One of them will punch you in the face if you say "You are not human", the other one will mockingly "compliment" your observation skills.
Why is that?
Keep in mind: Both of them can mate and create offspring with humans. Biologically speaking, that means they belong to the same species.
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>Both of them can mate and create offspring with humans. Biologically speaking, that means they belong to the same species.
Lions and tigers can have offspring. They aren't the same species.
I am no biologist - but if you are right, that would just make the point I'm trying to make even worse.
>I am no biologist
I can tell. You appear to be an absolute fricking moron.
However, I can read up on what biologists have to say - and they say: If they can breed, the'y re the same species. Ergo: Lions + Tigers are the same species.
>If they can breed, the'y re the same species. Ergo: Lions + Tigers are the same species.
Hahahahahahaha holy shit
A double down on utter moronation
Google "Zorse" you 40 IQ dipshit
>Lions + Tigers are the same species.
How old are you?
>Most evolutionary biologists distinguish one species from another based on reproductivity: members of different species either won't or can't mate with one another, or, if they do, the resulting offspring are often sterile, unviable, or suffer some other sort of reduced fitness.
>the triple down
lolololololol
lions and tigers are not the same species, you fricking dumb twat
literally have a nice day for being this fricking stupid
homosexual Sapiens and Neanderthals interbred. They aren't the same species.
>evolutionary biologists think lions and tigers are the same thing
Holy shit I'm about to die laughing
"Species" is defined as a group of organisms that can reproduce naturally with one another and create fertile offspring.
Now that we have established that Klingons, Vulkans, Humans, etc. are all biologically the same species - why are some of them OK with being called "Non-Human" and others are not?
Klingons, Vulcans (c, not k, dumbass), and Humans are not the same species, you fricking absolute moron.
>"Species" is defined as a group of organisms that can reproduce naturally with one another and create fertile offspring.
Umm, no. Lions and tigers can make fertile offspring but are entirely different species.
Please stop posting moronic shit.
Ummm sweetie, my sweet summer child, why don't you actually, like, read a book on taxanomic ranks.
Lions are not tigers.
Tigers are not lions.
And you will never be a woman, no matter how much Frankenstein-tier medical shit you have done to you.
Of course a Lion isn't a tiger.
What OP is suggesting, is that those terms are below the "species" taxanomic rank.
What I'm suggesting is that OP will never be a woman.
>Of course a Lion isn't a tiger.
OP literally said lions and tigers are the same thing.
No, OP infers they could be classed as the same species (taxanomic rank) since they can mate and produce fertile offspring. Not that a lion is a tiger.
A vulkan isn't a human. They are within the same species.
A lion isn't a tiger. They are within the same species.
Red isn't blue. They are both Colours.
Species is an unmbrella term, within a ranking system.
>A vulkan isn't a human. They are within the same species.
Vulcans are a fictional race from a tv show. They are stated in the show to be a different species than human beings. They don't even have the same blood types or organ arrangements as humans. Watch TOS: Journey to Babel if you don't believe me, you absolute dumbass.
The same is true with Klingons. Watch Dr. McCoy in Star Trek VI, where he can't do much for Chancellor Gorkon because Klingons have an entirely different anatomy from humans.
>two things from different planets with entirely different anatomies are the same species
lol
Those create plot holes with The Chase actually since if they were that inter-related then they wouldn't have that wildly different biologies. They would still have standard DNA, and standard biological processes, just altered. You wouldn't see Green blood for instance. They would differ of course, in much the same way that a tiger or a person can differ but theyr'e still mammals.
I think Cardassians are implied to be reptile based as well, thus they're even more wildly different.
Star Trek wanted its cake and to eat it too: aleins are different, but we can still interbreed with them, but they're separate species. You can have one of these but not all.
>Those create plot holes with The Chase actually since if they were that inter-related then they wouldn't have that wildly different biologies.
While I see what you're saying, I'm compelled to point out that you're genetically related to squirrels. Yet you have a wildly different biology from a squirrel.
simple solution: the precursors ayulums seeded each planet with slightly different PROGRAMMED evolution paths as to best suit the environment
using pre-existing non sentient species native to the planet as BASE
the bipedal humanoid shaped was PROGRAMMED in all of them/most of them, but eaach species was either made differently on purpose, or left to evolve indipendently
>aleins are different, but we can still interbreed with them, but they're separate species. You can have one of these but not all.
False. Alien hybrids are shown to be the result of advanced medical science. Spock (or Amanda or Sarek) expressly says it in TOS. The Tom Paris/B'Elanna eps in VOY also show the same thing.
Cardies and Bajorans don't see to have any problems. I doubt Gul Dukat would waste the medical resources to produce illegitimate half Cardassian offspring with his Bajoran sex slaves.
>Ergo: Lions + Tigers are the same species.
Male Ligers are infertile, so no.
Wrong.
Female ligers are fertile, but male ligers are not.
>ligers
ha
Coyotes, wolves, dingoes, and domesticated dogs can all have fertile offspring even though they are all separate species.
They're separate breeds / races of the same species.
No, anon, wolf is not a "race" of coyote. Wolves and coyotes are entirely different species.
Biologists fight over OP's definition too.
Maybe everyone in this thread should go and read what species is as a taxonomic rank...
>"A species is often defined as the largest group of organisms in which any two individuals of the appropriate sexes or mating types can produce fertile offspring"
>"While the definitions given above may seem adequate at first glance, when looked at more closely they represent problematic species concepts.
