yes because good writing gives them a lot of suspension of disbelief to work with
GoTG 3 has a down to earth story about abuse and the character who goes through it is a raccoon
James fricking Gunn can do it, some other professional should be able to
Mando season 1 was good.
They managed to capture the same post-apocalyptic space fantasy feeling of the original trilogy that made people love star wars in the first place. That plus original characters that can stand on their own without endless references to previous installments.
The next season as well as the other spin-off shows have convinced me that it was purely accidental.
Andor, every time. I want to see the shit you never get to see beyond the mind wizards and their light sticks. I want to see the galaxy, not a sliver of its population as the major players as the only focus. I want to see the gutters as well as the Senate boxes.
Stellan's character Luthen has been the only one since the OT to make me think the Rebels might have had a justification beyond 'we want the old corrupt government back' mentality. I hope we get to find out why he's so hell-bent on wrecking the Empire, because everything he says or does makes me think there's something very personal about it.
He’s such a great actor, watching him was one of the best parts of the show.
Kino was the character who really shined for me.
I like Filonishit too (or at least I enjoy it) but Andor had excellent writing; I only wish it had been titled “Katarn” instead since we already know Andor’s fate while Kyle Katarn remains a character with more story to tell.
That was my one hang up with the show, and maybe it’s just me, but I just didn’t really give much of a shit about Andor himself since I already know what happens to him. It was the people around him (like Luthen) who I was really invested in.
The turn when Kino was such a hard ass to protect his own interests, to realizing that his own interest was to escape was great
Stellan's character Luthen has been the only one since the OT to make me think the Rebels might have had a justification beyond 'we want the old corrupt government back' mentality. I hope we get to find out why he's so hell-bent on wrecking the Empire, because everything he says or does makes me think there's something very personal about it.
You're probably right, but I felt like his speech made me think it was something he did as a young firebrand and then when he finally stopped to have second thoughts he realized he was in too deep to ever stop.
I liked Andor. I think if something like it had come out immediately after Mando S1, before some of the oversaturation, it would have done bigger numbers. Ahsoka was a reunion show for a cartoon I didn't watch. The actress for Ahsoka just doesn't look or sound like her, and moves like she's underwater, and it really drags everything down.
I actually didn't mind Sabine in her training scenes, and thought the fights she had with Shin were decent. I liked Shin, I like Baylan. Really all I can say for it. If the IP keeps producing Andor quality shows, and is able to pace itself a little, it might have a real chance at healing. If it keeps producing Ahsoka quality shows and at the current pace, I'll be the last Star Wars fan left alive.
>If it keeps producing Ahsoka quality shows and at the current pace, I'll be the last Star Wars fan left alive.
You won't be alone in that walk into the dark night.
Andor was better, but it performed worse, because normies didn't get their hecking lightsabers and Boba Fett cameos. And because it followed several complete failures, like Boba Fett and Mando season 2.
So we're going to get more slop like Ahsoka.
Andor was meant to fill the space after people wouldn't be able to get enough Star Wars after Obi Wan and Boba. Instead it's the only thing people actually liked and barely anybody watched it because the big shows did so horrible
You're too old, cringe for Ahsoka.
Ahsoka was good (even though the ugly chink donned a dike hair cut) on its own, it had our lad Rat Stevenson (RIP) which makes it automatically kino.
>because normies didn't get their hecking lightsabers and Boba Fett cameos
Or maybe because it was fricking boring barring like two episodes and had two likeable characters throughout.
It wasn't interesting and if you didn't have the STAR WARS before it it's impossible to tell it's star wars, or scifi in general because I think it features two aliens in all.
We get slop because that's all the midwits can handle.
Andor, every time. I want to see the shit you never get to see beyond the mind wizards and their light sticks. I want to see the galaxy, not a sliver of its population as the major players as the only focus. I want to see the gutters as well as the Senate boxes.
It's pretty sad that we're only going to get see that in the Star Wars Outlaws video game, and the game is probably going to be dogshit because of course it is.
>Sidelining the protagonist in favor of Bo Katan >IG-11 still partially intact and remembers kill order for Grogu after losing all of that programming in s1 ep1 and detonating an explosive inside his chest cavity in s1 ep8 >Immediately bringing back Grogu but giving him nothing meaningful to do, he's just merch opportunity/mascot >Jack Black and Lizzo >An entire nothingburger episode centered around cloning scientist guy >Gideon brought back as antagonist for the last episode with no real build up to that >Bringing in the three red centurion things from Last Jedi, further souring any goodwill they'd clawed back with Mando s1 and s2
I found the scientist effeminate and cringe, and then the bulldyke honeypot Imperial chick was just flat out unattractive and not pleasant to look at. Leading him to break his probation so easily made him seem naive and mentally deficient, her then actually getting away with it and then being allowed to just mindzap him because the New Republic trusted her makes the New Republic seem so incompetent as to break suspension of disbelief.
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>the New Republic seem so incompetent
Because it is? It's something we keep seeing, after all, even in Ahsoka.
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I agree, that was also a contributing factor that made Ahsoka trash. Most of the long time fans had higher expectations because the New Republic was pretty competent in the X-wing novels, Thrawn Trilogy, etc.
wasn't that the episode where they are walking and eating space ice cream or whatever. this shit bares no resemblance to Star Wars
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It bore more a resemblance than the rest of Mando S3 did to being a Mando season at all.
I agree, that was also a contributing factor that made Ahsoka trash. Most of the long time fans had higher expectations because the New Republic was pretty competent in the X-wing novels, Thrawn Trilogy, etc.
That depiction of the New Republic was torpedoed long ago, you need to accept the new paradigm that the same cancer of the old Republic lived on into the New, and it's doing the same stupid head in the sand indifference shit that made the Separatists seem sane.
7 months ago
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>you need to accept the new paradigm that the same cancer of the old Republic lived on into the New,
Says fricking who, shill?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Says everything being put out since the Wipe. It's the law of the land now, nothing you or I can do about it but ride the line.
7 months ago
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>ride the line
Star Wars is a dead brand. Nobody is riding any line. And you’d be better off talking to girls rather than sucking corporate dick
7 months ago
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I chose this life, sweetcakes, the brand will be dead once I am.
>Tales of the Jedi (Dooku episodes)
These were really underrated, I think people got (understandably) filtered by that terrible baby Ahsoka episode they opened the show with and never got to these.
>I think people got (understandably) filtered by that terrible baby Ahsoka episode they opened the show with
It filtered me for about a day, then I drove onward through the rest. God that was a rancid episode.
I wish the Darth Plagueis book was still canon. It went pretty deep into why Dooku left the Order, and it had everything to do with Jedi indolence and Senate overreach.
X-wing Books, Thrawn trilogy, Jedi Academy trilogy & I, Jedi are pretty legit and cover an empire splintering into factions and disintegrating against an actually half-competent New Republic.
Also enjoyed the Han Solo trilogy and Young Jedi Academy ones were decentish. Tales from the Cantina/Jabba's Palace/Bounty Hunters were fun reads but probably don't take them too seriously.
I would rank the individual parts if the OT and PT so that ESB is in Excellent and the ANH and ROTJ are in Very Good, and TPM and AOTC are in Good with ROTS in Very Good. Maybe push Solo down one tier to Mediocre. Otherwise, this list is spot on.
>The ST literally negated the original 6 movies. That’s the main problem with them. There are a direct attack on the core of the franchise. >Obi-Wan was messy, sure. But it wasn’t designed from top to bottom as a direct assault on the very core of the franchise like the ST was
I suppose it wasn't, although it got close to that at the end when, after explicitly acknowledgign that he doesn't consider Darth Vader to be redeemable or the same person as Anakin, Ob-Wan just leaves him be for no reason instead of killing him. It completely ruins the scene in Return of the Jedi when Luke refuses to kill his dad and Obi-Wan says >then the emperor has already won.
Everything Vader does afterwards becomes Obi-Wan's fault, for zero fricking reason. Even with the unbelievably-moronic plot decision (which was supposedly Filoni's idea) to have Obi-Wan and Vader fight in between III and IV, they could have had Obi-Wan leave the fight to save Luke before he got the chance to kill Vader.
TCW mostly sucks. A lot of it is unwatchably bad, and maybe like 25% of the episodes are even decent. Which is still 25% more than anything that gayloni has made since the Disney acquisition (aside from the Dooku episodes of TotJ I guess).
The bad guys in Ahsoka are absolutely mogging everyone on the good guys side. They have very strong screen presence and great performance for the material the have. Meanwhile Ahsoka and Co. Are absolute boring planks of wood.
>The bad guys in Ahsoka are absolutely mogging everyone on the good guys side.
Thrawn is an absolute joke in terms of accomplishments and actions, you're just being fooled into thinking he's something because his original version from the EU actually is.
>because his original version from the EU actually is
No it isn't. He's written nearly as stupidly by Zahn as he is by Filoni. The only real difference is that Zahn actually knows how human beings talk to each other, so he at least gives Thrawn some decent interactions with other characters.
>The character is written as a moronic and completely unthreatening buffoon. >The makeup job on him is embarrassingly cheap and shoddy-looking. >The voice actor they got to play him in live action has a massive beer gut.
Yes, Thrawn totally has a very strong screen presence.
>Luke Skywalker Died like a Failure there is not Future for Star Wars
I can’t stress THIS enough. You need to fix what you did to Luke Fricking Skywalker or Star Wars has 0.0 future. This is the most important thing….even more important than fixing what you did to Anakin (which it seems like you are trying to do now).
You have to fix Luke. Or this brand will be dead forever
>LE FIX LE LUKE FRICKING LE SKYWALKER!!! >MUH BRAND!!!!!
Star Wars has turned to shit, but the prescription you gays give to make it better is always gay consoomer shit like "give me back my faux-Christ Luke and make him do lots of cool backflips" instead of actually writing interesting stories or hiring people who know how to work a camera.
Jesus Christ, you’re so fricking dumb it’s remarkable.
It has nothing to do with back flips. I hate that shit. It had to do with his place and importance in the narrative, and his achievements. The story and lore has been rewritten by a corporation in a way that negates the original 6 films. Without that core narrative, Star Wars is largely just dumb motion for motion sakes with more bad shows than good ones.
It’s about fixing the core story. Not about back flips
It’s more than just them destroying Luke. The entire post ep6 timeline is complete nonsense. Luke Leia Han are dead, new republic was moronic and got 1shot by a super death laser immediately, all the Jedi are dead. What the frick do you even do with the series anymore?
Viewership is in death spiral because fans have basic pattern recognition.
>Show called Mandalorian, shits on titular Mando while trying to prop up Bo Katan again >Show called Boba Fett, shits on Boba Fett while trying to prop up Fennec Shand >Show called Kenobi, shits on Obi wan Kenobi while trying to prop up Reva >Show called Ahsoka, shits on Ahsoka while trying to prop up Sabine
I'll admit that Andor was an outlier, it didn't really seem to shit on anyone and generally had intelligent writing and characterization.
Hilariously, Andor is probably the least focused on its titular character as any of these, but is better for it. The supporting characters are so good that they could each have their own show.
The New Republic continues on past the ST. It only went into a temporary NR contingency government during the one year the First Order asserted themselves
Not all of Luke’s Jedi Order was destroyed. Maybe a few months before Palpatine sacking the NJO, a couple of Masters on Luke’s council took 20-30 padawans on a mission to find the route to Peridea and got lost. After the ST, that group re-emerges and continues on Luke’s order.
There, now Leia and Luke have a good legacy again.
