>the sequels are so much fricking worse
The only sequel worse than any prequel is Rise of Skywalker. And that's because they literally tried to appeal to the prequelmemes crowd with that one rather than trying to be internally consistent.
Have you seen them? You don't even have to go deep into technical details of filmmaking to notice that they don't hold up to any scrutiny.
They have abysmal acting, even from genuinely good actors (no doubt due to George Lucas being unable to direct actors, as Hamill, Ford, Fisher and Guiness have already publicly stated over 40 years ago).
Most of their scenes were filmed in front of a greenscreen, and that's extremely easy to spot (the CG hasn't aged well either, and really needs an update).
You have terrible editing decisions, like using closeups of the actors' faces during lightsaber fights for 80% of those fights, the worst offenders being the Dooku fight in AotC and Anakin/Obiwan in RotS.
The dialogues were some of the worst ever written, extremely stilted, on the nose and at times nonsensical (that's why they get memed, which, contrary to what redditors believe, is not a good thing).
And like I said, I won't go into the more academic details here, neither of filmmaking nor storytelling. But it doesn't look good for the prequels there either.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How bout making your own opinions instead of regurgitating the same shit from the Plinkett reviews.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>instead of regurgitating the same shit from the Plinkett reviews.
You haven't actually watched the Plinkett reviews, have you? He barely talks about scene editing in there, and what little he says about it is actually more of a bad joke not grounded in actual filmmaking theory.
As for the acting being bad, how could anyone not notice that or bring it up? Do you want me to ignore it just because some youtuber also used the same criticism? That would be moronic, and intellectually dishonest.
Pitiful.
TFA is a glib facsimile of ANH that utterly misses the point while having a meandering, boring plot relying almost entirely on events just happening rather than being connected by anything other than contrivance. It’s utterly lifeless because it relies solely on parasitic references to the OT, while utterly failing to realise that the OT didn’t need more that it presented due to being the establishing series.
TLJ is a morally repugnant mess of a film. It’s simultaneously boring, hypocritical and almost as reliant on theft as TFA, with the major difference being that unlike TFA, TLJ stole from the OT as a whole as opposed to singling out one movie. It is mean spirited, filled with characters clearly reading the script due to their utterly nonsensical actions, and filled with plot holes that reveal a shocking lack of script revisions (the shuttle ride utterly obliterates the chase plot, for example) this isn’t even going into shameless character assassination in a transparent attempt to portray Leia and Luke as hopeless incompetents to get them out of Rey’s way.
ROS is a completely clusterfrick but what else could it have been? It’s certainly no better or worse, but it’s got an excuse.
You don't really know much about film, do you?
Also, let's assume, for the sake of the argument that all you wrote was indeed true: How does that make them any worse than the prequels, which outright fail as films?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't really know much about film, do you?
And you do? The prequels were made in a way to evoke the melodramatic nature of old school Hollywood. It was never intended to be grounded or be like that of a Marvel movie. The theatrics are baked in by design. Telenovelas and even anime do the same exact shit. I'm young and Latino, so I'm already familiar with that shit. Because of that, I actually understand what Lucas was going for.
Except, as unimaginative as TFA was, it does not have any major internal contradictions like ROS does (plot-wise and thematically).
3 months ago
Anonymous
I have to assume this is bait, because what you said is beyond moronic. It's probably the stupidest thing I've heard this month.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Tell me than, what elements of TFA contradict one another like, say Palpatine in ROS losing by getting killed by Rey, after wanting Rey to kill him to win? And him being happy about getting found by Rey, after trying his hardest to not be found, after announcing himself to the whole galaxy? And him sending people out to hunt and kill Rey when his whole plan required Rey not to be killed?
What in TFA was even remotely as internally contradictory as that?
