death? They could still have the story where he "dies", thus making readers who'd figured out he was the Hobgoblin no longer think it's him, only for a dramatic reveal where he's actually still alive thus preserving the twist.
That would be too simple.
>"Why not?"
Might be the most dangerous phrase in comics.
You're right about Ned being a red herring and the DeFalco/Stern stuff. But the actual reason it wound up being Ned was because during a creative meeting DeFalco was asked about it. He and Owsley (who was ASM's editor at the time) had been feuding and DeFalco thought that Owsley would try and mess everything up if he told the truth so he lied and said Ned was the Hobgoblin. Then a short time later DeFalco was removed from ASM for supposedly being late with scripts and Owsley then did the whole story where Ned was found dead and left it to PAD to figure out how to do the reveal that he was the Hobgoblin and show how he died and PAD came up with the whole thing about how Macendale hired the Foreigner to kill Ned so he could take the Hobgoblin name for himself in ASM #289.
Stern, for his part, had a problem with it only because he thought Ned went out like a b***h and that the Hobgoblin shouldn't be killed by mooks but he otherwise liked the the story.
>PAD read through all the issues and thought "Well it can only be Ned" because he fell for the sleight of hand completely.
It's more like DeFalco put time into setting up his red herring but hadn't set up any other credible suspects yet, he may have wanted it to be Richard Fisk but there was nothing pointing to it being him yet.
He brought Richard into Gang War and somehow Priest thought "This guy must be The Rose, right?"
Betty didn't even want to be with him. She wanted Peter, but he dumped her due to a misunderstanding. Betty legit settled for Ned.
>fume over how your boyfriend isn't shutting down the cute blonde who's making eyes at him
>start dating another guy to make him jealous
>the older guy proposes, you tell the boyfriend about it
>the boyfriend tells you he wishes you the best in your relationship and gives up without a fight
Played herself.
Very cute, thanks for the nod to the Goblinfrickers kek
>Fricks Harry/Norman/Miles
>Fricks Paul
Peter will never catch a break
I mean they havent even hugged romantically so...and again these are the earth 6160 versions where peter is happily married with mj and never met gwen.
I just thought ms parker and ms osborn needed some more pinupy art. And I thought the shirts were cute.
we don't. have a nice day, beaner.
stop sneeding so hard, my man
You're doing God's work here.
>artist hasn't posted it on either of their sfw or nsfw twitter so can't retweet it yet
Sad!
Hey I know that artist.
Yup guilty as charged
>dark lipstick
And into the trash it goes
Just kidding, awesome pic but man I hate dark lipstick
Why do you hate it so?
just gives the wrong vibe to the face. Instead of accentuating the lips it draws attention to it, but not like a soft shade of pink or skin hue which would compliment the mouth. It's just too loud and contrasting.
Oh lol official cover is basically the same thing I commissioned once again.
I like dark lipstick.
Dan doing his thing on cbr again. Must be pissed off about something
probably about
Nah, some tard though a summary was a new Superior event and the fattie instead laught at him being dumb he went pasive agresive.
I doubt he cares about TAS, he leave that Hell almost a decade ago
what even is the endgame with normaln being a good guy ?
>assuming they ever had a plan
There's been no real direction to anything else going on, I don't see why this would be any different.
norman is zebs waifu dont ask silly questions
>what even is the endgame with norman being a good guy ?
This.
you wouldnt know a bad comic even if it slapped you in the face
ASM 47
Anna sets Peter on a date with the nurse from the last arc, but Peter has to leave to save Betty.
Holy cow, taking all spoilers with a grain of salt but Wells remembers BBetty exists?!?! Will wonders never cease?
She was in the recap page
I've stopped reading those for this run since the "Paul and MJ are totes married now for real!" 'mistake'. They're just another way to incite irritation and I'm not letting Lowe get that from me.
Maybe things would have been better had Peter married Betty instead.
Maybe.
>time dedicated to Beetle's friend
>set up in an anniversary issue no less
>goes literally nowhere
>now it's onto the next fake love interest
This is a joke.
Like I'm not even a Felicia fan but did we seriously replace Felicia with some fricking piss randoms that nobody will remember after the run is over? You might as well have just kept them together lmaoo
I wouldn't even mind if it wasn't for MJ. That's what most people want but it's basically one guy (Marvel editorial) against the world there. Slott era was just constant rotating annual love interests and it looks like we're back to that again and nobody can even think of an interesting girlfriend to give Peter. Why should I care about the nurse or Beetle's friend or any of the Slott era shitters like Mockingbird or the Chinese scientist? I think that's a big reason nobody can move on from MJ as Peter is given these nothing, fly by night relationships that go nowhere because, I assume, they're afraid that giving him a serious and well written/developed relationship will lead to another MJ situation with the new girl.
MJ's not even that great. It's just fan attachment. Really, it's mostly her design that people like. Not much of her personality given that her intended personality as developed by Lee and Romita was overwritten by Conway and others to make her a proper Mrs. Spider-Man.
Except for all the development as a good romantic foil to peter that grows alongside him? That's what people like, not really her design. She has thematic ties with an opposing backstory and develops alongside him and both.
Yeah hobgoblin acted so strange in it ngl.
And yeah that does reccount it succinctly. No new love interest can ever really compete cause they cant last, and they have 30 years to go against 30 years of fairly popular love interest centric stories.
>She has thematic ties
No she doesn't. A lot of those "thematic ties" were retcons done to make them a match for each other. Said retcons involved rewriting their characters to have their relationship make sense.
Like how fans like to claim both Peter and MJ were hiding their true selves, with Spidey being his actual self. Thing is, that's bullshit. Peter doesn't do that Clark Kent shit. He's the exact same person with or without the mask. Romita's MJ was an actual airhead who just did whatever she pleased. It was not an act.
I always read this as her lying to herself
At least that’s the vibe the ellipses give…
It's not so much a lie as her tip toeing around the realization, as a young woman, that some of the things you'll want in life will require actually putting in some effort. Mary Jane thinks of herself as someone who just wants to party, but is finding herself getting close to and interested in someone she's genuinely going to have to be serious with and deal with real problems when she's with.
It's why there's that iconic page of Peter lashing out at her and her closing the door and staying to comfort him instead of just walking away.
Well no, the whole masks thing was literal in Peter’s case. Spider-Man is the mask, and MJ knew that. She wanted to get to know Peter so she could figure out why he does the things he does.
And the retcon with MJ was an attempt to salvage her character after Wolfman completely fricked her over with crap like
Wolfman wrote her true to Lee-Romita's intentions. Conway made her a different character.
Conway gave her character development, that's not "making her a different character". That's just using an event in the story to make her grow up. Wolfman hated mj (by his own admission) so he went out of his way to write her out. Stern (who didn't even like mj as an li) brought her back for drama and plotted that backstory to justify the prior leave.
