Dissapointed with season 3 after enjoying season 2 quite a bit.
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Season 3 is commonly regarded as one of the weaker seasons amongst avid trek fans.
This but the complete opposite
>Season -3 is uncommonly disregarded as negative one of the stronger seasons amongst disavid trek casuals.
all tng related star treks besides the original don't get good until season 3. it's a conundrum, like they have to build up to being good
no matter how much you repeat the lie it will never be true. all gold except shades of grey and even that is better than half of DS9
Encounter at Farpoint
The Naked Now
Code of Honor
The Last Outpost
Where No One Has Gone Before
Lonely Among Us
Justice
The Battle
Hide and Q
Haven
The Big Goodbye
Datalore
Angel One
11001001
Too Short a Season
When the Bough Breaks
Home Soil
Coming of Age
Heart of Glory
The Arsenal of Freedom
Symbiois
Skin of Evil
We'll Always Have Paris
Conspiracy
The Neutral Zone
The Child
Where Silence Has Lease
Elementary Dear Data
The Outrageous Okona
Loud as a Whisper
The Schizoid Man
Unnatural Selection
A Matter of Honor
The Measure of a Man
The Dauphin
Contagion
The Royale
Time Squared
The Icarus Factor
Pen Pals
Q Who
Samaritan Snare
Up The Long Ladder
Manhunt
The Emissary
Peak Performance
Shades of Gray
Trolling is a bannable ofense, anon.
>a shittier remake of a TOS episode is good
stopped reading there
>Conspiracy
Kino
At least in the case of DS9 the writing is so good in later seasons they retroactively make the older seasons better on a rewatch. In retrospect there's only a handful of shitty episodes.
the only DS9 episodes I find to be absolute shit are
>Q-Less
>Meridian (the A plot, the B plot with Quark making the Kira sex program is kino)
>The Reckoning
I think that's about it, really
>profit and lace
>writer vampire
>jake kira dbz battle
>sisko gets in the box
>any episode where vedek boreil doesn’t die
>every single mu episode
>every ezri episode aka s7
>bashir’s pet morons
>rom commie propaganda eps
>sisko refuses to be sammy davis jr
>avery brooks tries to get a daytime emmy
>dax episodes that aren’t blood oath
>
That’s just off the top of my head. DS9 is chock full of trash episodes
>every ezri episode
Ezri is literally the better Dax. I wish we had more seasons of Ezri. Jadzia was a shitty prostitute.
N
based and truepilled
>bashir’s pet morons
Sounds like the autist didnt like getting called out.
At least we can all agree that the fricking episodes where the writers jerk themselves off over being writers are abysmal. Who the frick actually liked far beyond the stars. its an after school special. its a psa. avery brooks cannot act at all
>any episode where vedek boreil doesn’t die
Never got the hate for this character.
>every single mu episode
First one was good
>every ezri episode aka s7
I liked the one with the Vulcan killing people with rifle that transported the projectile
>bashir’s pet morons
These 2 episodes were both good.
>profit and lace
Kino
>writer vampire
Meh, the Lwaxana plot makes up for it
>jake kira dbz battle
I just said this one sucked
>sisko gets in the box
Kino
>any episode where vedek boreil doesn’t die
He's not so bad. Shakaar is worse.
>every single mu episode
Kino
>every ezri episode aka s7
Kino
>bashir’s pet morons
Kino
>rom commie propaganda eps
There's only one and it's kino
>sisko refuses to be sammy davis jr
Kino
>avery brooks tries to get a daytime emmy
Kino
>dax episodes that aren’t blood oath
I agree with this
I don't know; I've been to mu and it doesn't seem that kino
Profit and Lace is so singularly awful that it made Ira do the impossible: admit Rick Berman was right about the script being unfilmable shit.
>I AM TELLING YOU THAT! IS NOT! A FEMALE!
>well, she's good enough for me!
>bashirhomosexual.jpg
>Quark apologizes to the waitress he harassed at the start of the episode and gives her a raise.
Gave her a fricking raise? I hate how they frick with lore like that
The stupid board game people? Up The Long Ladder, IIRC.
I like Q-Less because it meant DS9 got both its requisite Q bullshit and space jellyfish episode out of the way early on in one go and never did it again.
Just keep watching, they gradually get better.
if you enjoyed the first 2 seasons youre probably more of a TOS guy.
Everything after Season 1-2 is pretty meh. The zeitgeist convinced you otherwise for some reason but the reality is that the first two seasons were the most comfy and properly episodic.
>le comfy
You morons sound like women when you say the shit. How about an interesting show? It isn't going to get by on being "comfy"
Comfy denotes how the viewer feels relaxed and out as ease from the tone of the show. Star trek has warm lighting, carpeted floors, feels like a giant living room and dental office. The people are intelligent, professional, charismatic, sensible and kind.
