Why did go from a nerdy franchise to a gay mouthpiece franchise in the recent years? And how do we fix it?
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Why did go from a nerdy franchise to a gay mouthpiece franchise in the recent years? And how do we fix it?
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Just let it die. The older fans like my dad were based but the schizos, morons, and trannies who watch the new shit are too embarrassing to be associated with.
Not even Star Wars got raped as badly as Star Trek.
We need to reclaim what was lost.
I would rather watch the studios implode. I want to see millionaires’ lives ruined, I want it in the history books that their social experiment failed and cost them dearly.
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when and if this garbage fails, be sure to not let anyone forget what they did. always mock the past and demand better from the future, else they'll be romanticized and remembered fondly in 20 years as is the norm on Hollywood.
>millionaires
This is such an outdated term now. Someone with a million dollars or two is upper middle class. It's when you reach the hundreds of millions that you begin to see the bottom rung of the elite. It's the billionaires and near-trillionaires you have to watch out for.
seriously "millionaire" at this point doesn't mean shit in the US
literally every fat pensioner who just eats shitty fast food and shops at costco has a couple million in the bank
you don't start seeing some serious quality of life improvements until mid 8 figures
I had a million by the time I finished high-school, just from working a part time job.
the part time job was OnlyFans
do you always talk in brand names?
maybe try not doing it for a day or a week.
thanks
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This. I started going to a con in Vegas back around 2003-4, but it slowly turned to shit over the years. Now I don't go
It is as you say. I think star trek by its very nature was the most susceptible show to be taken over.
A show for intelligent progressives that always considered itself on the right side of history, how were its writers supposed to accept they are the regressives now, that they are the bad guys now. Especially with all their female nerd friends that toootally love ST but think some of the episodes didn't age well.
>think some of the episodes didn't age well
“I love Star Trek, but uhh, some of those episodes? So problematic-uh!”
>yikes!
Speaking of problematic
It only adds to my amusement that I don't know if that's shooped or not.
Its not, which makes it 10x better
Then the rest of the episode happens and it turns out that the Benkarans are being treated unfairly and that's why they're in prison at a higher rate and not because they're more prone to criminal activity. Wonder what they could have meant by that?
Except in the episode they focus on two of the prisoners and they're both murderers. They both admit it. It doesn't matter if you're looked at harsher than others if you actually are doing the crimes
>occupy 10% of space
>occupy 80% of prison space
Look, I get it, it's hilarious, but these aren't the same fricking thing. "Prison space" would be a head count but the other would simply be volume of space occupied. It's really poorly written.
That’s true. Now that you mention it. That 10% could be very populous
>a people who are 10% of your total population
>individuals from that particular people are 80% of the inmates in the prisons
This is not a hard concept. They are only 10% of the population but seem to be doing 80% of the crime. It sounds familiar, you know it is
>Maybe they commit more crimes.
Tom is a fricking legend
wasn't gene a socialist that pushed for minorities in the show since the beginning?
Wokism has nothing to do with liberalism. Wokism wants only minorities, liberalism wants everyone. Wokism considers itself superior to everything else, liberalism doesn’t.
Reductionist but somehow 100% correct. Women would give you the "tribe outsider" look and angrily deny but whether subtly or not so much it always implies certain groups of people are more morally righteous than others.
It's about how you present it:
>chief engineer is a blind black man
>he is competent and important to the ship
>nobody makes it into a big thing, he is treated like everyone else, and in return he treats everyone the same way
Same goes for Uhura, Sisko, Sulu, Chekov (imagine having a russian steering the future space ship in 1968 and not really bringing any attention to it), and everyone else really. Star Trek managed to be diverse without being in your face, and it's called having some fricking class.
IIRC they also had some native americans in traditional clothing in the Enterprise once (I think it was in the first movie) and it's somewhat odd
TOS/TNG knew we'd get there someday. Woke is desperate to make sure we get there tomorrow.
Taking a break for a decade would probably be best. The current manic hysteria is Hollywood taints everything.
For all intents and purposes, intersectional feminism and gay pride are the new state religion among the upper middle class and academics in the West. Even people who don't actually believe in the state religion will feel peer pressured to at least pay lip service to it, perform all the proper rites and offer sacrifices. Hence the entire state of modern Western entertainment. Just as bards, writers and performers of previous ages were expected to adhere to Christian values, they are now expected to adhere to gay and feminist values.
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I'm noticing a rather large number of star trek threads, I dont like this feeling. So what's going on?