>And the retcon with MJ was an attempt to salvage her character after Wolfman completely fricked her over with crap like
(You)
Conway wrote those panels my man. This was before he and MJ finally got together at the end of the clone saga. He did that and fricked off, had no interest in actually writing the relationship.
Dude conway literally wrote aunt may comparing herself and uncle ben to mj and peter and mj deciding to actually fight for peter. Had them going on dates constantly. And obviously the big airport kiss and "why do you call me tiger" scene.
Ironically no, htey were a retcon made by someone that actively didn't want to keep them together that just wanted to use her as a spoiler. it just so happened that it was such a dramatically interesting one that it led to them growing closer together.
It didn't really "rewrite" their relationship, just the why mj left when the writer that didn't like her wrote her ina way that contradicted her character growth.
And she grew during conway's run, but then woflman went back on it so other writers came up with it to justify it. You cant ignore 30 years because a character was introduced one way and then grew and we learned from it lmao.
Yes that was mj for years.
Shame I think gleason's a stronger writer
>Shame I think gleason's a stronger writer
As long as Lowe is editing I doubt it'll make much of a difference. For all we know he'll double down on the cuckshit out of spite.
If he does, it's just more reason to tune out Amazing in favor of Ultimate though
Doubtful, it seems like a pure wells thing, especially with how it coincides with his own divorce to an actress and all. Lowe just doesn't care.
>If he does, it's just more reason to tune out Amazing in favor of Ultimate though
We can only hope.
>And she grew during conway's run
She didn't grow, she changed. Conway wanted her to be Mrs Spider-Man and wrote her differently to justify it. Basically, she was his waifu and Spidey his self insert.
I'll take it over Wells self inserting as Paul to make MJ his Mrs. Wells.
Wells is inserting as peter, so he's making mj his ex wife that left him. And now has to end it all.
>one of your friends dies
>slowly become more serious to help out her boyfriend
>fall for him
Its development, not really "different character", mj accepting she liked peter and wanted something serious was an arc. Wein continued it. Woflman threw a tamptrum because things changed. And woflman is the guy who has the rep for self inserting (just see his titans stuff lol) as well as characters being made for petty one manship (terra as one for kitty).
Felicia is the one for Peter of course, although with Zeb quality "writing" might be for the best if she takes a vacation.
>Felicia is the one for Peter
Felicia only gives a shit about Spider-Man until she grows the frick up and that only happens once Peter has MJ
way to out yourself, newbie.
Nothing newbie about it, jackass. It's an integral part of Felicia's character and post OMD she went back to her old ways, because she never got the development she would have gotten only because Peter was with MJ. Even after that it takes a very long time for her to care about Peter and not just Spider-Man, Or are you just going to forget she wouldn't frick Peter without a mask?
Spencer wrote an arc where he said her post-OMD personality and turn to crime happened because Strange's spell fricked with her mind. Peter shared his identity with her, she went back to normal.
>Strange's spell fricked with her mind. Peter shared his identity with her, she went back to normal.
I could swear he stole that from a fanfic, but that's about the best way to handle it. Spencer got fricked with an apology tour, but at least he fixed some things.
Well dear Spider-Readers, Marvel tasks (You), yes (You), to come up with a storyline that involves giving Peter a new love interest. But plot twist: it cannot be anyone he's been in a relationship with before. They give you a bonus if it's a villainess. What do (You) do?
I'd pair him with a villain his age instead.
Rogue.
She's married to gambit currently.
Ironically, they already had a fling in some AU.
Based Claremont with the ship.
Fem Spider-Man. Anyone can wear the love interest mask
Kate Bishop
Needs a hotter costume.
Deny the task. Peter and Mary Jane belong to each other only.
Felicia had to be single again so that they could give her a girlfriend, see current Jackpot and Black Cat issue.
>its another ''Peter gets a date with a forgetable love interest OC by the writer''
it truly feels like the BND days again
No one looks like really interested about create the "next great Spider-man's love interest". I think Carly traumatized the writers about write a proper romance that isn't with MJ, Gwen or Felicia.
kingsley appearance?
Every time I see the name Anna I get excited thinking it's Anna Maria Marconi. I'm probably the only one who feels thiis way but I really liked her and wish she and Peter worked out. She deserved better.
Slott's Peter was characterized as being really incompetent and irresponsible and really just blew her off despite everything once he got his life back. Not only did he act like he didn't care he'd been dead for a year, but he gave her very little gratitude for constantly covering for his ass. Another reason for me to hate that era.
>They wrote MJ out with jackpot and Paul for a new love interest from the MCU
Change my mind.
I don't like MCU MJ. Paul can have her.
Not the best reader, huh?
Your sentence could be better worded if you didn't mean
>Paul was added to the comics because the MCU wants to use him as a romantic false lead when Peter sees MJ again.
I don't see Michelle Jones becoming a love interest if that's what you meant?
You do realize that "MJ" can apply to "Mary Jane" in the comics, right? The fact that you didn't think it meant "Mary Jane" in a thread about the comics is proof that Disney and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Tom Holland is you and a lot of people's only "Real" spiderman. Let me try to make it simpler
>Peter is single in the movies and will probably get a new love interest.
>they made Peter single in the comics by writing out Mary Jane with Paul, so they can slot in whoever the MCU makes.
I honestly don't know how that filtered you.
You're the one who brought up the MCU in a comics thread. Don't start complaining when others assume that's what you mean.
>MCU Peter with a new love interest
>Doubt
They've been making Peter single in the comics since OMD and they're going to keep doing it. There is nothing new about that.
BND writers do the BND thing the others seem to clearly line on it, but wells is also the last BND writer around and his thing is clearly ending in the way that all his other stuff's been ending, with it getting self undone. Its not really a thing that's very sustainable. I do doubt it was mcu synergy tho wells is somewhat involved with it so it could have been an attempt at wanting his stuff adapted.
Plus now there's the massive success of USM too standing against that narrative.
Your moronic headcanon already crumbles to pieces since the hugely popular Ultimate Spider-Man exists where Peter is married to MJ. People love those shitty memeverse movies and the Insomaniac games as well and there Peter is also soul tied to MJ. The reason why MJ is gone in TASM is because they think they can make some buck and merch out of every shitty piece of new Spider-Man lore there is and the series will never end always spinning its wheels back to the same Spidey/MJ/Felicia love triangle where everyone knows that MJ wins.
I mean its simpler, wells is a BND writer, BND has a literal bible about not letting the character progress because they view that as antitethical, wells writes accordingly, just kinda poorly. And its even pretty clear with the last issue where this run is going.
MJ sucks in those games.
MJ sucks everywhere right now. Best they can do is make her be okay with all the shit Peter does and leave her to the side until he needs a mommy figure in his life to take care of his issues. The romance is so fricking bad in this IP it's crazy.
>until he needs a mommy figure in his life to take care of his issues
I want butthole Peter back.
