his profressional, uptight starfleet demeanor was something women wanted to break, to get under the surface and find out who the real picard is.
whereas men admire him for his stoicism. the other anon is just gay.
>when the rest of the cast got their first cheques for TNG they went out and bought new cars and houses >Patrick Stewart went out and bought a hot meal at the churro stand where he has been working before he was hired for Star Trek
He was a poor casting choice for Gurney Halleck (if you ask me) although him charging into battle against the Harkonnen forces with a pug in his arms will always be a slice of pure kino.
>He was a poor casting choice for Gurney Halleck (if you ask me)
So the story goes, he was mistaken for another actor also named Patrick Stewart and hired sight unseen. But hey,a paycheck is a paycheck.
>Yes, this alien society that didn't have the capability to establish even a rudimentary colony on another planet and in fact was at a level of technology equivalent to 1840s on earth was somehow able to create a magic space probe that could exist autonomously in space for thousands of years and recognize when sentient beings space ships were passing by it which would cause the probe's AI to pursue them and beam and imprint memories about the species directly onto the brain of someone inside the space ship utilizing technology that even advanced species don't have >oh wow captain, that sounds like they were an amazingly advanced species that was on the cusp of becoming a galactic powerhouse. How did their civilization look? How did they live? What wonderous lessons did they teach you? >Well, they lived and acted like cacausian european suburbanites that didn't have to worry or deal with minorities nor an oppressive billionaire capitalist class >Wow, so exactly like every other civilization we encounter? >yes, quite so. I did learn the flute though.
I don't think the NPC quantity world work since you could easily simulate crowds.
There'd probably be an advanced Turing-Test but for Ontology to see how authentic you could simulate reality and not tell that you're in a simulation.
The goal would be to at least make a simulation of reality as believably real as reality (and you'd test it on different species like Vulcans and Betazoids and such to see if you can fool them too).
That would be the essence and bar of the Holodeck: a reality replacer.
Let's think of all the natural limits that need to be taken into account: >NPC complexity >NMC count >Environmental complexity >Interpretive comprehension (ie: understanding of parameters)
>tldr a temporary computer upgrade made the holdecks characters way more real
5 months ago
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I guess you could also say later on Moriarty did the same. If I recall the holodeck again started drawing much more computer power.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If it's good enough to Deceive Riker, then either Rom has some catching-up to do or Quark dumped a whole lot of latinum to beat out the Holodeck
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>I'd say that testing should have 1,3 and design capacity (whatever the room can safely hold).
I was always confused at why so limited?
I'd want to see 100 vs 100 Battlefield FPS matches on that rig.
It's a question of "can you fall in love with a holo simulated character".
Minuet was a character so real that Riker fell in love with her
The Enterprise holodeck is softcore nude scenes in artsy movies like viewing nude paintings in museums.
Quark’s is a database of every sketchy Bajoran comfort woman casting couch video smuggled out of the occupation. He advertises smut that even the Orion syndicate would find in poor taste.
Literally every scene in that bar, every time Miles is complaining about Keiko to Bashir, there’s like three dudes in the holosuites above them getting pegged and milked by vulcan love slaves. Think about that.
Quark's was really gross when you think about it. A disgusting dive bar built in the equivalent of a floating concentration camp patronised by filthy alien space truckers with gambling and peep shows and almost certainly after hours space wiener fights run by a turbo israelite/Arab with family members who sell arms and probably also traffic slaves.
It says a lot about the federation that they not only tolerated the business but actually came to befriend Quark.
Sanctuary cities, record homelessness, the rich getting richer as the poor paychecks not keeping up with massive inflation. I could easily see an equivalent to the bell riots this year. Have you seen the news how they say the US avoided a recession, but totally ignore the record homelessness?
How did DS9 get this so right even down to the year?
Homelessness was a big issue at the time they wrote that episode as well, it was a warning about what might happen if people didn't handle the problem correctly.
Sisko only went there to sell space fentanyl. Bashir is Indian so he was delighted to be able to shit on the street without judgement. Dax got to prostitute herself out to not Bill Gates like the prostitute that she is. Everybody is happy.
New records will happen every year after this one so the current records mean nothing save things are shit
They don't indicate a milestone or inflection point
DS9 had overall better production quality and tighter writing most of the time but TNG has more soul. They had really nailed the formula by the time DS9 came out.
Both are good, but if I pick TNG as the clear winner.
The reason are DS9 has some significant cons that hurt it in my opinion
1. too dark
- I understand there was a war and such, but even in such dark settings there are ways to show optimism. They even had a good setup for that with the Cardassian war and O'Brien. I mean think of how scary you could make the Federation to find out they could win the war in minutes but put their ideals so high that the war lasted for years. Some would think them stupid, but others would be inspired to keep the moral high ground.
2. they really messed up with how they did religion
- don't get me wrong for most of the time it was well done, and I even cite it on how to do things well. But how they wrapped up the Emissary things was really dumb and broke everything they had been building to.
3. the drama between DS9 and Babylon 5
-this was clearly planned out from B5 hard work and key selections were made to undercut B5, thus we ended up with a worse B5 and DS9 was limited to hit those targets making both shows worse. It sets a bad precedence when we have good SciFi fighting like that.
4. Dominion was a surprise?
- How the heck do you not find out about a power that big? Specifically given long range scanning is Starfleet's superpower compared to other fleets, even forcing the Romulans to upgrade their clocking tech. That one passing line about them not wanting to be seen is not cutting it given how the things went down and this was before they had changeling infiltrators.
If anything, I think DS9's episodic structure hurts it in the long run and takes away from the stakes, the tension and the drama. But its character dynamics, the central conflict at hand and the depth it is presented in, its main cast and the darker, critical take on Star Trek and its philosophical maxims makes it a hell of a show. And though it has a lot of parallels with B5, some which are really hard to ignore, both shows share a similar premise and go about it in different ways, as well as focus on different artistic pursuits and all similarities between them go away as soon as you dive deeper. They're surfaced level, if anything.
It far more the surface level, B5 was trying to sell the idea to Paramount. Paramount dragged the deal on for a long time asking lots of questions before waking away. When Warner Brothers picked up B5 Paramount had DS9 ready to go and specifically pulled lots of tactics to stop B5.
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DS9 was largely episodic starting out as that was the normal thing for shows at the time, B5 was a big pioneer for long running structures. But B5 also had more episodic starting out as the both first seasons were built as inductions, so they were more about individual or small scale things to build the setting. People point to it as a weakness but often fail to understand it helps make the later stuff much better as you have gotten to know them before things happened.
As for the darker take, well lots of kids had grown up on Star Trek but now wanted a more adult Star Trek. So yea, it was well received. But I argue that such fan service cost the franchise far more in the long run as we see with how later works were handled. Things started to lose coherency. One day lecturing on morals the next day breaking all the rules then lecturing on morals next episode, it started tearing itself apart as it forgot what it was as it tried to be what everyone wanted instead. That was one reason why I really liked B5, it had the darker tone but none of the happy baggage Star Trek had, which was all the more crazy given how much restraint and hope was shown in B5.
I do agree that they did go about it in different ways, but large beat points from B5 hurt DS9 as self inflected wounds. One big one was how the USS Defiant and White Star had basically the same induction timing which was much later in the show. The Defiant messed with the whole power balance when there were countless other ways to save the day besides a new class of battle ship getting induced, but that was required based on the B5 structure.