The experience every problem imaginable and somehow keep their heads on straight and solve them in rational ways, sometimes going above and beyond what an average human would do.
You’re ESL.
Go cry about it, snowflake
Action I was at the dentist and had to rush the post without proof reading.
Why doesn’t Star Trek have dentists?
Do you think they all brush their teeth or have they figure out how to replicate crowns for everyone.
Or maybe they invented a piece of gum you needed to chew once a day that removes all bacteria, tastes great and keeps your mouth healthy.
The ship just de-materializes the bacteria
Do they go to the replicator and ask it to create a set of crowns for all their teeth
Probably get cleaned by the same mechanism that cleans the cum off the holodeck.
All officers sonic brush three times a day. It’s an order that cannot be belayed. It has higher priority than the Prime Directive.
"comfy" is absolutely meaningless. You may as well not say anything at all.
Your post is comfy
You're being so baby right now.
You’re dismissed.
I explained the meaning. So you're definitely wrong.
you're relieved, ensign
great post.
Comfy is a good way of saying it has (very) little that's annoying.
I found TNG to be inconsistent all the way through. There's good episodes in every season.
yeah, every season has gold and stinkers. it's just the way episodic TV is.
Isnt that absolute shitshow where Troi says "where are youuuuuuuuu" for 45 minutes like season 5 or something. During TNGs alleged peak?
Meanwhile the greatest trek episode ever, the chase, is late s6. Seasons have no meaning in TNG.
And early DS9 isnt bad at all, people are just cranky because all the characters arent best buds yet. Season 2 had both Cardassians and The Wire. You people are just tribalists even within your tiny tribe of trekkies
I mostly just see the characters gradually age and the level of production gradually increase thru each season. The picture quality looks grainy in season 1 and 2 to me.
The grainy darkness just feels like DS9 is still alien and foreign to them, but as they move forward it becomes their true home
night terrors? that's season 4. but there are plenty of bad episodes all the way through the last season.
I like the parts in that episode where the characters hallucinate weird shit
It'd be great if it weren't for the fact that any time it builds up any sort of spooky atmosphere it then smash cuts to marina sirtis goofily floating through a storm going WHERE ARE YOOOOU
>Seasons have no meaning in TNG.
First 2 seasons: Crappy uniforms.
3-4: Peak
5+: Picard has a jacket now, and the intro logo has a 3D projection thing added.
Only s5 has the 3d logo
Oh yeah. I also wasn't sure if the jacket lasted.
Picard wore the jacket uniform whenever Patrick Stewart was feeling pissy during a shoot
This series honestly surprised me quite a lot. I was under the impression it was gonna be a stodgy, materialistic, scientism show but it's actually quite open minded and spiritual in a lot of ways. In Pic related Picard offers a hopeful and nuanced take on the complexity of death. I thought for sure he'd just say basic /r/atheism shit but nah.
you thought a show from the 80s would have /r/atheism takes? how young are you?
He fell for the memes that TNG is just hippie communism bullshit
Hippies are rrddit atheist now and not spiritual? You make no sense mongoloid
Your concept of the word 'spiritual' must be the same as the hippies and modern women/gays. Of course a roddenberry show would support crystals and astrology and drugs. For many people spirituality is actually real and legitimate and a religion.
I used to have a "Non-Binary" co-worker what said she was spiritual. She also said she liked Star Wars but didn't know much about Star Wars. If I discussed Star Trek with her she would be even more confused, She also didn't like guns, Hippies piss me off!
I had a big fat homosexual guy who wore dresses to work and was into buddhism-lite. He looked like homer simpson in the fatty dress episode except he actually thought he was a woman I think.
dealing with trans and non-binary is just damn confusing, it's really like an episode of Star Trek. I can deal with gay men, and lesbians, but trans people keep changing who they are and how to identify them. I rather deal with a green alien from mars than a trans non-binary who thinks she's a dolphin.
For me it was okay because my closest co-worker was an iraqi woman and we agreed on every view, we'd mock dress man all the time in private. If she wasn't an old widower she'd be my perfect wife.
i work with a gay guy who is fat, bald, has a beard, and sounds like a girl. he also accents his clothes with fluorescent and neon type colors.At least he's polite and doesn't become aggressive like the trans and non-binary people do.
Welcome to the family. Who would have thought people liked this show for good reasons?
Yeah this was liberals before the millennial generation and it’s why boomers can’t understand why the world has gone to shit. They don’t even know there’s firmware to update
>I am Tyronius Kang from the planet Nigron
>I have come to steal your white women
Just started watching the first season, it's surprisingly comfy and surprisingly manages to be quite racist and sexist at the same time
that's the only episode like that thoughie
thoughie?
that's not my name
It should be
I'm perfectly fine with the one I have thank you
Sez-y tres-y
Imagine thinking you're better than TNG. Go back to watching skibbidi toilet, zoomer.