Rey is a terrible character. She’s an awful substitute for the real thing. The sooner Disney realizes this, the sooner it’s Lucasfilm division starts bringing money in as opposed to always sending it out
They realized it already. They know that nobody gives a shit about Rey aber and that nobody likes her otherwise they would have long produced movies or series or cartoon about her. Disney knows that they fricked up
Awesome, will that be releasing before or after Rian Johnson's new trilogy, Patty Jenkin's Rogue One movie, Taika Waititi's Star Wars project, or the Star Wars films that will be helmed by Game of Thrones showrunners D.B. Weiss and David Benioff?
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Anonymous
Dunno you dumb Black person they just announced the thing
7 months ago
Anonymous
They are making another Rogue One?
7 months ago
Anonymous
All of those projects were cancelled
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, they’re calling it Rogue Two
7 months ago
Anonymous
Didn't everyone die? How would they make another one?
7 months ago
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There were 2 death stars.
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Didn't they use the same plan as the first one though
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Anonymous
Lol. It’s going to flop worse than Dial of Destiny.
7 months ago
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They are probably banking on controversy to fill seats because otherwise I have no idea why they'd think this is a good idea
7 months ago
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>controversy
No one gives a shit. It’ll flop because nobody cares about Rey Palpatine. Literally nobody.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Literally no one believes that
Projects are constantly announced to gauge consumer interest and then quietly cancelled like
Awesome, will that be releasing before or after Rian Johnson's new trilogy, Patty Jenkin's Rogue One movie, Taika Waititi's Star Wars project, or the Star Wars films that will be helmed by Game of Thrones showrunners D.B. Weiss and David Benioff?
pointed out because it costs them nothing and keeps their brand name trending and relevant
>make a movie showing that Iron Man is the biggest piece of shit that ever lived and ran the Avengers into the ground and spend two hours showing him as a idiotic drunken liar. And then at the end give him a 2 min action scene.
- What a great ending!!!!™ I can’t wait for Riri Williams’ Ironheart to solve every problem in one day and get 12 movies explaining why she’s da best!!!™ We need to move on guise!! Especially by doing 40 years of Ironheart content!!!
I'm not shilling. I just don't know what you're referring to. Not warning Luke about the Emperor's spooky plans makes him look like an idiot, but nothing Disney's done so far has addressed that to my knowledge.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Somehow, Palpatine returned
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Anonymous
The entire Saga led up to Anakin killing the Emperor to bring balance to the force. Anakin sacrificed himself for his son, after his son (Luke) sacrificed himself for his father (by choosing death over killing his father).
All of that poetry undone do Corporate Rey could girlboss Palpatine with a forceisfemale magic beam™
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>Anakin sacrificed himself for his son, after his son (Luke) sacrificed himself for his father (by choosing death over killing his father).
This still happens. It doesn't impact Anakin as an actual character. It does undermine the prophecy, but the prophecy was always a moronic addition to the story (and Lucas would have undermined it too). Bringing back the Emperor was bad for a lot of reasons, but it doesn't really impact Anakin other than the foreknowledge problem.
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The Last Jedi is a bad movie and Rey Palpatine is a bad character. Probably the worst character in modern film history. That’s axiomatic at this point.
George Lucas wanted Anakin as chosen one to be his story. That’s his right. He created the universe. Once he settled on that as his story for his Saga, Disney altering that after the fact does directly diminish Anakin’s story.
This is because Anakin went through literal hell to get to this point. His killing of Palpatine was the essential apex moment of his journey. Resurrecting Palpatine trivializes the entire saga, and Anakin’s importance and redemption.
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Everything after George Lucas is corporate fanfiction.
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Anonymous
>The Last Jedi is a bad movie and Rey Palpatine is a bad character.
I agree. I don't think that's relevant here, though. >George Lucas wanted Anakin as chosen one to be his story.
Until he changed his mind, as he did about lots of things. >Resurrecting Palpatine trivializes the entire saga, and Anakin’s importance and redemption.
His importance maybe, but I don't think it hurts his redemption. It does make the structure of the saga feel less centered on Anakin, but that was a door Lucas opened himself and was frankly baked into the idea of a trilogy of numbered sequels to begin with.
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It does hurt his redemption, though.
Anakin did a lot of terrible shit. Killing the unstoppable Tyrant who enslaved the galaxy for all times is a strong move towards rectifying his (Anakin’s) past mistakes.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Lucas didn’t have very strong ideas or very strong conviction for his Sequel Trilogy outline. Having said that, it’s still better than what we got from Abramz & Kennedy.
If there was even to be a “Sequel Trilogy” it should have been about finishing what was stated in the original 6 films. It should have been the story of Leia building a fairer New Republic, and Luke building a more noble, less political New Jedi Order. Along the way towards these lofty goals, the dark truth about Vader being Luke and Leia’s father should have been leaked to the public, causing a major scandal and seeing both of these celebrated heroes and leaders exiled from the system they saved and built.
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>Lucas didn’t have very strong ideas or very strong conviction for his Sequel Trilogy outline.
Of course not. He would've kept changing his mind until the movie was out. But think of it this way: if Darth Maul is still kicking and Leia is the Chosen One it trivializes Anakin and the Emperor both. If instead he went with some other big bad Dark Side Uber it also would have effectively reduced his significance just like TFA did. We would've had an evil organization led by some red lightsaber dorks just the same. This is also partly why the prophecy was a stupid idea.
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Lucas meant “the chosen one” for the ST. He didn’t mean for the prophecy necessarily. He just meant Leia was the main character of the ST.
There is no way a Jedi prophecy applies to temporary political arrangements. Lucas often paid lip service to whatever pop culture political idea was trendy that year.
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>He didn’t mean for the prophecy necessarily.
If Darth Maul is alive the prophecy wasn't fulfilled by Anakin.
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Anonymous
Maul wasn’t a Sith. He was meant to be a gangster or a warlord. Maul actually became an interesting character on Clone Wars/ Rebels.
The issue is that full Power Luke Skywalker would destroy Maul in about 6 seconds. So in order for Maul to be a proper villain, he’d need some other interesting stuff going on.
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>Maul wasn’t a Sith. >DARTH Maul who would have had an apprentice DARTH Talon was not a Sith
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He’s been called Maul since the Clone Wars. He even says he is no Sith in that show.
Lucas calling him Darth Maul is some funny shit though.
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Does it really matter, though? He's an evil Dark Side dick with a red lightsaber and an apprentice with a red lightsaber, and he was trained by a Sith. >Well Maul doesn't identify as Sith :^)
is a kind of near-immaculate hackery. He was a Sith.
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Anonymous
It's like Lucas calling lightsaber a laser sword and gungans GOONGAS.
But that's right, he wasn't a Sith in his ST, but a crime lord. Sidious denounced his Sith status, too: "Remember, the first and only reality of the Sith: there can only be two. And you are no longer my apprentice. You have been replaced."
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>But that's right, he wasn't a Sith in his ST, but a crime lord.
That's like saying Sidious wasn't a Sith, but a politician.
Andor does what Star Wars never did before. It feels REAL. You feel like you live in that universe and understand how it all works. The PT touched on that a little, but not enough. Andor gave characters too
These action CGI slopshows like Ahsoka and Mando are all shit. That do the same thing and just feel like filler with the same ending each time. It's shit.
OT felt real too. It wasn't that heavy with space magic actually. In ANH the Force barely appeared, in Empire Luke was just learning to use it in bumfrick nowhere while we followed Han, Leia and Lando all without force and magic
It also made the Empire actually feel overbearing and truly evil for once. Something that can't be endured forever. I have never rooted for the rebellion like I have in Andor.
Shows like Ahsoka, but centered on Luke, Han, and Leia following Return of the Jedi. I don't want to learn to love new characters. I just want Luke Skywalker. All this Star Wars shit and almost no Luke Skywalker. Not my Star Wars
They have about 35 YEARS worth of stories to tell. We’ve only seen them as. teenagers starting out, and 70-somethings coming out of retirement for one more adventure.
95% of their true story has been told.
And why are you not complaining Ahsoka being put in 12 shows over decades with no end in sight?? Virtually every character in the saga has more screen/ page time than Leia/ Luke.
>And why are you not complaining Ahsoka being put in 12 shows over decades with no end in sight??
Because everyone else has done that for me. I already subscribe to the mindset that Ahsoka never existed in the first place, but if she HAD to be inflicted on the story, hers should have ended before the events of ANH.
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Anonymous
Her encounter with Vader in Rebels was well done (until she survived it), and would have been the perfect place to end her story
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Anonymous
I’m legitimately interested in seeing the Big 3 in their prime. Not to the exclusion of other characters or shows, (those should certainly continue on) but in addition to.
Luke is supposed to be the most powerful/ greatest Jedi of all time. Why can’t we see that? He went around the galaxy finding hundreds of sacred archives including all of the “Sacred Jedi Texts”. That’s a great show right there. Indiana Jones meets Star Wars. It’s a great way to learn about the lore and galaxy. I’d like to see his Jedi Order at its peak with Ben, and hundreds of young Jedi, etc battling new factions.
I want to see Leia and Han in a House of Cards/ Andor type show about the politics of the New Republic and dealing with expanding the size of the New Republic while dealing with spies and enemies (foreign and domestic).
All While being a power couple
I’d like a high quality version of Kotor and going far into the future too. None of this shit is a binary one vs.another scenario.
Also, give Rey her own story and stop stealing Luke’s
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>I’d like a high quality version of Kotor
you're begging for death
I like Andor because it directly connects to Rogue One and that directly connects to the OT. The story is like a baton passed from one story to another so you actually feel like the Andor and Rogue One characters helped the OT to get where they are
>Luke Skywalker Died like a Failure there is not Future for Star Wars
I can’t stress THIS enough. You need to fix what you did to Luke Fricking Skywalker or Star Wars has 0.0 future. This is the most important thing….even more important than fixing what you did to Anakin (which it seems like you are trying to do now).
You have to fix Luke. Or this brand will be dead forever
they seriously fricked up by not letting Luke pass the baton to the next generation
Nostalgia gays like you are what caused the NT to be so dogwater
You guys just want the OT again so they threw in every last thing they could to please you
palpatine, the falcon, new sith, wanking everything even mentioned in the OT
that was for gays like you
I don’t watch Star Wars on D+. I’m not a man child. I’d like them to do more shows like Andor and move around the timeline.
But I’d like a show about the Big 3 in their prime and it doesn’t have to be anything like the OT or nostalgic at all. Make it distinct and different. I just think it’s an interesting time period and would help Disney rebuild the trust with fans.
>Jedi shit with exotic aliens and worlds? Animation only.
Was only done in TCW because George Lucas pushed the funding to make it interesting and ambitious. Star Wars cartoons under Disney have been cheap garbage like Rebels, where almost the whole first season takes place on one boring planet and molds/assets are reused to an embarrassing degree.