I don't mind the first season being the introductory chapter in both shows, I just think Babylon 5 had a better idea when JMS thought of applying a novelesque structure on a TV format and it shows as soon as season 2 because Babylon 5 really picks up and there's a big sense of urgency in the show. It's also much better at being dramatic, you can even take season 1 as a great example of that with the episodes introducing the Shadows and showing us there's more at play than is initially evident, also closes the seasons with much more dramatic flare that adds to the weight of the events and what is currently happening in the show's universe as things progress and the pieces fall into place. In contrast, DS9's final episode in season 1 lacks the drama, and I've found that aspect of the show lacking in comparison. Which is weird since DS9 is usually great when it gets dramatic, the pilot is certainly better at setting everything up and at selling the premise, changing the tone and communicating to the viewer this isn't TNG nor TOS, this is something new and different and I think DS9's plan to escape some of Star Trek's rules by making the station under Bajoran possession and having the Federation merely there as a supervisor to ensure that Cardassians respected the peace treaty and that Bajor could recover lends to a lot of interesting moments, especially when it comes at tearing apart and questioning Federation's beliefs and examining them through a wide array of different, often contrasting and contentious perspectives, and that's the show's biggest strength.
As for your comment regarding DS9 mirroring B5, taking plot cues and structuring itself accordingly being self inflected wounds, that may be so in certain regards, most would argue later on in the show, but I don't mind it that much and think the show successfully forges an identity of its own.
Funny I saw the start of DS9 completely differently. The humanitarian aid to Bajor with the Bajorans fearing one occupier replacing another. So I was expecting them to play with slightly darker tones given the talk and advertisements, but more from the scared Bajorans then slowly build trust while showing the optimism of the TNG and TOS. Similar to how I expected Enterprise to build up to TOS ideals. They would have room to play with some darker tones by way of it being an alien frontier outpost where such norms are yet established or in Enterprise case a prequel. But by the end it would show how the optimism wins. So all the major problems would ultimately just be trust issues with no real villein, or at least harassing Cardassians much like the Klingon or Romulan have done before. Of course I was wrong and the show just got much darker and went into full scale war story
Then they had the Runabouts as a way to mix in a planet of the week like TOS and TNG did. Which really didn't make sense to me. I would have used stories from passing ships as a easy way to pull in all kinds of stories, if that was what they were doing. Years later I found out more about how the Runabouts worked and it made a lot more sense, but it still distracted from the whole space station thing as they didn't interact much when you stopped and thought about it. Also that alien AI thing that O'Brian kept as a pet was basically never mentioned again yet could have been so useful. ...
I do agree they successfully forge their own identities and are both good shows, but think they would have both been better if they hadn't fought like they did. My personal issue is I don't know where to put DS9. It a good show by itself, but to me it lacks something that Star Trek should have while also not going as far as B5. Which is why when I start comparing it to other good shows it doesn't look as good, not because it is a bad show but because the other shows are better. If that makes sense
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Makes total sense and I see where you're coming from.
With early DS9, I think the core issue was that the Bajorans weren't especially compelling as an engine for drama. Worst-case, Bajor might kick the Federation out of DS9, and the S2 opening three-parter shot the show's wad on that issue. For as dark as it became, DS9 was still Star Trek enough that the Federation would never be like "The Wormhole is too strategically valuable, so we're staying put." Bajor's internal politics weren't developed enough to make that a source of drama, like with Sisko having to play various factions off each other to keep shit stable. There were always clearly defined white hats and black hats. Kai Winn could be a fun antagonist, but she was always the uncomplicated bad guy to Shakaar's uncomplicated good guy. By contrast, Dukat got a stretch where the show toyed with rehabilitating him, and Ziyal as the good Cardie was almost cheerfully oblivious to her father's excesses.
Is Cinemaphile still supporting SNW? I watched an ep where the dyke latina kept backtacking Spock (her commanding officer) without punishment and I turned it off.
>work in the enterprise as an ensign >my uniform is yellow, I don't know what that means but I play along >I was a assigned a roommate even though the spaceship is mostly empty rooms >roommate is an Vulcan aspie who over analyzes every move I do and won't shut the frick up about "logic" like no one else uses it >scared to go to the counselor because she's a Betazoid and will read my depraved thoughts about raping her ass >been a long shift, I want to go to the holodeck to play video games and simulate raping Diana's ass >holodeck is not working, that creepy android took over the ship again by himself and is keeping life support to a minimum >why is "he" even allowed on a starship? >at least the gravity module is still working >oh well, better go to sleep until the captain solves this mistery of the week
>ask GPT4 to roleplay as the TNG bridge crew with extreme realism >tell it I just want a comfy procedural episode with no big drama unless I indicate otherwise >tell it I'm just a random ensign at the helm (Data is next to me) >it does a shockingly good job of writing Picard, Data, and Worf >we encounter a space anomaly >it's behaving erratically and emitting tachyon particles >Picard tells me to reduce speed >oh frick oh frick what's an appropriate speed >we were supposed to be going warp 6 >no no I'm fricking stupid that was just to arrive at the system, we're in the system now >okay so, quarter impulse?? >things go on line normal >they're discussing what kind of probe to send >they tell me to keep scanning the anomaly and report even minor fluctuations >start getting nervous >what if I frick up >it's literally my first day >suddenly feel myself surrounded by people way more competent than me >i'm a fraud >i don't even know how to scan >everything I can think of to say is like 5 words and then Data brutally mogs me by doing it better >can somehow sense Worf thinks I'm blowing it >try to keep up >say something awkward >it has a typo in it >everybody just ignores me and goes around it >Captain has to tell me what I'm supposed to be doing a second time >abort simulation abort simulation
>nobody watches movies anymore things like that fell out of fashion >*makes hologram of sex slaves to have an orgy with inside a room that has produced multiple verified sentient beings thus being cannonically and irrefutably a rapist*
Odo is so lovely when he's engaging in humanoid activities such as just enjoying music. DS9 does a really good job with taking the time off from all the drama and present political tensions to do a bit of character development and to just give the viewers a wholesome, low stakes episode that showcases the character dynamics and has them just hanging out.
that DS9 episode about racism in the 1930's was unwatchable. the only trek episode I ever felt I had to skip
DS9 used to be my favorite series overall until I realized it was all just a subpar ripoff of Babylon 5. now Enterprise S3 is my favorite.
The one where it introduces the writer thing? Yeah, I agree. Only my second trek so I expceted a bit of preachyness but it felt less respectful of the issue and more like a "DO YOU REMEMBER...." kinda thing. I also disliked the implication of the writer being connected to Sisko, would have made everything happening so much less impactful if they kept going with that after finding the Emissary's stone. (Still watching, at S7E4 so I don't know if they bring that stupid shit up again.
On the topic, will the show ever give me reason to warm up to Ezri Dax? Jadzia was one of my favorites so I'm not really keen on her.
I liked Star Trek Prodigy. It didn't have the in-your-face diversity, equity, and inclusion of Discovery. And it has my second favorite captain after Picard.
I finished S2E8 "A Matter of Honor" last night. I really enjoy the Klingons being goofy space barbarians (reminds me of Batarians in Mass Effect) and Riker had some great scenes.
Krogans are a warrior race but never appear to be outright antagonistic, especially since they are focused on survival after the Genophage. Klingons are very warlike and proud people and appear to seek conflict.
Krogans were that once, too. But I guess you'd accept a comparison with Mandalorians at the height of the power when they waged war on the Republic before Revan defeated them.
>go to big scary Cinemaphile to engage with Trekkies >some schizos but actual discussion is possible >go to Twitter, mainstream social media to engage with Trekkies >it's all trans Spock and gay shipping, drawing characters in thongs etc
How come this supposedly shithole stays closer to canon and is generally more normal than twitter? Sure, people are horny here too but it's not in the same insufferable and weird way. I go on lefty twitter and reddit and it's as if we've watched two completely different shows (speaking of TOS mainly)
Because the gate keeping the worst people out are basic racism and sexism. Since you have to deal with it, you get a premium experience of discussing the actual merits of the show.
because the Cinemaphile trekkies are the outcasts of this godforsaken website, you're basically sitting at the nerd table right now, and all around you are children flinging mashed potatoes yelling the n word at the top of their lungs.