Skibidi Trek
season 3 has less "best of all time" episodes but it still has some really good episodes, like ensigns of command, the enemy, the hunted, the high ground, deja q, best of both worlds pt 1
>ITT we make the bait REALLY REALLY obvious
TNG can't really be judged by season after season 3
Just watch Voyager. It's like a disposable version of TNG.
All Q episodes are kino even the voyager ones
Is this opposite land? Each season got better than the last. S2 was better than 1, S3 is better than 2.
s4 is better than s3
s5 is as good as s4
s6 is slightly inferior to s5
s7 is worse than s3
Is this opposite day?
The first two seasons of TNG are nigh unwatchable.
They are the most like TOS and therefore the most Star Trek and you are a gigantic homosexual nuisance
>The first two seasons of TNG are nigh unwatchable
False, they have amazing episodes, good episodes, ok episodes and bad episodes just like every season
>bad writer
>dead
They didn't kill her off for a poor attempt at drama, she quit.
ineed, that's the life I guess, the show must go on
BEST SEASON OF EACH STAR TREK
>TOS
2
>TNG
4
>DSN
3
>VOY
4
>ENT
2
I like ENT 3. The Xindi arc was the second best trek arc after the Dominion War.
Xindi was so shit that it killed Enterprise
>Xindi was so shit that it killed Enterprise
the Xindi arc was a heart transplant performed on a patient already in the final stage of terminal cancer (Berman Blastoma)
man TOS S2 is so good
I prefer the first season of TOS but TOS is my favorite Trek and season 2 is great.
What are your favorite Star Trek garbagekino moments?
>I'll tell you one thing, subcommander. If anything happens to Porthos, I'll be the one watering their alvira trees
Archer was 100% right and those aliens were 100% wrong. They deserved death but lucky for them Archer’s ethnicity allowed the restraint to see the bigger picture.
Thankfully, their stupid, easily offended, backwards and inferior culture would later be totally subsumed by the superior Federation culture
Archer always hits his mark
>favorite Star Trek garbagekino moments
T'Misc sniffing hull plating
oh no
Worf is a black Klingon, but the actor who played Alexander wasn't black, this is kind of le heckin' black face you guys! :^(
Suzie Plakson wasn’t black but a israelite
and? it's pointless regardless, it's fricking klingon acting
I agree but you have to admit it was a little jarring when they all started singing Camptown Races in Klingon
Even if you somehow accept that the whole premise of this isn't moronic, Alexander's mother was lighter skinned and they could have just had him much lighter. I GUESS that supports that they didn't have to darken him, though.
Klingons age like 5 times faster than humans, who's to say what causes their skin tones.
I don't get how Klingons developed warp technology, I don't even understand how their population grew so big when they're so obsessed with the glory of war, Writers need to explain Klingons more.
plenty of shit in star trek makes no sense if you think about it
It's all entertainment. I just want better writing. Klingons are written as one dimensional barbarians with laser weapons and ST writers could do more with them, they put enough effort in creating a language for them but not enough backstory on warp tech?
>they put enough effort in creating a language for them but not enough backstory on warp tech?
It was the autismo fans who came up with the klingon language
No it wasn't, they hired a linguist to make it up for Star Trek 3
Is their population big? I have no idea.
It's the same way Japanese were all about tradition and death before dishonorabu and tenno heika banzai but still ended up being controlled by the worldly desires of warlords and later admirals and generals and conquering lands for resources and assimilating foreign technology for power.
That’s not the same at all
klingons aren't stupid and there's no reason being warlike should inhibit technological development.
War has always been a catalyst for technical development.
>and there's no reason being warlike should inhibit technological development.
and yet the T-90 is being owned by Bradleys left and right , go figure
they apparently attained warp tech by exterminating invading off worlders
that makes sense, now when did they explain this and why isn't it explained in a movie or TV special.
Weird. 3 & 4 are peak.
How many did you answer correctly?
I tell you what, someone that says Data was accused of summoning the crystalline entity, and not Lore must have barely watched this show.
But that crazy lady did accuse Data of collaborating with the entity
rich evans is now the proud owner of 100 points
the woman whose son died did accuse data
data wouldnt remember anyway because hes a fricking toaster
Like none. Most of these questions are "what's the name of this random side character in that episode with the name <insert forgettable title>"
Was it Lursa?
i'm terrible with episode titles so i never get trivia right
I started watching TNG from the beginning a few months back and literally just finished All Good Things minutes ago AMA
which main cast member do you hate the most and why is it wesley
I don't hate any of the cast but Wesley contributes nothing (apart from occasionally being a plot device in Beverly-centric episodes) and doesn't need to be there, in addition to being Roddenberry's painfully obvious self-insert Gary Stu
he did have the duty of being the teenager in charge of the bridge of a super ship capable of melting planets when everyone from riker to picard walked off in the episode with the binars
Picard, Riker and Wesley were all Gene Roddenberry
How long did it take for the guy to finish
How would you feel about Picard having a loony mother which somehow inspired him to journey to the stars but just never came up in the show?