This. Star Wars was never good, will never be good and can't be good. Andor is an exception because it's a non Star Wars story with the Star Wars name on it. Tony Gilroy had an already good story he wanted to tell and just used Star Wars as vehicle, but he could have told the same story in the Cyberpunk 2077 universe
>Mace Windu crushes general grievous's ribcage at the end to explain why he's a jobber in RotS >Nu-clone wars just has him be a jobber the whole time
still disappointed
>Orange buttcheeks won't train literal baby yoda because he has attachments >Orange buttcheeks wants to train danger hair quirky artist dyke who is demonstrably fixated on Ezra
>Space Elon Musk is 500IQ genius super threat >Space Elon Musk spends tie fighters, several platoons of voodoo troopers, pair of hired dark jedi, fanatically loyal witch, and an entire minefield to buy time to load macguffin coffins >That he forgot to load onto the ship during his ten year extragalactic vacay and had to hurry to do at the last minute for manufactured tension >Accomplished nothing but getting back to the SW main galaxy after a ten year vacay >Nu Republic is shown to be nothing but women and morons anyways so zero viewers care about the stakes
buttcheeks won't train literal baby yoda because he has attachments
buttcheeks wants to train danger hair quirky artist dyke who is demonstrably fixated on Ezra
Mandalorian S2 episode happened before the Ahsoka show. By that time, Ahsoka had already left Sabine and stopped training her. Thus, her not wanting to train baby yoda is consistent.
So is orange cheeks a moron for believing purple hair dyke about not being obsessively (but also platonically lmao) attached to Ezra? Because she just hands the map macguffin over to Ray Stevenson and surrenders directly after watching cheeks get btfo
Yes, she is a moron. The writers are blind to their own liberal bias, this is why you get things like the Armorer telling Mando he is a Mandalorian no more when he takes off his helmet, but when Bo Katan does it, she 'walks both worlds' and can unite the clans. It's okay when General Hera disobeys orders and gets pilots killed on an unsanctioned mission that gives zero results, it's completely fine when Sabine facilitates the return of Grand Admiral Thrawn and she doesn't even deserve a smack on the wrist—because OMG BUT THINK ABOUT HER FEELINGS!!1
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Anonymous
Real people aren't consistent, and they rationalize constantly. You're mistaking your autism for their bad writing.
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Anonymous
>They're supposed to act moronic, that's how people in real life are, you're autistic if you don't turn off your brain and clap for the jangling keys
I tell you this as a friend, please spend some time and consider necking yourself.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why would I neck myself because some stranger on Cinemaphile dot org has autism? You don't make any sense friend.
Yeah. The last two episodes jumped the shark and Sabine didn't face any consequences for her actions. It doesn't seem that she even told Ezra about it. Ahsoka knows that what she did was selfish, she said so at the beginning of ep 6, IIRC. "What she did, she did for herself. She went with the enemy willingly." It's okay for Ahsoka to forgive her, but she should have told her something like, "Sabine, what you did was selfish and you did it for yourself, greed attachment is a dangerous road, yada yada yada..." As it stands, it seems that the b***h fricked everything up and got away with it without even having a lecture on it, neither from Ahsoka nor from Ezra. The intention is that she seems to have understood it on her own and feels bad about it, culminating in her choosing to say behind and let Ezra go home, instead of abandoning Ahsoka when she was fighting those goons. But they should have definitely talked over it, and the story should not have glossed over Ezra's feelings about Sabine effectively undoing his sacrifice.
tl;dr: the overall story is fine, the script, however, needs some serious work, as filoni is more of an ideas man and can't write for shit
>Thus, her not wanting to train baby yoda is consistent.
But she has no problem resuming Sabine's training here. In fact she's completely let off the hook for risking the entire galaxy for Ezra.
Also Ahsoka is a hypocrite because she herself is obviously attached to Sabine and Ezra, she's spent years trying to find him.
I am not a huge Andor fan because its somewhat constrained by the Star Wars setting rather than striving to be a serious sci-fi political drama, it was way better than Ahsoka which was boring and filled with mary sues. Ahsoka felt very safe and boring to me, it really didn't add anything to the characterization of these established characters, other than that Sabine becomes more cooparative with Ahsoka? Ahsoka meets Anakin and learns what? Its like nothing of significance was decided for the characters, only Sati's arc was kinda interesting, but we barely saw her. In general it felt all over the place. Thrawn was also saturday cartoon vilain once again, huge missed opportunity to add nuance to the empire antagonists which existed in Andor.
I was more interested and engaged with a single scene where this random guy wants to help Mon Mothma cheat on her taxes than I was the entirety of Ahsoka
Anime fight shows suck. Idk why that show is so praised. I thought the animation was cringe and overexaggerated. Mace windu punching through a Droid thats able to withstand multiple blaster shots? That shit belongs on DragonBall series
More like Ahoska >Cute girls >Lots of ass shots >Excellent fights >Ship combat >Builds on the world
Andor >Commie gobbledyasiatic >Muh oppressed ambiguous brown people >No action >No world building >Back investing on a dead character so maybe if you accidentally watch Rogue One again you'll care when he dies
It's shit as a Star Wars and as a film itself. It throws a merry band of characters at you and doesn't make an effort to develop a single one and then tries to make you feel something my unceremoniously killing them all off. It essentially fails on even the most basic level of film tenets.
Shin looks like a meth addict, Mew is walling hard and even prosthetics and being caked in makeup can't hide it, and Sabine looks like Ezra Miller's moronic little brother
Ashoka is doing some very interesting stuff with the lore (Mortis Gods, Peridea). Also, it seems like the Ashoka show may be setting up a way to fix the damage done to the Skywalkers in Kennedy’s corporate Trilogy. That would help fix some parts of Star Wars if they pull it off properly.
I think they are setting up a battle between Abeloth (who Baylon will accidentally release) and Luke in the Filoni movie
More shows like Mando Season One. Give us a slice of life in a part of the galaxy we've never seen before. Show us something NEW. That was Lucas's old method, and it still works.
Baylon and Shin were great. The whole Mortis/ Abeloth set up could be great (especially if they do Abeloth vs Luke). Thrawn and Ezra were well cast. I hope they use Thrawn better in the future .
Andor, I guess. If those are my only two choices. This goes for all Star Wars after the original trilogy where the original gives you this small taste of a Galaxy far far away and every attempt to ad on to it ignores the shit in the original. I feel like every Jedi you see they take as an opportunity to show this brand new force power that no one ever did before they never expand on any of the aliens in any movie or show, just make new aliens for every show. It's crazy but they've taken this rich creative wonder inspiring premise and make it more and more shallow with each new entry.
Andor was largely carried by the actors and some strong moments but at least I felt like it built on informed me more about the intricacies of the empire and the rebellion pretty well instead of throwing more random shit at a wall to see if anything sticks.
>More 0/10 gayloni/gayreau dogshit, or more 4/10 slop like Trandor?
Andor sucks less, but still sucks and is only getting any positive attention because everything else is so abysmal. None of these shows should be considered acceptable quality.
Andor is shit overrated xoomerbait, but Ahsoka was completely pointless and squandered literally everything interesting it introduced. So Andor wins hands down
It panders to Gen X because their idea of "what star wars feels like" is set in stone as the OT movies, because they saw them as kids. This kind of pandering led to the concept of the entire ST, which was obviously a bust, and it led to Mando and Solo and Andor.
There's nothing fundamentally bad about it. It's only bad by association, because it leads to things like force mysticism and space fantasy to be downplayed, which are IMO the strengths of Star Wars over a lot of other sci fi.
Now to be fair, Ahsoka verged more on mysticism and a Prequel-style glimpse at the ivory tower politics, and it was pretty bad. So it's probably better for current Disney to do OT rehashes, which are thematically easier.
I was being an butthole, but I do think Andor is overrated. Jedi: Survivor is probably the best Star Wars product since the Disney takeover IMO
Ahsoka is Space Wizards ruin Star Wars making it a moron happy hour again... but the worst is the OST... the most talentless deranged annoying filler heard in years
The only redeeming point is how Rosaio Dawson fails to do convincing acrobatics because of her massive boobs
Andor, purely because it doesn't require you to see half a dozen other shows to enjoy and understand it.
Ahsoka is a followup to Rebels and the Mandalorian. The former is a follow up to Clone Wars and the latter is followed up by Book of Boba Fett. It's so fricking tiring.
Andor at most expects you to watch one halfway decent move.
It was plain as day going in that Ahsoka’s biggest hurdle was going to be the fact that you don’t give a shit about Ahsoka unless you saw The Clone Wars, and you don’t give a shit about anyone else in the show unless you saw Rebels.
I went from hating Asoka to tolerating her by the time she left the Clone Wars. I think the best thing they could've done with her was to have her die trying to redeem Vader in Rebels. It's clear to me that Disney and Filoni turned her into the face of Star Wars girl power (after Rey failed), and any criticism is met with a large serving of 'memberberries.
i liked the star wars occult shit in Ahsoka and the introduction of extended universe characters like Thrawn
Leagues better than Disney's OC first order crap.
Sabine sucks. Her force push was idiotic asspull garbage. Anakin doting on Ashoka instead of Leia/ Luke is garbage. Kathleen Kennedy can’t fricking stop stealing shit from the EU and the Skywalker Twins.
Andor is more interesting Star Wars because it (mostly) just shows regular, ordinary people that generally do not have a 'protagonist halo' or plot armor protecting them.
During the Aldahni heist we're introduced to this team of characters, several of which--hell, MOST of which die throughout the operation. Are they dramatic, heroic, overblown emotional death sequences with slow mo and tearful reaction screaming from the others? No, not really. They just DIE. Just like that, shot by completely ordinary troops in a basic firefight or with a back broken as unsecured cargo shifted or whatnot.
Likewise during the prison complex escape, we see several of the recognizable characters that were part of Cassian's table just... DIE. Why did they die? They were shot. What noble sacrifice or heavy cost on the enemy did they enact with their deaths? None, really.
In the finale, where emotions are high and a funeral procession turns into an impromptu riot, when the Imperial Officer shouts "Open fire!" It just starts to turn into a massacre. Supporting characters we recognize begin dying left and right to STORMTROOPERS, whose reputation throughout Star Wars content had become increasingly flanderized until they were stereotyped as worthless mooks who can't hit anything. Well, no shit they couldn't hit anything, they were shooting at MAIN HERO CHARACTERS all that time. Jedi, famous pilots, princesses.
Andor peeling away bits of that protagonist halo and letting us see what it would be like for ordinary folk thrust into times of rebellion is just way more fricking interesting, it harks back to the opening of ANH where Stormtroopers slaughter the rebel fleet troopers attempting to defend the Tantive. Tension and stakes are reintroduced and you start to care about what's going on again, because everyone on screen isn't sleepwalking through their challenges knowing every win is handwaved through and every difficulty or obstacle is a farce.
>Andor peeling away bits of that protagonist halo and letting us see what it would be like for ordinary folk thrust into times of rebellion is just way more fricking interesting, it harks back to the opening of ANH where Stormtroopers slaughter the rebel fleet troopers attempting to defend the Tantive. Tension and stakes are reintroduced and you start to care about what's going on again, because everyone on screen isn't sleepwalking through their challenges knowing every win is handwaved through and every difficulty or obstacle is a farce.
wdym? they were escorting dedra, death troopers are always shown to be escorting high ranking imperials
it's stupid that one jobbed to andor in the most stupid way, and the other just disappeared somehow
Does it matter? They havent ever done anything remotely bad ass, as far as anyone can tell they are just the same as normal stormtroopers with cool armor
>Does it matter?
Yes. Power dynamics are important and set consistency. >They havent ever done anything remotely bad ass, as far as anyone can tell they are just the same as normal stormtroopers with cool armor
They're supposed to be super elite commandos. Just use regular stormtroopers then if you want them to job.
>Yes. Power dynamics are important and set consistency.
They have consistently done nothing to earn a fearsome reputation >They're supposed to be super elite commandos.