3 months ago
Anonymous
How about Finn, a somehow unblooded child soldier who despite now being an adult raised his entire life in first order indoctrination, somehow wasn't actually indoctrinated and nobody ever noticed? How about his devestation at his best friend being killed and shorty after becoming instant best friends with the guy who killed his former best friend? How about him whooping and hollering with glee while his new best friend kills his former brothers? Oh and don't forget he's a janitor too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>somehow wasn't actually indoctrinated
What? He was. The film states that very clearly. >nobody ever noticed
They do notice that he's developing doubts. There's a scene right after he returns to the base, where Phasma brings it up to Hux. That scene also establishes that storm troopers breaking their conditioning and requiring reeducation is not a singularity, and that indeed protocols exist to deal with it. They then put Finn in confinement to prepare his re-indoctrination, which he escapes. >his devestation at his best friend being killed and shorty after becoming instant best friends with the guy who killed his former best friend
Not sure about that guy being his best friend, but yes, him going from being shocked about his comrade being killed to then killing his former comrade is an inconsistency. Nowhere near what ROS does though, but more along the lines of Padme being shocked that Anakin killed younglings when she had no apparent problem with "the children too" in Attack of the Clones, or Anakin's general behaviour about Palpatine in RotS. That's characters being inconsistent in their beliefs, whereas Palpatine's plans in ROS make no sense whatsoever and the only reason it worked out for him was dumb luck and that his goons failed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Tusken Raiders are savages. Frick 'em.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Frick 'em.
Meh. Not my type.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You can suck mouse wiener all the live long day. Nothing in the sequels made any sense
3 months ago
Anonymous
TFA being unimaginative destroyed the entire sequel era
At least TLJ is bad. TFA is nothing, there's no reason for it to exist, there's no reason for there to be side media, it's nothing more than a knockoff of the OT.
Despite being the most palatable of the movies, it is the worst one by far
3 months ago
Anonymous
>At least TLJ is bad.
As a film? No. It's arguable the best made Star Wars, period, on the technical side of things.
As a wish-fulfilment for franchise fanboys? Yeah, probably. >TFA is nothing, there's no reason for it to exist
It's what people had asked for for over a decade. Let's not pretend that the same fans who now say that a continuation of the story was a mistake have pestered Lucas to make exactly that for years, and that the EU did the same thing even before that, with story beats just as terrible, if not worse, than anything the Disney sequels came up with.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, quit simping for Disney. It's pathetic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It's arguable the best made Star Wars, period, on the technical side of things.
have a nice day
3 months ago
Anonymous
You know nothing about filmmaking.
I mean, of course you don't, since you think the prequels are well-made.
What you need to learn is that you have every right to dislike a genuinely good film for whatever personal reasons you have. You do not need to pretend that it's badly made just because you have a dislike for it.
And conversely, you need to realize that not every film you like (or even love) is therefore well-made. There's a lot to love about the prequels (mainly Lucas' vision for them), but they are terrible films in every regard that can be measured somewhat objectively.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There's nothing special/brilliant/groundbreaking in the last jedi, technically speaking or story wise. On top of that it was a very ugly film.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>nothing special/brilliant/groundbreaking in the last jedi
If you compare it to the very best films in the history of the medium, that's true. It doesn't do anything special. It just manages to do what other good films also had done very well.
But if you compare it to other entries to the Star Wars franchise, which range from good (TESB) to complete trash (AOTC), yes, it was particularly outstanding, and brought things to the franchise that hadn't been done before.
It also stands to note that it's the only one that actually nailed the homages to Kurosawa's visual style that Lucas tried to imitate back in 1977. No surprise, since Johnson is a perfectionist when it comes to technical details, whereas Lucas is more of a broad-strokes guy (nothing wrong with that). Probably one of the reasons Lucas himself released a press statement about how he thought TLJ was well-made - it really paid tribute to the things that had once inspired him, and to what made Star Wars Star Wars in his own mind (which is entirely different from what fanboys think makes Star Wars Star Wars). In contrast, Lucas publicly spoke out against TFA with no uncertain words, and he did not comment of ROS at all.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Stop embarrassing yourself, mouse Black person.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You know nothing about filmmaking. >I mean, of course you don't, since you think the prequels are well-made. >What you need to learn is that you have every right to dislike a genuinely good film for whatever personal reasons you have.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>muh continuity/editing error
Case in point: You know nothing about filmmaking.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>it is technically great movie >muh continuity/editing error that enables the plot to happen
Go back to bed you Kurosawa Johnson you. I can keep bombarding you with technical genius of mr. Bobblehead until you have a nice day out of shame/cognitive disonance.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>that enables the plot to happen
Kek. Again, you know nothing about filmmaking.
Try watching your beloved prequels with such a critical eye as you apply to TLJ.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you actually knew as much as you feigned, you’d know that trying to browbeat people gives diminishing returns, and that at some point you put up or shut up.
