They weren't Aliens. They were one of those TOS colony worlds. Also no one shit themselves over Roman Planet or Cowboy planet so it's funny to see how this one is still causing seethe because it's Africa Planet
This episode was woke ngl. Stronk black woman who ain't need no man demotes her husband to side piece and promotes her side piece to husband as she assumes rule?
>geezer
Say pard'ner, we don't use that kind of bigoted talk around here. This is "Fogey" country. Now go on, git, 'fore I blllllloooooow you to smithereens.
I liked it. It was weird and different. There were three in a row that seemed like they were written by someone not on the regular writing staff. This one, Eye of the Beholder and the one where Picard devolves into a pygmy marmoset.
I don't get why the frick Masks is so hated, it's literally an experimental mashup of Darmok and The Inner Light.
Seasons 1, 2, and 7 are the best seasons of TNG.
And the geezers say Trek was never silly.
Nobody has ever said that.
Does anyone like it? I watched TNG religiously when it was coming out and memory-holed this episode so hard that I was surprised seeing it in reruns years later, such poor quality. And say what you want about seasons 1 and 7 but All Good Things... was kino.
One of my favorites and never knew it was disliked so much until years later when I saw internet posts about it.
Does anyone like it? I watched TNG religiously when it was coming out and memory-holed this episode so hard that I was surprised seeing it in reruns years later, such poor quality. And say what you want about seasons 1 and 7 but All Good Things... was kino.
my head canon for that and the amazon episode is that they were colonies that got cut off from the federation and went cultish, but wtf were the writers thinking at the time?
The entire first and second seasons of Picard are more divisive than this episode.
I'm really enjoying those 2 seasons. They've expanded on the premise without falling into the usual traps and the world feels real with characters who are allowed to grow.
It may not be for everyone, but I'd suggest anyone who is willing to try it to stick with it through the first season. That first episode is a bit clumsy but from there on it's a hell of a lot better.
I meant, could you go into some specifics re what you said? How did they expand on the premise (of Star Trek generally?) and what are the traps they avoided? In what ways does the world feel more real than that of TNG? Which characters grow and in what ways? Genuinely curious.
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Anonymous
>some specifics
the new pacific borg expanded their lore beyond the film with the 2004 comic book and the pachinko game
1 month ago
Anonymous
Dunno if you're the same guy, but we're talking about the first two seasons of Picard, and lore =/= premise, and I had other questions too.
1 month ago
Anonymous
the pacific borg were introduced in season 2 of picard
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Anonymous
OK, but you (if you're the same person) said they expanded on the *premise*. How? Also, I asked some other stuff as well.
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Anonymous
in a sense, "the borg" could be seen as a character, or at least a character type in the star trek universe. its collective identity is a reflection of its own assimilated cultures, as well as its experiences over the course of the various star trek series, in which the collective evolves significantly over time. it is also a product of its unique history as a race, reflecting the conflict between the dominant cultures of the klingons, romulans, and federation (especially the latter).
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Anonymous
Right... But how did they expand on the premise? And, again, what about the other stuff I asked?
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Anonymous
One trap that was blatant "Star Trek: Picard" avoids is overly relying on nostalgia. While the show does bring back familiar characters and references from "Star Trek: The Next Generation," it also tells a new and original story that stands on its own. It doesn't rely solely on fan service to drive the narrative forward. Another trap it avoids is oversimplifying the morality of the situation. The show presents morally complex dilemmas and shades of gray, rather than presenting a straightforward conflict between good and evil. "Star Trek: Picard" feels more grounded and real compared to "Star Trek: The Next Generation" due to its focus on the consequences of actions and the exploration of more mature themes. The show tackles issues such as trauma, redemption, and the complexities of politics and power in a way that feels more relatable and relevant to contemporary audiences.