According to all the background fan shit, nothing in any of the live action shit has shown them do anything except job or stand around
They're a symptom of and also contribute to the flanderization of stormtroopers. When poor writing has the enemy soldiers unable to achieve anything against main characters, troopers get flanderized into being worthless. Then, even more bad writers come in and try to "fix" the problem by introducing a new, bigger badder stormtrooper... only those are also facing off against protagonists protected by the plot and wind up seeming like useless mooks as well.
By rights, it kind of does, given the fluff we have about Death Troopers and who rates having them on their entourage. Now they're becoming commonplace because of overuse.
I actually agree, would have preferred they were shown to have done more. Would also have been neat to see Vel and Luthen do more--they're diehard rebels and I expected them to take advantage of the chaos to do inflict as much damage on the Imperials there as possible. At least the one chick stabbed a guy. I guess the other two were focused on finding Andor still, but... with them not even accomplishing that it starts to feel like they were just there because it was the finale of the show.
Luthen had no reason to be there after he had an engagement with the Imperial patrol fleet the day before on that very ship that he used to arrive to Imperial occupied Ferrix, and he had already dispatched two deadly assassins to take out Cassian. He had no reason to come to Ferrix and put himself in danger, when he was shown to be an extremely cautious man. The only reason he was there and the only reason he parked at the exact same spot out of all the places on a fricking planet is so that he and Cassian could get together. The finale was kinda contrived bs.
Ehh, I'd say "deadly assassins" is a bit of a stretch. The lesbo couple there was for sure fanatical for the cause, but even the Aldahni heist didn't lead anyone to believe they were particularly professionals. Cassian was specifically brought onto their team in the first place there because Luthen recognized his team there was super loyal to the cause but not really measuring up in the necessary skillsets.
Makes sense to me for Luthen to want to take care of it personally to make sure it gets done right.
>Ehh, I'd say "deadly assassins" is a bit of a stretch.
Not really. They are more than capable to kill, as was shown a number of times. >Makes sense to me for Luthen to want to take care of it personally to make sure it gets done right.
Now Luthen, on the other hand, is just an old man. I don't see how he could do the job better than his two assassins. And again, the problem is that he shows up in person after fighting the Imperial patrol fleet and taking it out. The Empire knows he is out there. The Empire knows his ship and its description. And considering that his ship is one of a kind, it's doubly stupid. And he parked at the exact same spot as before only so that Cassian could find him in the end. They really wanted to tie everything on Ferrix in the big epic finale, but some of it ended up being really contrived.
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Bro, how tf can you watch Andor and then just consider Luthen "just an old man"
We don't know what his story is and maybe we never will, but he's obviously well versed in spywork, counterintelligence, and insurgency. He pretty much had to have been someone ex-military from the Clone Wars, who knows which side but 100% was deep in some cloak and dagger operations
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When it comes to CQC and taking a capable young buck such as Cassian, he is a frail old man.
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Maybe, time will tell. I think pretty fair odds Cass will be forced to kill Luthen in season two. We know Luthen's gotta disappear between now and Rogue One, and a noble sacrifice doesn't really fit the morally gray narrative they've been constructing for him.
>I expected them to take advantage of the chaos to do inflict as much damage on the Imperials there as possible
Why? They're big-picture people and they're still trying to stay in the dark.
Prison and Heist arcs were good. The finale was dumb and contrived. It was also especially stupid how Marva beyond the grave and that Hispanic kid with a pipe bomb started a revolution, and then just bailed the frick out, leaving the rest of Ferrix to the Empire. They are all fricked now. Empire will frick them all up. And they just ran away after Cassian bailed his mindfricked gf. It was incredibly stupid and selfish.
Andor. I am tired of the Jedi, the Sith and lightsabers. I have no desire in watching Ahsoka or any other star wars goyslop they produce.
I might be interested in a Sith POV story but Disney would frick it up somehow.
>Star Wars certainly has split into fiefdoms.
Hasn't it always? It's just the material is higher-profile now that it's TV shows instead of novels and comics.
I don't want all of Star Wars to look or feel like Andor but I wish all of Star Wars had that level of care put into it. Ahsoka is hollow trash that exists to kill time.
Most of what makes Andor good is that there aren't too many forced ebin female characters. There's Casian's mom, and she is the worst part of the show, but other than that the female characters are well-written.
Ashoka is a bland unchanging corporate empowerment character written and run by a guy who should be selling neon screenprinted KISS t-shirts down at the Swap-Mart.
Filoni just isn’t a bright man. He doesn’t elevate material. He’s not a Tony Gilroy, or a Nicholas Meyer or even a Christopher Nolan. He’s a Saturday morning cartoon staff writer on his best day.
>He’s a Saturday morning cartoon staff writer on his best day.
yeah its such a tragedy, and they are about to give him his own movies and his own new galaxy... Star Wars will be completely unrecognizable very soon.
Yeah, I agree. When it's about the actual early Empire, its politics, transformation from the Republic, and Crosshair - it's actually amazing. Omega and shitty filler missions detract from that - it honestly feels like fricking executive meddling to have a mandatory kid character. But now that they are no longer mercenaries and Omega was kidnapped by the Empire, I expect season 3 to be a lot more focused and consistently relevant.
Frick off Disney, not gonna work for you for free.
For the record, I don't think this is terrible. It's sporadically interesting - Rich Evans on The Last Jedi
>So you kids want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?
That's the actual average Star Wars fan
literally what this board is like 24/7 and yes I know that's the point
yes because good writing gives them a lot of suspension of disbelief to work with
GoTG 3 has a down to earth story about abuse and the character who goes through it is a raccoon
James fricking Gunn can do it, some other professional should be able to
Mando season 1 was good.
They managed to capture the same post-apocalyptic space fantasy feeling of the original trilogy that made people love star wars in the first place. That plus original characters that can stand on their own without endless references to previous installments.
The next season as well as the other spin-off shows have convinced me that it was purely accidental.
more basedface goyslop or le actual REAL star wars redditor bait?
i dont know anon, how about you kys
Andor, every time. I want to see the shit you never get to see beyond the mind wizards and their light sticks. I want to see the galaxy, not a sliver of its population as the major players as the only focus. I want to see the gutters as well as the Senate boxes.
S2 better now blow it I swear to frick.
*not
Stellan's character Luthen has been the only one since the OT to make me think the Rebels might have had a justification beyond 'we want the old corrupt government back' mentality. I hope we get to find out why he's so hell-bent on wrecking the Empire, because everything he says or does makes me think there's something very personal about it.
He’s such a great actor, watching him was one of the best parts of the show.
Kino was the character who really shined for me.
I like Filonishit too (or at least I enjoy it) but Andor had excellent writing; I only wish it had been titled “Katarn” instead since we already know Andor’s fate while Kyle Katarn remains a character with more story to tell.
That was my one hang up with the show, and maybe it’s just me, but I just didn’t really give much of a shit about Andor himself since I already know what happens to him. It was the people around him (like Luthen) who I was really invested in.
The turn when Kino was such a hard ass to protect his own interests, to realizing that his own interest was to escape was great
You're probably right, but I felt like his speech made me think it was something he did as a young firebrand and then when he finally stopped to have second thoughts he realized he was in too deep to ever stop.
Why would it be named Katarn? He isn't in Andor at all
Stop being gays
Why would the show that doesn't have Katarn in it be named Katarn?
...maybe
Lol they're gonna turn Luthen into an evil Trump standin, why do you think Cassian seemed so jaded in Rogue One
Neither. Let it die.
More spy dramas like Andor, and more space-westerns like Mando... the rest can go in the trash.
Ideally? Shows like Ahsoka with competent writers and producers brave enough to blow up the homosexual Volume. Realistically? Andor.
I liked Andor. I think if something like it had come out immediately after Mando S1, before some of the oversaturation, it would have done bigger numbers. Ahsoka was a reunion show for a cartoon I didn't watch. The actress for Ahsoka just doesn't look or sound like her, and moves like she's underwater, and it really drags everything down.
I actually didn't mind Sabine in her training scenes, and thought the fights she had with Shin were decent. I liked Shin, I like Baylan. Really all I can say for it. If the IP keeps producing Andor quality shows, and is able to pace itself a little, it might have a real chance at healing. If it keeps producing Ahsoka quality shows and at the current pace, I'll be the last Star Wars fan left alive.
>If it keeps producing Ahsoka quality shows and at the current pace, I'll be the last Star Wars fan left alive.
You won't be alone in that walk into the dark night.
You're obese, quit typing.
Go back to Mexico you wet bakkk.
"Andor good"
Ah, yes. Spikkks in space is a really, really cool.
Andor was better, but it performed worse, because normies didn't get their hecking lightsabers and Boba Fett cameos. And because it followed several complete failures, like Boba Fett and Mando season 2.
So we're going to get more slop like Ahsoka.
Andor was meant to fill the space after people wouldn't be able to get enough Star Wars after Obi Wan and Boba. Instead it's the only thing people actually liked and barely anybody watched it because the big shows did so horrible
Obi Wan was so forgettable, I forgot to mention it in my post.
You're too old, cringe for Ahsoka.
Ahsoka was good (even though the ugly chink donned a dike hair cut) on its own, it had our lad Rat Stevenson (RIP) which makes it automatically kino.
I also think there was an advertising failure - I'm a Star Wars fan and I didn't even know Andor was out until I saw a thread here.
>because normies didn't get their hecking lightsabers and Boba Fett cameos
Or maybe because it was fricking boring barring like two episodes and had two likeable characters throughout.
It wasn't interesting and if you didn't have the STAR WARS before it it's impossible to tell it's star wars, or scifi in general because I think it features two aliens in all.
>I think it features two aliens in all.
They were all over it, you just didn't watch. Disingenuous shit.
>boring
if you werent on the edge of your seat the entire season you have the brain of a child.
I thought only 1.2M people had watched Ahsoka though
1.2 million households, not people
OK, but isn’t that still worse than Andor?
It's pretty bad but not andor bad. Both shows flopped.
We get slop because that's all the midwits can handle.
It's pretty sad that we're only going to get see that in the Star Wars Outlaws video game, and the game is probably going to be dogshit because of course it is.
Mando S2 wasn't a failure, people ate that shit up.
S3 on the other hand got panned and had a terrible view count in comparison to the last 2 seasons.
Mando S2 was pretty good overall. Mando S3 was a disaster
>S3 on the other hand got panned
by anyone other than virgins screeching about women? no? i guess it wasnt panned then
Do you base your opinions off what "professional" critics and review sites say?
More the 'they shifted Mando to a supporting role in his own show' gripes, which have merit because Mando S3 was the Bo Katan show.
Yeah it's definitely the incels and not
>Sidelining the protagonist in favor of Bo Katan
>IG-11 still partially intact and remembers kill order for Grogu after losing all of that programming in s1 ep1 and detonating an explosive inside his chest cavity in s1 ep8
>Immediately bringing back Grogu but giving him nothing meaningful to do, he's just merch opportunity/mascot
>Jack Black and Lizzo
>An entire nothingburger episode centered around cloning scientist guy
>Gideon brought back as antagonist for the last episode with no real build up to that
>Bringing in the three red centurion things from Last Jedi, further souring any goodwill they'd clawed back with Mando s1 and s2
>>An entire nothingburger episode centered around cloning scientist guy
I actually liked that episode the best out of the season.
I found the scientist effeminate and cringe, and then the bulldyke honeypot Imperial chick was just flat out unattractive and not pleasant to look at. Leading him to break his probation so easily made him seem naive and mentally deficient, her then actually getting away with it and then being allowed to just mindzap him because the New Republic trusted her makes the New Republic seem so incompetent as to break suspension of disbelief.