Yeah I don't know what's so hard about Peter having someone in his life that is on his level who will banter with him. Now it's just
>MUH QUEEN DID I BOTHER YOU AGAIN?
Dude is fricking Spider-Man. Not the battered neighborhood cuck
Paul can have her an all her variants.
USM is outselling asm by more than twice kek
She belongs to Paul anon, deal with it already.
Paul isn't lasting beyond this run anon, deal with it already.
They're already having mj on top of peter too, post it.
Posting it.
Someone do an nsfw edit
And When they reboot ASM we find out they broke up again and MJ/Paul married each other while Peter's life is forever in shambles the end. Switch over to the Ultimate Spider-Man for a good read.
Paul is a Nexus being. One of him is enough to satisfy all maryjanes together.
Stan, please.
>5th reprint of usm
>no reprints of asm
Deal with it already.
>is actually married to Mary-Jane instead of just rooming with her
>has actual children instead of fakes created by his dad
>has better facial hair and no manbun
>has an actual job and an income
>has birth certificate, valid ID, and Social Security Number
>did not murder billions of people by accident
>is actually trusted enough by MJ to pick her relatives up from the hospital
PAULBROS WHY DO WE KEEP LOSING
Dont forget even when with paul jackpot keeps ending on top of peter.
Theyre just trying to line her and Felicia up to get together. She has nothing with Paul but the (Years she was trapped for the kids that are now gone.)
Calling it now, theyre going to hook Felicia and Maryjane up together
Doubtful, last asm arc leant hard on "tension" with peter, and the next run will likely have them as a couple again. Plus felicia just got ANOTHER new love interest.
>Peter's selfless but very prone to blaming himself even for things he cannot control, can tend to mope and lets either life interfere with the other
>MJ runs away from serious responsibilities with her party girl stuff (be that a facade or not)
>Togheter peter helps mj actually handle serious situations than avoid them, mj helps peter to not blame himself for every single thing
>claremont does this
>claremont does the red sonja mj issue
And people say he didn't do anything for spider-man.
Honestly I kinda doubt the last part. Because the confirmed thing is that peter leaves the date to save betty, which doesn't work with the chasm attacking it part.
18/19 is teenaged? I always viewed that as the start of young adulthood (I say as a 21 year old). And eh, I said my issue is more so that the timeframe stretches stuff beyond belief but gwen has one mj doesn't. There's also the fact that mj has been far more introspection than gwen who largely became a post mortum (and sanctified character), something comparable would be if during the stern era they had revealed that mj had always been a mom I guess, which now id dislike but as a thing id probably not care as much at that point. Also explcity it wasn't cheating. Gwen "was with" norman during the time she had gone on two dates with peter and after peter had assaulted her elderly father.
Gwen died before she hit nine-teen. So Eigh-teen. Most people would consider that "teenaged". That's right there in the name???
We are talking about MJ being a mom. Specifically of Norman's children. I am curious why you've zeroed in on stern's era but this has nothing to do with sanctified images. Bringing that up is somewhat telling. If Gwen having sex with Norman affects her " sanctified" image, logically the reader doesn't think it was perfectly acceptable for her to have sex with Norman on a social level.
You're presenting a fan's theory of events. JMS stated when Sins Past was written that it was a matter affecting fidelity and a girlfriend sleeping with an older man. Databooks have stated it's infidelity. Touting fan theory like it has any basis in fact when it was written is pointless.
Marvel doesn't care about timelines when they want to be "shocking". Both stories are stupid and the editors need to do their damn jobs instead of actively making shit worse.
Gwen's post-death "sanctified" image was revisionist garbage that led to a lot of awful, awful stories, so killing it is a good thing. Trying to reinstate it led to one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all time.
And let's not pretend that any "databooks" written in the late 25 years even matter or have any binding power over later writers. It's not like Marvel actually employ a continuity expert to check everything like they did back in the 80s and 90s, so you end up just getting some rando's hot take on things, with the actual comic writers being free to ignore it.
Lmao. Can you tell me how Sins Past fixed the sanctification? Marvel ignored Sins Past and continued with the revisionism.
Spencer was addressing OMD, not sins past. Norman sold Harry because Peter sold something. Marvel loves their brainless parallels, and OMD is cancer.
Nothing needs to be pretended on my part. This was official material. Databooks trump fan theory in the canon arena. It's pure cope to present the views of a select few fans as canon.
>Stop bringing up Sins Past!
>Keeps bringing up Sins Past
My man...
>brings up sins past every thread
>whines when people call her out on it
>Some anon suggests comm anon might be pro sins past
>likely based on comm anon never posting anything with Liz
It's his money so no big deal there.
>comm anon proceeds to soft defend Sins Past using fan theory
>Sins past gets brought up by a few pro-Sins Past anon
>anons discuss it
You can't really blame people for bringing it up when it's treated like an open subject every thread and Sins Past spam images are constantly posted.
You're still going on about it, it's weird to see someone get so worked up over a joke.
Where did I state I was "worked up"? You mistake autism for annoyance.
So like everything here?
"Like everything here". Can have two meanings
>1. The entire thread is full of autistic people.
To that, I would not be surprised.
>2. Everything said regarding Sins Past.
To that, I would comment that I've just written here
yes
>You can't really blame people for bringing it up when it's treated like an open subject every thread and Sins Past spam images are constantly posted.
That's where you are wrong I can blame people bringing it up over and over since it no longer matters since it is no longer canon thanks tp Spencer. Look there is no denying Sins Past was a very bad and moronic story but it no longer matters since it is now non-canon, it's time to forget about it and move on.
What would you get with liz
Not any of those anons but if I were to put Liz in a shirt it would be lightly teasing..
Harry is Liz's wife and don't you diss him.
My mom would love this shirt. She jokes about my dad bring "her girlfriend" all the time. He's a bit high maintenance and expects gifts for special events. Meanwhile mom doesn't care about events but does something special because she knows he needs that attention.
Liz pulls up with a Starbucks and a "I'm not the step mom, I'm the mother who stepped up" t-shirt and makes Lily seethe.
Seems on brand.
Peter had a chip on his shoulder. He doesn't have a hold on his emotions, and would get angry easy. He'd pick fights with anybody whether because they were talking shit or he perceived them as talking shit. He'd even make excuses for his behavior in his head, rather than look into himself and realize he's the one at fault. Dude used to only care about himself and his family, but grew to truly care about others over time. Unlike the movies, he didn't go straight into the heroics after Uncle Ben died.
He wasn't some totally selfless boyscout, nor a meek nerd like in the movies.
#JusticeFosScorpion
One day he will leave jobber hell. I believe in it!
If Ultimate can do it for Shocker, then it can do it for Scorpion too.
not even the artist likes the picture. he didn't post it on his twitter or insta.
Someone just fricking post the full fricking spoilers for the issue already, for those of us who just want to know how badly they frick over Ned and Ben.