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Anonymous
>One trap that was blatant "Star Trek: Picard" avoids is overly relying on nostalgia
As I recall it was filled with "Remember thiiiiis?" moments relying on previous knowledge of/affection for the franchise. Hell, Picard even had a room full of memorabilia! >it also tells a new and original story that stands on its own
Well, so, arguably, does pretty much any piece of fiction. And as I recall, that one story in season 1 was stretched veeeeeery thin. >The show presents morally complex dilemmas and shades of gray, rather than presenting a straightforward conflict between good and evil. "Star Trek: Picard" feels more grounded and real compared to "Star Trek: The Next Generation" due to its focus on the consequences of actions and the exploration of more mature themes
If anything, it seemed more black and white than TNG. And TNG "focused on the consequences of actions" all the time. Just off the top of my head: The First Duty? Worf going along with that admiral's witch-hunt in The Drumhead? The Pegasus? Tapestry? Did you actually watch TNG? And what do you mean by "more mature" themes? More mature than death? Sacrifice? Honour? >in a way that feels more relatable and relevant to contemporary audiences
How so? And how is TNG no longer relatable or relevant?
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Anonymous
And, again - sorry to keep insisting - but you still haven't answered these questions: >How did they expand on the premise? >Which characters grow and in what ways?
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Anonymous
The show delves into the aftermath of the Borg's presence in the galaxy, particularly the impact it had on individuals who were assimilated and later liberated. It explores the trauma, both physical and psychological, suffered by those who were assimilated and then reclaimed their individuality. You are a gay wienersucker geezer c**t homosexual. This aspect adds depth to the Borg storyline, showing the long-term consequences of their actions beyond just the immediate threat they posed.Also it taces a significant emphasis on former Borg characters, such as Seven of Nine. These characters provide insight into the inner workings of the Borg Collective and the struggles of assimilated individuals to reintegrate into society after their liberation. By exploring the experiences of former Borg, the show sheds light on the complexity of the Borg as a collective consciousness and the challenges faced by those who break free from its control. The show also explores the broader political and societal implications of the Borg threat. It examines how the existence of the Borg has shaped the politics and attitudes of the galaxy, leading to increased militarization and fear among various factions. This adds depth to the portrayal of the Borg as a galactic menace, showing how their presence has influenced the course of history and the behavior of different civilizations.
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Anonymous
>You are a gay wienersucker geezer c**t homosexual
Stopped reading there. You made some vague generalisations about the first two seasons of Picard...
[...]
I'm really enjoying those 2 seasons. They've expanded on the premise without falling into the usual traps and the world feels real with characters who are allowed to grow.
I asked, politely, if you could provide some specifics, because I was genuinely interested. You've repeatedly failed to explain how the show "expanded on the premise", almost as if you don't understand what the word "premise" means. Likewise, you've failed to provide any examples of character growth. You gave a couple of examples of "traps" you feel the show avoided, and ways in which it feels more real to you - and I'd give you props for that, except you also mischaracterised TNG, revealing that you either haven't watched it or weren't paying attention when you did. And then you insulted me. None of this is particularly surprising, but you should realise that anyone who might be on the fence about nutrek in general or this show in particular is likely to be impressed or convinced by your behaviour. You come off like a combination of a waffling, nonsensical AI and a foul-mouthed infant.
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Anonymous
You really should consider changing your behaviour.
I'm off to write about DS9 for a bit, I think I'll feel better after that. Feel free to respond again, but please try to stick to the topic. I'm not interested in your personal views on other shows, unless they are relevant to TOS or TNG.
I just like when fans talk about the shows they love and what elements in them they particularly enjoy.
But if that makes you uncomfortable I'm sorry and I'll refrain from doing so from here on out. I'll limit my comments to what you prefer.
Of course it doesn't. And you're not helping your cause. Why you insist on talking about other shows, when your comments have been pretty universally panned in this thread, I've no idea. You've already demonstrated that you can't explain what makes the show better, other than to say that some things are bad, and some things are good. What's your criteria for that? I've already discussed that you have a very limited ability to discuss the show, given the few elements you've commented on.
Here, I'll help you out, since you're unable to give me any examples of anything from TNG that you think was "unrealistic". Go for it.
Also, how many years have you been watching Star Trek?
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Anonymous
>*calls someone a c**t out of nowhere* >You really should consider changing your behaviour
>please try to stick to the topic
Absolutely fricking shameless. You couldn't even stick to your own statement when asked to support it - you just waffled on about the Borg.