We’re very edgy nazis here anon. Gas the bikes and so on
Something I really don’t understand is that most of them are biological women (they/thems, ftm). What do these people get out of drawing Spock as flamboyant, with a vegana/trans or other completely degrading stuff like thongs etc? What is the sexual appeal of this for a non-homosexual male? I am also bio female but my reading of the character is that he’s ultra-masculine - ie not driven by emotions, lust, practices self control etc, which is what I find appealing about him. Do lefties get off to this stuff or what? And it just goes on, endless tweets about gay sex and trans characters who show no signs of being trans. It’s just… weird, and has nothing to do with the show(s).
Or it's simply they want their favorite media to more correspond to their sentiments and preferences, so they project things onto them that aren't necessarily there.
because the Cinemaphile trekkies are the outcasts of this godforsaken website, you're basically sitting at the nerd table right now, and all around you are children flinging mashed potatoes yelling the n word at the top of their lungs.
Perhaps it has something to do with the character limit and the nature of most Twitter posts, that being they're not meant to be informative, insightful or particularly well thought-out, but rather focus on the sensationalist, attention grabbing way of construction and that results in plethora of hot takes or posts that are usually not given much thought, but simply look like something that the user in particular thought of haphazardly and thought it would be a good idea to post it.
Have you engaged with the YT analyses of Trek media and were they better suited to your tastes than the Twitter posts you seem to abhor?
I went on youtube but the biggest trekkie youtuber seems to be that trans person, who also seems to be into spirk/twitter stuff. I did find an old video by Cinemassacre where he and some friends discuss ST 5, which was fun. If you have any Trek youtubers you'd recommend, go ahead 🙂
Stop, immediately desist anon, you wont find anybody and you'll just be disappointed. Cinemaphile is the closest you'll ever get to discussing the show and not a complete homosexualry of it.
Unfortunately, I've only seen the first three DS9 seasons and haven't engaged with any YTers covering ST media so I can't give you any recommendations, but I'm sure if you dig through various videos that you'll find something worthwhile on YT. If not, check old blogs, articles regarding your favorite pieces of ST media or simply read essays and academical papers on the topic. It's what I did with Babylon 5.
And suppose you want to talk to them or have some sort of dialogue about them, what then, just watch the fricking shows some more?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Go visit the wiki then you fricking nerd.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Well, if that's your answer, why are you here?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon, I'm here to discuss some of trek and kill time mostly. I dont watch youtube nerds talking about the show and I dont visit the website. I just rewatch the shows and talk to a few friends about the show and here occasionally.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You said you haven’t even finished DS9. What do you have to talk about?
No one cares about useless likes, followers or shares here so you just say what's on your mind. No matter how stupid or crazy. Makes the discussions hone in on stuff normies ignore due to it being not accepted things to discuss.
TNG and BR2047 were the only legacy sequels to be worthy of the original and not quick cashgrabs. So in 99.9% of cases the cynicism is warranted.
The Next Generation is one of few examples of "This really should not work but somehow it does". I'd throw Majora's Mask in there too.
Hey guys I'm trying to find a voyager episode where tuvok is for some reason reliving memories or something and he's on a previous generation starship and I believe janeway is watching him or helping him somehow, i wanna say some OS cast was in the episode too.
Thanks in advance
Not sure what this has to do with Star Trek but I've had some insights into social work and my take is that it works and is good if you live in a homogeneous white country. Anyone can end up needing help sometime in their lives, perhaps after a nasty divorce or an injury. For the system not to be abused, it requires that the entire country works as one unit and has the same ethical/moral views; it has to be seen as shameful to live on gibs. The Nordics are a good example of this, it used to work, but now everythings collapsing due to immigrants abusing the system.
> Tarkalean tea was served in the bar on Deep Space Station K-7 during the 23rd century. Upon being informed that the station's bar did not serve Raktajino, Odo ordered a Tarkalean tea. (DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations")
How the frick does Quark not serve Bajoran coffee? Aren’t replicators supposed to be able to make virtually anything?
Fair enough, I’m the moron. I forgot that it was a silly time travel tribals episode. I accept my discommendation and humbly request a severe beating with pain sticks set to max
I never understood why accepting discommendation is dishonorable. Owning up to your frickups is the most honorable things you could do. Discommendation should only be done perforce to an unrepentant transgressor.
When I think about star trek, I think about the first borg encounter.
That scene was so heavy. You really felt the existential threat for humans.
I frequently think about it. Maybe I should rewatch TNG. It's only been a few years.
I never watched anything like it, after that.
Star Trek The Next Next Generation
Captain Rene Picard (not dead frick movieshit)
Commander Nog
Captain's Assistant Naomi Wildman
Science Officer Mezoti
Molly and Yoshi O'Brien (engineering)
Lt Nodad Sisko
Security Chief Alexander Roschenko (real one, not some weirdly aged pussy)
Counsellor Ezri Dax
Ensign Kim
>Ensign Kim is a Casey Ryback copy who never rises in rank but is a killing machine kept under control by Janeway >I'm just an ensign *decapitates 10 Kazon in two seconds*
5 months ago
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>What happens as soon as aliens steal Chadsign Kim.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you gotta understand that there is a static number of crew on Voyager, some ensigns will remain ensigns, because officers need to have a superior rank than others.
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>Anyone seen Dukat? Anyone know why Dukat fricked Kira's mom? >Who used to play parrises squares? That was you? Tough guy huh? >I offer one thousand strips of latinum for that phaser and commbadge! >Get him, painsticks!
NATIMA: Then how could you have betrayed me?
QUARK: I didn't betray you.
NATIMA: Don't lie to me, Quark. I know better. You used my personal access codes to authorise payments for goods you never provided.
QUARK: So I took a little money from the Cardassian Communication Service. They could afford it.
NATIMA: You stole that money.
QUARK: I saw a chance for profit and I took it. Maybe that was wrong. I don't know. But what I really regret is betraying your trust. That was the worst mistake of my life.
>Dr. Crusher is gone for the beginning (?) of S2 >Have Dr. Pulaski as her replacement >Infect her in S2E7 with a virus that rapidly ages her, causing her essentially sacrifice herself the help people >Thought she was actually going to die because she was just introduced and they didn't want to asspull the ending with Crusher instead >lol no silly we can teleport people's bad genes out of them with the replicator!
Dr. Pulaski was probably the most mishandled character of that era. They had no idea what to do with her and the actress had little chemistry with the main cast. They tried to set up a rivalry for her and Data but she just came off as a c**t to him for no reason. And then they tried to give her a friendship with Worf but by then it was too little too late. At least with Beverly they could use her being a mother as a plot point and character motivation.
I was fine with her not really vibing with everyone else, it made her seem like Picard but with an even more extreme professionalism. I havent finished S2 yet but they could have easily killed her off in the aging episode, especially since they have already mentioned reuniting Wesley with Beverly later on.
I actually liked how against Data she was on a personal level, showing her biases and stuff but she was needlessly cruel to him. Its like kicking a puppy that everyone loves.
Exactly. They could have given her a backstory like an android had taken her job or killed a loved one. In her first episode she basically calls Data a hunk of scrapmetal when he's just trying to help Troi give birth. And there could have been more scenes where they were forced to work together and understand each other better.
They knew exactly what they were doing with Pulaski. She was abrasive, but warmed up overtime. She was rude to Data at first but overtime became am advocate for him. Also her friendship with Worf was because he was the only cast member that didn't mercilessly bully her.
>a franchise that hasn't been good in 20+ years >every subsequent release shits on and degrades it further >the only thing worth discussing is 30 year old episodes that have already been analyzed to death
What is the point of these threads?
New people are discovering the classics all the time. Especially now in the streaming era when every episode and movie is at one's fingertips.
It's also worth discussing how the episodes have aged and how younger viewers feel about them.
You can tell it's not Chatgpt by the poor syntax >the classics all the time
It should be: >New people are discovering Classic Trek every day, especially now, in the streaming era, when every episode and movie is available at one's fingertips.