Goblin/Kafka approaches Ben and Janine with an offer to restore Ben's memories via the Winkler machine, which she has modified to erase and replace someone's memories and personality, which is what happened to poor Ned
>>Ben is for it, but Janine doesn't trust her.
gets confronted by Mary Jane, who came by to visit Peter but he's off on a date. MJ confronts Norman about Ned rotting in jail and how the lawyer Norman got him, while stalling his trial, hasn't gotten him out on bail or done anything to bring down Kingsley.
agrees to help, leading to him burning down Kingsley's fashion design house as Gold Goblin and him cackling like mad to foreshadow his return as Green Goblin.
>>Ben and Janine attack Peter and his date and Chasm nearly kills the poor girl, which pisses off Janine.
>>MJ returns home to Paul and finds out that Ned has escaped prison with help from several super-villains (implied to be the Sinister Six)
is brought before Queen Goblin, only for Kraven and Doctor Octopus to show up and demand that once Peter's mind is merged with Ben's to give him his memories back, Otto wants his brain put into Peters mindless body again
>>>Ben and Janine attack Peter and his date and Chasm nearly kills the poor girl, which pisses off Janine.
Jesus fricking christ....
>norman loses his sins, immediately becomes guilty
>kafka gets normans sins, immediately becomes evil
>peter gets normans sins, immediately becomes evil
>norman gets his sins, laughs a bit every now and then but is overall holding it together pretty well
make it make sense
He's used to it and gained tolerance. Anyone else getting the sins is like downing a bottle of liquor all at once.
That comic is probably one of my favorite Spider-Man vs Green Goblin stories ever, the ending just hits hard
Same, but I think a lot of people misunderstand the ending. Peter basically calls a troll on his bluff. It reminds me a little of that one comic where Peter does react in anger; he beats up Norman, and we're all 100% on his side for it. Yet the green goblin got the last laugh because the entire thing was recorded. Sometimes not fighting is the better move.
Peter knows Norman isn't going to intentionally kill Normie. After he's calmed down from the rage, he realizes the entire thing is a suicidal farce and takes back control from someone who had too much control over him.
It's also interesting that the story relies somewhat on the villains distorted humanity. The idea that there are lines that even guys like Norman can't cross. It helps humanize a horrible excuse for a human being without sympathizing with them or offering excuses for their behavior. Modern writing should take notes.
Yes, it's one of those rare cases where giving a villian boundaries that they won't cross work without coming off as an attempt to justify or excuse their actions.
They both just sit down and chat after beating each other up. Norman tells a joke, Peter says he has this recurring dream and Norman just calmly asks
>What kind of dream, Peter?
And I don't know, it just works. Perfectly encapsulates what this whole thing was about and the fact that they do understand each other. Not in an ideological, philosophical "ying and yang" etc way but just as people, which makes them hate each other even more.
Of course Peter hits Norman with "Just being you - that's life without parole" and that line is so good at exactly describing what and who Norman is and why he was trying to make Peter kill him.
Norman just staring at the gun in his desk while silently sobbing was raw as hell.
>Ben is for it, but Janine doesn't trust her
Frick me this is just the ending to Beyond again. I get that they don't actually want to fix Ben, but why can't they at least acknowledge any of the countless rational ways Peter could be trying to help?
Wells isn't going to draw attention to his own plot holes, that's left up to other writers like Foxe to dunk on him.
Because if Ben was with the muties again, Jean of all people would call Peter and Kaine to help Ben and Restore his memories.
But possibly would fail because the one who has it is Mephisto
Muties are off the table for the moment, but I mean Reed is right there. In fact Reed has already done this exact thing before where he got Doom's backup memories out of Kristoff to fix Doom's broken mind, and Peter was there for that.
I both do and do not want my silly goofy Goblin man back again.
Assuming this is true...
After Dark Web, I started to worry that Marvel were planning to have Janine turn on Ben and become a solo anti-hero while he remained a villain. It looks like that might finally be happening, just when I thought they were going to prove me wrong.
Is Ned going to become the new Green Goblin? Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling that Norman cackling is a red herring.
As much as I'm enjoying the Octopus-Girl manga, I am so fricking tired of this Superior Spider-Shit. It almost makes me wish Otto would be killed off for good just to be sure that we never get any more body-swapping stories with him. God, is this the feeling that led to Marvel killing off Ben at the end of the Clone Saga to prove that Peter was the real deal?
Maybe he didn't get all of the sins back, just enough to make him a bit unstable but not evil.
fair assumption about the sins but surely everyone else also feels like the mechanics of sins are getting frickin ridiculous right
The more time has passed, the more I think this whole sins business was a pretty dumb idea.
At the risk of jinxing it, I don't think that's what they have planned. As much of a hard-on as they seem to have for Superior Spider-Man, I think they want to have both an evil Spider-Man doppelganger and the classic villainous Doctor Octopus with a fat body and lame haircut.
Maybe I'm just a pessimist but
>Otto tries to mindswap with Peter
>Something goes wrong, Ben gets hit
>Partial mindswap (like what happened to Spiders-Man apparently) so Otto's mind is both in his body and now in Ben's too
>Lowe gets to know out three birds with one stone: Ben fricked over some more, Superior Spider-Man back in a form he can probably keep going for a while, and we still have a classic Otto running around
I'd like to believe Lowe isn't quite that much of a dipshit, but I admit that he hasn't give me any reason to believe he isn't.
I imagine this scenario
>Ben becomes superior
>Otto is retooled into Raimi Octavius, with Anna Maria Living with him and He becoming a Pragmatic villain wanting to do Good with Evil ways.
>Peter is still Peter but with more trauma because His Brother is now Superior and still hates him but leaves him alone because of Otto's mind telling him NO and wagering him with the i can recover all you lost.
>Bonus for Ned becoming Green Goblin and Kafka being possessed by OG Kafka's spirit and memories telling her to stop and that Spider Man and Ben riley is her friend and always was.
Frick now you've got me worried that they'll have their cake and eat it too by Superior Spider-Manning Ben
ffs they will, wont they?
It's Norman not Ned. The story explicitly states that Norman destroys Kingsley's new fashion studio, after MJ browbeats him into doing something more to help Ned beyond stalling the trial until Peter finds proof Ned was brainwashed, as Queen Goblin relocated the mind control machine then wiped Kingsley's memory of the whole affair to frick over Ned.
Do you have images?
Norman becoming the Green Goblin again certainly it's the obvious route. But how many times has turned out the obvious route was not the one taken?
The Octopus Girl manga has been extremely dull for a while. Ever since they started to focus on the schoolgirl Vulture in fact. Her backstory ended up being so predictable as it was uninspired. "We were besties until my dad died fighting a big company. Now I'm a b***h, but not a fun to read b***h like your other friends, just a frigid unlikeable b***h".
>Maybe he didn't get all of the sins back, just enough to make him a bit unstable but not evil.
Then how come he reverts back to being the Green Goblin and ends up fighting Peter again in ASM #50 you moron?