1 month ago
Anonymous
it was just to see if you were reading what I was writing and prove that you don't look for fighting the argument, but look after stuff to freak out about
1 month ago
Anonymous
Oh, that makes it OK, does it? Frick off. >prove that you don't look for fighting the argument
And learn to write coherent sentences (and the meaning of the word "premise") while you're at it.
Oh, and... >*compares show favourably to TNG (inaccurately characterising the latter)* >"I'm not interested in your personal views on other shows" >"Why you insist on talking about other shows"
Fuuuuuck you.
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Anonymous
1 month ago
Anonymous
Half of the posts were AI generated dude.
1 month ago
Anonymous
geezers be like: everything is AI now
kys
1 month ago
Anonymous
still preferable to most of the Cinemaphile Cinemaphile trek regulars tbqdesu
1 month ago
Anonymous
Whenever someone praises nutrek it sounds like AI or a press release (which could also be AI).
1 month ago
Anonymous
PARANOIA of LOSER GEEZER
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Anonymous
case in point
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
>one more culled geezer
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Anonymous
team fogey 4eva
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Anonymous
"a bunch of old fogeys"
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you say that like you're a dotard
1 month ago
Anonymous
trek need more gays
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Anonymous
>"Remember thiiiiis?"
geezers insist in that, when Hispanic 2 had the least of that, while Hispanic 3 was the memberberry smooth for the senior crowd
1 month ago
Anonymous
>when Hispanic 2 had the least of that
Yeah, compared to season one, when they bombarded you with it:
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delfecting
1 month ago
Anonymous
Riiiiiight. That poster insisted Picard "didn't overly rely on nostalgia". I pointed out that it was filled with "Remember this?" moments, citing one particularly heinous example. You retorted that "geezers insist in [sic] that, when Hispanic 2 had the least of that...", as if the fact that the second season had the fewest such moments magically means that the other seasons (especially the first) weren't full of them. And you think I'm the one "delfecting"?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Geezer don't walk the talk.
When they try something new, it is lore breaking
When they do "respectful" memberberries is le good
1 month ago
Anonymous
Re "the consequences of actions", I could also have mentioned episodes dealing with first contact, e.g. First Contact and Who Watches the Watchers.
If it had been Worf inhabited by the narrative-ghost of some ancient and terrible god of war, this episode would have been 100x better. Most of the reason it sucks is Spiner's community theater-tier performance, he's a good actor but he can't do roles like that for shit.
>hate this goddamn episode >scrolling through tv channels >put on a random episode of TNG >see this title card
Every frickin time it's either this or "The Game" which I hate almost as much
Nta but I agree to some extent. Yes ,the concept of the episode was great but it was executed poorly.For example Spiners performance was very cartoonish
The concept is moronic. The spaceship is being turned into an ancient building. Will it somehow not destroy life support? Breach the hull? What about the warp core or fusion reactors of the impulse engines? How about the replicator systems? Stupid fricking idea. Stupid fricking episode.
Nta but I agree to some extent. Yes ,the concept of the episode was great but it was executed poorly.For example Spiners performance was very cartoonish
He got the script the night before they were going to start filming so I give Brent a lot of credit actually despite this episode being complete fricking trash.
Season 7 is worse than season 2 and almost on par with season 1. You can count the amount of decent episodes on one hand.
Feels like they just used some rejected scripts from season 1 and 2. Most of the writers were probably working on Deep Space Nine at that point.
Honestly, it's fair.
Making 20 episodes every year for 7 years is hard as frick, modern shows can't even manage decent 8 episodes, the fact they managed keep quality constant for as long as they did it is amaizing
My top 10 TNG episodes:
1. The Outrageous Okona
2. Lower Decks
3. Parallels
4. The Arsenal of Freedom
5. Rascals
6. The Game
7. Tapestry
8. Hide & Q
9. Masks
10. Gambit (two parter)
Obviously Darmok, Inner Light, and Measure of a Man are solid ones too, TNG in general, while I'll have my complaints about it at times, is just a solid show in general.