True. It was always so and so it shall always be. I'm quite happy to have discovered Babylon 5 by listening to an interview with Chris Avellone regarding Kotor II and him naming it as one of the game's key influences.
>thousands of officers in starfleet >cardis primary threat to peace in 2 quadrants >ranking officers on the boarder are 2 random Black commanders
Ds9 suckkks
Federation Economics
1. Mammonism derives its power from interest on loans.
2. The way to cure Mammonism is by abolishing interest on loans.
3. The Federation’s real wealth consists not in any material assets but in the productivity of its people.
4. The obligation to pay interest on public debt was ended and the Federation abolished all direct and indirect taxes and funds itself entirely on the revenues from state-owned industries.
5. Interest-payments are the reason why a state cannot do without taxes; those receiving the largest sums of interest pay relatively little in taxes.
6. Comparison of the affluent bondholder, the working-class bondholder, and the dependent bondholder. Expansion of social welfare for the dependent bondholder after cancellation of interest.
7. Instead of repaying the principal of bonds under cancellation of interest the Fedeartion simply declared the bonds to be currency.
8. For other fixed-interest assets, including mortgages, repayment under cancellation of interest is recommended. This has solved the housing problem.
9. A history of opposition to interest-slavery.
a. Curtailment and prohibition of interest before the 22nd century.
b. Enshrinement of interest under the developing global order during the 22nd century.
c. Cancellation of interest will dissolve the interest-community within the Federation and enables its member worlds to unite against the latinum International.
In real life we are experiencing (I would say) existential challenges to the human condition in the form of social media and screen time exploiting our visual and social centers of our brain, causing weird dopamine issues; as well as whatever effects of microplastics etc. Just as we keep discovering new effects on the actual human condition, it's easy to speculate on hypothetical or allegorical modifications to the human condition to be explored in sci-fi. I don't know if Trek is the right platform for it, but there might be some life in the old gal yet.
tons of stuff to do, and better visual tech to make it look good, but the writers are all a bunch of commie gays dedicated to pushing a 21st century message rather than a 23rd century one.
Star Trek has become mired in its own lore. Now every new movie and show has to be bout established politics between the Federation, Klingons, etc. Star Trek was best when its setting was fast and loose. Voyager was probably the last real Star Trek show when they explored new worlds and encountered new civilizations. DS9 and ENT were trapped in their own settings.
Does anyone else think that Patrick Stewart is hot?
go to bed Mike
neaux
No
Mr. Clean is kind of hot. He’s really ripped in the commercials
The rumors are he is into ethnic cleansing... be careful with that one.
We ain't found shit!
No, but Nimoy thought...
What did he think?
no nobody else thinks that
that's why he's playing the main character in a popular franchise
My mum thinks he's way better looking than Shatner in his prime, dunno if that means she thinks he's hot though
Also I remember some gays in a ST documentary splooshing their bussies over him
Cool dudes wear a jacket. Would you frick me? I'd frick me.
I feel like they are two different types of handsome. Difficult to directly compare against each other.
Also, tell your mum I'm willing to shave my head for her.
Plenty of ladies fancy him, he's not the type of guy that other men think is hot though.
his profressional, uptight starfleet demeanor was something women wanted to break, to get under the surface and find out who the real picard is.
whereas men admire him for his stoicism. the other anon is just gay.
Watching the race episode of Voyager right now. Don't love this show exactly but this episode is pretty comfy.
I think voyager is comfy you just have to accept the corniness.
Tom Paris is literally me. I need one of the jackets from this 'sode with a scorpion embroidered on the back.
Voyager takes way longer to get good than other series you're in that part of the show now
There will be stinkers later tho
Clownman is the first good VOY episode
Great 'sode. You're right.
But, Caretaker, Eye of the Needle, The Cloud, Jetrel, The 37's and Lifesigns are all good. Also Twisted and Learning Curve are very good.
Not forgetting murderhobo kino
yeh. that too
>ahem. your honour. my client pleads the 'possessed by the alien ghost of jack the ripper' defence
Clownman
Come together your band
Scare me
I'm terrified of your plan
That's one of my all-time favorite Trek episodes. Enjoy
>Patrick Stewart was 28 when the first season of TNG was filmed
he was 47 actually
Imagine being 47 thinking your acting career is almost over and then BOOM, you get one of the best gigs of all time.
this gives me some hope. not as an actor, but as someone who needs a break. perhaps we are going to make it.
Samuel L. Jackson was also 40+ when he got his big break.
Some actors just don't work as good when they're young
wil wheaton is 51
Wil seems so much more like a millenial than gen x. The gen x guys I looked up to growing up act more like the RLM dudes.
he was 19 actually
He was 17, you sick frick.
>when the rest of the cast got their first cheques for TNG they went out and bought new cars and houses
>Patrick Stewart went out and bought a hot meal at the churro stand where he has been working before he was hired for Star Trek
to be in Star Wars, Dune, Star Trek and X Men is quite something.
He was Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, too.
He was a poor casting choice for Gurney Halleck (if you ask me) although him charging into battle against the Harkonnen forces with a pug in his arms will always be a slice of pure kino.
>He was a poor casting choice for Gurney Halleck (if you ask me)
So the story goes, he was mistaken for another actor also named Patrick Stewart and hired sight unseen. But hey,a paycheck is a paycheck.
he's not in Star Wars
He should be
Canonically they're in the JJverse. So they're all the same thing
That´s an alterate realitly, not the mainstream one.
Why did they have him play that stupid flute?
Nice bait, here is your reply.
What flute?
Skin flute?
>so you were part of their culture for what? 20 or 30 years? Did you pick up any skills?
>I learned how to play a song on a flute
>wow, good for you!
>Yes, this alien society that didn't have the capability to establish even a rudimentary colony on another planet and in fact was at a level of technology equivalent to 1840s on earth was somehow able to create a magic space probe that could exist autonomously in space for thousands of years and recognize when sentient beings space ships were passing by it which would cause the probe's AI to pursue them and beam and imprint memories about the species directly onto the brain of someone inside the space ship utilizing technology that even advanced species don't have
>oh wow captain, that sounds like they were an amazingly advanced species that was on the cusp of becoming a galactic powerhouse. How did their civilization look? How did they live? What wonderous lessons did they teach you?
>Well, they lived and acted like cacausian european suburbanites that didn't have to worry or deal with minorities nor an oppressive billionaire capitalist class
>Wow, so exactly like every other civilization we encounter?
>yes, quite so. I did learn the flute though.
has anybody ever made an edit of him with a turban and snake charming?
I'm amazed that Quark's Holosuites are more powerful than the Holodeck.
How does one gauge the power of a holodeck? Resolution? Number of simultaneous npcs? Serious questions
Some random Lower Decks Behind-the-Scenes in the works brought it up. It's not done yet, so I don't know the name.
I don't think the NPC quantity world work since you could easily simulate crowds.
There'd probably be an advanced Turing-Test but for Ontology to see how authentic you could simulate reality and not tell that you're in a simulation.
The goal would be to at least make a simulation of reality as believably real as reality (and you'd test it on different species like Vulcans and Betazoids and such to see if you can fool them too).
That would be the essence and bar of the Holodeck: a reality replacer.
Let's think of all the natural limits that need to be taken into account:
>NPC complexity
>NMC count
>Environmental complexity
>Interpretive comprehension (ie: understanding of parameters)
I'd add collective verisimilitude.
Maybe it'll work on at least 1 PC in the simulation, but what about 2, 3 or n+1?
I'd say that testing should have 1,3 and design capacity (whatever the room can safely hold).
What's the Minuet test? I tried searching, but I, obviously, got music-related search results.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Minuet?so=search
>tldr a temporary computer upgrade made the holdecks characters way more real
I guess you could also say later on Moriarty did the same. If I recall the holodeck again started drawing much more computer power.