The solicits are literally teasing us with WHO IS THE GREEN GOBLIN? like it might not be Norman, so we're going to have to wait and see what happens.
Norman in 50, someone else in 52
Watch it be betty.
Well, I guess seeing your first gf and former co-worker turn into a goblin would be kind of traumatic but MJ would be the better option if a writer really wanted to be "shocking".
>demand that once Peter's mind is merged with Ben's to give him his memories back, Otto wants his brain put into Peters mindless body again
Are Dan Slott and Zeb Wells not coordinating at all? We just went through this exact same thing in the Superior Spider-Man ongoing.
If only there was a position at Marvel to ensure such things didn't happen.
Now, just picturing Janine going to Peter, just make Ben even more salty.
Source for any of this
>Source for any of this
His ass of course trust nothing unless pics are posted.
This kinda confirms it
Man that's an hour long video, what am I looking for?
>Man that's an hour long video, what am I looking for?
Look at the timestamps
ASM starts at the 52 minutes mark
>with an offer to restore Ben's memories via the Winkler machine
I just don't understand. They're acting like Peter/Ben don't have close ties with the X-Men and can't just get a friendly telepath to xerox or restore Peter's memories to Ben. What is this forced drama just for Chasm to exist? It's pointless.]
Why isn't Peter doing more to help Ben? Hell, you have fricking Julia, or whatshername, the shittier madame webb. She is a literal telepath, tell her to get off her useless fricking ass and do something for the supposed 'Center of the Web' and his literal dark side clone for fricking once.
>Otto wants to ride Peter's body again
I wish Superior never fricking happened. This shit will taint every adaptation and storyline involving Otto forever now.
>Otto wants his brain put into Peters mindless body again
What? We JUST had this happen in Superior
FFS how can Slott reference the events of ASM in Superior but Wells can't do the same for Superior?
Ironically more interesting than what the actual issue was sadly. I will say to anyone reading this don't get your hopes up on how bad it will be. Well's played it safe
In short. Maybe idk 10% happens but nothing to crazy or ragebait fuel. Maybe that could change next issue, but I doubt it
I still don't get why Janine is acting like a crazy moron. Ben and Ashley have at least mentally compromised by various things, Janine is just rolling with it
Not a spoiler since it was a preview image but out of the 3 in this issue Janine was the only one who put a normal person at risk. Issue feels more like filler leading up to wells's six and Paul goblin. I feel for the bait that it was going to be painfully bad instead of wells boring bad
Demonic powers that turn you into monsters presumably aren't very mentally conductive.
Doubtful
Don't worry, I'm a devout Bengay so I will leave this issue angry no matter what!
I understand your pain and it's honestly just more of dark web Chasm shit. That could change next issue but idk. Hopefully the kaine and Ben series at least doesnt have "peter is a big meanie who wont give memories" in it
I trust Foxe will treat them all with respect in that book, but at the same time I'm scared that book will be used to legitimize Chasm making it even more unlikely Ben will be fixed
Meanwhile greg land art tho
Anon, you should know by now that a statement like that warrants spoilers. How else can we know how bad the issue is when the book is in a perpetual state of being bad?
same guy from before, but does anyone else wish they'd do something with kingsley? after norman brutalised him, they pissed him around in miles' comics where he did jack shit then he blew himself up and disappeared. we havent even seen his face since like asm #12/13, i miss him.
If you like a character you don't want Wells writing them.
Honestly Wells wrote him better than Ziglar did
I'd enjoyed his appearances with Ziglar tbh.
which comics were written by ziglar again?
I hate how Ziglar writes characters. He can't do dialogue to save his life, and neither Scorpion nor Hobgoblin would ever be chummy with Miles. I don't care how you try and justify it that just wouldn't happen
I'll give you Scorpion, even if they're sadly the best appearances he's had in a decade. It's an exaggeration to say Kingsley was "chummy" with Miles. Kingsley loves cracking jokes and snark during battles and often gives off a veneer of friendliness while also being utterly ruthless.
I can't think of a time when I would ever describe Kingsley as being "friendly", nor did he ever really crack jokes. His whole schtick was that he wasn't crazy (or at least not Norman crazy).
It also felt super out of place when he was saying how he respected Miles, that man has a huge ego and would never say that
We are talking about the same guy readers from the 80s complained that Stern made too stereotypically gay so he put Kingsley with a girl to shut them up, right?
I liked his appearances. His amicable dialogue was just casual danger dialogue and that's fine for Kingsley. What bothered me was making Hobgoblin refer to his mind as broken. That was terribly terribly ooc. He's very insistent that he fixed the formula despite having no background in chemistry and is proud of being "the sane one". Any comments contesting this will be met with vitriolic reprisal.
Norman is similar in that respect at times but he's more aware that he has a few mental health issues and is willing to admit them if he thinks they'll benifit him. Also because his keep talking to him. Gobby is the one who knows and is aware he and Norman are batshit insane.
>What bothered me was making Hobgoblin refer to his mind as broken.
He's talking about what Kafka did to him, not the Goblin formula
I really don't see him suddenly changing his tune because of what Kafka did.
In addition to this, he fixed the formula so it wouldn't explode in his face, he didn't remove it's potential for making people crazy. He believed a time-limited exposure to it would give him powers without madness, the same issue made a point of showing that he immersed himself in it for longer than he calculated was safe.
I'm surprised there wasn't more seething over him confirming it was indeed the real Kingsley who fought Miles before back when Benis was writing the book.
lmao true that. unfortunately even shitty writing gives me something to look at and talk about, normans few appearances have kept me busy so far.
Sad but true.
>Ben and Kafka further ruined by Wells
why does nobody talk about this spider-man manga? i didn't even know it existed until today.
I forgot about it, and I can't find it.
Janine will betray Ben
I like when Kingsley gets bullied by Peter AND Norman
May we all take spiders to the face with at least half as much grace.
i like when kingsley gets bullied by norman :3.....
Btw news from the summit
Cates and Gleason were both in talks to be apart the next era of ASM [/spoiler[
It just gets worse
>gleason
Hah called it . If that means he's next. I can take or leave cates, but Gleason's a good writer.
He's also the biggest Peter/MJ gay of all time so they really are pivoting in response to Ultimate, lmao.
Dunno if of ALL time, but clearly they're going to pivot, they did last time and that ultimate was relatively less successful than this one.
There's no relatively about it right now, ASM is supposed to be their best selling comic and yet it's barely doing even half as well as a simple and straightforward USM story.
Cates would be on writing. Gleason would be on art, probably.
why not both?
I would be much more excited for this if Lowe got the boot too.
There is no chance that Lowe is going to be sticking around. Brevoort, Moss, White and Lewis have all been moved around. It'll only be a matter of time until Lowe is as well.
New swirl piece
Nice buns on Peter there.
Boobs.
