>"It doesn’t look good when someone is just swinging on a rope. You think you’re gonna go in there, you’re like, 'We’re gonna do it all practical. We’re gonna get a stuntman. We’re gonna be swinging around.' It’s boring. It looks dumb. It looks like a monkey swinging on a vine when you put someone on just a rope. Don’t waste your time."
https://theplaylist.net/jon-watts-advice-to-new-spider-man-filmmaker-dont-bother-with-practical-swinging-effects-20240513/
Thanks, OP. Will remember it next time I do a Spider-man movie
Absolute hack
o rly?
That's a dummy. Really, they made a torso and head of Spider-man for her to hold on to, then shot in front of greenscreen. It's anything but real swinging, though without relying on CGI.
Her hair is blowing in the wrong direction
I bet that her hair smells nice.
AND THEY SAY THAT A HERO WILL SAVE US
>hack declares practical effects "too hard", gives up
It's not the practical effect of it, it's the human body. It would take some extreme contortioning from someone both swinging (supporting their weight while holding a line) and midair both, and done in immediate succession. You could stitch them together digitally, shots of someone doing each individually, but it would be insane to try to shoot if you even could get someone of the right shape and size and insane flexibility and skill to make the shots possible at all. Then to do it all safely, it's not worth the effort, time, money, other resources...
>hackspeak
has he seen his own movies. the cgi is terrible.
Sony CGI is fricking embarassing
I mean, Sspider-Man's made up powers and webbing are literally impossible to recreate IRL.
His physiology makes him a better acrobat and contortionist than any non-mutant/mutate. Add in superhuman refle es, superstrength, crazy enhanced speed, the Spider Sense, and maleable web fluid that's as strong as steel, ya throw CG at it.
Did you know that they didn't get a real acid-spitting, chest-bursting xenomorph for Alien? It's all fake.
You could probably figure something out
More like
>it's easier and cheaper to film movies in a green screened room and underpay a bunch of Indians to put special effects together than to actually put thought and effort into using practical effects. This way we can blow all the money we saved on drug parties and underage dicky.
I hate Hollywood so much.
His movies were soulless schlock and he's a ultimate studio journeyman director, but he is right about the web slinging. Raimi came to the same conclusion, they did with with CGI. Marc Webb made a big deal out of doing more practical web slinging in The Amazing Spider-Man and they shot bunch of stuff practically, but ultimately almost none of that ended in the film because it just didn't look fast and nimble enough.
Someone post that embarrassing shot of a shitty CGI model jumping from the car. Because that doesn't look dumb AT ALL.
Does anyone remember that weird Spider-Man musical in which a bunch of people got seriously injured doing stunts?
why don't they just use their robot
Spider-Man is THE WORST superhero
>It’s boring. It looks dumb. It looks like a monkey swinging on a vine when you put someone on just a rope
that's why you use animatronic dummies which can be safely launched at high speeds
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like disney themselves use in the parks
damn that's actually pretty cool
his movie is boring and looks dumb so he should stick to that aesthetic
Ironic. His movies have zero memorable swinging scenes. This dude is the vanilla ice cream of directors, couldn’t make an interesting shot without marvels approval.
Adding some spring rigging to the top of that rope would go a long way towards the stunt men/acrobats being able to make that drop out and pull up motion look pretty fricking natural.
why did he try to make web swinging practical instead of normal things? is he stupid?
the unefited shot at :01 looks like an actual comic spiderman
yeah it is hard to translate the actual speed of spider-man swinging he is not just swinging from a rope it is a high tensioned wire that he is flinging himself through with his increased strength on top of doing acrobatics and as much as some people want practical effects there are limits to what you can and can't do espcially within a budget and safety
What about when he's standing still or walking they still fricking cgi over Holland even when he's not wearing a mocap suit lmao
Eh, Raimi used cgi for the swinging a lot of the time, too. Difference is the cinematography, really. With Raimi it looked stylish and kinetic and no other director has been able to mimick it
Pretty cool
Kino
Still the best.
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none of this is practical
this is practical and well done.
>looks like absolute shit
kek
have a nice day
no u
Making everything in CGI is fricking pointless, at that point you might as well be playing a computer game.
>"Don't use real sets or props. It's boring. It looks dumb. Don't waste your time"
This can't be real. It's like those edits where they put a bunch of morphsuit dudes in practical effects shots, right?
It would be too much work to decide what gun he should be holding or where he should be sitting before shooting.
Absolutely insane. How can they even make movies this way?
The story and script are often the last things to be completed before the real magic happens in the editing room.
>It doesn’t look good when someone is just swinging on a rope.
This homie never seen a troony gif before.
They always get the physics spot on with CGI. It must be handled by huge computers simulating real world gravity and weights and everything. Nothing to worry about. Always looks flawless.
Unless it's some jeet in his mothers basement doing it for a fiver.
For web swinging he's not wrong. Spiderman's web stretches in a way that would be dangerous to swing on. Furthermore Spiderman himself has superhuman agility to do flips and even just hold himself in a non natural pose. Add in the fact he swings hundreds of times in a movie and it's just not viable to do it practically. Practical effects should be saved for things like a character walking around and talking with their suit on instead of just green screening it on.
It's always made me wonder how James Cameron intended to make his Spider-Man movie in the 90s.
Part of me thinks the entire Harrier sequence at the end of True Lies was a proof of concept to see if he could do aerial combat around skyscrapers.