If this is a Picard 2020 thing I'll never know because I refuse to watch it
Picard and Riker are well-written, well-acted characters who act like professional, experienced navy crew (for the most part). Wesley is a one-dimensional douche who frequently endangers the ship and never has to answer for it
>Picard and Riker are well-written, well-acted characters
>Riker
>well-written
Hi Barclay
shut the frick up, wil
nobody ever liked wesely. just be grateful he got you some cash and pussy anyway
riker is fine until best of both worlds, at which point his character arc gets stalled because the natural place for it to take him is off the cast.
are you gonna watch DS9
I'm watching the TNG movies next and I'm kind of tempted to watch DS9 even thoiugh I never really found if that interesting on the occasions encountered it before
Agreed, she's a better actress and a more interesting character even though Beverly is sexoooo
DS9 and Voyager are required viewing if you enjoyed TNG. All other trek is trash.
Star Trek was never good and needs only pretend to like it because they want to have sex with Mike Stoklasa.
/thread
Stop forcing your irrelevant friend simulator crap
so, you know that series, good for you. glad you found yet another means to draw attention to yourself you autistic freak.
they aren't your real friends it's just a screen. giving them patreon money doesn't mean they know or like you. I'm just glad this clearly cut through to you finally. it's time to stop.
I remember judging if it was going to be a good episode if they wore the uniform with the bit around the neck, so I guess I didn't like the seasons up to then
Season 7 is the worst season. Lot of weird episodes that I didn’t enjoy. Masks is far and away my least favorite TNG episode.
I actually kind of like the weird S7 episodes, felt like a nice break from all the space diplomacy
barclay was also the most annoying fricking character and the episode he was a genius was painful
He was a stand in for how the writers felt about some of the audience.
Star Trek TNG had no real competition as a Sci-Fi show. Didn't matter what season it was, even when some episodes were weak it was better than nothing.
Facts about Miles Edward O’Brien
>what ship did he serve on?
The USS Enterprise-C
>what’s his favorite japanese dish?
Kani (crab)
>is it true he’s served in starfleet for 10 years?
It’s actually closer to 12
10-12 years and he made chief?
After Setlik III he should have been promoted right then and there
Sounds like the racist didn’t like getting called out
Why does B'Elanna refuse to take sonic shower?
TNG being so inconsistent with tone and quality is one of its best and worst qualities. It really is suspenseful not knowing if you’re getting comfy, cringe, a train wreck, or any combination of the above. It’s also fun to see which episodes couldn’t be made today.
the weirdest episode was the one where Riker meets a female alien who's species is supposed to reject gender classification
Haven't seen the 'Tell me about your sexual organs' meme in a while.
Its the season where it really starts to get good imo, probably best exemplified by Sins of the Father which sets in motion Worf's major character arc, The Enemy and thhe Defector which lays the grounding for the Romulans and its got some great stand alone episodes in any of the seasons like Who Watches the Watchers, The Most Toys, and Hollow Pursuits - not to mention one of the best two part episodes.
>The Most Toys
It started strong but the pacing was rushed as frick. Like, the crew moves on awfully quickly from watching Data’s ship explode. How many times has the metal man saved them by that point? And they move on equally quickly once he comes back safe.
But I did like how they hinted Data had a darker side by not confirming whether or not he fired at at his kidnappers.
>It started strong but the pacing was rushed as frick
This episode probably was rushed when the actor originally cast to play Kivas Fajo killed himself irl after having shot some scenes
>The director wanted to have the sets for Fajo's ship designed with David Rappaport's 3'11" height in mind, forcing all the other actors to hunch over or walk on their knees. Rick Berman immediately dismissed this idea as being impractical (if not just plain stupid), which ended up proving all the more important when Rappaport had to be replaced by 5'7" Saul Rubinek.
I can't believe Rick Berman drove him to suicide by mocking his disadvantages
>Brent Spiner recalled Berman saying "If that grody little midge wants counters he can reach he can renovate his house!" while knowing Rappaport was in earshot
tragic
Don’t you just love reading disturbing shit on the wiki?
>Such-And-Such actress is on record for not liking this episode after revealing she was molested by the director between takes
Dude, I’m just here for neat trivia and photos. I didn’t need to know that.
Every day's a learning day.