And I don't think there's discrepancies in DeFalco's and PAD's versions of events. DeFalco intends Ned as a red herring but tells Owsley he's Hobgoblin because he thinks Owsley will try and screw him over if he knew that it was Richard Fisk. But he didn't count on Owsley finding an excuse to fire him. With DeFalco gone, Owsley then decides to muck up (possibly intentionally) DeFalco's story by killing Ned so he can reveal someone else as the Hobgoblin and PAD, who was his go to guy, objects at his choice feeling like the fans wouldn't buy it and they decide to do the post-mortem reveal that Ned was the Hobgoblin.
I don't get why people have to make everything about early MJ a lie. She liked having fun and was insensitive to other's at times and said mean stuff sometimes. These are character flaws and flaws aren't bad.
Absolutely, and conway gave her a nice arc where she matured while still being fun. Wein kept that course, wolfman backtracked and stern thought of a way to meld both into one cohesive take.
And yeah I think the thing that makes mj compelling are her flaws and how they relate to peter's own character flaws.
>And yeah I think the thing that makes mj compelling are her flaws and how they relate to peter's own character flaws.
Explain.
I wish we got a mini for Chasm because I think his new outfit is really cool and his new powers are neat too. Too bad they'll probably just revert back to status quo without explaining why Ben suddenly can't control green goo or shit like that anymore.
>I wish we got a mini for Chasm
They announced one in february, with Kaine co-starring
Jesus, she looks so fricking ugly on that cover.
Methinks Shadow of the Green Goblin made Emily look too young.
They look very cool.
If they keep Emily sketchy af and these two will be favorite psycho MILF/DILF duo in Spider-Man ngl.
>think hallows eve is hot as frick
>all her appearances are now stuck with fricking chasm
pain
they're breaking up with #47 and she's going solo with blood hunt
What a good and simple design. I miss shit that's not overcomplicated.
I'm still amused that this design and Chasm's fit were basically stolen lmao.
stolen from where?
Problem is that her powers are fricking dumb.
Her or Goblin Queen?
Hattie
I assume you mean hottie?
>Queen Goblin
>Hallows' Eve
>Chasm
Three great designs that are sadly associated with three cases of character assassination.
I was running through Dr. Kafka's history, and the character assassination is almost hilariously; she was introduced curing Vermin and restoring his humanity. But the writers forgot this happened, and Vermin went back to being a monster for no explained reason, and its never been commented on. And he got cloned too. Also she fricked Kraven, the guy who torments Vermin. You could probably make a tragic story about all this, if you were a good writer.
Anyway I like how she was introduced fairly frumpy and then became younger and sexier over time
Man this design would be so much better if they gave it to Emily. Have her orchestrate an ambush and steal the costume. Make the orange neon green instead, or a dark purple or some other halloween color that is different from Hobgoblin. Also man, yet another goblin character connected to demons. That's three now. Lame. Should've made her get these masks from Norman's collection that he got from all over the world (like he collected magic masks from places and then they were made into these party masks by the goblin) or Mysterio creating them. Ugh magic is being used too often in Spider-Man. Morlun and totems at least built themselves up into Peter's world while still providing mystery until Slott pissed all the mystique away.
>inb4 anti-totem gays shit on me
Yeah whatever. I liked how it was done and built upon other stories and their spider vs. man symbolism.
Kino
Kek. Some people will not rest until every woman Norman has shared a bedside with has gone goblin mode.
yes
You've heard of radioactive semen. Get ready for goblin stds.
Norman FRICKS.
Hallow's Eve has all the same problems Chasm does so it fits
>Ben is a mentally ill schizo because he's been fricked with
>Janine knows this, and knows that Peter wants to help Ben
>She finds Ben and indulges his schizo delusions instead of actually helping to cure them
>Ben gets worse
>Now Janine decides he's too far gone and ditches him (ride or die lol) even though she's the one that's enabled him up to this point
Surely this isn't the route they're gonna go, and surely they don't actually expect the reader to side with Janine if that is what happens
You underestimate Lowe's powers of bad decisions
Is there any good reading guides for Spidey that incudes those other series like spectacular, etc? interested in reading
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=61
This includes every appearance but you can just skip the ones that aren't Spider-Man books if you're not interested (barring Amazing Fantasy 15, of course)
I'll always recommend ASM 498-500 to anybody because it has some quintessential Spidey moments. Not just the literal montages of his hardest battles, but his character as a whole.
Besides that I also recommend Marvel Knights Spider-Man: Fight Night. The art is crazy as hell, but it's a good character insight for Spidey too. And it does him justice too which is always a plus.
Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic (2022) #99
Published:
May 01, 2024
Writer:
Anthony Oliveira
Penciler:
Eleonora Carlini
Why is this a Voices thing? What are they gonna do to poor Normie?
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Looks great but the artist was too scared to not let him be defined by a lack of linework that made the cover it's paying homage to so kino.
I just want this as a poster so damn bad
Spidey had some kino covers during the black suit era, even when he replaced it with a cloth version.
panini doing more variants crap
So how long until the garbage starts seeping into Ultimate Spider-Man? It's been really fun so far and they seem to do different things from TASM but I can't help but feel shit like the multiverse or Miles Morales are going to happen soon enough. It always does.
The second Hickman steps off the book. Either that or when the next shit event starts and Hickman can't stop them from dragging his Peter into their mess
Those colors look so good. But why is the book so big?
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I'm not a big fan of Spider-Gwen's comics but I really enjoy when she becomes Gwenom. I think it's a really cool design.
It gets even better when people make a little jacket part come out of the mouth.
>I think it's a really cool design.
It's funny to think this is really all she's got. Her entire universe is even basically just "Earth-That Sounds Like A Cool Idea." Everything else is usually a wash.
Ultimate Spider-Man. Character Design for Gwen Stacy. #UltinateSpiderMan #MarcoChecchetto #Marvel #SpiderMan #JonathanHickman #design #comics
Mommy.
Now do one with her in the family guy fall over pose
made for goblin wiener
Indeed
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Very nice cover. Still wish she wouldn't be moved from her own universe. I'd rather they actually try to finally do something interesting there finally instead of just cashing on her Spider-Verse hype by constantly having her piggyback off Miles' universe.
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I'm surprised Ultimate Spider-Man exists since every other choice Marvel comics have made for the character for a looong while was mostly iredeemable OMD tier shit at worst and harmless at best.
They wouldn't have made good decisions unless things were getting really bad. We had 16 years of misplaced pride and Quesada's gaggle of morons telling us that One More Day was the best thing to happen to Spider-Man, before declining sales and actual alarm bells being raised by previously 'safe' sites like CBR and Screen Rant made them realized that they were now in danger and literally can't afford to keep having their way at the fans' expense.
This but I'm surprised because Marvel has done their utmost to diminish the character's uniqueness and worth and pass it off to a literal grab bag of knockoffs while making the original unremarkable and shitty.