>the New Republic seem so incompetent
Because it is? It's something we keep seeing, after all, even in Ahsoka.
I agree, that was also a contributing factor that made Ahsoka trash. Most of the long time fans had higher expectations because the New Republic was pretty competent in the X-wing novels, Thrawn Trilogy, etc.
wasn't that the episode where they are walking and eating space ice cream or whatever. this shit bares no resemblance to Star Wars
It bore more a resemblance than the rest of Mando S3 did to being a Mando season at all.
That depiction of the New Republic was torpedoed long ago, you need to accept the new paradigm that the same cancer of the old Republic lived on into the New, and it's doing the same stupid head in the sand indifference shit that made the Separatists seem sane.
>you need to accept the new paradigm that the same cancer of the old Republic lived on into the New,
Says fricking who, shill?
Says everything being put out since the Wipe. It's the law of the land now, nothing you or I can do about it but ride the line.
>ride the line
Star Wars is a dead brand. Nobody is riding any line. And you’d be better off talking to girls rather than sucking corporate dick
I chose this life, sweetcakes, the brand will be dead once I am.
Disney execs just can't help themselves, they had a good thing going and they just had to frick with it
It was down about -40% in viewership, and a lot of the fan base found it plodding and dumb.
a good mix of everthing
They literally just stole his show for Kenobi
>Excellent
The OT
>Very Good
Andor
>Good
Rogue One
The PT (for creativity & world building)
Solo
Clone Wars
Best parts of the EU
Tales of the Jedi (Dooku episodes)
>Mediocre
Rebels
Ahsoka
Bad Batch
>Bad
Book of Boba Fett
Resistance Cartoon
Obi-Wan Kenobi
>Absolute Fricking Garbage
The “Sequel” Trilogy
This sounds like an objectively correct opinion though I'd rank solo as mid
>Tales of the Jedi (Dooku episodes)
These were really underrated, I think people got (understandably) filtered by that terrible baby Ahsoka episode they opened the show with and never got to these.
>I think people got (understandably) filtered by that terrible baby Ahsoka episode they opened the show with
It filtered me for about a day, then I drove onward through the rest. God that was a rancid episode.
They were mid
didnt explain enough why dooks fell
Agreed. I expected more of them
I wish the Darth Plagueis book was still canon. It went pretty deep into why Dooku left the Order, and it had everything to do with Jedi indolence and Senate overreach.
>didnt explain enough why dooks fell
did you even watch?
Are you low IQ?
>mid
Twitter zoomtard. That explains everything.
best parts of the eu are at least very good
X-wing Books, Thrawn trilogy, Jedi Academy trilogy & I, Jedi are pretty legit and cover an empire splintering into factions and disintegrating against an actually half-competent New Republic.
Also enjoyed the Han Solo trilogy and Young Jedi Academy ones were decentish. Tales from the Cantina/Jabba's Palace/Bounty Hunters were fun reads but probably don't take them too seriously.
I would rank the individual parts if the OT and PT so that ESB is in Excellent and the ANH and ROTJ are in Very Good, and TPM and AOTC are in Good with ROTS in Very Good. Maybe push Solo down one tier to Mediocre. Otherwise, this list is spot on.
Obi-Wan show was as bad if not worse than the ST. Utterly worthless garbage, virtually every element of it was embarrassingly bad.
>9933
Nice.
But no. The ST literally negated the original 6 movies. That’s the main problem with them. There are a direct attack on the core of the franchise.
Obi-Wan was messy, sure. But it wasn’t designed from top to bottom as a direct assault on the very core of the franchise like the ST was
Anything labelled Star Wars post-2012 isn’t at all related to Star Wars. Deal with it.
>The ST literally negated the original 6 movies. That’s the main problem with them. There are a direct attack on the core of the franchise.
>Obi-Wan was messy, sure. But it wasn’t designed from top to bottom as a direct assault on the very core of the franchise like the ST was
I suppose it wasn't, although it got close to that at the end when, after explicitly acknowledgign that he doesn't consider Darth Vader to be redeemable or the same person as Anakin, Ob-Wan just leaves him be for no reason instead of killing him. It completely ruins the scene in Return of the Jedi when Luke refuses to kill his dad and Obi-Wan says
>then the emperor has already won.
Everything Vader does afterwards becomes Obi-Wan's fault, for zero fricking reason. Even with the unbelievably-moronic plot decision (which was supposedly Filoni's idea) to have Obi-Wan and Vader fight in between III and IV, they could have had Obi-Wan leave the fight to save Luke before he got the chance to kill Vader.
TCW mostly sucks. A lot of it is unwatchably bad, and maybe like 25% of the episodes are even decent. Which is still 25% more than anything that gayloni has made since the Disney acquisition (aside from the Dooku episodes of TotJ I guess).
Why does this look like a SJW CGI cartoon?
>Why does this look like a SJW CGI cartoon?
If it was an SJW cartoon, everyone wouldn't be white.
Mostly agree but IMO Rebels, Ahsoka, and Bad Batch belong under "bad", Resistance cartoon and Obi-Wan belong under "Absolute fricking garbage."
Swap OT and Andor
I would like more star wars with my star wars shows so ahsoka
>thinks he got more Star Wars in Ahsoka
>two dykes making moon eyes at each other is Star Wars
>>two dykes making moon eyes at each other is Star Wars
God I wish
Didnt happen btw but yes
Ahsoka episode 5 was it? felt the most like something new but still star wars in a long time
The bad guys in Ahsoka are absolutely mogging everyone on the good guys side. They have very strong screen presence and great performance for the material the have. Meanwhile Ahsoka and Co. Are absolute boring planks of wood.
>The bad guys in Ahsoka are absolutely mogging everyone on the good guys side.
Thrawn is an absolute joke in terms of accomplishments and actions, you're just being fooled into thinking he's something because his original version from the EU actually is.
>because his original version from the EU actually is
No it isn't. He's written nearly as stupidly by Zahn as he is by Filoni. The only real difference is that Zahn actually knows how human beings talk to each other, so he at least gives Thrawn some decent interactions with other characters.
I know my dude. I read the books. However, Lars performance is still good. It's the writing that drops the ball
>The character is written as a moronic and completely unthreatening buffoon.
>The makeup job on him is embarrassingly cheap and shoddy-looking.
>The voice actor they got to play him in live action has a massive beer gut.
Yes, Thrawn totally has a very strong screen presence.
>Main character gets mogged by the supporting cast
Name a more star wars trope.
Luke Skywalker Died like a Failure there is not Future for Star Wars
>Luke Skywalker Died like a Failure there is not Future for Star Wars
I can’t stress THIS enough. You need to fix what you did to Luke Fricking Skywalker or Star Wars has 0.0 future. This is the most important thing….even more important than fixing what you did to Anakin (which it seems like you are trying to do now).
You have to fix Luke. Or this brand will be dead forever
>LE FIX LE LUKE FRICKING LE SKYWALKER!!!
>MUH BRAND!!!!!
Star Wars has turned to shit, but the prescription you gays give to make it better is always gay consoomer shit like "give me back my faux-Christ Luke and make him do lots of cool backflips" instead of actually writing interesting stories or hiring people who know how to work a camera.
Jesus Christ, you’re so fricking dumb it’s remarkable.
It has nothing to do with back flips. I hate that shit. It had to do with his place and importance in the narrative, and his achievements. The story and lore has been rewritten by a corporation in a way that negates the original 6 films. Without that core narrative, Star Wars is largely just dumb motion for motion sakes with more bad shows than good ones.
It’s about fixing the core story. Not about back flips
Right
Wrong
and once again i feel compelled to add that the overwhelming part of these achievements come from the best star wars movie return of the jedi
it's probably too late. what happened has already been encoded in every's mind
They said that after Batman vs Robin…
the world building in batman isnt as important u can get away with campy af shit
It’s more than just them destroying Luke. The entire post ep6 timeline is complete nonsense. Luke Leia Han are dead, new republic was moronic and got 1shot by a super death laser immediately, all the Jedi are dead. What the frick do you even do with the series anymore?
Viewership is in death spiral because fans have basic pattern recognition.
>Show called Mandalorian, shits on titular Mando while trying to prop up Bo Katan again
>Show called Boba Fett, shits on Boba Fett while trying to prop up Fennec Shand
>Show called Kenobi, shits on Obi wan Kenobi while trying to prop up Reva
>Show called Ahsoka, shits on Ahsoka while trying to prop up Sabine
I'll admit that Andor was an outlier, it didn't really seem to shit on anyone and generally had intelligent writing and characterization.
Girlboss fatigue, see also Marvel
Hilariously, Andor is probably the least focused on its titular character as any of these, but is better for it. The supporting characters are so good that they could each have their own show.
Here:
The New Republic continues on past the ST. It only went into a temporary NR contingency government during the one year the First Order asserted themselves
Not all of Luke’s Jedi Order was destroyed. Maybe a few months before Palpatine sacking the NJO, a couple of Masters on Luke’s council took 20-30 padawans on a mission to find the route to Peridea and got lost. After the ST, that group re-emerges and continues on Luke’s order.
There, now Leia and Luke have a good legacy again.
Disney already confirmed all of Luke’s students were killed in the comics
>the comics
Laugh out fricking loud
Star Wars constantly marches right over the comics, and they’ve already retconned multiple aspects about Luke’s Jedi Order.
Such as
Filoni did it with Kanan’s story, Filoni did it with Ashoka’s story.
Disney has already changed the story about Ben Solo multiple times
>You need to fix what you did to Luke Fricking Skywalker or Star Wars has 0.0 future.
His TLJ ending is pretty good.
Rey is a terrible character. She’s an awful substitute for the real thing. The sooner Disney realizes this, the sooner it’s Lucasfilm division starts bringing money in as opposed to always sending it out
They realized it already. They know that nobody gives a shit about Rey aber and that nobody likes her otherwise they would have long produced movies or series or cartoon about her. Disney knows that they fricked up
She is getting a new movie
Awesome, will that be releasing before or after Rian Johnson's new trilogy, Patty Jenkin's Rogue One movie, Taika Waititi's Star Wars project, or the Star Wars films that will be helmed by Game of Thrones showrunners D.B. Weiss and David Benioff?
Dunno you dumb Black person they just announced the thing
They are making another Rogue One?
All of those projects were cancelled
yeah, they’re calling it Rogue Two
Didn't everyone die? How would they make another one?
There were 2 death stars.
Didn't they use the same plan as the first one though
Lol. It’s going to flop worse than Dial of Destiny.
They are probably banking on controversy to fill seats because otherwise I have no idea why they'd think this is a good idea
>controversy
No one gives a shit. It’ll flop because nobody cares about Rey Palpatine. Literally nobody.
Literally no one believes that
Projects are constantly announced to gauge consumer interest and then quietly cancelled like
pointed out because it costs them nothing and keeps their brand name trending and relevant
Him dying alone having allowed the first order to murder 155 billion people was a good ending?
>make a movie showing that Iron Man is the biggest piece of shit that ever lived and ran the Avengers into the ground and spend two hours showing him as a idiotic drunken liar. And then at the end give him a 2 min action scene.
- What a great ending!!!!™ I can’t wait for Riri Williams’ Ironheart to solve every problem in one day and get 12 movies explaining why she’s da best!!!™ We need to move on guise!! Especially by doing 40 years of Ironheart content!!!
>even more important than fixing what you did to Anakin
Disney Lucasfilm hadn't even touched Anakin. What did they do that needed fixing?