These are the essential episodes for every series
>TOS
All of them, even the bad ones
>TAS
All of them, even the bad ones
>TNG
All of them, even the bad ones
>DS9
All of them, even the bad ones
>VOY
All of them, even the bad ones
>ENT
All of them, even the bad ones
>STD
None of them
>PrICk
None of them
>LODE
None of them
>SJW
None of them
>PRO
All of them, even the bad ones
>>VOY
>All of them, even the bad ones
oh yeah, Threshold is essential viewing
Threshold is such a batshit episode it's hard to say it's truly bad
Agreed except frick voyager
>>PRO
>All of them, even the bad ones
>These are the essential episodes for every series
>>TOS
>All of them, even the bad ones
>>TAS
>All of them, even the bad ones
>>TNG
>All of them, even the bad ones
>>DS9
>All of them, even the bad ones
All of this is true. Also, Star Trek finished in 1999. Forever.
ds9 sucks and i agree
stsr trej
Anyone who hates Voyager is a fricking moron and probably a troony seething about 7 of 9
I like to come up with delusional conspiracies, too
>doesn’t know about the threads upon threads of a local troony trip who always seethes about jeri ryan
Frick off newbie
When it came out it was seen as lower quality than TNG or DS9 but it's still pretty good and is nice for trippy, more episodic Trek.
If you don't take it too seriously it is great entertainment.
>When it came out it was seen as lower quality than TNG or DS9
No it wasn’t you fricking liar. It was second only to Tng in popularity.
Fans talked so much shit about it when it came out. It was (and still is) a running joke. Popularity is irrelevant.
moron
Ds9’s blacksheep status and low ratings is a fact they discuss even in ds9’s docu.
DS9 is the black sheep but it is still more respected than Voyager.
Voyager is delicious garbage.
No, mallwalker
To put things in perspective, DS9's low ratings were higher than Voyager's low ratings.
You absolute moron. Ds9 was syndicated and Voy was network. Ds9 has the single worst viewership decline of the Berman era and the second least watched finale. Voyager retained its audience 2nd best only to Tng. Goddamn peabrain.
You can make all the excuses you want, but DS9 still had more people watching it than Voyager.
And Discovery had more people watching it then DS9
Source?
Voyager retained its viewership because of its episodic nature. Deep Space 9 is for sophisticated minds and unfortunately most of the Star Trek fanbase is not sophisticate enough to enjoy it.
>Deep Space 9 is for sophisticated minds and unfortunately most of the Star Trek fanbase is not sophisticate enough to enjoy it.
It has the best designed characters in the whole series.
>Ds9 has [...] the second least watched finale
You should look at the image again.
DS9, despite being a Babylon 5 rip-off, is still better than Voyager.
Oof. TNG really was a ‘right place at the right time’ situation. That’s probably also why it’s become such an enduring meme.
Deep Space 9 is the black sheep because it's a totally different format, being set on a space station with a single overarching plotline. You know that full well. Voyager is garbage. I'll gladly eat slop but Voyager is too much to bear
>durr trannies don't like 7 of 9
good for them, I can never even make it through enough episodes to see 7 of 9
I clearly remember early Voyager reviews being...less than generous.
>It was second only to Tng in popularity.
This is just a lie. The first season of Voyager beat DS9 but after that it was continually behind DS9.
Also DS9 was considered the worst series before Ent came out
No.
>Also DS9 was considered the worst series before Ent came out
Because Sisko was BLACK.
I love VOY on an episode-to-episode basis. They have really good standalone stories.
Looking at the bigger picture is what annoys me, because of all the missed opportunities.
>seething about 7 of 9
Is this really something that happens?
It wasn't until my second watch-through that I really came to appreciate Voyager. It grows on you
7 of 9 makes me grow, Borg chicks are Hot!
I remember the sequence where they ask the borg for a representative and they walk past dozens of borg to find the one with the biggest T&A
7 of 9 is so much hotter than any of these Rap females we have today.
I just dont like any of the crew. None of them.
Seven of Nine is just sexy worse data.
The emh is just bones but capeshit quirky
Tuvok is just sassy snarky reddit Spock
Insaneway is insane and a woman
All the other characters have no personality at all
Season 2 had a lot of guest star females with amazing breasts.
voyager is great
I've never watched Star Trek but want to do a massive binge of it. What shows are good?
Watch tng ds9 voy
Thanks.
Remember that it’s ok to skip to tng s3 if the first seasons are a slog
None
I'd start with TNG
>it's another "Voyager internet defense force" episode
Voyager did absolutely nothing with its own premise. It's good episodes are at best on par with mediocre episodes of TNG or DS9, and the majority of them are actively bad. Any time Neelix is on screen it's anti-entertainment. Janeway is moronic and regularly goes in to situations knowing she'll have to wipe her ass with starfleet regulations for a chance to get home and then at the very last second going MUH PRIME DIRECTIVE and blowing up their way back. Chakotay's akouchimouya fake injun magic is offensive, not just to native americans, but to the intelligence of every human being alive. The ship gets cut to pieces every other episode and is then inexplicably fine the next week. Nobody ever dies, and nothing ever happens. Also they didn't even bother to change the command codes after one of their bridge officers turned out to be a Cardassian spy who defected to the kazon for drama (why she did that, I can't fathom, because they're a minor race of patriarchal space morons with absolutely nothing to offer her)
Pack up your copypasta spam and frick off troony
BF is furiously typing rn
Unification is one of the most moronic plots in all of pre-nutrek but you don't notice because of the outstanding acting and dialogue.