I think there is an understanding of a lost generation of reader gap that the industry is slowly feeling. Barely a fraction of the audience will be available as they consume other media like anime or gaming. Speculator whales retire or leave the market over time causing massive revenue gaps, as the mcu loses steam over the next 5 - 10 years. Marvels rage bait technique can only go so far now that readers are entirely sick of it, so now we get appeasement like usm.
Things I've learned trying to complete as much of Ultimate Spider-Man videogame as I can.
>Johnny Storm is a Black person homosexual. High difficulty races is one thing, actively setting traps to keep you from catching up to him is a whole different level of being a c**t. At least allow me to do the same to him so it's fair.
>I hate that Japanese gang with all my heart. I have much less trouble with any of the game's bosses than these "block your attacks 90% of the time even if you web them up" homosexuals. I finished their combat tours but they're just making things more tedious than it needs to be.
>falling from balconies or other such surfaces is the leading cause of death in New York if this game is to be believed
>why so few costumes? You have six. One of which is your default costume, one similar to default but without the webbing patterns and two are different variations of Peter Parker
I may sound overly negative, but I actually love this game. I just wanted to vent some frustrations with it.
When is this b***h getting her punishment?
I share your opinion, unfortunately, Idon't think she can be "punished".
I mean, she's connected to the Beyonders somehow, so maybe she's not human at all.
At this point I expect her to have the immunity of Agger from Thor where as the evil CEO she constantly gets away with her mustache twirling evil and if she is thwarted, it’s nothing more than a mild inconvenience
Ben and janine should rawdog her.
Now you're making me wanna commission things
Basd
I forgot to mention I don't have any money
Get money
3rd world country
It's looks like Paul hacked into the living brain
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Oh this artist absolutely loves the original Venom comics and rereads up to Lethal Protector every week.
end of preview
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Souless
Soul
Classic.
for comparison
did anyone else read the new Edge Of Spider-Verse because I did and it's making me mad. i mean at least Cooper has some depth beyond being just a gay stereotype but 99% of his character is still "I'm GAY" and I hate it
reading the two back to back is so fricking evil. hey here's this lesbian and here she is being happy with her girlfriend.
here's this gay man pining over being in love with his straight friend.
god forbid a gay man actually gets to have a fricking relationship, am I right.
Black Panther Powers Up to Defeat Moon Knight, Spider-Man & Green Goblin Hack Their Suits, & More in Upcoming Ultimate Issues
Readers can’t get enough of the new Ultimate Universe!
Packed with fascinating versions of iconic Marvel characters and set in an unfamiliar world that was crafted by the Maker to be free of super heroes, Marvel’s new Ultimate line has been a mega success—demanding multiple printings and sparking intense conversation between fans!
Each issue has peeled back another layer of how twisted this new Earth is, and how hard its burgeoning heroes will need to work to get it back on track. Right now, get a sneak peek at what’s to come with cover reveal and synopses for July’s four Ultimate issues.
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #7
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN
Art and Cover by MARCO CHECCHETTO
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Jonathan Hickman and Marco Checchetto continue to spin the Spidey story of the decade in ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #7. The start of an all-new arc, the issue picks up after Green Goblin and Spider-Man’s intense battle with the Kingpin, where they learned they aren’t as ready to reshape the world as they hoped. Harry and Peter get to work, while Ben and Jonah work on “the truth”… And problems for their resistance arise when Tony Stark checks in on Peter!
Ock's gonna hack their suits, and MJ has to get homespun versions of both costumes for them.
>Harry's homespun suit looks more like the 616 Green Goblin.
Kino
Iron lad vs spidey?
I hope we can get some Peter and Harry brotherhood going in USM. At least let them develop a good friendship before pitting them against each other. Better yet, just don't have them go against each other at all.
The fact that their partnership is lasting beyond the first arc is very interesting.
Otto is gonna hack everything.
juaneferreyra: Amazing Spider-Man!
crap next week:
miley
https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/marvel-comics-exclusive-preview-miles-morales-spider-man-19/
spectacular spider-men 2
https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/marvel-comics-exclusive-preview-spectacular-spider-men-2/
what if
https://www.looper.com/1560053/exclusive-marvel-preview-how-venom-possesses-doctor-strange/
spider-boy
https://comic-watch.com/news/exclusive-preview-baily-finds-himself-at-the-mercy-of-madam-monstrosity-in-spider-boy-6
>FALLOUT FROM ISSUE #300!
>The climactic events of issue #300 have FOREVER CHANGED Miles Morales! But a SPIDER-MAN’s job is never done. And in fact, learning to live with the consequences of his actions might be the greatest job of Miles’ life. Who will survive? What has the battle cost him? And what does the future look like for Miles Morales: Spider-Man?!
Alright what happened last issue and why are they making his powers just electricity?
It's funny because big issue 300 wasn't even the climax for the story being told, it ended in the middle of a fight scene.
The "climactic event" was that Miles's clone (the joke one that can only say "glurp") might be dying. They literally wheeled him out of limbo for this arc to kill him off for some fake drama
Why do none of the games give me the suits I really want?
Because the games aren't made by fans
Also, licencing rights issues
They had a budget of over 300 million, and Sony was their Publisher. There’s no excuse for why every single MCU suit made it in, but Hammond Spidey and Toei Spidey didn’t.
Since we're bringing up Lily Hollister, why did they make her a black cat recolor? What about her influenced this change?
I'm just surprised they added a Black Cat form when Lily already had a goblin form.
Concept idea: Menace gets a redesign that combines both outfits.
>Fluffy cat goblin.
I kinda like the idea.
Hmmm
Cute!
Thanks.
for me, personally, it's having all the people related to or involved with Norman be very cute and evil.
as demonstrated here
:O love it!!
Lily looks like an American curl with those horns.
During AXIS, Hobgoblin's morality flipped so instead of licensing supervillain identities he licensed out knock-off superheroes. Lily had amnesia so he made her a Black Cat knock-off.
So what will Spider-boys only friend mutate into ?
ASM 53 var
>Wells's own Oscorp suit hidden in the back behind 2 others
Ouch
Yep what i had done first.
>gives all these spider-men a lil kissy
🙂
>t. Felicia
Mj pls stop.
Anyways cute comment.
MJ belongs to Paul now, Petercel.
Stop lying to yourself paulgay.
>upside Down
I was making an upside fown kiss nod and commenting that the comment is cure
ENTER [OUR THIRTY-SOMETHING OLD MAN AND HIS LOVING FAMILY]
>is actually married to Mary Jane instead of just rooming with her
>has actual children instead of fakes created by his dad
>has better facial hair and no manbun
>has an actual job and an income
>has birth certificate, valid ID, and Social Security Number
>did not murder billions of people by accident
PAULBROS WHY DO WE KEEP LOSING
Not in 616.
I THINK 616 SUCKS
616 doesn't even give him any lines anymore and barely has him amount to a cameo now, bro.
Even his dad, Zebediah Wells, is tired of Paul.