Many of the staff were displeased with the final episode. Naren Shankar commented, "Joe has a magnificent imagination, he thinks in a deep way. But in this case it was too much… We had to make it more understandable, make the clues clearer. And the end result is… it's still kinda confusing." (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion (? ed., p. ?))
Brannon Braga observed, "Joe is one of those writers who has a unique vision that no one else understands. Shows need to be nurtured by him and it's very tough to come in on one of his scripts and start rewriting it. He needed to be here and it's unfortunate that it suffered as a result. The first draft had some very confusing elements that needed work. On the whole, it was a very good script, but the last act was unsatisfying and I feel that was because it needed to be simplified, but Joe wasn't here to do it and the staff struggled a little bit…The best thing about the show is watching the Enterprise being mutated into this weird ancient civilization. The art direction, effects, and the opticals were among our best." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)
Director Robert Wiemer is also not fond of the episode, remarking, "I always look and find a meaningful subtext of some kind in all of the shows I've done; more often than not they're little morality plays, and I was unable to find that in "Masks"… it ended up kind of an exotic adventure story, but it didn't have any heart." (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion (? ed., p. ?))
At a Creation Entertainment convention in South Bend, Indiana in 1994, Michael Dorn cited this as his least favorite episode of TNG.
In contrast, Ron Moore commented, "It was a fascinating episode. It was just full of wild concepts and from that angle alone it was worth doing. Sometimes you have to take those risks and really go out someplace and do something bizarre." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)
I see it that Old Trek writers were capable of humility instead of claiming everything they wrote is the best thing ever (and the audience is wrong if they disagree) like nuTrek writers.
We could coordinate which episodes we watch every week.
We could also start taking bets on meta happenings. Personally, I'm curious about whether the anon questing for his Star Trek chalice will find it before every nuTrek series is cancelled. We could also discuss the odds of blankposter finally speaking, schizos taking their meds, Bashirgay having to give a pinky finger to the yakuza, all kinds of fun things.
I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning, I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own
I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin'
Roman Cavalry choirs are singin'
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason, I can't explain
Once you'd gone, VF, there was never, never an honest word
And that was when I ruled the world
if you mean the shittiest then yeah. it has that season 1 energy.
elab
reminds me of the african episode
the aliens that weren't human in any way except for emulating weird african stereotypes and looking and dressing like stylized 90s space africans?
would that not be explained by the creator myth?
>except for emulating weird african stereotypes and looking and dressing like stylized 90s space africans?
Egyptian, Inca, Mayan... Not Africa
Egypt isn't in Africa?
They weren't Aliens. They were one of those TOS colony worlds. Also no one shit themselves over Roman Planet or Cowboy planet so it's funny to see how this one is still causing seethe because it's Africa Planet
This episode was woke ngl. Stronk black woman who ain't need no man demotes her husband to side piece and promotes her side piece to husband as she assumes rule?
Season 1 has many kino EPS despite having a different tone. The first episode two parter is one of the best episodes in the series
>The first episode two parter is one of the best episodes in the series
nah
Q got overused too early
Encounter at farpoint is so shit it ends with even the character saying they'll hope future episodes will be better.
this kill the geezer
>geezer
Say pard'ner, we don't use that kind of bigoted talk around here. This is "Fogey" country. Now go on, git, 'fore I blllllloooooow you to smithereens.
Now the bot will get confused.
fogeys win the fogey-geezer war anytime
we btfo'd the dotards and pensioners
geezers u r next
>t. team fogey
geezers gonna geeze
Why are you still alive? I thought you killed yourself once the trek general died.
i'm the alpha and the omega
They don't have suicide booths in Canada yet? Shame.
I liked it. It was weird and different. There were three in a row that seemed like they were written by someone not on the regular writing staff. This one, Eye of the Beholder and the one where Picard devolves into a pygmy marmoset.
I don't get why the frick Masks is so hated, it's literally an experimental mashup of Darmok and The Inner Light.
Seasons 1, 2, and 7 are the best seasons of TNG.
Nobody has ever said that.