If it's good enough to Deceive Riker, then either Rom has some catching-up to do or Quark dumped a whole lot of latinum to beat out the Holodeck
>I'd say that testing should have 1,3 and design capacity (whatever the room can safely hold).
I was always confused at why so limited?
I'd want to see 100 vs 100 Battlefield FPS matches on that rig.
It's a question of "can you fall in love with a holo simulated character".
Minuet was a character so real that Riker fell in love with her
The Minuet test.
I question the validity of that test as Riker was a giant horndog.
The Enterprise holodeck is softcore nude scenes in artsy movies like viewing nude paintings in museums.
Quark’s is a database of every sketchy Bajoran comfort woman casting couch video smuggled out of the occupation. He advertises smut that even the Orion syndicate would find in poor taste.
Literally every scene in that bar, every time Miles is complaining about Keiko to Bashir, there’s like three dudes in the holosuites above them getting pegged and milked by vulcan love slaves. Think about that.
Quark's was really gross when you think about it. A disgusting dive bar built in the equivalent of a floating concentration camp patronised by filthy alien space truckers with gambling and peep shows and almost certainly after hours space wiener fights run by a turbo israelite/Arab with family members who sell arms and probably also traffic slaves.
It says a lot about the federation that they not only tolerated the business but actually came to befriend Quark.
How did DS9 get this so right even down to the year?
how?
Sanctuary cities, record homelessness, the rich getting richer as the poor paychecks not keeping up with massive inflation. I could easily see an equivalent to the bell riots this year. Have you seen the news how they say the US avoided a recession, but totally ignore the record homelessness?
Yep looks like we are going to need a nuclear war to clean up the place as happened in the star trek timeline.
Homelessness was a big issue at the time they wrote that episode as well, it was a warning about what might happen if people didn't handle the problem correctly.
>Largest population
>Most homeless fellas
Crazy
lol the government in that episode provided way more bennies to the homeless even before sisko showed up than ours ever would
Sisko only went there to sell space fentanyl. Bashir is Indian so he was delighted to be able to shit on the street without judgement. Dax got to prostitute herself out to not Bill Gates like the prostitute that she is. Everybody is happy.
For me it’s Voyager visits SoCal
>"Do you support a ceasefire? Answer me."
>not until every last Bajoran is dead, problem solved
because LA has always been a shithole
New records will happen every year after this one so the current records mean nothing save things are shit
They don't indicate a milestone or inflection point
alright lets settle this Black folk
TNG vs DS9 which reigns supreme
DS9 for me.
DS9 easy
Both.
tng no contest. dropped ds9 after s01
Sorry about your terminally poor taste.
enjoy your charisma vacuums
DS9 is what gave Worf charisma in the first place.
I thought it was when he killed Duras.
correct
Was Worf a diversity hire?
Go on. I'd like to hear an argument for this. The "Worf Effect" could be seen as an example (IE: new alien beats up Worf to show how strong they are).
how do you like your space gaza strip euphemism shoved down your throat?
t. moron
Dumbass.
DS9 had overall better production quality and tighter writing most of the time but TNG has more soul. They had really nailed the formula by the time DS9 came out.
Objectively DS9 is better, personally I love TNG more
Both are good, but if I pick TNG as the clear winner.
The reason are DS9 has some significant cons that hurt it in my opinion
1. too dark
- I understand there was a war and such, but even in such dark settings there are ways to show optimism. They even had a good setup for that with the Cardassian war and O'Brien. I mean think of how scary you could make the Federation to find out they could win the war in minutes but put their ideals so high that the war lasted for years. Some would think them stupid, but others would be inspired to keep the moral high ground.
2. they really messed up with how they did religion
- don't get me wrong for most of the time it was well done, and I even cite it on how to do things well. But how they wrapped up the Emissary things was really dumb and broke everything they had been building to.
3. the drama between DS9 and Babylon 5
-this was clearly planned out from B5 hard work and key selections were made to undercut B5, thus we ended up with a worse B5 and DS9 was limited to hit those targets making both shows worse. It sets a bad precedence when we have good SciFi fighting like that.
4. Dominion was a surprise?
- How the heck do you not find out about a power that big? Specifically given long range scanning is Starfleet's superpower compared to other fleets, even forcing the Romulans to upgrade their clocking tech. That one passing line about them not wanting to be seen is not cutting it given how the things went down and this was before they had changeling infiltrators.
If anything, I think DS9's episodic structure hurts it in the long run and takes away from the stakes, the tension and the drama. But its character dynamics, the central conflict at hand and the depth it is presented in, its main cast and the darker, critical take on Star Trek and its philosophical maxims makes it a hell of a show. And though it has a lot of parallels with B5, some which are really hard to ignore, both shows share a similar premise and go about it in different ways, as well as focus on different artistic pursuits and all similarities between them go away as soon as you dive deeper. They're surfaced level, if anything.
It far more the surface level, B5 was trying to sell the idea to Paramount. Paramount dragged the deal on for a long time asking lots of questions before waking away. When Warner Brothers picked up B5 Paramount had DS9 ready to go and specifically pulled lots of tactics to stop B5.
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DS9 was largely episodic starting out as that was the normal thing for shows at the time, B5 was a big pioneer for long running structures. But B5 also had more episodic starting out as the both first seasons were built as inductions, so they were more about individual or small scale things to build the setting. People point to it as a weakness but often fail to understand it helps make the later stuff much better as you have gotten to know them before things happened.
As for the darker take, well lots of kids had grown up on Star Trek but now wanted a more adult Star Trek. So yea, it was well received. But I argue that such fan service cost the franchise far more in the long run as we see with how later works were handled. Things started to lose coherency. One day lecturing on morals the next day breaking all the rules then lecturing on morals next episode, it started tearing itself apart as it forgot what it was as it tried to be what everyone wanted instead. That was one reason why I really liked B5, it had the darker tone but none of the happy baggage Star Trek had, which was all the more crazy given how much restraint and hope was shown in B5.
I do agree that they did go about it in different ways, but large beat points from B5 hurt DS9 as self inflected wounds. One big one was how the USS Defiant and White Star had basically the same induction timing which was much later in the show. The Defiant messed with the whole power balance when there were countless other ways to save the day besides a new class of battle ship getting induced, but that was required based on the B5 structure.
I don't mind the first season being the introductory chapter in both shows, I just think Babylon 5 had a better idea when JMS thought of applying a novelesque structure on a TV format and it shows as soon as season 2 because Babylon 5 really picks up and there's a big sense of urgency in the show. It's also much better at being dramatic, you can even take season 1 as a great example of that with the episodes introducing the Shadows and showing us there's more at play than is initially evident, also closes the seasons with much more dramatic flare that adds to the weight of the events and what is currently happening in the show's universe as things progress and the pieces fall into place. In contrast, DS9's final episode in season 1 lacks the drama, and I've found that aspect of the show lacking in comparison. Which is weird since DS9 is usually great when it gets dramatic, the pilot is certainly better at setting everything up and at selling the premise, changing the tone and communicating to the viewer this isn't TNG nor TOS, this is something new and different and I think DS9's plan to escape some of Star Trek's rules by making the station under Bajoran possession and having the Federation merely there as a supervisor to ensure that Cardassians respected the peace treaty and that Bajor could recover lends to a lot of interesting moments, especially when it comes at tearing apart and questioning Federation's beliefs and examining them through a wide array of different, often contrasting and contentious perspectives, and that's the show's biggest strength.
As for your comment regarding DS9 mirroring B5, taking plot cues and structuring itself accordingly being self inflected wounds, that may be so in certain regards, most would argue later on in the show, but I don't mind it that much and think the show successfully forges an identity of its own.