You out yourself as a pseud with each post, and doubtless you’ll do it again in your quest for the last word.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nice non-argument you have there, now go back to /r/prequelmemes where you belong.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Butmuh prequels doesn't make TLJ competent. Johnson is a shitter that knows nothing about framing, lightning, field of depth or coherent style, and his entire approach to filmmaking is 'Nah, they won't notice'.
That is consistent throughout his entire filmography, one movie uglier than the other.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Johnson is a perfectionist when it comes to technical details >muh continuity/editing error
3 months ago
Anonymous
You keep demnstrating your utter ignorance on the topic.
Kubrick had tons of continuity errors in his films, and he was an autist who actually obsessed over continuity.
But go ahead and name a single feature film without one.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Johnson is neither Kurosawa nor Kubrick, he is dishonest Snyder.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're trying to move goalposts again. Of course you are.
Butmuh prequels doesn't make TLJ competent. Johnson is a shitter that knows nothing about framing, lightning, field of depth or coherent style, and his entire approach to filmmaking is 'Nah, they won't notice'.
That is consistent throughout his entire filmography, one movie uglier than the other.
>Johnson is a shitter that knows nothing about framing, lightning, field of depth or coherent style
Well, seems like everyone who actually knows about those things, including George Lucas, disagrees with you.
For me it's neither. That's why I liked the Old Republic, divorce yourself from all the pile of shit, and have some fun. And that's why using Mandalirian as a launching pad for all the spin-offs that connect back to long-ass cartoons no one watched and are supposed to climax in some movie(s) is so cancerous.
Yes, but the point is it doesn't matter. That was the whole point, you go 4000 years in the past, so you can forget about everything else, the "canon" doesn't matter even if it's technically part of it. But it's not true with e.g. Mandalorian that got hijacked for all the other bullshit.
If by that you mean the OT, accepting the PT for the EU material it enables and the EU, then I agree
Don’t be such a fricking nerd.
Don’t be such a stalker child that will be enjoying prison
for me it's the reboot that I have in my head that is much better
Star Wars doesn't need cannon. Stories should be in semi-cannon limbo like real mythology.
That’s gay.
They're both shit
Stars Wars 1-6, Dark Forces games, Shadows of the Empire, Andor. That's it.
Maybe KOTOR 1 and 2.
Minus the prequels. They're shit and non-canon.
Explain why they’re shit.
Watch the Plinkett reviews.
No thanks. I got my own opinions.
>Glup Shitto
Oh but the KOTOR bullshit is fine?
the sequels are so much fricking worse it's hilarious
>the sequels are so much fricking worse
The only sequel worse than any prequel is Rise of Skywalker. And that's because they literally tried to appeal to the prequelmemes crowd with that one rather than trying to be internally consistent.
Explain why the prequels are bad.
Have you seen them? You don't even have to go deep into technical details of filmmaking to notice that they don't hold up to any scrutiny.
They have abysmal acting, even from genuinely good actors (no doubt due to George Lucas being unable to direct actors, as Hamill, Ford, Fisher and Guiness have already publicly stated over 40 years ago).
Most of their scenes were filmed in front of a greenscreen, and that's extremely easy to spot (the CG hasn't aged well either, and really needs an update).
You have terrible editing decisions, like using closeups of the actors' faces during lightsaber fights for 80% of those fights, the worst offenders being the Dooku fight in AotC and Anakin/Obiwan in RotS.
The dialogues were some of the worst ever written, extremely stilted, on the nose and at times nonsensical (that's why they get memed, which, contrary to what redditors believe, is not a good thing).
And like I said, I won't go into the more academic details here, neither of filmmaking nor storytelling. But it doesn't look good for the prequels there either.
How bout making your own opinions instead of regurgitating the same shit from the Plinkett reviews.
>instead of regurgitating the same shit from the Plinkett reviews.
You haven't actually watched the Plinkett reviews, have you? He barely talks about scene editing in there, and what little he says about it is actually more of a bad joke not grounded in actual filmmaking theory.
As for the acting being bad, how could anyone not notice that or bring it up? Do you want me to ignore it just because some youtuber also used the same criticism? That would be moronic, and intellectually dishonest.
Pitiful.
TFA is a glib facsimile of ANH that utterly misses the point while having a meandering, boring plot relying almost entirely on events just happening rather than being connected by anything other than contrivance. It’s utterly lifeless because it relies solely on parasitic references to the OT, while utterly failing to realise that the OT didn’t need more that it presented due to being the establishing series.