One of my favorites and never knew it was disliked so much until years later when I saw internet posts about it.
And the geezers say Trek was never silly.
They say no such thing. There are silly episodes even in TOS.
Not even close.
Which one so?
Just for TNG? Pic any of the TOS leftovers or s7 burnt up and here comes Bok again.
Does anyone like it? I watched TNG religiously when it was coming out and memory-holed this episode so hard that I was surprised seeing it in reruns years later, such poor quality. And say what you want about seasons 1 and 7 but All Good Things... was kino.
I like it
I've discovered a pretty good amount of people like this episode. I can't understand it.
The entire first and second seasons of Picard are more divisive than this episode.
>first and second seasons of Picard
Allison Pill's knockers were
my head canon for that and the amazon episode is that they were colonies that got cut off from the federation and went cultish, but wtf were the writers thinking at the time?
is there any episode planet that withdrew from federation onscreen?
that is not the marquii
>divisive
That would imply anyone had an opinion different to "this is shit".
I'm really enjoying those 2 seasons. They've expanded on the premise without falling into the usual traps and the world feels real with characters who are allowed to grow.
Please elaborate.
It may not be for everyone, but I'd suggest anyone who is willing to try it to stick with it through the first season. That first episode is a bit clumsy but from there on it's a hell of a lot better.
I meant, could you go into some specifics re what you said? How did they expand on the premise (of Star Trek generally?) and what are the traps they avoided? In what ways does the world feel more real than that of TNG? Which characters grow and in what ways? Genuinely curious.
>some specifics
the new pacific borg expanded their lore beyond the film with the 2004 comic book and the pachinko game
Dunno if you're the same guy, but we're talking about the first two seasons of Picard, and lore =/= premise, and I had other questions too.
the pacific borg were introduced in season 2 of picard
OK, but you (if you're the same person) said they expanded on the *premise*. How? Also, I asked some other stuff as well.
in a sense, "the borg" could be seen as a character, or at least a character type in the star trek universe. its collective identity is a reflection of its own assimilated cultures, as well as its experiences over the course of the various star trek series, in which the collective evolves significantly over time. it is also a product of its unique history as a race, reflecting the conflict between the dominant cultures of the klingons, romulans, and federation (especially the latter).
Right... But how did they expand on the premise? And, again, what about the other stuff I asked?
One trap that was blatant "Star Trek: Picard" avoids is overly relying on nostalgia. While the show does bring back familiar characters and references from "Star Trek: The Next Generation," it also tells a new and original story that stands on its own. It doesn't rely solely on fan service to drive the narrative forward. Another trap it avoids is oversimplifying the morality of the situation. The show presents morally complex dilemmas and shades of gray, rather than presenting a straightforward conflict between good and evil. "Star Trek: Picard" feels more grounded and real compared to "Star Trek: The Next Generation" due to its focus on the consequences of actions and the exploration of more mature themes. The show tackles issues such as trauma, redemption, and the complexities of politics and power in a way that feels more relatable and relevant to contemporary audiences.
>One trap that was blatant "Star Trek: Picard" avoids is overly relying on nostalgia
As I recall it was filled with "Remember thiiiiis?" moments relying on previous knowledge of/affection for the franchise. Hell, Picard even had a room full of memorabilia!
>it also tells a new and original story that stands on its own
Well, so, arguably, does pretty much any piece of fiction. And as I recall, that one story in season 1 was stretched veeeeeery thin.
>The show presents morally complex dilemmas and shades of gray, rather than presenting a straightforward conflict between good and evil. "Star Trek: Picard" feels more grounded and real compared to "Star Trek: The Next Generation" due to its focus on the consequences of actions and the exploration of more mature themes
If anything, it seemed more black and white than TNG. And TNG "focused on the consequences of actions" all the time. Just off the top of my head: The First Duty? Worf going along with that admiral's witch-hunt in The Drumhead? The Pegasus? Tapestry? Did you actually watch TNG? And what do you mean by "more mature" themes? More mature than death? Sacrifice? Honour?
>in a way that feels more relatable and relevant to contemporary audiences
How so? And how is TNG no longer relatable or relevant?