Funny I saw the start of DS9 completely differently. The humanitarian aid to Bajor with the Bajorans fearing one occupier replacing another. So I was expecting them to play with slightly darker tones given the talk and advertisements, but more from the scared Bajorans then slowly build trust while showing the optimism of the TNG and TOS. Similar to how I expected Enterprise to build up to TOS ideals. They would have room to play with some darker tones by way of it being an alien frontier outpost where such norms are yet established or in Enterprise case a prequel. But by the end it would show how the optimism wins. So all the major problems would ultimately just be trust issues with no real villein, or at least harassing Cardassians much like the Klingon or Romulan have done before. Of course I was wrong and the show just got much darker and went into full scale war story
Then they had the Runabouts as a way to mix in a planet of the week like TOS and TNG did. Which really didn't make sense to me. I would have used stories from passing ships as a easy way to pull in all kinds of stories, if that was what they were doing. Years later I found out more about how the Runabouts worked and it made a lot more sense, but it still distracted from the whole space station thing as they didn't interact much when you stopped and thought about it. Also that alien AI thing that O'Brian kept as a pet was basically never mentioned again yet could have been so useful. ...
I do agree they successfully forge their own identities and are both good shows, but think they would have both been better if they hadn't fought like they did. My personal issue is I don't know where to put DS9. It a good show by itself, but to me it lacks something that Star Trek should have while also not going as far as B5. Which is why when I start comparing it to other good shows it doesn't look as good, not because it is a bad show but because the other shows are better. If that makes sense
Makes total sense and I see where you're coming from.
With early DS9, I think the core issue was that the Bajorans weren't especially compelling as an engine for drama. Worst-case, Bajor might kick the Federation out of DS9, and the S2 opening three-parter shot the show's wad on that issue. For as dark as it became, DS9 was still Star Trek enough that the Federation would never be like "The Wormhole is too strategically valuable, so we're staying put." Bajor's internal politics weren't developed enough to make that a source of drama, like with Sisko having to play various factions off each other to keep shit stable. There were always clearly defined white hats and black hats. Kai Winn could be a fun antagonist, but she was always the uncomplicated bad guy to Shakaar's uncomplicated good guy. By contrast, Dukat got a stretch where the show toyed with rehabilitating him, and Ziyal as the good Cardie was almost cheerfully oblivious to her father's excesses.
we dont use the Black person word here. DS9 overall, TNG higher peaks
Black person, we sure do use that word here. Dont like it? Go be like a Black person and hang around!
DS9
That's like comparing pizza and hamburgers.
I like the crew on TNG, but I like the cast of DS9 so much more.
I like DS9 more but TNG is the one I liked to rewatch more.
Deep space nine has better character writing.
>better character writing.
Name one(1)
Maihar'du
Garak is an interesting character with how a lot of his backstory is revealed through some of his half truths and stories.
what back story? he's just a plain, simple tailor.
and child molester
oh come on, that was a very handsome cardassian boy he fondled!
yes i know
Is Cinemaphile still supporting SNW? I watched an ep where the dyke latina kept backtacking Spock (her commanding officer) without punishment and I turned it off.
I heard Boimler is in SNW. Is that true?
One episode.
sneedposting in a trek thread.
>known associates: Krinn of Vulcan, Joe of Earth
Fricking Joe. Every damn time
>work in the enterprise as an ensign
>my uniform is yellow, I don't know what that means but I play along
>I was a assigned a roommate even though the spaceship is mostly empty rooms
>roommate is an Vulcan aspie who over analyzes every move I do and won't shut the frick up about "logic" like no one else uses it
>scared to go to the counselor because she's a Betazoid and will read my depraved thoughts about raping her ass
>been a long shift, I want to go to the holodeck to play video games and simulate raping Diana's ass
>holodeck is not working, that creepy android took over the ship again by himself and is keeping life support to a minimum
>why is "he" even allowed on a starship?
>at least the gravity module is still working
>oh well, better go to sleep until the captain solves this mistery of the week
Damn the CGI effects really sucked back then.
>ask GPT4 to roleplay as the TNG bridge crew with extreme realism
>tell it I just want a comfy procedural episode with no big drama unless I indicate otherwise
>tell it I'm just a random ensign at the helm (Data is next to me)
>it does a shockingly good job of writing Picard, Data, and Worf
>we encounter a space anomaly
>it's behaving erratically and emitting tachyon particles
>Picard tells me to reduce speed
>oh frick oh frick what's an appropriate speed
>we were supposed to be going warp 6
>no no I'm fricking stupid that was just to arrive at the system, we're in the system now
>okay so, quarter impulse??
>things go on line normal
>they're discussing what kind of probe to send
>they tell me to keep scanning the anomaly and report even minor fluctuations
>start getting nervous
>what if I frick up
>it's literally my first day
>suddenly feel myself surrounded by people way more competent than me
>i'm a fraud
>i don't even know how to scan
>everything I can think of to say is like 5 words and then Data brutally mogs me by doing it better
>can somehow sense Worf thinks I'm blowing it
>try to keep up
>say something awkward
>it has a typo in it
>everybody just ignores me and goes around it
>Captain has to tell me what I'm supposed to be doing a second time
>abort simulation abort simulation
kek, please share a screenshot
Use text to speech and wire it into a VR TNG simulation. That'll get your blood pumping.
>nobody watches movies anymore things like that fell out of fashion
>*makes hologram of sex slaves to have an orgy with inside a room that has produced multiple verified sentient beings thus being cannonically and irrefutably a rapist*
Is the 'Warp' concept even viable in rl?
What's holding us back from giving this a real go?
We will most likely develop holodecks first and then humanity is finished
There´s the Alcuberre drive, that aparently doesn´t require all the energy in the universe to work.
A trek… to the stars…
>It's time to put an end to your warp travel to other star systems
But Q are you not too on your very own sort of trek to and amongst the starry regions of the cosmos?
STAR TREKIN
ACROSS THE UNIVERSE
ALWAYS GOING FORWARD
STILL CANT FIND REVERSE
Odo is so lovely when he's engaging in humanoid activities such as just enjoying music. DS9 does a really good job with taking the time off from all the drama and present political tensions to do a bit of character development and to just give the viewers a wholesome, low stakes episode that showcases the character dynamics and has them just hanging out.
Also, happy Peldor joi, guys.
It's been a long road.....
Yeah baby, polarize that hull plating, you know you want to.
Why are vulcans so degenerate?
I can't captain. Theta radiation from a subspace singularity has lead to a phase invariance in the plasma-warp converters.
May I suggest a broad spectrum bombardment with tachyon particles?
>STANDING TAAAAAAALLL!!!
Voyager was not that bad, I don't get the insane how for it.
It was a comfy adventure.
that DS9 episode about racism in the 1930's was unwatchable. the only trek episode I ever felt I had to skip
DS9 used to be my favorite series overall until I realized it was all just a subpar ripoff of Babylon 5. now Enterprise S3 is my favorite.
The one where it introduces the writer thing? Yeah, I agree. Only my second trek so I expceted a bit of preachyness but it felt less respectful of the issue and more like a "DO YOU REMEMBER...." kinda thing. I also disliked the implication of the writer being connected to Sisko, would have made everything happening so much less impactful if they kept going with that after finding the Emissary's stone. (Still watching, at S7E4 so I don't know if they bring that stupid shit up again.
On the topic, will the show ever give me reason to warm up to Ezri Dax? Jadzia was one of my favorites so I'm not really keen on her.
Bashir really grows on you after s1.
Didn't he marry Nana Visitor? Lucky bastard.
Most fungal infections do.
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for me it's captain nicole davidoff
wow, shes super cute!
Check out the warp nacelles on that one
I got my own tripcode wrong like a jackass.
Never change.
I liked Star Trek Prodigy. It didn't have the in-your-face diversity, equity, and inclusion of Discovery. And it has my second favorite captain after Picard.
If anything Prodigy has the most diverse crew.
I think that anon was refering to was not going full on bullhorn "see how diverse". They just are, a group formed by chance.