>Spock decides to run off to Romulus because the guy he was emailing with said it was a good idea
>Picard hires a cloaked Kingon BoP to take him and Data there... but you'd think that, even cloaked, the Romulan border sensors would have lit up like a fricking Christmas tree when they crossed it. Not to mention that they literally park themselves in orbit of the capital planet of an extremely paranoid people who absolutely would be sweeping for unauthorized cloaked vessels
>the plan to disguise themselves as Romulans was pointless because they get recognized and caught in five seconds
>Sela wants to invade Vulcan with just a few thousand Romulan troops. Okay, so, even if she succeeds, what would stop the Federation from just nuking the planet?
The writers were so focused on seeing if they could have Spock that they didn't bother considering if they should have Spock.
but this is what I mean, you can have the most bonkers plot imaginable but as long as you have good writing, dialogue, acting, and direction, you don't hone in on it.
Where nutrek fails is the disgusting writing AND horrific "acting", obnoxious "Like, totallyyy, ohmygod, THAT just happened" dialogue, and nauseating directing.
That's why I love episodes like Datalore and The Royale. The scripts are fricking ridiculous. But the actors are so committed to playing them straight. You can't help but be entertained. Now everyone has to be self-aware and bring attention to the cheesyness of the plot. To show how savvy the writers are.
These are all great points. They are both pretty stupid plans (both Spock and Sela).
That said. As a counter point / companion piece to Undiscovered Country, which was out at the same sort of time, it works nicely
It is frustrating that, long term, this begins the 'Federationising' of the Romulans. Spocks real plan was a longterm influence/infiltration of a semi-totalitarian regime and support the underground (both physically and with a Martyr if required). Its a product of its time as the Berlin Wall was coming down and the Soviets were physically collapsing and giving way to freedom fighters and outside influences.
What was Sela even thinking though, Picard even points out the flaw in her plan
>PICARD: Do you seriously believe that the Federation will not immediately intervene?
>SELA: Of course it will, and we're fully prepared for it. But we will be there, entrenched, and it will be very difficult to get us out once we are. Reunification will become a fact of life.
Picard should have replied, you stupid b***h, the Federation would rather bombard the entire planet Vulcan and kill everyone than let you have it
decides to run off to Romulus because the guy he was emailing with said it was a good idea
The guy was his penpal for the better part of a century and the reunification movement on Romulus was a real thing that actually existed and Spock knew that what he was doing was dangerous but somebody would have to go ahead and take the first step if it was ever going to actually happen (he probably could have waited until the Romulans and Federation were working together during the dominion war but it's not like he's psychic)
hires a cloaked Kingon BoP to take him and Data there... but you'd think that, even cloaked, the Romulan border sensors would have lit up like a fricking Christmas tree when they crossed it. Not to mention that they literally park themselves in orbit of the capital planet of an extremely paranoid people who absolutely would be sweeping for unauthorized cloaked vessels
The show has always portrayed sweeping for cloaked vessels as something that isn't standard procedure
>>the plan to disguise themselves as Romulans was pointless because they get recognized and caught in five seconds
Yeah that was pretty halfassed also it makes no sense whatsoever to send Picard and Data instead of actual intelligence operatives but then it wouldn't be an episode of TNG
>>Sela wants to invade Vulcan with just a few thousand Romulan troops. Okay, so, even if she succeeds, what would stop the Federation from just nuking the planet?
Trying to occupy a planet with a few thousand troops is insane even if the vulcans were pacifists or cowards which they aren't, but what the hell makes you think the Federation would even consider nuking the planet as a response? It's the fricking Federation they'd probably just let them have it and create a huge new neutral zone and give the romulans dozens of inhabited planets and give big morality speeches about how great and enlightened the Federation is to any colonists who complain about it
>The show has always portrayed sweeping for cloaked vessels as something that isn't standard procedure
In the Federation. The Romulans are more paranoid than the Federation is.
Especially since the Klingons were the Romulans' biggest enemies at the time besides the Federation. And they just let a cloaked Klingon ship near their homeworld.
It was a great idea that ended up an underwhelming train wreck. Unification was written like it was a Star Trek movie and spends far too much time on Picard sneaking around and Riker’s b plot adventure instead of just focusing on the core Spock storyline. Instead of tightly written character and plot developments we got half-assed comedy, cheap twists and chase scenes. Probably the biggest fumble in tng’s tv run imo.
Yeah, it's kinda silly, but hey it features pic related and some cool interactions between him and Data so I can't complain.
Also a question for /trek/, I'm soon done with S6 and TNG is slowly coming to an end. What can I expect from DS9?