And, again - sorry to keep insisting - but you still haven't answered these questions:
>How did they expand on the premise?
>Which characters grow and in what ways?
The show delves into the aftermath of the Borg's presence in the galaxy, particularly the impact it had on individuals who were assimilated and later liberated. It explores the trauma, both physical and psychological, suffered by those who were assimilated and then reclaimed their individuality. You are a gay wienersucker geezer c**t homosexual. This aspect adds depth to the Borg storyline, showing the long-term consequences of their actions beyond just the immediate threat they posed.Also it taces a significant emphasis on former Borg characters, such as Seven of Nine. These characters provide insight into the inner workings of the Borg Collective and the struggles of assimilated individuals to reintegrate into society after their liberation. By exploring the experiences of former Borg, the show sheds light on the complexity of the Borg as a collective consciousness and the challenges faced by those who break free from its control. The show also explores the broader political and societal implications of the Borg threat. It examines how the existence of the Borg has shaped the politics and attitudes of the galaxy, leading to increased militarization and fear among various factions. This adds depth to the portrayal of the Borg as a galactic menace, showing how their presence has influenced the course of history and the behavior of different civilizations.
>You are a gay wienersucker geezer c**t homosexual
Stopped reading there. You made some vague generalisations about the first two seasons of Picard...
I asked, politely, if you could provide some specifics, because I was genuinely interested. You've repeatedly failed to explain how the show "expanded on the premise", almost as if you don't understand what the word "premise" means. Likewise, you've failed to provide any examples of character growth. You gave a couple of examples of "traps" you feel the show avoided, and ways in which it feels more real to you - and I'd give you props for that, except you also mischaracterised TNG, revealing that you either haven't watched it or weren't paying attention when you did. And then you insulted me. None of this is particularly surprising, but you should realise that anyone who might be on the fence about nutrek in general or this show in particular is likely to be impressed or convinced by your behaviour. You come off like a combination of a waffling, nonsensical AI and a foul-mouthed infant.
You really should consider changing your behaviour.
I'm off to write about DS9 for a bit, I think I'll feel better after that. Feel free to respond again, but please try to stick to the topic. I'm not interested in your personal views on other shows, unless they are relevant to TOS or TNG.
I just like when fans talk about the shows they love and what elements in them they particularly enjoy.
But if that makes you uncomfortable I'm sorry and I'll refrain from doing so from here on out. I'll limit my comments to what you prefer.
Of course it doesn't. And you're not helping your cause. Why you insist on talking about other shows, when your comments have been pretty universally panned in this thread, I've no idea. You've already demonstrated that you can't explain what makes the show better, other than to say that some things are bad, and some things are good. What's your criteria for that? I've already discussed that you have a very limited ability to discuss the show, given the few elements you've commented on.
Here, I'll help you out, since you're unable to give me any examples of anything from TNG that you think was "unrealistic". Go for it.
Also, how many years have you been watching Star Trek?
>*calls someone a c**t out of nowhere*
>You really should consider changing your behaviour
>please try to stick to the topic
Absolutely fricking shameless. You couldn't even stick to your own statement when asked to support it - you just waffled on about the Borg.
it was just to see if you were reading what I was writing and prove that you don't look for fighting the argument, but look after stuff to freak out about
Oh, that makes it OK, does it? Frick off.
>prove that you don't look for fighting the argument
And learn to write coherent sentences (and the meaning of the word "premise") while you're at it.
Oh, and...
>*compares show favourably to TNG (inaccurately characterising the latter)*
>"I'm not interested in your personal views on other shows"
>"Why you insist on talking about other shows"
Fuuuuuck you.
Half of the posts were AI generated dude.
geezers be like: everything is AI now
kys
still preferable to most of the Cinemaphile Cinemaphile trek regulars tbqdesu
Whenever someone praises nutrek it sounds like AI or a press release (which could also be AI).