Star Trek is for nerds
For me its
Dune>star trek>>>star wars
For me it's UC Gundam > Trek > Farscape > Mass Effect > Star Wars
Never pegged you for a gundam fan BF, have you ever tried Dune? It's pretty good.
Hope you've seen Thunderbolt.
>Name yourself after a homosexual doctor
>Like toy commercials tv show
Anon please stop posting, this is too depressing...
Guess he really took "get the hell off our land" seriously
I finished S2E8 "A Matter of Honor" last night. I really enjoy the Klingons being goofy space barbarians (reminds me of Batarians in Mass Effect) and Riker had some great scenes.
They're more like Krogans, even face a similar arc.
Krogans are a warrior race but never appear to be outright antagonistic, especially since they are focused on survival after the Genophage. Klingons are very warlike and proud people and appear to seek conflict.
Krogans were that once, too. But I guess you'd accept a comparison with Mandalorians at the height of the power when they waged war on the Republic before Revan defeated them.
Thankfully I am not a Star Wars fan.
It's the first truly great episode of TNG in my opinion
>go to big scary Cinemaphile to engage with Trekkies
>some schizos but actual discussion is possible
>go to Twitter, mainstream social media to engage with Trekkies
>it's all trans Spock and gay shipping, drawing characters in thongs etc
How come this supposedly shithole stays closer to canon and is generally more normal than twitter? Sure, people are horny here too but it's not in the same insufferable and weird way. I go on lefty twitter and reddit and it's as if we've watched two completely different shows (speaking of TOS mainly)
We’re very edgy nazis here anon. Gas the bikes and so on
Because the gate keeping the worst people out are basic racism and sexism. Since you have to deal with it, you get a premium experience of discussing the actual merits of the show.
Something I really don’t understand is that most of them are biological women (they/thems, ftm). What do these people get out of drawing Spock as flamboyant, with a vegana/trans or other completely degrading stuff like thongs etc? What is the sexual appeal of this for a non-homosexual male? I am also bio female but my reading of the character is that he’s ultra-masculine - ie not driven by emotions, lust, practices self control etc, which is what I find appealing about him. Do lefties get off to this stuff or what? And it just goes on, endless tweets about gay sex and trans characters who show no signs of being trans. It’s just… weird, and has nothing to do with the show(s).
It's all they have, they do not want equality they want total control. They had equality and it's never enough.
they believe it is counter culture to be very gay and endorse all things homo.
Or it's simply they want their favorite media to more correspond to their sentiments and preferences, so they project things onto them that aren't necessarily there.
yeah theres that too, Cinemaphile does that also.
Why are you bringing that filth here? This is a respectable Star Trek thread. Also:
>I fricked your mom
>Women and troonies just think about sex
Shocking
because the Cinemaphile trekkies are the outcasts of this godforsaken website, you're basically sitting at the nerd table right now, and all around you are children flinging mashed potatoes yelling the n word at the top of their lungs.
Perhaps it has something to do with the character limit and the nature of most Twitter posts, that being they're not meant to be informative, insightful or particularly well thought-out, but rather focus on the sensationalist, attention grabbing way of construction and that results in plethora of hot takes or posts that are usually not given much thought, but simply look like something that the user in particular thought of haphazardly and thought it would be a good idea to post it.
Have you engaged with the YT analyses of Trek media and were they better suited to your tastes than the Twitter posts you seem to abhor?
I went on youtube but the biggest trekkie youtuber seems to be that trans person, who also seems to be into spirk/twitter stuff. I did find an old video by Cinemassacre where he and some friends discuss ST 5, which was fun. If you have any Trek youtubers you'd recommend, go ahead 🙂
Stop, immediately desist anon, you wont find anybody and you'll just be disappointed. Cinemaphile is the closest you'll ever get to discussing the show and not a complete homosexualry of it.
Incredibly based, I kneel for your youtube hatred.
Unfortunately, I've only seen the first three DS9 seasons and haven't engaged with any YTers covering ST media so I can't give you any recommendations, but I'm sure if you dig through various videos that you'll find something worthwhile on YT. If not, check old blogs, articles regarding your favorite pieces of ST media or simply read essays and academical papers on the topic. It's what I did with Babylon 5.
Or, y’know, just watch the fricking shows
And suppose you want to talk to them or have some sort of dialogue about them, what then, just watch the fricking shows some more?
Go visit the wiki then you fricking nerd.
Well, if that's your answer, why are you here?
Not that anon, I'm here to discuss some of trek and kill time mostly. I dont watch youtube nerds talking about the show and I dont visit the website. I just rewatch the shows and talk to a few friends about the show and here occasionally.
You said you haven’t even finished DS9. What do you have to talk about?
The first three seasons that I've seen, duh.
Ragaholic has some decent Deep Space Nine videos.
No one cares about useless likes, followers or shares here so you just say what's on your mind. No matter how stupid or crazy. Makes the discussions hone in on stuff normies ignore due to it being not accepted things to discuss.
>she says "You can't fly through the neutral zone!"
>and I say "oh? no?" and all her clothes fall off.
Can we break the cycle?
>LeVar Burton
>The New Spock
Wtf
So Data must be the new Kirk.
TNG and BR2047 were the only legacy sequels to be worthy of the original and not quick cashgrabs. So in 99.9% of cases the cynicism is warranted.
The Next Generation is one of few examples of "This really should not work but somehow it does". I'd throw Majora's Mask in there too.
>BR2047
2 years off
Hey guys I'm trying to find a voyager episode where tuvok is for some reason reliving memories or something and he's on a previous generation starship and I believe janeway is watching him or helping him somehow, i wanna say some OS cast was in the episode too.
Thanks in advance
Flashback is the episode title. Sulu is in it.
Doing the lords work anon thanks
Season 3 episode 2.
>posts the liberal pov for 2020
Take a break from the internet for awhile anon.
Not sure what this has to do with Star Trek but I've had some insights into social work and my take is that it works and is good if you live in a homogeneous white country. Anyone can end up needing help sometime in their lives, perhaps after a nasty divorce or an injury. For the system not to be abused, it requires that the entire country works as one unit and has the same ethical/moral views; it has to be seen as shameful to live on gibs. The Nordics are a good example of this, it used to work, but now everythings collapsing due to immigrants abusing the system.
>automated personnel unit 0001 awaiting instructions
How do you respond?
>REM 10 PRINT "CHUCK"
>10 PRINT "SNEED"
>20 GOTO 10
>engineering unit Bel’anna Torres
>what is feed and seed?
>Chuck it!
OH N-
What do you think Tarkalean tea tastes like?
> Tarkalean tea was served in the bar on Deep Space Station K-7 during the 23rd century. Upon being informed that the station's bar did not serve Raktajino, Odo ordered a Tarkalean tea. (DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations")
How the frick does Quark not serve Bajoran coffee? Aren’t replicators supposed to be able to make virtually anything?
Why would Quark have anything to do with Deep Space Station K-7?
Fair enough, I’m the moron. I forgot that it was a silly time travel tribals episode. I accept my discommendation and humbly request a severe beating with pain sticks set to max
I never understood why accepting discommendation is dishonorable. Owning up to your frickups is the most honorable things you could do. Discommendation should only be done perforce to an unrepentant transgressor.
It wasn’t even Worf’s frickups if I remember correctly but those his father was (unjustly) accused of. Those Klingons man
Raktajino is Klingon, not Bajoran
But the fact remains that characters order it from the replicators practically every fricking episode
*tribbles
Crank them up to 11
When I think about star trek, I think about the first borg encounter.
That scene was so heavy. You really felt the existential threat for humans.
I frequently think about it. Maybe I should rewatch TNG. It's only been a few years.
I never watched anything like it, after that.
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They need to make a Star Trek movie. Set it after Voyager. Pretend STD never happened. Keep Kurtzmann and JJ out of it.