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Chuds have been crying about the current golden age of Star Trek for a decade where Paramount would literally do six shows at the same time but are now spooked that WB will take control and stuff the whole thing into a vault because they don't need another space IP after Dune and Babylon 5. Basically they monkey pawed this shit so hard they don't even know who to be mad at and the grifters that have been leading them by the nose can't even sell them on the idea that Trek getting put on ice for 15 years is fun times for everybody because nobody is going to be doing Trek films for a good while after the merger so welcome to the desert you all wanted so bad. Hope you enjoy the VR web shorts WB will finally produce in 2035.
>golden age of Star Trek
So golden that it never turned a profit and forced its parent company to sell itself.
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>star trek could possibly die
Thank goodness, finally! I'd much prefer a dead trek over pozzed trek amy day of the week.
Trek has always been pozzed you goober.
You don't get six shows out of something not doing well for you smart guy.
>always been pozzed
Sure, and at least it had some good stories. Anything after ent, absolute garbage fire, not 1 memorable episode.
Dude Strange New Worlds has more memorable episodes in it right now than all four seasons of ENT.
Mad? I'm glad to see "fans" getting what they want. Nothing until they're balding old men literally tithing their neetbucks to AI Produced Fan films.
>Dude Strange New Worlds has more memorable episodes in it right now than all four seasons of ENT
I won’t consume your TOS reboot. You already tried it once back in 2009. Come up with something new.
Seasom 2 flopped worse than Ahsoka, by the way.
> Seasom 2 (of SNW) flopped worse than Ahsoka!!!
By making the Nielsen Top 10 Streaming Originals -- for 7 weeks. More failure like that, and the show might not get a third season.
For 7 weeks? Oh wow!
You’re telling me this shit couldn’t even consistently stay in Top 10 originals while it was airing? And I thought Ahsoka was bad!
> 7 weeks out of 10 is bad!!!
Oh, dear.
How many streaming originals were airing new episodes in the same period again? It’s impressive that it managed to drop out three times, but the show is horrible and overproduced so maybe not really.
Zaslav will fix this mess, hopefully.
Oh, sorry. I was just reading the USAToday list of the 10 Best TV Series of 2023. Did you say something?
>I'm reading a list that some theater kid says is the best shows on tv. Its on a website and everything!
>imagine getting recognized so rarely that you have to screenshot it every time it happens
lmao. Not that it matters either way. NuTrek never turned a profit and it never turned a profit because no one is watching.
Oh Gail you’re so silly when you don’t take the nice doctors medicine
Why is Paramount selling itself to Warner Bros? Is it their reward for their staggering success with NuTrek and Halo?
For money
Can't wait for Zaslav to shitcan this worthless frick
Huh? Oh, was looking at the RT list of the Top Rated Series of 2023. Go ahead. Now you have our undivided attention.
Then why is no one watching?
The imaginary people in your head?
>ENT
Doubt.
I have a soft spot for ENT.
"Nothing" is better than what's being produced right now
>You don't get six shows…
Oh no, not anymore. The streaming bubble is bursting and interest rates are rising. But not that long ago, they would give a show to literally anyone along with infinite resources. And that’s why NuTrek shows are irredeemable garbage that exist only to stroke the egos of their creators and to prop up a failing streaming service that will go down as a case study on sunk cost fallacy.
>no one wants to watch our shows? make more!
> hAvinG mOre = GoOd
lol, lmao even. what is quality of quantity
>You don't get six shows out of something not doing well
You do, its why they're near bankruptcy and looking at a last ditch effort with WBD to try and survive. Its the streaming model and the race for content on the assumption you'll make it up later. Disney has been very vocal about it recently.
Yeah, we're learning how much of streaming was a zero interest rate phenomenon. Netflix and Amazon shitting out dozens of terrible series should have been a warning that something was off.
How is success measured today?
Social media engagement and buzz
Amount of Sarah Gadon in leading roles
Die mad about it McMahan you fricking thumb
>Babylon 5
It's going to sucking gigantic donkey dick because JMS needs tard wrangling. Left to his own devices he makes shit like Sense8
They're waiting til JMS kicks it. If he can't get the B5 reboot out the door they will do it without him.
Me too!
All I want for Christmas is for Lower Decks S5 to get written off by Zaslav 🙂
>Why did go from a nerdy franchise to a gay mouthpiece franchise in the recent years?
All the old guard who cared about writing good shows retired. So all that replaced them were homosexuals and women from younger generations who brought along all their bullshit. It stopped being about imagining a better universe and all the interesting things we'd find out there, and instead became about turning that interesting universe into the bullshit we have here right now
These people who are writing Star Trek don't get it. They don't understand what Star Trek is suppose to be. They only care about turning it into something else entirely. The Orville is more accurate to Star Trek than any recent Star Trek show is, which is incredibly telling
Imagine being a NuTrek actor in that moment
>the nutrek staff having to smile at the cameras and act like they aren't bothered that absolutely nobody at the convention gives a frick about them
Factual.
