Renly is fricked either way.
if he wins, some younger and more popular guy will overthrow him down the line due to the precedence he set. Anyone with an army can make a grab for the throne now. Even Aegon the Conquerer didn't do that. He kept the local nobility intact and didn't depose anyone except those he had to.
The Baratheons didn't claim the throne by right of conquest, they claimed it as the closest living relatives of the Targaryen dynasty.
And there wouldn't be a guy more popular than Renly down the line - making friends and getting the smallfolk to love him is like Renly's only skill.
But it WAS the best season.
The low budget meant they had to shoot more indoor scenes with great actors like Sean Bean giving them more dialogue and adapting closely the verbose pages of the first book.
For this reason it was obviously the season with least difference from the book.
The armours had more vibrant colors, same as the settings and the filter they used now looks a bit corny but it was miles better than the pitch black brightness of the later seasons.
And last but not least, the 10 episodes long build up to the Lannister-Stark war and the Night's Watch expedition beyond the wall felt amazing.
Unreal how good this show was in the first seasons. And what's worse is that the last seasons retroactively destroyed these too.
Season 2 already showed that the writers just can't do without inserting their own ideas, and we're lucky that for that season the biggest change was the Arya-Tywin scenes at Harrenhal. It wasn't a bad change per se, the subplot kinda worked and didn't ruin the season, but it was nevertheless a foreshadowing of the BAD changes that will come when given liberty to inept screenwriters.
I never got what fricking moral compass these characters were working off of. On the one hand everyone makes a big deal of a king's unshakeable legitimacy and Joffrey could be disposed simply because he wasn't Robert's biological son even though he had been named heir and Robert was the FIRST new non-Targ king on the throne so there was no precedent for having the throne beyond Right Makes Right, then Stannis says he is owed the throne because as the next brother in line it should go to him, but then Renly says people wouldn't like him so he should be allowed to be king, and meanwhile all the other houses aren't questioning why the Baratheons/Lannisters get to be king forever simply because Robert was the first one in the throne room when they killed the last Targ.
There's no way such a chaotic poorly defined power structure could persist. This whole setting is so dumb.
>I never got what fricking moral compass these characters were working off of.
They're not, they're working off of the desire to rule the kingdom. This is probably the easiest to understand aspect of the story.
They don't rule shit. There is no royal army, every house is totally independent and rules their own lands. The king has to beg for loans from the houses and foreign banks (lmao) to fund anything. There is zero benefit to being king of the seven kingdoms, you only have real power over your house's lands and kings landing, and the fact the first succession conflict completely broke the system apart with just the slightest amount of strain.
Being king is the worst thing you can do because all it does is make you a target of other stupid houses who are going after the crown.
Yes, but having a unified Seven Kingdoms as a political entity controlling all of Westeros south of the wall for 300 years has lead to huge leaps in development, like all the roads and shit. Even the army sizes grow larger thought the targaryen dynasty. Imagine England developing into United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, now imagine that as a continent.
>it was only that way for robert since he kept pissing away money and got cucked by lannisters
Alot of it had to do he had conspirators sabotaging him along the way. Why you think he hired Ned to be his Hand? He knew Jon Arryn killed by his enemies, so only his most loyal friend he could trust anymore.
The King will belong to a major house and therefore have major support from at least one Kingdom while the King can act in the interests of his house.
though in general without dragons, completely controlling the seven kingdoms won't be possible and being King will probably become more and more of a ceremonial and prestige thing like the emperor of the HRE which with the ending of the show having the king be voted on also reinforces the similarity.
Have you ever read about medieval Europe? Before french and English monarchies centralised their kingdoms, it worked exactly like that. And it worked like that for centuries after in Germany.
the biological son thing is moronic, you've got to admit. There were no dna test at the time, so the father was the husband of the mother and that's all.
>14 yo girls are not turbo bawds >14 yo girls in a medieval setting don't get married off
it's not even a controversial thing outside of certain twatter channels
we all were 14, I challenge any man on this board to recall the time in high school were girls were craving dick like crazy (and thus began the wiener carousel riding)
>I challenge any man on this board to recall the time in high school were girls were craving dick like crazy (and thus began the wiener carousel riding)
Never happened because it never happened with me.