Are you moronic?
I'm waiting for an actual answer.
Shill, please
I'm not shilling. I just don't know what you're referring to. Not warning Luke about the Emperor's spooky plans makes him look like an idiot, but nothing Disney's done so far has addressed that to my knowledge.
Somehow, Palpatine returned
The entire Saga led up to Anakin killing the Emperor to bring balance to the force. Anakin sacrificed himself for his son, after his son (Luke) sacrificed himself for his father (by choosing death over killing his father).
All of that poetry undone do Corporate Rey could girlboss Palpatine with a forceisfemale magic beam™
>Anakin sacrificed himself for his son, after his son (Luke) sacrificed himself for his father (by choosing death over killing his father).
This still happens. It doesn't impact Anakin as an actual character. It does undermine the prophecy, but the prophecy was always a moronic addition to the story (and Lucas would have undermined it too). Bringing back the Emperor was bad for a lot of reasons, but it doesn't really impact Anakin other than the foreknowledge problem.
The Last Jedi is a bad movie and Rey Palpatine is a bad character. Probably the worst character in modern film history. That’s axiomatic at this point.
George Lucas wanted Anakin as chosen one to be his story. That’s his right. He created the universe. Once he settled on that as his story for his Saga, Disney altering that after the fact does directly diminish Anakin’s story.
This is because Anakin went through literal hell to get to this point. His killing of Palpatine was the essential apex moment of his journey. Resurrecting Palpatine trivializes the entire saga, and Anakin’s importance and redemption.
Everything after George Lucas is corporate fanfiction.
>The Last Jedi is a bad movie and Rey Palpatine is a bad character.
I agree. I don't think that's relevant here, though.
>George Lucas wanted Anakin as chosen one to be his story.
Until he changed his mind, as he did about lots of things.
>Resurrecting Palpatine trivializes the entire saga, and Anakin’s importance and redemption.
His importance maybe, but I don't think it hurts his redemption. It does make the structure of the saga feel less centered on Anakin, but that was a door Lucas opened himself and was frankly baked into the idea of a trilogy of numbered sequels to begin with.
It does hurt his redemption, though.
Anakin did a lot of terrible shit. Killing the unstoppable Tyrant who enslaved the galaxy for all times is a strong move towards rectifying his (Anakin’s) past mistakes.
Lucas didn’t have very strong ideas or very strong conviction for his Sequel Trilogy outline. Having said that, it’s still better than what we got from Abramz & Kennedy.
If there was even to be a “Sequel Trilogy” it should have been about finishing what was stated in the original 6 films. It should have been the story of Leia building a fairer New Republic, and Luke building a more noble, less political New Jedi Order. Along the way towards these lofty goals, the dark truth about Vader being Luke and Leia’s father should have been leaked to the public, causing a major scandal and seeing both of these celebrated heroes and leaders exiled from the system they saved and built.
>Lucas didn’t have very strong ideas or very strong conviction for his Sequel Trilogy outline.
Of course not. He would've kept changing his mind until the movie was out. But think of it this way: if Darth Maul is still kicking and Leia is the Chosen One it trivializes Anakin and the Emperor both. If instead he went with some other big bad Dark Side Uber it also would have effectively reduced his significance just like TFA did. We would've had an evil organization led by some red lightsaber dorks just the same. This is also partly why the prophecy was a stupid idea.
Lucas meant “the chosen one” for the ST. He didn’t mean for the prophecy necessarily. He just meant Leia was the main character of the ST.
There is no way a Jedi prophecy applies to temporary political arrangements. Lucas often paid lip service to whatever pop culture political idea was trendy that year.
>He didn’t mean for the prophecy necessarily.
If Darth Maul is alive the prophecy wasn't fulfilled by Anakin.
Maul wasn’t a Sith. He was meant to be a gangster or a warlord. Maul actually became an interesting character on Clone Wars/ Rebels.
The issue is that full Power Luke Skywalker would destroy Maul in about 6 seconds. So in order for Maul to be a proper villain, he’d need some other interesting stuff going on.
>Maul wasn’t a Sith.
>DARTH Maul who would have had an apprentice DARTH Talon was not a Sith
He’s been called Maul since the Clone Wars. He even says he is no Sith in that show.
Lucas calling him Darth Maul is some funny shit though.
Does it really matter, though? He's an evil Dark Side dick with a red lightsaber and an apprentice with a red lightsaber, and he was trained by a Sith.
>Well Maul doesn't identify as Sith :^)
is a kind of near-immaculate hackery. He was a Sith.
It's like Lucas calling lightsaber a laser sword and gungans GOONGAS.
But that's right, he wasn't a Sith in his ST, but a crime lord. Sidious denounced his Sith status, too: "Remember, the first and only reality of the Sith: there can only be two. And you are no longer my apprentice. You have been replaced."
>But that's right, he wasn't a Sith in his ST, but a crime lord.
That's like saying Sidious wasn't a Sith, but a politician.
Andor does what Star Wars never did before. It feels REAL. You feel like you live in that universe and understand how it all works. The PT touched on that a little, but not enough. Andor gave characters too
These action CGI slopshows like Ahsoka and Mando are all shit. That do the same thing and just feel like filler with the same ending each time. It's shit.
OT felt real too. It wasn't that heavy with space magic actually. In ANH the Force barely appeared, in Empire Luke was just learning to use it in bumfrick nowhere while we followed Han, Leia and Lando all without force and magic
It also made the Empire actually feel overbearing and truly evil for once. Something that can't be endured forever. I have never rooted for the rebellion like I have in Andor.
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Shows like Ahsoka, but centered on Luke, Han, and Leia following Return of the Jedi. I don't want to learn to love new characters. I just want Luke Skywalker. All this Star Wars shit and almost no Luke Skywalker. Not my Star Wars
Their time is done. It's time to let other stories be told.
Lowest IQ take.
How much more of their story do you actually need? The OT was their time, you need to accept this and move on.
They have about 35 YEARS worth of stories to tell. We’ve only seen them as. teenagers starting out, and 70-somethings coming out of retirement for one more adventure.
95% of their true story has been told.
And why are you not complaining Ahsoka being put in 12 shows over decades with no end in sight?? Virtually every character in the saga has more screen/ page time than Leia/ Luke.
*95% of their true story has not been told.
I’d like Star Wars to jump ahead about 500 years in the timeline but before you do fix what you did to the main characters and lore
>And why are you not complaining Ahsoka being put in 12 shows over decades with no end in sight??
Because everyone else has done that for me. I already subscribe to the mindset that Ahsoka never existed in the first place, but if she HAD to be inflicted on the story, hers should have ended before the events of ANH.
Her encounter with Vader in Rebels was well done (until she survived it), and would have been the perfect place to end her story
I’m legitimately interested in seeing the Big 3 in their prime. Not to the exclusion of other characters or shows, (those should certainly continue on) but in addition to.
Luke is supposed to be the most powerful/ greatest Jedi of all time. Why can’t we see that? He went around the galaxy finding hundreds of sacred archives including all of the “Sacred Jedi Texts”. That’s a great show right there. Indiana Jones meets Star Wars. It’s a great way to learn about the lore and galaxy. I’d like to see his Jedi Order at its peak with Ben, and hundreds of young Jedi, etc battling new factions.
I want to see Leia and Han in a House of Cards/ Andor type show about the politics of the New Republic and dealing with expanding the size of the New Republic while dealing with spies and enemies (foreign and domestic).
All While being a power couple
I’d like a high quality version of Kotor and going far into the future too. None of this shit is a binary one vs.another scenario.
Also, give Rey her own story and stop stealing Luke’s
>I’d like a high quality version of Kotor
you're begging for death
How much more Ashoka do you need, brainlet?
you are legit a mouth breathing midwit if you want the ot to still be continuously regurgitated
There are like 60 Star Wars shows that have nothing to do with the Big 3. Why is this a binary scenario you fricking idiot?
You can have 59 shows about second tier characters and one show about the Big 3 on their prime. It’s that simple.
Also, you like the Sequel Trilogy and Rey Palpatine so your taste and opinion are utterly worthless
>Why is this a binary scenario
anons can only understand two extremely moronic options at a time
>Justified in space with Timothy Olyphant
I'd see that. Cast Walton Goggins for kino factor
I like Andor because it directly connects to Rogue One and that directly connects to the OT. The story is like a baton passed from one story to another so you actually feel like the Andor and Rogue One characters helped the OT to get where they are
they seriously fricked up by not letting Luke pass the baton to the next generation
Nostalgia gays like you are what caused the NT to be so dogwater
You guys just want the OT again so they threw in every last thing they could to please you
palpatine, the falcon, new sith, wanking everything even mentioned in the OT
that was for gays like you
>You guys just want the OT again so they threw in every last thing they could to please you
Nope
>Palpatine , the falcon, new sith, wanking everything even mentioned in the OT
that was for gays like you
None of this is correct. You sound really dumb.
I'm just saying that they aren't gonna stop trying to ape the OT (poorly) till manchildren like you let them
I don’t watch Star Wars on D+. I’m not a man child. I’d like them to do more shows like Andor and move around the timeline.
But I’d like a show about the Big 3 in their prime and it doesn’t have to be anything like the OT or nostalgic at all. Make it distinct and different. I just think it’s an interesting time period and would help Disney rebuild the trust with fans.
You know what people wanted? Good movies.
You know what diversity hires have no idea how to make?
>checks imbd
>most people in charge white
lmao
based
jews aren't white, homosexual
Live-action? Andor.
Jedi shit with exotic aliens and worlds? Animation only. Frick off with that poorly shot, poorly choreographed cosplay shit.
I don't know, Andor has had the best looking aliens I've ever seen in Star Wars. Then again they are never in action so that might be why.
>Jedi shit with exotic aliens and worlds? Animation only.
Was only done in TCW because George Lucas pushed the funding to make it interesting and ambitious. Star Wars cartoons under Disney have been cheap garbage like Rebels, where almost the whole first season takes place on one boring planet and molds/assets are reused to an embarrassing degree.
>What should be the future of Star Wars?
AI generated feature films of the EU.
>Cade Skywalker and based Kir Kanos in the center
>Luke and Leia to the far left
>Anakin all the way in the back
I like EU too but come on
It's because that pic is supposed to be a Dark Horse celebratory piece.
If anything it's worse that Jacen/Jaina/Anakin/Ben aren't there.
neither, star wars belongs on the big screen
Show about them
Ummm.... anon?
Should we tell him??
anon... I don't know what to say
she died fighting for her country
Ahsoka. Needs better choreography though.
Star Wars doesn't deserve shows like Andor.
This. Star Wars was never good, will never be good and can't be good. Andor is an exception because it's a non Star Wars story with the Star Wars name on it. Tony Gilroy had an already good story he wanted to tell and just used Star Wars as vehicle, but he could have told the same story in the Cyberpunk 2077 universe
We should have had more miniseries like the original Clone Wars.