No, no they really don’t. Picard provides clear evidence of this. They’re all too old
Star Trek The Next Next Generation
Captain Rene Picard (not dead frick movieshit)
Commander Nog
Captain's Assistant Naomi Wildman
Science Officer Mezoti
Molly and Yoshi O'Brien (engineering)
Lt Nodad Sisko
Security Chief Alexander Roschenko (real one, not some weirdly aged pussy)
Counsellor Ezri Dax
Ensign Kim
>Ensign Kim
>Kim the unkillable
I'd want that lucky asiatic on my ship.
why is the doctor on the bridge?
>Ensign Kim is a Casey Ryback copy who never rises in rank but is a killing machine kept under control by Janeway
>I'm just an ensign *decapitates 10 Kazon in two seconds*
>What happens as soon as aliens steal Chadsign Kim.
you gotta understand that there is a static number of crew on Voyager, some ensigns will remain ensigns, because officers need to have a superior rank than others.
>Anyone seen Dukat? Anyone know why Dukat fricked Kira's mom?
>Who used to play parrises squares? That was you? Tough guy huh?
>I offer one thousand strips of latinum for that phaser and commbadge!
>Get him, painsticks!
>Captain Rene Picard (not dead frick movieshit)
He never to go to space. Feels so bad.
the voyager enterprise crossover movie trilogy could fix everything
While I agree.....You're about 15 years too late for that unfortunately. Picard Season 3 is the best we will get.
DS9 is awesome. my girlfriend loves to watch it while i suck on her wiener
NATIMA: Then how could you have betrayed me?
QUARK: I didn't betray you.
NATIMA: Don't lie to me, Quark. I know better. You used my personal access codes to authorise payments for goods you never provided.
QUARK: So I took a little money from the Cardassian Communication Service. They could afford it.
NATIMA: You stole that money.
QUARK: I saw a chance for profit and I took it. Maybe that was wrong. I don't know. But what I really regret is betraying your trust. That was the worst mistake of my life.
>Dr. Crusher is gone for the beginning (?) of S2
>Have Dr. Pulaski as her replacement
>Infect her in S2E7 with a virus that rapidly ages her, causing her essentially sacrifice herself the help people
>Thought she was actually going to die because she was just introduced and they didn't want to asspull the ending with Crusher instead
>lol no silly we can teleport people's bad genes out of them with the replicator!
Dr. Pulaski was probably the most mishandled character of that era. They had no idea what to do with her and the actress had little chemistry with the main cast. They tried to set up a rivalry for her and Data but she just came off as a c**t to him for no reason. And then they tried to give her a friendship with Worf but by then it was too little too late. At least with Beverly they could use her being a mother as a plot point and character motivation.
pulaski has more memorable scenes than crusher
I was fine with her not really vibing with everyone else, it made her seem like Picard but with an even more extreme professionalism. I havent finished S2 yet but they could have easily killed her off in the aging episode, especially since they have already mentioned reuniting Wesley with Beverly later on.
I actually liked how against Data she was on a personal level, showing her biases and stuff but she was needlessly cruel to him. Its like kicking a puppy that everyone loves.
Exactly. They could have given her a backstory like an android had taken her job or killed a loved one. In her first episode she basically calls Data a hunk of scrapmetal when he's just trying to help Troi give birth. And there could have been more scenes where they were forced to work together and understand each other better.
They knew exactly what they were doing with Pulaski. She was abrasive, but warmed up overtime. She was rude to Data at first but overtime became am advocate for him. Also her friendship with Worf was because he was the only cast member that didn't mercilessly bully her.
EMH is what Data should have been
>be ds9
>bring back all the tos klingons
>its a lame ass jadiza episode
ds9 fricking sucks
>a franchise that hasn't been good in 20+ years
>every subsequent release shits on and degrades it further
>the only thing worth discussing is 30 year old episodes that have already been analyzed to death
What is the point of these threads?
New people are discovering the classics all the time. Especially now in the streaming era when every episode and movie is at one's fingertips.
It's also worth discussing how the episodes have aged and how younger viewers feel about them.
Hello ChatGPT
I'm no AI! Let me prove it: Black person
You can tell it's not Chatgpt by the poor syntax
>the classics all the time
It should be:
>New people are discovering Classic Trek every day, especially now, in the streaming era, when every episode and movie is available at one's fingertips.
tell a joke about women
I always listen to my dad's dating advice:
>Marry 'em young, raise 'em up right
What do you tell a woman with a black eye?
>Nothing, You've already told her once.
I'm a little comma-happy. Still is okay to do.
verifiably not chatgpt.
i too am comma-happy when i write.
Commas, hyphenated-words; and excessive semicolon use are my big 3 problems
Which characters would you like to see Tuvok'd?
*Tuvix'd, sorry
jadiza and the macrovirus from voy
kes and 7
Species 8472 and Garak (not all Cardassians, just Plain, simple Garak)
Miles and Keiko, together forever.
Milko
Miko
The ultimate punishment for Punished Miles.
Wht was?
>putting a comma after every phase
True. It was always so and so it shall always be. I'm quite happy to have discovered Babylon 5 by listening to an interview with Chris Avellone regarding Kotor II and him naming it as one of the game's key influences.
the threads will continue until dukat does something wrong
looks like we're going sticky
To identify recurring posters, label them, and shame them for liking whichever treks they enjoy.
>thousands of officers in starfleet
>cardis primary threat to peace in 2 quadrants
>ranking officers on the boarder are 2 random Black commanders
Ds9 suckkks
racist
Federation Economics
1. Mammonism derives its power from interest on loans.
2. The way to cure Mammonism is by abolishing interest on loans.
3. The Federation’s real wealth consists not in any material assets but in the productivity of its people.
4. The obligation to pay interest on public debt was ended and the Federation abolished all direct and indirect taxes and funds itself entirely on the revenues from state-owned industries.
5. Interest-payments are the reason why a state cannot do without taxes; those receiving the largest sums of interest pay relatively little in taxes.
6. Comparison of the affluent bondholder, the working-class bondholder, and the dependent bondholder. Expansion of social welfare for the dependent bondholder after cancellation of interest.
7. Instead of repaying the principal of bonds under cancellation of interest the Fedeartion simply declared the bonds to be currency.
8. For other fixed-interest assets, including mortgages, repayment under cancellation of interest is recommended. This has solved the housing problem.
9. A history of opposition to interest-slavery.
a. Curtailment and prohibition of interest before the 22nd century.
b. Enshrinement of interest under the developing global order during the 22nd century.
c. Cancellation of interest will dissolve the interest-community within the Federation and enables its member worlds to unite against the latinum International.
Is Star Trek conceptually exhausted? Is there anything left to explore?
If Marxist creators weren't at the helm, we could have many more good and interesting stories.
In real life we are experiencing (I would say) existential challenges to the human condition in the form of social media and screen time exploiting our visual and social centers of our brain, causing weird dopamine issues; as well as whatever effects of microplastics etc. Just as we keep discovering new effects on the actual human condition, it's easy to speculate on hypothetical or allegorical modifications to the human condition to be explored in sci-fi. I don't know if Trek is the right platform for it, but there might be some life in the old gal yet.
tons of stuff to do, and better visual tech to make it look good, but the writers are all a bunch of commie gays dedicated to pushing a 21st century message rather than a 23rd century one.
Star Trek has become mired in its own lore. Now every new movie and show has to be bout established politics between the Federation, Klingons, etc. Star Trek was best when its setting was fast and loose. Voyager was probably the last real Star Trek show when they explored new worlds and encountered new civilizations. DS9 and ENT were trapped in their own settings.
Hows that merger going?
Is Bob Bakish dead in a tub again?
Starting S2E09 "The Measure of a Man"
>The Measure of a Man"
bout tree fiddy
i wonder what a woman holding a metal rod while the man is standing above her means?
Sometimes a metal rod is just a meatl rod
not when gene "paint her green so i can jerk my peen" roddenberry is at the helm
I like Riker.