Their writing staff and practices were much more professional at that point so it's a lot more consistent and less often moronic but it loses most of the inspiration
Voyager is where the wheels were coming off and only sycophants and idiots stuck around
you still get a lot of incredible scenes such as dementia addled Sarek which was very moving, Riker and Worf chatting it up with the fat piano lady with three arms, Picard and Spock mind melding, and of course the aforementioned interactions between Spock and Data. Very kino.
>Also a question for /trek/, I'm soon done with S6 and TNG is slowly coming to an end. What can I expect from DS9?
More early season strangeness at first, and a whole lot more hammy acting all the way through. Avery Brooks makes Shatner's acting look nuanced.
I started watching TNG this year for the first time and just made it to S3. Does Dr. Pulaski ever come back? I didn't like her at first but when S3 started and Beverly came back, I felt a bit disappointed.
Deanna Troi is so fricking hot that I deal with her terrible acting just to see her nice breasts and sexy collarbone
She died
No Pulaski but just wait until the episode called man of the people
I have a phantom limb for 5 more seasons of pulaski tng. If she just had better and less dated hair people would realize she's just a million times more sophisticated actress than McFadden and would have a dozen great episodes about her by the end of the series
I have a phantom limb for an episode where she gets kidnapped by Lore. Such a shame they never interacted (to my knowledge).
I wish Troi had the movie hair.
Her episode hair was such a turnoff.
theres rumors Troi is derived from Donna Troi of DC Comics, also known as Wonder Girl, a member of Teen Titans and sidekick of Wonder Woman
forgot pic
sounds moronic but could be plausible if wonder girl also has a very minor power that works roughly 5% of the time, and is front and centre in her series despite having no clue whats even happening most of the time.
I've watched through the TNG and want to refresh myself through it before Picard. I've never seen any of the TNG movies. Is there an ideal /trek/ guide
Are there people who find Troi hot? She's got the arm hair of a Greek yogurt vendor.
Unspeakable acts anon
Dark curly hair brunettes imprinted on me while watching TNG going through puberty so yes. big time hot. Tasha Yar was incredibly hot as well with a fit ass that poked out
Some of use enjoy fuzzy women.
Season four is goated and Best of Both Worlds Part 1 and 2 are worth it!
Does anyone feel done with these shows and stuff? I was a fan of a bunch of stuff, Star Trek, Star Wars etc. The more you talk about it the worse it feels. The conversations are always the same. People have the same points to make. And when you look at it so many episodes were kind of naff and even the better ones were sometimes messy in their execution. It just feels like we are constantly obsessing over what was disposable entertaintment. The same narratives about what is good or bad appears. It is all so tiresome.
Maybe you’re just doing it wrong
“Is thing good or bad? Why do I always have the same conversations?”
No wonder you’re as bored as you are boring
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The conversations do coalesce a lot of the time towards the same points. I think fandom is living too close to the sun and sometimes you get burnt. No doubt my enjoyment of things has waned and that is on me. Calling me boring is just shitty bro and you could have just proven me wrong by starting a new line of conversation. Maybe I'm just depressed.
What are you really looking for
It’s easy to fly over discussion you’ve read a thousand times before
It sounds like you want it to feel important to you again, you want the fire when it was new and exciting
That’s two posts you’ve expressed you aren’t having fun beating a dead horse
Maybe stop treating it like beating a dead horse
Trek has practically everything, the only thing topically better than Trek is real world news and South Park,
Trek is usually intelligent and the format covers a wide variety of topics and themes from Martial Arts,racism , religion, sports, interspecies sex. and parallels to current politics.
I’m here for the sports discussion.
If Quidditch can be a real world sport so can Parisees Squares
What are the rules?
youre too young. its dangerous
Looks like a compact version of American Football and Basketball
Can actual zoomers tolerate watching tng? I can only handle like 1 in 2 episodes of TOS because it has so many cringey old tv cliches like putting the girl of the week in a soft focus shot while a clarinet plays. Are there late 80s tv cliches that are invisible to me that they hate
Zoomers can't tolerate one-and-done shows with aprox. 20 episode seasons at all. Frick zoomers all loved Game of Thrones and most of them couldn't name a characters' proper name outside of some titles like Khaleesi. These shows were also not built for the,
>Epic bad ass moment that gets shared on social media a bunch of times.
Tense moments in ST have nothing like that.
>Deanna Troi
Check out her other work, I think she got them out in Death Watch 3.
Best of both worlds cliffhanger would have killed on social media
If was updated to how to look like it was done now? Maybe so.
Watching Voyager for the first time. I'm a few episodes into S3 right now. It's boring. When does it get better?
These are my usual thoughts on VOY when I do a watch-through
>S1 - mostly bad
>S2 - mostly good
>S3 - awful, terrible
>S4 - good
>S5 - mostly good
>S6 + S7 - mostly bad
Tuvok is the best Voyager.