Yes she was, they weren’t morons back then
They could put two and two together >boy this teenager CAN get pregnant but these teenagers and babies sure die a lot when we do that >let’s give it a couple years
>uncancellable
Martin is the regime plant. He used to gleefuly cancel people few years back.
It speaks volumes he considers the 2023 to be the worst year so far instead of covid years, because his comrades are facing massive backlash.
In 1183, Humphrey de Toron married 11 year old Isabella of Jerusalem while Saladin besieged their castle. A portion of the feast was sent out to Saladin and he in turn halted the catapults so the newlyweds could enjoy their wedding night.
>In 1183, Humphrey de Toron married 11 year old Isabella of Jerusalem while Saladin besieged their castle. A portion of the feast was sent out to Saladin and he in turn halted the catapults so the newlyweds could enjoy their wedding night.
Extremely based. This is what true kingship looks like.
I still get all warm and cozy by the fact that Stannis respected Ned so much for what he did and was even going to be lenient towards Robb because of it
>do you still think good soldiers make good kings???
Renly fricked up by throwing his name in the hat that early
he got butt drunk on bussy and let Loras influence him
>Renly fricked up by throwing his name in the hat that early
Should have take out Joff for Stannis and than usurp him.
Show would have ended if Renly just kept his mouth shut about his entitlement to the throne for just a few hours until he and Ned secured Joffrey
it was the Tyrells who pushed him.
Renly is fricked either way.
if he wins, some younger and more popular guy will overthrow him down the line due to the precedence he set. Anyone with an army can make a grab for the throne now. Even Aegon the Conquerer didn't do that. He kept the local nobility intact and didn't depose anyone except those he had to.
The Baratheons didn't claim the throne by right of conquest, they claimed it as the closest living relatives of the Targaryen dynasty.
And there wouldn't be a guy more popular than Renly down the line - making friends and getting the smallfolk to love him is like Renly's only skill.
Yeah he should have known all about the secret magical shadow assassin baby lmao
for me the best season of game of thrones is season 2 or 3
4>2>3>1
simple as
>"season 1 was the best" gays need not reply
But it WAS the best season.
The low budget meant they had to shoot more indoor scenes with great actors like Sean Bean giving them more dialogue and adapting closely the verbose pages of the first book.
For this reason it was obviously the season with least difference from the book.
The armours had more vibrant colors, same as the settings and the filter they used now looks a bit corny but it was miles better than the pitch black brightness of the later seasons.
And last but not least, the 10 episodes long build up to the Lannister-Stark war and the Night's Watch expedition beyond the wall felt amazing.
Unreal how good this show was in the first seasons. And what's worse is that the last seasons retroactively destroyed these too.
Season 2 already showed that the writers just can't do without inserting their own ideas, and we're lucky that for that season the biggest change was the Arya-Tywin scenes at Harrenhal. It wasn't a bad change per se, the subplot kinda worked and didn't ruin the season, but it was nevertheless a foreshadowing of the BAD changes that will come when given liberty to inept screenwriters.
4 is already bad.
season 1 has the best dialogs. that conservation between lord varys and eddard in the dungeon is probably the best in the entire show.
Season 1>3>2>>4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest
I never got what fricking moral compass these characters were working off of. On the one hand everyone makes a big deal of a king's unshakeable legitimacy and Joffrey could be disposed simply because he wasn't Robert's biological son even though he had been named heir and Robert was the FIRST new non-Targ king on the throne so there was no precedent for having the throne beyond Right Makes Right, then Stannis says he is owed the throne because as the next brother in line it should go to him, but then Renly says people wouldn't like him so he should be allowed to be king, and meanwhile all the other houses aren't questioning why the Baratheons/Lannisters get to be king forever simply because Robert was the first one in the throne room when they killed the last Targ.
There's no way such a chaotic poorly defined power structure could persist. This whole setting is so dumb.