TLJ is a morally repugnant mess of a film. It’s simultaneously boring, hypocritical and almost as reliant on theft as TFA, with the major difference being that unlike TFA, TLJ stole from the OT as a whole as opposed to singling out one movie. It is mean spirited, filled with characters clearly reading the script due to their utterly nonsensical actions, and filled with plot holes that reveal a shocking lack of script revisions (the shuttle ride utterly obliterates the chase plot, for example) this isn’t even going into shameless character assassination in a transparent attempt to portray Leia and Luke as hopeless incompetents to get them out of Rey’s way.
ROS is a completely clusterfrick but what else could it have been? It’s certainly no better or worse, but it’s got an excuse.
You don't really know much about film, do you?
Also, let's assume, for the sake of the argument that all you wrote was indeed true: How does that make them any worse than the prequels, which outright fail as films?
>You don't really know much about film, do you?
And you do? The prequels were made in a way to evoke the melodramatic nature of old school Hollywood. It was never intended to be grounded or be like that of a Marvel movie. The theatrics are baked in by design. Telenovelas and even anime do the same exact shit. I'm young and Latino, so I'm already familiar with that shit. Because of that, I actually understand what Lucas was going for.
>internally consistent.
tfa threw that concept out the windu
Except, as unimaginative as TFA was, it does not have any major internal contradictions like ROS does (plot-wise and thematically).
I have to assume this is bait, because what you said is beyond moronic. It's probably the stupidest thing I've heard this month.
Tell me than, what elements of TFA contradict one another like, say Palpatine in ROS losing by getting killed by Rey, after wanting Rey to kill him to win? And him being happy about getting found by Rey, after trying his hardest to not be found, after announcing himself to the whole galaxy? And him sending people out to hunt and kill Rey when his whole plan required Rey not to be killed?
What in TFA was even remotely as internally contradictory as that?
How about Finn, a somehow unblooded child soldier who despite now being an adult raised his entire life in first order indoctrination, somehow wasn't actually indoctrinated and nobody ever noticed? How about his devestation at his best friend being killed and shorty after becoming instant best friends with the guy who killed his former best friend? How about him whooping and hollering with glee while his new best friend kills his former brothers? Oh and don't forget he's a janitor too.
>somehow wasn't actually indoctrinated
What? He was. The film states that very clearly.
>nobody ever noticed
They do notice that he's developing doubts. There's a scene right after he returns to the base, where Phasma brings it up to Hux. That scene also establishes that storm troopers breaking their conditioning and requiring reeducation is not a singularity, and that indeed protocols exist to deal with it. They then put Finn in confinement to prepare his re-indoctrination, which he escapes.
>his devestation at his best friend being killed and shorty after becoming instant best friends with the guy who killed his former best friend
Not sure about that guy being his best friend, but yes, him going from being shocked about his comrade being killed to then killing his former comrade is an inconsistency. Nowhere near what ROS does though, but more along the lines of Padme being shocked that Anakin killed younglings when she had no apparent problem with "the children too" in Attack of the Clones, or Anakin's general behaviour about Palpatine in RotS. That's characters being inconsistent in their beliefs, whereas Palpatine's plans in ROS make no sense whatsoever and the only reason it worked out for him was dumb luck and that his goons failed.
Tusken Raiders are savages. Frick 'em.
>Frick 'em.
Meh. Not my type.
You can suck mouse wiener all the live long day. Nothing in the sequels made any sense
TFA being unimaginative destroyed the entire sequel era
At least TLJ is bad. TFA is nothing, there's no reason for it to exist, there's no reason for there to be side media, it's nothing more than a knockoff of the OT.
Despite being the most palatable of the movies, it is the worst one by far
>At least TLJ is bad.
As a film? No. It's arguable the best made Star Wars, period, on the technical side of things.
As a wish-fulfilment for franchise fanboys? Yeah, probably.
>TFA is nothing, there's no reason for it to exist
It's what people had asked for for over a decade. Let's not pretend that the same fans who now say that a continuation of the story was a mistake have pestered Lucas to make exactly that for years, and that the EU did the same thing even before that, with story beats just as terrible, if not worse, than anything the Disney sequels came up with.
Dude, quit simping for Disney. It's pathetic.
>It's arguable the best made Star Wars, period, on the technical side of things.
have a nice day
You know nothing about filmmaking.