PARANOIA of LOSER GEEZER
case in point
>one more culled geezer
team fogey 4eva
"a bunch of old fogeys"
you say that like you're a dotard
trek need more gays
>"Remember thiiiiis?"
geezers insist in that, when Hispanic 2 had the least of that, while Hispanic 3 was the memberberry smooth for the senior crowd
>when Hispanic 2 had the least of that
Yeah, compared to season one, when they bombarded you with it:
delfecting
Riiiiiight. That poster insisted Picard "didn't overly rely on nostalgia". I pointed out that it was filled with "Remember this?" moments, citing one particularly heinous example. You retorted that "geezers insist in [sic] that, when Hispanic 2 had the least of that...", as if the fact that the second season had the fewest such moments magically means that the other seasons (especially the first) weren't full of them. And you think I'm the one "delfecting"?
Geezer don't walk the talk.
When they try something new, it is lore breaking
When they do "respectful" memberberries is le good
Re "the consequences of actions", I could also have mentioned episodes dealing with first contact, e.g. First Contact and Who Watches the Watchers.
If it had been Worf inhabited by the narrative-ghost of some ancient and terrible god of war, this episode would have been 100x better. Most of the reason it sucks is Spiner's community theater-tier performance, he's a good actor but he can't do roles like that for shit.
That episode in which the black man rescues the kid, it broke me forever.
?????
Masaka my dick-a
I hate the episode about conference rooms
>hate this goddamn episode
>scrolling through tv channels
>put on a random episode of TNG
>see this title card
Every frickin time it's either this or "The Game" which I hate almost as much
I liked this episode doe
why
I just think the concept is neat and I like episodes where they have to actually figure out how to deal with a threat that isn't just phasering it.
Nta but I agree to some extent. Yes ,the concept of the episode was great but it was executed poorly.For example Spiners performance was very cartoonish
The concept is moronic. The spaceship is being turned into an ancient building. Will it somehow not destroy life support? Breach the hull? What about the warp core or fusion reactors of the impulse engines? How about the replicator systems? Stupid fricking idea. Stupid fricking episode.
He got the script the night before they were going to start filming so I give Brent a lot of credit actually despite this episode being complete fricking trash.
Oh wow I didn't know that.Thanks
To a star trek thread on Cinemaphile came a spammer one fine day.
Didn't post too much on-topic, didn't have to much to saaaaaay
He's a disenchanted oldguard
and they say he's all alone
But the spammer there among them
had a folder on his phone
folder on his phoooooone
your point?
Season 7 is worse than season 2 and almost on par with season 1. You can count the amount of decent episodes on one hand.
Feels like they just used some rejected scripts from season 1 and 2. Most of the writers were probably working on Deep Space Nine at that point.
every season is worse than season 2
Honestly, it's fair.
Making 20 episodes every year for 7 years is hard as frick, modern shows can't even manage decent 8 episodes, the fact they managed keep quality constant for as long as they did it is amaizing
Smarm is intensifying but why now?
STD5 premiere
We're nearing the end.
SIX MILLION LIGHTS
Lurk Three
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The most divisive Trek episodes will be this Thursday's Star Trek: Discovery S05 openers, “Red Directive” & “Under The Twin Moons”.
Trekkies will love them. Geezies will screech about them until they pass out.
Wow time for another season of crying in every episode
Fan excitement engaging diversity.
>friendliness is earned
Very klingon perspective. That shit ain't Starfleet.
It's what happens when you have fat gen x chicks in the writer's room
We're DONE with the old starfleet! We can totes do this shit better and make all the white boys seethe
Through thick and thin.
Through thick and dinner.
I bet she's constantly in engineering requesting that power to the gravity plates be reduced.
But seriously though, this is their exact mentality when making nutrek.
no one cares dude
>captcha: BBBBW
I don't think TNG had aged well compared to DS9. The quality is so inconsistent.
My top 10 TNG episodes:
1. The Outrageous Okona
2. Lower Decks
3. Parallels
4. The Arsenal of Freedom
5. Rascals
6. The Game
7. Tapestry
8. Hide & Q
9. Masks
10. Gambit (two parter)
Obviously Darmok, Inner Light, and Measure of a Man are solid ones too, TNG in general, while I'll have my complaints about it at times, is just a solid show in general.
oh shit oh frick VOY and DS9 have their own Pluto channels now
when will we get an ENT channel?
