I'm thinking of either making a fan comic or just a simple fanfiction for starters. Here's the premise..
>Typical Spider-Man origin but with more human, realistic character writing
>Peter isn't le ebin psycho-genius with tech bullshit, but is instead more in line with Tobey's portrayal emotionally, intellectually and morally
>Organic webs
>Norman is an Epstein/Gates/Biden equivalent
Should I pursue fleshing this concept out? I have a lot of harbored feelings about the masonic western framework and would rather vent it out this way instead of an hero or going full Kaczynski mode on somebody
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That sounds just as bad if not worse than what Marvel puts out. have a nice day schizo
Anyone with something of substance or with any constructive criticism to uplift the premise is welcome. Ignoring anything negative or moronic
Nobody can give you constructive criticism because there is nothing to construct or criticize from your vague ass post beyond that pandering Norman description. You don't even have a story outline or an actual premise just shitty character descriptions. You made this thread to get other people to do the work for you you lazy homosexual
so just tobey. ok.
This sounds just kinda bland not gonna lie, you haven't given us any real examples of what you mean.
Like define what you mean by "realistic, more human"
Having the characters speak like real people, with deeper and more complex motivations and personalities than are typically portrayed in capeshit. Every character will feel more complicated, more layered and nuanced than their current counterpart. I'm thinking of a mixture of Spider-Man Blue, and Arkham Asylum A Serious House on Serious Earth. Layered, psychological, serious, human kind of writing. I don't really know how to explain it yet. I pretty much came up with this idea 15 minutes before posting this
>I pretty much came up with this idea 15 minutes before posting this
Well there you fricking problem how bout you sit down and actually come up with something tangible instead of sharing your daydreams with us using Into into Filmmaking talking points
The reason I shared the idea is to flesh it out with the ideas others can pitch to help me out. Trying to make it a community felt thing. I figure it's smarter to do that. To keep everyone's interests in mind from the get go. I'm not here to argue with you tho.
>flesh it out with the ideas others can pitch to help me out
>You made this thread to get other people to do the work for you you lazy homosexual
How about instead you just create your own original character inspired by Spider-man with all the concepts you just laid out in your op?
That's a good idea, but I don't want it to be another disaster like DC's Sideways
Nice Lotus reference kek. My name will sadly be in the producer credits for that if they ever release it, for the amount I donated early on. At least I'll get that nice blu-ray. And thank you for the encouraging words
just don't say the N word anon
or at least don't leave any proof behind so you don't get cancelled
but jokes aside, I wish you best luck, I know Cinemaphile is probably not the best place to post/advertise your stuff, but still I think creative people are way too cool and should just chase their passion
>Norman is an Epstein/Gates/Biden equivalent
What?
Pretty much Norman from the comics except he's an occultist sex trafficker who tries to portray himself in a more prevaricative, less obvious way. In the comics he's pretty much Lex Luthor with a Joker double-life. I'm trying to take that and innovate with more realistic circumstances
Have norman frick Gwen. You'll get co to love it.
Would probably save that for a sequel. It would make more sense to me to wait until Harry and his drug addiction, downard spiral. Harry fricking Gwen to spike Peter's heart would make way more sense
That sounds moronic
>Kept the concept vague because it's fresh plus it's easier to make a streamlined idea for the sake of conversational flow
I think you're going to need to have a more focused vision/idea.
>I was thinking of having him work for Connors, and to still have a deep interest in science. That would allow for plenty of those kinds of autistic convos to arise.
That's nice. I assume your Peter is in college(19-22)?
>I'm fully aware of all of the Osborn antics. That's why I wanted to use him in this story. Just trying to keep the comic book circumstances while dropping the comic book tone of them. So things will still play out all crazy and psychedelic and fantastical, but Norman will be a way more realistically fricked up and corrupt person
I get that but the sex trafficking shit sounds more like a punisher issue to deal with not Spiderman(imo). I suggest you have Norman operate a private merc company instead(hobo goblins(mercs), Jack o lanterns(mercs), demogoblin(Norman does some ritual to summon him), etc) the he uses to farther his ends and test out his pharmaceuticals and weapons. Have Roderick Kingsley be the ex MK ultra type guy I guess since you seem interested in that conspiracy stuff.
>I think you're going to need to have a more focused vision/idea.
That's what I meant by that. I'm keeping my portrayal of it simple here because although I have a lot of details in my head it's better to convey the overall concept and reveal small parts of it in response to people to see what others think, yknow?
>That's nice. I assume your Peter is in college(19-22)?
I was thinking of something more like 16-17. Junior/Senior year. That way he gets more of an excuse to go on the ego trip that gets Ben killed. Less mature and more to learn
>Punisher
Now this is a better idea. I don't know how that lapsed my mind. If I integreate Punisher into the story, he could deal with these issues and that would create the typical Spider-Man vs Punisher moral dilemma that shows up all the time in the comics. Have Peter focused on the surface level shit and only discover the darker aspects through Punisher and have conflict about how people should go about solving these issues.
>That sounds moronic
That's correct. I'd rather avoid it entirely, I was just entertaining his idea. Anything would be better than Norman and Gwen to me, though
As for Rodrick Kingsley, I'll look into that some more. I was thinking of just having Norman orchestrate his own MKUltra to form small-time villains and it develops into the Sinister Six, like a variation of what the Spectacular cartoon did. I think it worked really well
>I was thinking of something more like 16-17. Junior/Senior year. That way he gets more of an excuse to go on the ego trip that gets Ben killed. Less mature and more to learn
So the story is following a fresh new green spiderman. Got it.