>Mace Windu crushes general grievous's ribcage at the end to explain why he's a jobber in RotS
>Nu-clone wars just has him be a jobber the whole time
still disappointed
I want more shows with the quality of Andor, I don't really want more shows just like it. Let it be its own thing
>Orange buttcheeks won't train literal baby yoda because he has attachments
>Orange buttcheeks wants to train danger hair quirky artist dyke who is demonstrably fixated on Ezra
>Space Elon Musk is 500IQ genius super threat
>Space Elon Musk spends tie fighters, several platoons of voodoo troopers, pair of hired dark jedi, fanatically loyal witch, and an entire minefield to buy time to load macguffin coffins
>That he forgot to load onto the ship during his ten year extragalactic vacay and had to hurry to do at the last minute for manufactured tension
>Accomplished nothing but getting back to the SW main galaxy after a ten year vacay
>Nu Republic is shown to be nothing but women and morons anyways so zero viewers care about the stakes
What else did I forget
buttcheeks won't train literal baby yoda because he has attachments
buttcheeks wants to train danger hair quirky artist dyke who is demonstrably fixated on Ezra
Mandalorian S2 episode happened before the Ahsoka show. By that time, Ahsoka had already left Sabine and stopped training her. Thus, her not wanting to train baby yoda is consistent.
Consistent with what, orange cheeks resumed training the dyke even after she stole mapball macguffin from her and lost it to sithfu
She resumed her training because Sabine claimed she was ready and changed her mindset, and they had to go on a mission together anyway.
So is orange cheeks a moron for believing purple hair dyke about not being obsessively (but also platonically lmao) attached to Ezra? Because she just hands the map macguffin over to Ray Stevenson and surrenders directly after watching cheeks get btfo
Yes, she is a moron. The writers are blind to their own liberal bias, this is why you get things like the Armorer telling Mando he is a Mandalorian no more when he takes off his helmet, but when Bo Katan does it, she 'walks both worlds' and can unite the clans. It's okay when General Hera disobeys orders and gets pilots killed on an unsanctioned mission that gives zero results, it's completely fine when Sabine facilitates the return of Grand Admiral Thrawn and she doesn't even deserve a smack on the wrist—because OMG BUT THINK ABOUT HER FEELINGS!!1
Real people aren't consistent, and they rationalize constantly. You're mistaking your autism for their bad writing.
>They're supposed to act moronic, that's how people in real life are, you're autistic if you don't turn off your brain and clap for the jangling keys
I tell you this as a friend, please spend some time and consider necking yourself.
Why would I neck myself because some stranger on Cinemaphile dot org has autism? You don't make any sense friend.
Yeah. The last two episodes jumped the shark and Sabine didn't face any consequences for her actions. It doesn't seem that she even told Ezra about it. Ahsoka knows that what she did was selfish, she said so at the beginning of ep 6, IIRC. "What she did, she did for herself. She went with the enemy willingly." It's okay for Ahsoka to forgive her, but she should have told her something like, "Sabine, what you did was selfish and you did it for yourself, greed attachment is a dangerous road, yada yada yada..." As it stands, it seems that the b***h fricked everything up and got away with it without even having a lecture on it, neither from Ahsoka nor from Ezra. The intention is that she seems to have understood it on her own and feels bad about it, culminating in her choosing to say behind and let Ezra go home, instead of abandoning Ahsoka when she was fighting those goons. But they should have definitely talked over it, and the story should not have glossed over Ezra's feelings about Sabine effectively undoing his sacrifice.
tl;dr: the overall story is fine, the script, however, needs some serious work, as filoni is more of an ideas man and can't write for shit
>Thus, her not wanting to train baby yoda is consistent.
But she has no problem resuming Sabine's training here. In fact she's completely let off the hook for risking the entire galaxy for Ezra.
Also Ahsoka is a hypocrite because she herself is obviously attached to Sabine and Ezra, she's spent years trying to find him.
Like neither, they're both crappy and boring girl shows. Star Wars was for guys, now its for fat 20 year old lesbians
I am not a huge Andor fan because its somewhat constrained by the Star Wars setting rather than striving to be a serious sci-fi political drama, it was way better than Ahsoka which was boring and filled with mary sues. Ahsoka felt very safe and boring to me, it really didn't add anything to the characterization of these established characters, other than that Sabine becomes more cooparative with Ahsoka? Ahsoka meets Anakin and learns what? Its like nothing of significance was decided for the characters, only Sati's arc was kinda interesting, but we barely saw her. In general it felt all over the place. Thrawn was also saturday cartoon vilain once again, huge missed opportunity to add nuance to the empire antagonists which existed in Andor.
I was more interested and engaged with a single scene where this random guy wants to help Mon Mothma cheat on her taxes than I was the entirety of Ahsoka
I would like Mon Mothma to show her clitoris in season 2
I hope his kid knocks her daughter up. That would be true icing on the Chandrilan cake.
bring back genndy
no, anime is gay
his small clone wars series mogs all sw media outside of OT
cope
No, it's just more gay anime, sorry.
enjoy eating up slop for the rest of time from disney
It could be worse, it could have been anime
Anime fight shows suck. Idk why that show is so praised. I thought the animation was cringe and overexaggerated. Mace windu punching through a Droid thats able to withstand multiple blaster shots? That shit belongs on DragonBall series
frick disney
star wars is dead
More like Ahoska
>Cute girls
>Lots of ass shots
>Excellent fights
>Ship combat
>Builds on the world
Andor
>Commie gobbledyasiatic
>Muh oppressed ambiguous brown people
>No action
>No world building
>Back investing on a dead character so maybe if you accidentally watch Rogue One again you'll care when he dies
>Accidentally
Rogue One was the best Star Wars movie since the OT I rewatch it regularly
I legit don’t understand why people love Rouge One gays love it so much. It is painfully generic
le vader scene
Actually that's the worst scene in the movie. It would be much better without it
It's shit as a Star Wars and as a film itself. It throws a merry band of characters at you and doesn't make an effort to develop a single one and then tries to make you feel something my unceremoniously killing them all off. It essentially fails on even the most basic level of film tenets.
It's the movie that actually brought back the WAR in Star Wars
Coomer bro, Adria Arjona alone easily mogs the entire Ahsoka cast.
Shin alone BTFOs that bawd. THrowing in MEW and Sabine's aznbb and it's a utter curb stomp.
Shin looks like a meth addict, Mew is walling hard and even prosthetics and being caked in makeup can't hide it, and Sabine looks like Ezra Miller's moronic little brother
>Ahsoka girls better than Adria Arjona and Faye Marsay
lmao
The series can never recover from this. No matter how hard Disney shills try to deny it
Imagine a show so kino that a guy literally named Kino shows up and starts having kino scenes
Andor, just finished it. finally something watchable related to star wars after 40 years
>Black market shopfu tortured, rescued from captivity by sketchy male protagonist
>Sadist ISB waifu getting mobbed by space antifa, rescued by autistic male antagonist
How the frick did Andor manage to slip these deeply problematic concepts by Disney in current year
Neither.
I enjoyed the Andor and Ahsoka girls both, excepting Ahsoka herself because the one they got is way too old. Does everything have to be console wars?
Book of Boba Fett had Jennifer Beals and Sophie Thatcher going for it, but not even that level of waifu-baiting could salvage writing that shit
Andor is the better show, by far
Ashoka is doing some very interesting stuff with the lore (Mortis Gods, Peridea). Also, it seems like the Ashoka show may be setting up a way to fix the damage done to the Skywalkers in Kennedy’s corporate Trilogy. That would help fix some parts of Star Wars if they pull it off properly.
I think they are setting up a battle between Abeloth (who Baylon will accidentally release) and Luke in the Filoni movie
Ahsoka (& The Mandalorian) is doing damage control for the Sequels the same way The Clones Wars did damage control for the Prequels.
Andor is actually focused on telling a story.
Something like 1313 but it’s a show.
R-rated kino about Boba Fett in his prime.
Tem could do the voice but the character doesn’t show his face.
This way we still get a classic character we’re familiar with but you can also get gritty like Andor.
More Andor. More Mon Mothma. Mon Mommy Mothma is the future.
More shows like Mando Season One. Give us a slice of life in a part of the galaxy we've never seen before. Show us something NEW. That was Lucas's old method, and it still works.
Disney seems incapable of showing something new without also ruining something old at the same time.
The scale on that looks way off for something built around a fricking star
Why would you think it's built around a star when it has clear nighttime delineations
Because I can see a giant section of solar panels casting the shadow to generate power and creating an artificial day and night cycle?
Those aren't solar panels, that's the edge of the space station, which is not a closed ring in the first place
Star Wars to me is colorful alien planets and badass robots and armored dudes and wacky shit, all wrapped up with vague spirituality.
So Ahsoka.
It has armored dudes thats it, otherwise its pretty drab and colorless
So a s2 of Ahsoka wasn't even a sure thing because the rating were so bad? kek
If it was a smash hit I'm sure we wouldve heard about a season 2 already
Well I hope the plans fall through, S1 storytelling was all over the place.
Baylon and Shin were great. The whole Mortis/ Abeloth set up could be great (especially if they do Abeloth vs Luke). Thrawn and Ezra were well cast. I hope they use Thrawn better in the future .
Sabine and Ahsoka didn’t quite work though
Andor, I guess. If those are my only two choices. This goes for all Star Wars after the original trilogy where the original gives you this small taste of a Galaxy far far away and every attempt to ad on to it ignores the shit in the original. I feel like every Jedi you see they take as an opportunity to show this brand new force power that no one ever did before they never expand on any of the aliens in any movie or show, just make new aliens for every show. It's crazy but they've taken this rich creative wonder inspiring premise and make it more and more shallow with each new entry.
Andor was largely carried by the actors and some strong moments but at least I felt like it built on informed me more about the intricacies of the empire and the rebellion pretty well instead of throwing more random shit at a wall to see if anything sticks.
>More 0/10 gayloni/gayreau dogshit, or more 4/10 slop like Trandor?
Andor sucks less, but still sucks and is only getting any positive attention because everything else is so abysmal. None of these shows should be considered acceptable quality.
Andor is shit overrated xoomerbait, but Ahsoka was completely pointless and squandered literally everything interesting it introduced. So Andor wins hands down
What the frick is Xoomerbait
Gen X pandering - OT aesthetic, le rebellion, taking itself very seriously
I don't get it. Why does that pander to Gen X specifically and how is it bad?
It panders to Gen X because their idea of "what star wars feels like" is set in stone as the OT movies, because they saw them as kids. This kind of pandering led to the concept of the entire ST, which was obviously a bust, and it led to Mando and Solo and Andor.
There's nothing fundamentally bad about it. It's only bad by association, because it leads to things like force mysticism and space fantasy to be downplayed, which are IMO the strengths of Star Wars over a lot of other sci fi.
Now to be fair, Ahsoka verged more on mysticism and a Prequel-style glimpse at the ivory tower politics, and it was pretty bad. So it's probably better for current Disney to do OT rehashes, which are thematically easier.
I was being an butthole, but I do think Andor is overrated. Jedi: Survivor is probably the best Star Wars product since the Disney takeover IMO
im gen x and the thought of watching it didnt cross my mind even once. the initial premise of mando s01 was xoomerbait tho
>Jedi: Survivor is probably the best Star Wars product
/v/ermindreck.
Both of these were slop tier trash.
Ahsoka is Space Wizards ruin Star Wars making it a moron happy hour again... but the worst is the OST... the most talentless deranged annoying filler heard in years
The only redeeming point is how Rosaio Dawson fails to do convincing acrobatics because of her massive boobs
Ahsoka was really, really good (RIP our lad Rat Stevenson!)... Where as Andor was: Spikkks in space...
I still don't know why star wars has random scenes take place on random planets with singular biomes. Strange, boring.
>ctrl+f "blandor"
>0 results
he's slipping
nuwars guy? why didn't he spam for ahsoka
He is only doing it because some anons had positive things to say about andor
na i think he likes filonislop, or at least doesn't hate it as much as andor and rogue one. iirc he doesn't say nuwars much
he probably slipped and drowned in his own shit
Niether of these shows are related to star wars
Andor. The Jedi aren't that interesting.