Technically is 616, just one that was changed from the very beginning. MC2 is technically MC2 as well, it's just a branching timeline. It's 616-2 (actually 982 but shut up) :^)
Can marvel stop hiring artists that can only use the Insomniac Games as references for suits Peter has? Seriously how many variant covers have we gotten where the design is straight ripped from Insomniacs games?
Even worse when toys do it for the comics line.
Cosmic Spider-Man has never been in an Insomniac Spider-Man game.
No, because Insomniac Spoder-Man games are MASTERPIECES
Iron spider and symbiote look comic y. PI used blue lights not green. Nit that gamey.
>Classic orange
>Red and purple
It’s the orange red they used on the Advanced suit
It’s orange
Peter Parker is Spider-Man.
Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
Gwen belongs to Miguel now, Milescel.
Paul status?
betrayed and trapped back in his shithole dimension.
I’m just glad they fixed the Raimi suit.
You mean ruined?
Are you blind?
Where did the color go?
It was too red and blue. The blue portions of the suit are supposed to be a shade of blue that almost looks black or grey in certain lighting, and the red portion wasn’t that deep.
Anti-Venom Suit if it wasn’t shit
Now he looks like a juggalo.
No, I don't think so.
The updated suit looks more like these.
No, the blue is so muted it's bordering gray.
It looks blue to me. Maybe you’re just colorblind?
Much better. Ingame AV suit is pathetically ugly
I’m liking the fleshy texturing a lot more than the cum texture. Same goes for the Anti-Venom face markings, black strips on the arms and legs, and the rectangle web shooters on the hands.
The second one looks so weird.
Why’s that?
The eyes
Newsarama: Justina, Morbius has a strange sort of cultural presence at the moment. What's it like putting him back in the spotlight alongside Spider-Man at the same time he's become something of a meme outside of comics?
Justina Ireland: Incredibly fun. I mean, it's comics, it's always supposed to be fun.
I know some folks don't like to lean into memes, but I think being able to laugh at the silliness of the internet (and also give a wink to it) is always the way to go. I also think sometimes when people start to crap on the things we love our first instinct is to defend it, and that's fair. But why are you giving those people power over you?
At my age I don't want to waste what time I have left, so who cares if a few randos hate something you love? Keep it moving, and spend time on the things that spark joy.
Newsrama: On that note, as a living vampire, how does Morbius fit in with what's going on in Blood Hunt?
Justina: I mean, he’s kind of the OG vampire. At least for me. I knew Morbius’ backstory before I ever read a single page of Dracula. Morbius is tragic and the epitome of the morally gray hero. Sometimes he’s on the side of good, sometimes not, but most importantly he’s always on his side. And I like that about him.
Plus, what girl doesn’t want to end up with a doctor, even if he’s perhaps tragically cursed with an unpredictable bloodlust and questionable decision making skills? All I’m saying is you can’t have a massive vampire driven event and leave Dr. Mike on the sidelines.
Newsrama: Morbius and Spider-Man have been both enemies and reluctant allies in the past. What's their dynamic like this time?
Justina: No spoilers, but as usual their Facebook status is "it's complicated."
Newsrama: You're working with Marcelo Ferreira, who's drawn his share of Spider-Man in the past. How has it been working with an artist of his caliber and experience with the subject matter?
Justina: I mean, I basically just stay out of the way, which is honestly my default position. It's important to know your lane, and I'm a writer, not an artist. Marcelo knows his craft. I just admire the pretty.
Newsrama: With three issues to tell this story, were there any big Spider-Man moments or concepts you really wanted to include while you have the opportunity?
Justina: I've mostly been focused on finding a way to organically include "it's Morbin' time" into the issues, so not really. Real talk though: just getting to spend time crafting a comic is enough. I definitely thought I'd be into a third dysfunctional marriage by now, not writing Marvel comics. So every day is a gift.
Newsrama: Blood Hunt is a big event, with a bunch of tie-ins. How do you make your mark in an overall event with this many issues and stories?
Justina: Who knows? I always get a little overwhelmed at crossover events, and that includes writing as well as reading. But if you're like me, you just read the issues that feature your favorite characters. Which is why I made sure to figure out a way to include the Daughters of the Dragon, and Lizard, along with Spider-Man and Morbius. Honestly, if I could've found a way to work Storm in there somehow it might have been everything 12 year old me wanted to read. Next time, I suppose.
Newsrama: What do you want readers to know about Amazing Spider-Man: Blood Hunt?
Justina: It's gonna be a blast. And it's cheaper than a latte! So why not give it a spin?
end of preview
truly, it's Morbin time
Peter is the "new" Goblin.
https://twitter.com/SpiderMan/status/1778895610482999468/photo/1
Excuse me, what?
Like, I was an enjoyer of SpiderKEK and disappointed when that story seemed to be an afterthought, but nothing since then has implied we'd be revisiting Gobbed Peter again
That costume is awful
the nightmare never ends
At least make a cool costume.
HE'S BACK!
>spider who gobs
>again
why
It’s all so tiring.
Zeb is so unbelievably cooked, it's insane
buahahahahahha
Buajajajajjjhahahhaha
BUUAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Wells and Lowe are quite literally the most moronic writer-editor team in the entire publication history of Spider-Man.
>hide cover so as to not spoil it
>spoil it anyway due to lack of interest
tbf this does seem like a response to the criticism that the spider who keks did frick all in that arc
This reminds me of the spider-verse Peter who became the Goblin (with Hobgoblin's color scheme for some reason) after Gwen died. I'd like to see him again and wonder if he turned to the Goblin serum for additional power and coping, and if it would frick his mind like it did Norman and Harry's. Or maybe Peter would work out the kinks in it along the way?
Man, that'd be interesting.
....so how long was this planned?
I think the original arc was supposed to be bigger but clearly didn't vibe with whatever Gang War was going for so they split it up in two.
Oh, so they're incompetent.
Yes?
It was a toss-up between that and willfully malicious, but they don't even look like buttholes right now. Just moronic.
Lowe was called the laziest man in comics, I think that fits.
>I'm tired boss
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN?
Oops, meant to post this:
https://twitter.com/SpiderMan/status/1778895610482999468
And we STILL don't have any more info on Chasm: Curse of Kaine btw
Calm your breasts, I'm sure they're waiting for ASM 48 to be released
Okay so they have to be intentionally fricking with us now. They're recycling plots not even a year old. What, is Kaine going to become "Cavern" and an unrelated Mayan math god going to port Felicia into another dimension?
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
zeb wells is a goblincel, so by default all goblincel posters are moronic and a waste of space.
Also found a Fake Red Suit
wagie stieder
Does making the book bad on purpose boost sales or something?
It makes people talk about it and that's the only thing they can think of to get people to care. They don't know how to make people care when they try to make something good because they know and go out of their way to reject what people actually want from the book.
Last save corrupted my image so I had to delete. I'll post it again next thread.