>I don't know how that lapsed my mind. If I integreate Punisher into the story, he could deal with these issues and that would create the typical Spider-Man vs Punisher moral dilemma that shows up all the time in the comics. Have Peter focused on the surface level shit and only discover the darker aspects through Punisher and have conflict about how people should go about solving these issues.
That was kind of my thought process. Have Punisher fight spiderman cause not due to any misunderstanding but because he believes Spiderman is soft, naive, and not prepared to handle situations or the fricked up goons he deals with but have Spiderman show him that he can to some extent. And even after seeing the worse the common criminal has to offer he's still able to find the good in some people and choosing not to cross the line Frank crosses every day. Also if you have JJJ involved with the creation of the scorpion and/or the spider slayers, have Punisher gun after him to put Spiderman and Punisher in a more direct conflict.
>I was thinking of just having Norman orchestrate his own MKUltra to form small-time villains and it develops into the Sinister Six
Rodrick/real hobo goblin brainwashes people, has frick you money, has body doubles, and framed several people for being his hobo goblin Rodrick is more "in line" with the elite spooks. As for the sinister six, I'm not a big fan of them being oscorp related or brainwashed(as they would naturally have something against spiderman) but you do you I guess. Reminds me of Superior Spiderman's sinister six team.
These are great ideas believe me I'm taking notes
Sweet
>mangaverse
If he's going to have shoes at least give him sweat pants, baggy cargo pants, or cargo shorts.
just drew it from memory. thanks for reminding me about the pants
I just find pants/shorts more aesthetically appealing with shoes
That's fine. Any other story beats you have in mind?
I'll have to work it out. Writing an outline as we speak. Might make a new thread in a few days/weeks when I improve my style and flesh out the story more. So watch for that I guess. Might change the title as well, to be less obvious
>Typical Spider-Man origin but with more human, realistic character writing
Okay, but that depends on how good of a writer you are.
>Peter isn't le ebin psycho-genius with tech bullshit, but is instead more in line with Tobey's portrayal emotionally, intellectually and morally
>Organic webs
Okay but I think spiderman still needs to scientifically intellectual to some degree. This just sounds like Raimi fan fic. Maybe have Peter be situations the required him to use his knowledge of science to figure out clue or help him get an edge over his villains I guess.
>Norman is an Epstein/Gates/Biden equivalent
😐 Norman had a human organ harvesting operation while running H.A.M.M.E.R. back in Amazing Spiderman new ways to die, sold Harry's soul, help lead to Gwen's death, caused MJ to have a miscarriage, etc listen just let Norman do his own thing. Since I assume this is just for yourself, don't be arrive to have events play out differently from the norm. Now, I got to figure out a way for Peter to go to hell and have a fist fight with the devil.
>Depends on how good of a writer you are
That's fair. I have no namesake so I have a big hurdle to prove myself. I'm more than willing to take the challenge. Kept the concept vague because it's fresh plus it's easier to make a streamlined idea for the sake of conversational flow
>Okay, but I think spiderman still needs to scientifically intellectual to some degree. This just sounds like Raimi fan fic. Maybe have Peter be situations the required him to use his knowledge of science to figure out clue or help
I was thinking of having him work for Connors, and to still have a deep interest in science. That would allow for plenty of those kinds of autistic convos to arise. I'm trying to streamline the character and make him more relatable like what Stan Lee wanted while still maintaining that signature Peter Parker personality of course.
>The norman part
I'm fully aware of all of the Osborn antics. That's why I wanted to use him in this story. Just trying to keep the comic book circumstances while dropping the comic book tone of them. So things will still play out all crazy and psychedelic and fantastical, but Norman will be a way more realistically fricked up and corrupt person
Why is it called GLOW?
Nondescript nerds are a product of hollow geek culture
If you're going to be edgy and political about Spider-Man, do not b***h out and make Peter a generic soiteen
I never said anything about wanting to farmbean Peter. I want him to be more mature, and to be written with more complicated motivations and deeper conflictions. That's why I mentioned Spider-Man Blue and A Serious House on Serious Earth earlier in the thread. If you've read those, you'll know exactly what I'm trying to convey in these short, generalized posts
What's your general idea for his side characters like Harry, Flash or Mary Jane?
>Organic webs
agreed, it always seemed stupid to me that aside from Tobey-Peter, pretty much every other person gets bit by a spider yet can't produce his own webs and has to be a genius to make a high-tech wrist-device. If "ANYone can be Spider-Man", then the spider-powers should come inherently from the spider and not be already being a scientific prodigy.
Well said, anon. There was a short run in the comics once or twice with organic webbing
some shitty concept design I just pulled out of my ass
the suit here the idea is that it's pretty much just like the mangaverse one because it actually looks like a dumpster diver with no cash would make it
needs lots of work
>Ditko
Take a look at some concept art from the spiderman unlimited thread. Show was supposed to be a ditto style show before whatever the frick happen to it. Might have some useful reference.
I was going to go for a more blocky design philosophy. The logo is what is meant to be Ditko inspired, I'm sorry