S2 has this near-uninterrupted run of amazing episodes
>Meld
>Dreadnought
>Death Wish
>Lifesigns
>Deadlock
>Tuvix
>Basics Part I/Part II
but they couldn't keep the quality going into S3. I think Michael Piller leaving is what did it.
15-20th rewatch. hang in there, champ. you can do it
it doesn't
The visitor made me cry, and I am not one to cry at all with movies or tv shows.
rather basic, I know, but the only trek episode to make me shed tears was the inner light
I got full graceful at Canifis while watching TNG. I want to rewatch it but I'm not going to subscribe to some shit streaming service, so I'll probably just eventually buy the box set.
You should always buy the physical media of stuff you like
They scrubbed the best episode of Community because a character dressed like a dark elf
How long before they come fire Code of Honor and that greasy israelite who owned Anakin in Phantom Menace
Code of Honor won’t become lost media. At best there will be a solemn “product of its time” disclaimer before the episode narrated by Whoopi Goldberg.
And another thing. If the actors were so disgusted by the episode, why didn’t they donate their royalties to some African charity? Not every piece of entertainment needs to be held to 2024 media standards. What is acceptable now will in no way be tolerated in 2050. Like I Am Jazz for starters.
Do you remember the Macarena?
I saw the music video on tv the other day, from a simpler time when a dumb repetitive song with a silly dance miraculously united the entire world. Imagine what people would say about a video with a bunch of mixed people smiling and dancing? It’s propaganda, it’s white erasure, the women are showing too much skin.
Something weird is happening to us.
Sometimes going back to old shows like Trek feels like a breath of fresh air, a return to sanity before plunging back into clown world nonsense.
I only own TNG and DS9 on beat-up DVD box sets and I will only ever watch them that way.
rewatching Charlie X and he's really no more socially awkward than the average zoomer
Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.
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Is Star Trek
Anybody else find Riker to be too arrogant and boring?
There's not much interesting about his character.
It would have been a nice bookend if they'd stuck to their guns with his character and it just realistically took him about 7 years to go from first officer to being offered his own command
That’s how I feel about some /trek/ posters
Has anyone ever explained 'why' Code of Honor is racist? I just hear that it is but I don't understand why. (it is however, just a dull, boring episode)
Black man grabs a white woman as part of his cultural thing on a planet of black people and then white woman has to fight and beat black woman. It invokes a lot of old lynching cases where black men were accused of grabbing or flirting with white women and later killed, even when the supposed grabbing or flirting didn't take place. It has that same energy to it.
Trek should have a Mexican planet
>even when the supposed grabbing or flirting didn't take place
>In a Trek thread of all places
>Time to be racist
So do you think Emmett Till deserved it?
>In a Trek thread of all places
Clutch your pearls somewhere else you fricking homosexual
Like clockwork, kek
and of course he brings up the poster child of unjust lynchings, where the shithead basically went around with a chip on his shoulder harassing white women and going "WHAT YOU GONNA DO HONKY, LYNCH ME?" until some of them did.
I'd like to see actual statistics on frontier justice vs jury courts because from what I've seen lynchings usually didn't happen unless the crime was heinous and the perpetrator caught red handed
what concerns me is it's 2024 and real world San Francisco is becoming strangely similar to the Bell Riots of as DS9 Episode
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boy that is a REEEEAAACH.
Is it? I mean it all comes from the same stuff. It is just
>where the white women at
From a planet of black men who use more archaic cultural ideas like counting coup. So it makes them seem backwards and just interested in grabbing a white woman.
The reason why the early episodes of TNG are rough is just because of Wesley's prominence.
Season 1 was so rough because Tasha Yar distracted everyone with her rape gang anecdotes
i wonder if they keep bringing him back for cameos because they feel sorry he has to live with the eternal "shut up wesley" chip on his shoulder
He genuinely loves Trek blindly so he makes for a very functional shill.
does not surprise me in the slightest that he loves nu-trek
Wil Wheaton doesn't appear to care about the memes. he's the definition of geek as he plays Dungeons & Dragons, does cartoon voice acting, and writes comic books. Practically the same as Mark Hamill with less fame
>Wil Wheaton doesn't appear to care about the memes
Doesn't he block anyone who brings it up? Plus, if I recall correctly, he made that entire blogpost about how some fanmade Lego set depicted Wesley as a crybaby. Dude is resentful to this day.
However, I do agree that he is like Mark Hamill in which both are insufferable, washed-up shitlibs; although, Wheaton was never really all that popular in the first place.
I like Luke Skywalker but can't stand Mark Hamill as a liberal activist.
i bet he does get harassed too much by being told "Shut Up Wesley" but I also believe he did enjoy playing the role of Wesley.
oh I have no doubt he enjoyed it, especially when he was roddenberry's golden boy while the latter was still around
My unpopular TNG opinion: I like her more than Crusher (I still like Crusher though).
she looked like a grandma