Rare posting Geezer here. This post is the truth. Outside of some SNW and half of Picard S3 it's became a vehicle for hacks.
>gay mouthpiece
Go watch TNG or DS9. It's been woke for a very long time. And nerds have always been spiritual gay hags.
The problem is that while it was written by red-diaper baby israelites in the ones you probably enjoy (TOS-DS9, maybe VOY and ENT), it was written by nerdy guys that genuinely loved the science fiction and proposing interesting thought experiments, like Darmok.
Now it's written by talentless broads with no love for the genre, who can't write some interesting thought experiment about the Planet of the Weirdos without solipsisticly inserting some grating girlboss.
Will he fix Star Trek and make it into wholesome family entertainment again?
BASED Zaslav is going to cancel the entirety of NuTrek and personally throw our local thumb poster out into the street
He won’t make it worse.
Insecure fans talking loudly about how Star Trek was good because of "Gene's vision" and having "diverse casting" for the 60's, and other such patter, and other people then showing up to the party and thinking that was the core of what Star Trek was.
Star Trek was always really about the adventures, the military LARP, the naval style battles, the "man's man" characters who you wish were you, and the female eye candy.
Nerds who are already insecure about liking a corny sci-fi franchise from the 60's a little too much, will fight you to not have to admit to that though.
>Nooo! It's bigger than that! Gene was a visionary, because said racism was bad in an era when everyone was saying racism was bad! It's important!
Course it is, Melvin.
And 7 of 9 is important because she wears a cat suit, and needs a software engineer to teach her what sex is. I understand.
My grandfather watched trek die.
My father watched trek die.
I just wish that when it was my turn to watch trek die it was a better quality of trek, like my father had, and his father before him.
You vill have nozhing
Nerds and queers are both used to being shunned by normal society. Thing is, they are inherently opposite in their interests. Nerds like to get invested in their hobbies as escapism. They like to engage with an interest on its terms. They learn all of the little bits of lore that they can, argue about the gaps, etc. It's inherently masculine and that's why the most famous nerd interests were overwhelmingly male.
Queers on the other hand are often inherently feminine. They seek to project themselves upon their interests. They will queerwash characters, create OCs that are queer in the same way they are (gay, lesbian, bi, Trans, etc). Their interests become identical to their other interests (i.e. their sexuality).
Nerds also are divided between those who demand credibility (the dreaded "gatekeepers") and those who empathize with others looking for friends. The latter, in their compassion, let queers quite literally queer up the many IPs that Nerds were into. However, what is more important than them is that nerds were never in control of their interests. It was the companies that produce their interests that invited queers and hired queers and hired radicals who took over on the creative level.
Here is the thing about nerds though: they are more than run-of-the-mill consumers. They will circle the tapes. They will torrent media. They will rip things off into legally distinct ways of continuing their hobby. And most importantly: nerds learn about and remember the tiniest minutiae of the farthest reaches of their hobbies.
good post
Meds
have a nice day bud
See. That’s an objectively mentally Iill comment. I’ve caught you red handed you buffoon
Not like this bros...
adios switch
One of the most succinct posts on our media landscape for the past 10 or so years
You talk like a gay and his shits all moronic
as a queer nerd I would like to say that whether someone is queer or a nerd or not is absolutely irrelevant to personality or how they might behave or how they might choose to do something.
They can’t comprehend concepts like this. They sexually roleplay with eachother and then claim only extremely effeminate lispy men are gay. They’re deeply closeted homosexuals
this place is depressingly stupid now
Indeed. When people try to discuss the state of modern Trek honestly, the best "this place" can muster is vague posting and a sucking void where an argument, point, or topical observation should be.
"why" did you put quotes around the this place?
star trek is dead, an anon posted a solid explanation for what happened some days ago - something was bought or sold, people changed, it died, and was resurrected as a mess and has been on the downhill ever since.
same was done to dr. who - long dead since the 80s, then brought back only to desecrate its corpse by filling it with every abomination they can rake out of hell's hearth.
>"why" did you put quotes around the this place?
Because it was a quote.
that doesn't make any sense "a" t all
You'll just have to take my word for it. If I try to explain that two plus two equals four to a dog, the dog will be as confused as you are, and not because of the explanation or the veracity of the statement. If something this simple "doesn't make any sense" for you, there's nothing I can write in a 4chins reply to help you out.