Andor, purely because it doesn't require you to see half a dozen other shows to enjoy and understand it.
Ahsoka is a followup to Rebels and the Mandalorian. The former is a follow up to Clone Wars and the latter is followed up by Book of Boba Fett. It's so fricking tiring.
Andor at most expects you to watch one halfway decent move.
It was plain as day going in that Ahsoka’s biggest hurdle was going to be the fact that you don’t give a shit about Ahsoka unless you saw The Clone Wars, and you don’t give a shit about anyone else in the show unless you saw Rebels.
Ashoka is a popular character amongst a small segment of the fandom. But she isn’t a big enough name to sell tickets to a movie. She just isn’t.
Fire Kennedy. Hire Gilroy. Recast the Big 3, and build the franchise around Luke Skywalker and HIS fricking New Jedi Order.
Let Gilroy or someone equally talented run it.
I went from hating Asoka to tolerating her by the time she left the Clone Wars. I think the best thing they could've done with her was to have her die trying to redeem Vader in Rebels. It's clear to me that Disney and Filoni turned her into the face of Star Wars girl power (after Rey failed), and any criticism is met with a large serving of 'memberberries.
All in all, I prefer 2003 clone wars and the EU.
i liked the star wars occult shit in Ahsoka and the introduction of extended universe characters like Thrawn
Leagues better than Disney's OC first order crap.
more shows like andor and no future for star wars
Sabine sucks. Her force push was idiotic asspull garbage. Anakin doting on Ashoka instead of Leia/ Luke is garbage. Kathleen Kennedy can’t fricking stop stealing shit from the EU and the Skywalker Twins.
Andor is a good show.
So it isn’t even close
Ahsoka was OK. But way too many strong women. I didn't see Andor.
Andor is shit
Andor is more interesting Star Wars because it (mostly) just shows regular, ordinary people that generally do not have a 'protagonist halo' or plot armor protecting them.
During the Aldahni heist we're introduced to this team of characters, several of which--hell, MOST of which die throughout the operation. Are they dramatic, heroic, overblown emotional death sequences with slow mo and tearful reaction screaming from the others? No, not really. They just DIE. Just like that, shot by completely ordinary troops in a basic firefight or with a back broken as unsecured cargo shifted or whatnot.
Likewise during the prison complex escape, we see several of the recognizable characters that were part of Cassian's table just... DIE. Why did they die? They were shot. What noble sacrifice or heavy cost on the enemy did they enact with their deaths? None, really.
In the finale, where emotions are high and a funeral procession turns into an impromptu riot, when the Imperial Officer shouts "Open fire!" It just starts to turn into a massacre. Supporting characters we recognize begin dying left and right to STORMTROOPERS, whose reputation throughout Star Wars content had become increasingly flanderized until they were stereotyped as worthless mooks who can't hit anything. Well, no shit they couldn't hit anything, they were shooting at MAIN HERO CHARACTERS all that time. Jedi, famous pilots, princesses.
Andor peeling away bits of that protagonist halo and letting us see what it would be like for ordinary folk thrust into times of rebellion is just way more fricking interesting, it harks back to the opening of ANH where Stormtroopers slaughter the rebel fleet troopers attempting to defend the Tantive. Tension and stakes are reintroduced and you start to care about what's going on again, because everyone on screen isn't sleepwalking through their challenges knowing every win is handwaved through and every difficulty or obstacle is a farce.
>Andor peeling away bits of that protagonist halo and letting us see what it would be like for ordinary folk thrust into times of rebellion is just way more fricking interesting, it harks back to the opening of ANH where Stormtroopers slaughter the rebel fleet troopers attempting to defend the Tantive. Tension and stakes are reintroduced and you start to care about what's going on again, because everyone on screen isn't sleepwalking through their challenges knowing every win is handwaved through and every difficulty or obstacle is a farce.
This
Andor should not have been able to single-handedly and effortlessly take out Death Troopers.
Death troopers shouldn't've have been there at all.
wdym? they were escorting dedra, death troopers are always shown to be escorting high ranking imperials
it's stupid that one jobbed to andor in the most stupid way, and the other just disappeared somehow
She's not a high-ranking Imperial, her rank is Lieutenant. They're being wasted on a subordinate functionary.
A lieutenant in the ISB is apparently in charge of intelligence for entire star systems. They are basically the equivalent of CIA station chiefs.
Does it matter? They havent ever done anything remotely bad ass, as far as anyone can tell they are just the same as normal stormtroopers with cool armor
>Does it matter?
Yes. Power dynamics are important and set consistency.
>They havent ever done anything remotely bad ass, as far as anyone can tell they are just the same as normal stormtroopers with cool armor
They're supposed to be super elite commandos. Just use regular stormtroopers then if you want them to job.
>Yes. Power dynamics are important and set consistency.
They have consistently done nothing to earn a fearsome reputation
>They're supposed to be super elite commandos.
According to all the background fan shit, nothing in any of the live action shit has shown them do anything except job or stand around
They're a symptom of and also contribute to the flanderization of stormtroopers. When poor writing has the enemy soldiers unable to achieve anything against main characters, troopers get flanderized into being worthless. Then, even more bad writers come in and try to "fix" the problem by introducing a new, bigger badder stormtrooper... only those are also facing off against protagonists protected by the plot and wind up seeming like useless mooks as well.
By rights, it kind of does, given the fluff we have about Death Troopers and who rates having them on their entourage. Now they're becoming commonplace because of overuse.
I actually agree, would have preferred they were shown to have done more. Would also have been neat to see Vel and Luthen do more--they're diehard rebels and I expected them to take advantage of the chaos to do inflict as much damage on the Imperials there as possible. At least the one chick stabbed a guy. I guess the other two were focused on finding Andor still, but... with them not even accomplishing that it starts to feel like they were just there because it was the finale of the show.
Luthen had no reason to be there after he had an engagement with the Imperial patrol fleet the day before on that very ship that he used to arrive to Imperial occupied Ferrix, and he had already dispatched two deadly assassins to take out Cassian. He had no reason to come to Ferrix and put himself in danger, when he was shown to be an extremely cautious man. The only reason he was there and the only reason he parked at the exact same spot out of all the places on a fricking planet is so that he and Cassian could get together. The finale was kinda contrived bs.
Ehh, I'd say "deadly assassins" is a bit of a stretch. The lesbo couple there was for sure fanatical for the cause, but even the Aldahni heist didn't lead anyone to believe they were particularly professionals. Cassian was specifically brought onto their team in the first place there because Luthen recognized his team there was super loyal to the cause but not really measuring up in the necessary skillsets.
Makes sense to me for Luthen to want to take care of it personally to make sure it gets done right.
>Ehh, I'd say "deadly assassins" is a bit of a stretch.
Not really. They are more than capable to kill, as was shown a number of times.
>Makes sense to me for Luthen to want to take care of it personally to make sure it gets done right.
Now Luthen, on the other hand, is just an old man. I don't see how he could do the job better than his two assassins. And again, the problem is that he shows up in person after fighting the Imperial patrol fleet and taking it out. The Empire knows he is out there. The Empire knows his ship and its description. And considering that his ship is one of a kind, it's doubly stupid. And he parked at the exact same spot as before only so that Cassian could find him in the end. They really wanted to tie everything on Ferrix in the big epic finale, but some of it ended up being really contrived.
Bro, how tf can you watch Andor and then just consider Luthen "just an old man"
We don't know what his story is and maybe we never will, but he's obviously well versed in spywork, counterintelligence, and insurgency. He pretty much had to have been someone ex-military from the Clone Wars, who knows which side but 100% was deep in some cloak and dagger operations
When it comes to CQC and taking a capable young buck such as Cassian, he is a frail old man.
Maybe, time will tell. I think pretty fair odds Cass will be forced to kill Luthen in season two. We know Luthen's gotta disappear between now and Rogue One, and a noble sacrifice doesn't really fit the morally gray narrative they've been constructing for him.
>I expected them to take advantage of the chaos to do inflict as much damage on the Imperials there as possible
Why? They're big-picture people and they're still trying to stay in the dark.
Are you talking about in the show or the movie? Because in the show he kills a single death trooper with a lucky shot
Prison and Heist arcs were good. The finale was dumb and contrived. It was also especially stupid how Marva beyond the grave and that Hispanic kid with a pipe bomb started a revolution, and then just bailed the frick out, leaving the rest of Ferrix to the Empire. They are all fricked now. Empire will frick them all up. And they just ran away after Cassian bailed his mindfricked gf. It was incredibly stupid and selfish.
frick andor, frick andor fans and frick disney
Neither. Its a dead franchise
Andor. I am tired of the Jedi, the Sith and lightsabers. I have no desire in watching Ahsoka or any other star wars goyslop they produce.
I might be interested in a Sith POV story but Disney would frick it up somehow.
>tfw no Imperial ARC troopers
I for one am happy that Disney hasn't ruined them
Star Wars certainly has split into fiefdoms. I am simply of the belief that the series is inseparable from Lucas as a person.
>Star Wars certainly has split into fiefdoms.
Hasn't it always? It's just the material is higher-profile now that it's TV shows instead of novels and comics.
Before it had a God to tell us what was Star Wars and what was not.
The series belongs to Lucas. With Lucas gone, it is driftless and unmoored.
I don't want all of Star Wars to look or feel like Andor but I wish all of Star Wars had that level of care put into it. Ahsoka is hollow trash that exists to kill time.
Andor is closer to the spirit of Star Wars. You can really feel the used future aesthetic.
>You can really feel the used future aesthetic.
>Blandor winning against anything
If I wanted to watch boring space politics, I wouldn't be watching Star Wars.
I'm not actually that guy, I loved Andor, the thread just doesn't feel complete without it being posted at least once y'know?
Most of what makes Andor good is that there aren't too many forced ebin female characters. There's Casian's mom, and she is the worst part of the show, but other than that the female characters are well-written.
how about making Assoka or whatever, with the realism and quality of Andor.... That would be nice.
Ashoka is a bland unchanging corporate empowerment character written and run by a guy who should be selling neon screenprinted KISS t-shirts down at the Swap-Mart.
Filoni just isn’t a bright man. He doesn’t elevate material. He’s not a Tony Gilroy, or a Nicholas Meyer or even a Christopher Nolan. He’s a Saturday morning cartoon staff writer on his best day.
>He’s a Saturday morning cartoon staff writer on his best day.
yeah its such a tragedy, and they are about to give him his own movies and his own new galaxy... Star Wars will be completely unrecognizable very soon.
I love The Clone Wars. I loved Andor.
I also liked The Bad Batch and Tales of the Jedi.
Ahsoka, however, fumbled a lot and the last two episodes completely jumped the shark.
Bad batch should really be more condensed, cut out some of the filler eps and you have a much better series overall
Yeah, I agree. When it's about the actual early Empire, its politics, transformation from the Republic, and Crosshair - it's actually amazing. Omega and shitty filler missions detract from that - it honestly feels like fricking executive meddling to have a mandatory kid character. But now that they are no longer mercenaries and Omega was kidnapped by the Empire, I expect season 3 to be a lot more focused and consistently relevant.
It should be called “Pushing the Ezra” in Star Wars. Not jumping the shark, but pushing the ezra.
>What should be the future of Star Wars?
all star wars fans and content creators killing themselves and ridding the world of their filth.
Ahsoka sucks. Andor was chill.