I mean, of course you don't, since you think the prequels are well-made.
What you need to learn is that you have every right to dislike a genuinely good film for whatever personal reasons you have. You do not need to pretend that it's badly made just because you have a dislike for it.
And conversely, you need to realize that not every film you like (or even love) is therefore well-made. There's a lot to love about the prequels (mainly Lucas' vision for them), but they are terrible films in every regard that can be measured somewhat objectively.
There's nothing special/brilliant/groundbreaking in the last jedi, technically speaking or story wise. On top of that it was a very ugly film.
>nothing special/brilliant/groundbreaking in the last jedi
If you compare it to the very best films in the history of the medium, that's true. It doesn't do anything special. It just manages to do what other good films also had done very well.
But if you compare it to other entries to the Star Wars franchise, which range from good (TESB) to complete trash (AOTC), yes, it was particularly outstanding, and brought things to the franchise that hadn't been done before.
It also stands to note that it's the only one that actually nailed the homages to Kurosawa's visual style that Lucas tried to imitate back in 1977. No surprise, since Johnson is a perfectionist when it comes to technical details, whereas Lucas is more of a broad-strokes guy (nothing wrong with that). Probably one of the reasons Lucas himself released a press statement about how he thought TLJ was well-made - it really paid tribute to the things that had once inspired him, and to what made Star Wars Star Wars in his own mind (which is entirely different from what fanboys think makes Star Wars Star Wars). In contrast, Lucas publicly spoke out against TFA with no uncertain words, and he did not comment of ROS at all.
Stop embarrassing yourself, mouse Black person.
>You know nothing about filmmaking.
>I mean, of course you don't, since you think the prequels are well-made.
>What you need to learn is that you have every right to dislike a genuinely good film for whatever personal reasons you have.
>muh continuity/editing error
Case in point: You know nothing about filmmaking.
>it is technically great movie
>muh continuity/editing error that enables the plot to happen
Go back to bed you Kurosawa Johnson you. I can keep bombarding you with technical genius of mr. Bobblehead until you have a nice day out of shame/cognitive disonance.
>that enables the plot to happen
Kek. Again, you know nothing about filmmaking.
Try watching your beloved prequels with such a critical eye as you apply to TLJ.
If you actually knew as much as you feigned, you’d know that trying to browbeat people gives diminishing returns, and that at some point you put up or shut up.
You out yourself as a pseud with each post, and doubtless you’ll do it again in your quest for the last word.
Nice non-argument you have there, now go back to /r/prequelmemes where you belong.
Butmuh prequels doesn't make TLJ competent. Johnson is a shitter that knows nothing about framing, lightning, field of depth or coherent style, and his entire approach to filmmaking is 'Nah, they won't notice'.
That is consistent throughout his entire filmography, one movie uglier than the other.
>Johnson is a perfectionist when it comes to technical details
>muh continuity/editing error
You keep demnstrating your utter ignorance on the topic.
Kubrick had tons of continuity errors in his films, and he was an autist who actually obsessed over continuity.
But go ahead and name a single feature film without one.
Johnson is neither Kurosawa nor Kubrick, he is dishonest Snyder.
You're trying to move goalposts again. Of course you are.
>Johnson is a shitter that knows nothing about framing, lightning, field of depth or coherent style
Well, seems like everyone who actually knows about those things, including George Lucas, disagrees with you.
>Andor
have a nice day
Filtered
The EU was always trash.
Worse even than Attack of the Clones and Rice of Skywalker combined.
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
Star Wars is officially for homosexuals and trannies these days.
>these days
quads of truth
Mouse Wars is. EU’s still gold.
The EU was never good.
And the worst ideas of the sequels (Palpatine returning via Clones) were ripped straight from the EU.
>The EU was never good.
Explain why.
Woodoo hide
The old canon is good, the new "canon" is an abomination that's far from homely.
For me it's neither. That's why I liked the Old Republic, divorce yourself from all the pile of shit, and have some fun. And that's why using Mandalirian as a launching pad for all the spin-offs that connect back to long-ass cartoons no one watched and are supposed to climax in some movie(s) is so cancerous.
The Old Republic is a part of the EU.
Yes, but the point is it doesn't matter. That was the whole point, you go 4000 years in the past, so you can forget about everything else, the "canon" doesn't matter even if it's technically part of it. But it's not true with e.g. Mandalorian that got hijacked for all the other bullshit.