"you" did it again, but this time the quotes were around "doesn't make any sense" instead, why?
maybe you have a virus on your computer if you don't know why it is happening and you can phone tech support so they can help you fix it.
i don't think they can help you with your other problems thought, lol!
Who is "they?"
See
NTA, but every homosexual I've ever met has basically acted like a homosexual. The extremely performative limp wristing and the drama mongering and the obnoxious personality, all of it. I've only ever seen the reserved just-a-normal-guy homosexual in Hollywood films, but I've seen the stereotypical obnoxious homosexual dozens of times.
The answer is in the question. If there are gay men who act normal you wouldn’t have known you encountered a gay man. You’re literally mentally moronic my guy
"They exist, you just didn't see it, but I just know they do!"
If you say so. Sounds like the same sort of logic I hear from morons who believe in big foot, aliens, and gays who are able to go an entire conversation without making sure you know they're gay. The other possibility is that you're acting exactly as I describe, but so dense you don't realize how you appear to others. You sashay over and "heeeeeeeey" and think you're behaving normally.
Maybe that would make for a good Trek episode. The Federation has a holo-disguised duck blind set up to observe the native population, but the disguise has never worked, and the natives can see them plain as day. But the officers inside the duck blind are oblivious, and refuse to believe that they're plainly visible no matter how many times Barclay warns them.
You literally have schizophrenia
Literally literally? You're literally literalling? You've let this website destroy your ability to communicate like a human being. You're unable to form sentences or communicate ideas without gay meme phrasing and barely reworded posts you've seen here over nine thousand times.
>i-is that a small number of simple sentences?
>oh god its a novel!
This is one of the many, many reasons that modern Trek can't succeed - modern audiences have the attention span of a gnat, and their general intelligence is even worse than that. If you wanted modern Trek to succeed, you would have to chop it up into a tiktok video, have Spock rap, and play it exclusively on phones.
>Literally literally? You're literally literalling? You've let this website destroy your ability to communicate like a human being. You're unable to form sentences or communicate ideas without gay meme phrasing and barely reworded posts you've seen here over nine thousand times!!!!
Mfw
>exact quote, but with extra ! added
You people are so strange.
"oh you think I just write mindless meme responses huh well here how about this mindless meme response!"
This latest batch of tablet zoomers and reddit refugees is just insufferable.
>This is one of the many, many reasons that modern Trek can't succeed
Woketard cope
>Writes a novel about closeted gay men
Yeah this is projection
hehehe
same goes for vegans and israelites, they are compelled to tell you they are one as fast as they possibly can
You’re a deeply closeted gay man
On the one hand you are correct that I am deeply closeted. On the other hand I am not gay.
Being a "nerd" became mainstream and cool
when gay gen x ers and millenials grew up
all i remember from star trek as a kid is that it seemed like a twilight zone rip off where the characters are forced into some bizarro world moral dilemma that they have to solve and each of the characters had some rigid role to fill in the arguments. I wondered how my dad could watch something like this. is modern star trek still just a bunch of moral conundrums in space being solved by the enterprise crew?
Open mindedness is a virtue if tempered by good sense and critical thinking. And that was always at the center of Trek, and generically liberal thinking in general. But somewhere it mutated and flanderized into simply "open mindedness is a virtue" and became something dull and stupid. The people who have subverted Trek and used it to compel you to pretend that men are women are exactly the sort of person warned against when Picard is asked to say there are five lights. There is great psychological value in forcing a person to say untrue things that they know aren't true.
Elab
Put down your tablet and speak in complete sentences.
Don't watch it, don't spend money on it, just torrent the old shows and movies and don't pay anyone a cent because Gene is dead
>open tab
>check /Star Trek/
>closeted homosexuals writing fanfiction about how gays work even though actual gays itt
>20something newfriends calling oldgays zoomer reddit refugees
>no one is talking about Klingon tax policy
>good containment thread
>close tab
>actual gays itt
No kidding, never could have known from the way you act, you're a regular changeling...
What the hell is this thread
/trek/ is at an impasse
Pakleds and lonely people pretending to be Pakleds.
Which captain crossed the Rubicon? I say it was Jean-Luc Picard in 'Conspiracy'.
Sisko when he asked omnipotent god creatures to solve a season long conflict with a deus ex machina
government turned all the nerds into gay autists
I would not be surprised if CBS makes more money off of TOS-ENT to this day than it makes from Nü-Trek.
That's the problem with these streaming shows. Anything new is competing against the already existing, better shows.
>six shows over six years
>less episodes than tng
>three of the shows have ended/are ending, the company is about to get bought out
kek
bravo
They've been looking to sell for years. The smaller studios need to Voltron or die to compete with Disney/Fox.