I AM A SHIT POSTER GODDAMNIT
Next time on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Sisko faces his most dangerous foe yet,
Schizophrenia.
Why didnt they ever return to the sex planet from season 1?
They found a different sex planet
>spiner gets to act like not data
>picard gets to unravel a mystery related to his passion for archeology/anthropology
great episode
Is it possible for /trek/ to return at some point or has too much gone down?
Reception
Many of the staff were displeased with the final episode. Naren Shankar commented, "Joe has a magnificent imagination, he thinks in a deep way. But in this case it was too much… We had to make it more understandable, make the clues clearer. And the end result is… it's still kinda confusing." (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion (? ed., p. ?))
Brannon Braga observed, "Joe is one of those writers who has a unique vision that no one else understands. Shows need to be nurtured by him and it's very tough to come in on one of his scripts and start rewriting it. He needed to be here and it's unfortunate that it suffered as a result. The first draft had some very confusing elements that needed work. On the whole, it was a very good script, but the last act was unsatisfying and I feel that was because it needed to be simplified, but Joe wasn't here to do it and the staff struggled a little bit…The best thing about the show is watching the Enterprise being mutated into this weird ancient civilization. The art direction, effects, and the opticals were among our best." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)
Director Robert Wiemer is also not fond of the episode, remarking, "I always look and find a meaningful subtext of some kind in all of the shows I've done; more often than not they're little morality plays, and I was unable to find that in "Masks"… it ended up kind of an exotic adventure story, but it didn't have any heart." (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion (? ed., p. ?))
At a Creation Entertainment convention in South Bend, Indiana in 1994, Michael Dorn cited this as his least favorite episode of TNG.
In contrast, Ron Moore commented, "It was a fascinating episode. It was just full of wild concepts and from that angle alone it was worth doing. Sometimes you have to take those risks and really go out someplace and do something bizarre." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)
Where are you going with this?
I see it that Old Trek writers were capable of humility instead of claiming everything they wrote is the best thing ever (and the audience is wrong if they disagree) like nuTrek writers.
What happened to /trek/? These threads were acceptable just last week now it's just schizoid nonsense.
bump
You know who loved Star Trek threads, was Joey Peeps.
Target the orphanage.
>Katherine Janeway, the star graduate of the Starfleet Academy? More like Katherine Janeburg the tar graduate of the IDF
Speaking of trek, Voyager's back on PlutoTV I'm happy. Was gone for awhile for DS9 but now DS9 has it's own channel and Voyager came back on MoreTrek.
bump
Sex Trek
it was a fire hazard
/trek/ is at a crossroads.
Should be a fork, where it divides into two /trek/s. One for fogeys; the other for nutrek enjoyers. Why can't we have this?
>nutrek enjoyers
They're called minis.
Why?
Did people really like Tasha Yar? Even by S1 TNG standards she’s a shit character.
i mean, the actress left the show because she didn't like the character either
While true you always see things about how she was brought back for Yesterdays Enterprise because she was such a beloved character.
they thought she was cute, and self-inserted as the king of space africa
yar was alright once you got used to her sensory input patterns
I don't deserve to live
esoteric episode that had potential but wasted it all
i would really hate to rewatch it
You stupid motherfrickers, This thread just made me realize that, after many years, it's finally time to re-watch TNG!
We could coordinate which episodes we watch every week.
We could also start taking bets on meta happenings. Personally, I'm curious about whether the anon questing for his Star Trek chalice will find it before every nuTrek series is cancelled. We could also discuss the odds of blankposter finally speaking, schizos taking their meds, Bashirgay having to give a pinky finger to the yakuza, all kinds of fun things.
If anyone would be willing to set it up, I would absolutely be down for some good old weekend streams.
Chalice Anon seems dedicated but his holy grail could be buried under a mountain of garbage.
I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning, I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own
I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringin'
Roman Cavalry choirs are singin'
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason, I can't explain
Once you'd gone, VF, there was never, never an honest word
And that was when I ruled the world
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