>There's no way such a chaotic poorly defined power structure could persist
and yet
This is some serious Poe’s law shit right here.
>I never got what fricking moral compass these characters were working off of.
They're not, they're working off of the desire to rule the kingdom. This is probably the easiest to understand aspect of the story.
They don't rule shit. There is no royal army, every house is totally independent and rules their own lands. The king has to beg for loans from the houses and foreign banks (lmao) to fund anything. There is zero benefit to being king of the seven kingdoms, you only have real power over your house's lands and kings landing, and the fact the first succession conflict completely broke the system apart with just the slightest amount of strain.
Being king is the worst thing you can do because all it does is make you a target of other stupid houses who are going after the crown.
It's a stupid setting.
Yes, but having a unified Seven Kingdoms as a political entity controlling all of Westeros south of the wall for 300 years has lead to huge leaps in development, like all the roads and shit. Even the army sizes grow larger thought the targaryen dynasty. Imagine England developing into United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, now imagine that as a continent.
it was only that way for robert since he kept pissing away money and got cucked by lannisters
>it was only that way for robert since he kept pissing away money and got cucked by lannisters
Alot of it had to do he had conspirators sabotaging him along the way. Why you think he hired Ned to be his Hand? He knew Jon Arryn killed by his enemies, so only his most loyal friend he could trust anymore.
The King will belong to a major house and therefore have major support from at least one Kingdom while the King can act in the interests of his house.
though in general without dragons, completely controlling the seven kingdoms won't be possible and being King will probably become more and more of a ceremonial and prestige thing like the emperor of the HRE which with the ending of the show having the king be voted on also reinforces the similarity.
Have you ever read about medieval Europe? Before french and English monarchies centralised their kingdoms, it worked exactly like that. And it worked like that for centuries after in Germany.
Robert was next in line regardless due to his Targ grandmother.
the biological son thing is moronic, you've got to admit. There were no dna test at the time, so the father was the husband of the mother and that's all.
>There's no way such a chaotic poorly defined power structure could persist.
Where do you live? I'll move within the hour.
finish the fricking book george
What the frick were they thinking? Lan was supposed to be a sociopath wasn’t he?
>writes a 14 year old riding the shit out of her adult warrior husband and enjoying it
Is GRRM uncancellable?
>14 yo girls are not turbo bawds
>14 yo girls in a medieval setting don't get married off
it's not even a controversial thing outside of certain twatter channels
we all were 14, I challenge any man on this board to recall the time in high school were girls were craving dick like crazy (and thus began the wiener carousel riding)
>I challenge any man on this board to recall the time in high school were girls were craving dick like crazy (and thus began the wiener carousel riding)
Never happened because it never happened with me.
You guys know that in cases of an incredibly young bride that marriage wasn't actually consumated until much later, right?
if she was capable of bearing a child, she wasnt considered incredibly young
Yes she was, they weren’t morons back then
They could put two and two together
>boy this teenager CAN get pregnant but these teenagers and babies sure die a lot when we do that
>let’s give it a couple years
The ITS TAPE thread the other night was kino. Surprised it stayed up so long
that's how it was during ancient greece and roman empire
thats pretty much every time in history until the last 100 years or so. if you had gone through puberty you were practically considered an adult
>uncancellable
Martin is the regime plant. He used to gleefuly cancel people few years back.
It speaks volumes he considers the 2023 to be the worst year so far instead of covid years, because his comrades are facing massive backlash.
In 1183, Humphrey de Toron married 11 year old Isabella of Jerusalem while Saladin besieged their castle. A portion of the feast was sent out to Saladin and he in turn halted the catapults so the newlyweds could enjoy their wedding night.
>In 1183, Humphrey de Toron married 11 year old Isabella of Jerusalem while Saladin besieged their castle. A portion of the feast was sent out to Saladin and he in turn halted the catapults so the newlyweds could enjoy their wedding night.
Extremely based. This is what true kingship looks like.
Palestinians are bros and we are just sitting here while the israelites genocide them
I still get all warm and cozy by the fact that Stannis respected Ned so much for what he did and was even going to be lenient towards Robb because of it