>Biologists fight over OP's definition too.
lol nobody thinks lions and tigers are the same species, bro
t. Actual Biologist
Then why do people consider africans and europeans as the same species?
They look just as different to each other than Tigers and Lions - if not even more so.
>Then why do people consider africans and europeans as the same species?
The same reason people consider Great Danes and Chihuahuas the same species, you fricking dumbass.
Because they can mate and breed with each other. As I have stated multiple times.
The point of this thread is this: Taking the above fact into account; why do Humans and Vulkans or Klingons see themselves as different species - even though they biologically meet the criteria to be considered as the same species.
And furthermore: If the aliens in star trek are OK with not being human, why aren't blacks on earth IRL?
>why do Humans and Vulkans or Klingons see themselves as different species
Because they are different species, you negative IQ moron. Why do people say blue and red are different colors?
Then why should I consider a black as human but not a Vulkan, even though he resembles me much more closely.
It's spelled "Vulcan," dumbass. You've been told this before. Do you have a learning disability?
And batman is called Läderlappen in swedish.
Things are spelled differently in different countries.
We spell Vulcan with a K.
>Things are spelled differently in different countries.
That's nice. When you're talking with your Muslim rapist about Star Trek in Swedish, feel free to use the k. This is an English speaking website. Vulcan is spelled with a c.
Larping biology student.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_concept
>believing shit on Wikipedia
NGMI
Tigers and lions are different species, no matter how many morons say otherwise on Wikipedia.
You are just proving my point: The ability to create offspring is NOT the reason 2 individuals are seen as members of the same species - then why is it always the first thing people bring up when someone says blacks aren't human ???
Anon, this is Cinemaphile.
TV ?
The only solution to this incredibly embarrassing thread is for OP to commit seppuku
>Both of them can mate and create offspring with humans.
that isn't even true, they use super advanced futuristic tech to make that happen, it wouldn't happen naturally
FINALLY a constructive post.
Does it say so in the wiki or a specific episode?
i remember dr crusher saying something to that effect
Spock says it in a TOS episode. Tom and Bellana had all kinds of problems in VOY.
Most bipedal warm blooded species in the Milky Way are related per TNG: The Chase.
OP is a lorelet in addition to being a dumbass
>Keep in mind: Both of them can mate and create offspring with humans. Biologically speaking, that means they belong to the same species.
Supposedly the explanation they came up with is that all the humanoids were seeded by an ancient intergalactic species in the past. This was to get around "why do they all look like people and why can they interbreed?". This was taken as a joke episode though and then it was never follwed up upon since it would be earth shattering in its consequences.
It means every species they met in Voyager, at least the majority of them, were seeded by this species. It means all of them despite their differences are just variations and thus related.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient_humanoid
So even though they have the same origins, they STILL see themselves as different species?
That just validates my point (
) even more.
>So even though they have the same origins, they STILL see themselves as different species?
You have the same origin as a raccoon. You are a different species from a raccoon. (You're clearly too dumb to be a raccoon.)
>It means all of them despite their differences are just variations and thus related.
Any life form that has DNA is taxanomically "related" to every other life form that has DNA. Even if they're from different planets.
We don't know if other kinds of genetic code are even possible, so it could very well mean that every alien in the universe has DNA. But you could do DNA tests on them and see they're not related to one another.
Not at the base level. We're both mammals, with very similar anatomy, structure. We don't have green blood for instance since we both have red blood and use iron to move oxygen around.
You have to go really far away to crazy branches like octopi until you get radically different biology like that.
>We don't know if other kinds of genetic code are even possible, so it could very well mean that every alien in the universe has DNA.
True.
>But you could do DNA tests on them and see they're not related to one another.
False.
>But you could do DNA tests on them and see they're not related to one another.
Anon, it's entirely possible that there's an alien on another planet with the exact same DNA sequence as you.
there really isn't much to follow up on. the message was all they left, well the various humanoid species that populate the galaxy are their ultimate monument.
TNG didn't follow up on a lot
It's a big enough revelation that it should have earth shattering changes. It pretty much would have profound implications for every religion in the galaxy for instance.
I'd love to see a cult built entirely around them. A fringe movement, that's mostly ignored, but made up of all the races, and tries to maintain peace between the various groups and spread "brotherhood".
who would have known? I'm sure that info was classified by the Federation, Romulans and Cardassians. the Klingon captain probably forgot about it or made up some battle story to the high command.
>Uh huh. Another gloriious battle report? 20 Romulan warbirds destroyed? Oh but your sensors were malfunctioning so you have no record of it and we just have to take your word for it? Sure thing buddy.
>do you question my honor?
joking aside he probably strafed a Pakled colony for lulz
>Gowron, the mission you sent me on had nothing to do with a weapon, just a filthy p'tak hologram talking about we're all the same. It was so stupid that I decided to strafe the Pakled homeworld.
Gowron was pleased
TGN, The Chase explains why the aliens are mostly humanoid in Trek
dontchanow that 'human' is the space equivalent of the N word? It's a real factual fact
Reminder that Cardies are the best Trek race. They are portrayed as having the exact same temperment and emotional ranges of humans. 100% of their harshness is entirely due to their culture. They're just jerk humans basically.
Contrast to say Klingons or Romulans who have genuinely different biology and think and react differently than humans.
>Reminder that Cardies are the best Trek race.
>best
You misspelled "worst."
>occupies Bajor
>genocides millions
>leaves
>fails to elaborate
They're chads.
Boring crap that almost ended Star Trek.