Worst thing that happened to it was George getting the merchandising rights, set the direction of all of it to be less mature and aimed at kids and toy sales, when that wasn't even involved at first with ANH.
It definitely has the potential to be a much more mature story, but, nope, toy sales it was instead.
And hey, the nice thing about toy sales and being aimed at kids is you can just phone in the scripts, and any time someone brings up a plot hole, you can go "it's a kid's movie, who cares".
Lol, no, there's a limit to how much you can phone it in. And what you can't phone in is at least grabbing kids with lowest common denominators, and good design. Lucas wasn't stupid, he nailed his primary goal of selling the toys just fine, he just didn't nail the movies like he should have.
>has been since the first film.
Yes but it's always had the potential to be so much more. The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out, around whatever garbage George decided was canon at the time.
That was the only thing that paid for it in a way that wasn't generic studio rehash shit. ILM and Lucasfilm/LucasArts (who made some legitimately good media products back in the day) would've never existed without the financial independence moves like merchanising rights afforded Lucas specifically. He would've been hamstrung by the studio system and none of that stuff would've come to pass.
>has been since the first film.
Yes but it's always had the potential to be so much more. The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out, around whatever garbage George decided was canon at the time.
>The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out,
Oh, you're one of those morons.
>That was the only thing that paid for it in a way that wasn't generic studio rehash shit. >Oh, you're one of those morons.
It's ironic that you consider those contributions to it all moronic, when we're talking about a franchise that kept running off of those merch sales in the decades between George doing jack shit with it (remember this is a franchise that went 20 years with strong merch sales and only 3 fricking movies) largely by the EU keeping it all chugging along in the background.
No I liked the EU in general but I'm not a pretentious moron that thought it was deep or sophisticated. Nor am I a moron triggered by Ewoks and imprint a dislike for merchandising on them.
>I'm not a pretentious moron that thought it was deep or sophisticated
I think you're mistaking me with someone else you've previously argued with there. >a moron triggered by Ewoks and imprint a dislike for merchandising on them.
Same thing there.
No, because I was pointing out the statement: "The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out" as being moronic, not calling the EU (or the products produced by ILM and LucasArts) moronic, so there was no irony in my post, which you implied there was in 7885.
ROTJ was better with Wookies but miniature Wookies were much cuter and thus an easier sell, it's clearly a creative decision made by sales and marketing logic. AKA cancer.
I';ve argued before that the idea that Endor was supposed to be slave Wookies would be fricking moronic, because Star Wars pointed out that you don't frick with Wookies. If Wookies were the indigenous group on Endor being used as slave labor, there would be NO EXCUSE for the Empire's complete arrogance and half-assed garrison on the planet. That arrogance was what allowed the plucky rebel heroes to turn the tide and save the day, with the help of their unlikely new allies (that even they disregarded at first contact).
Battle for Endor is great. Caravan of Courage is fricking grim.
I thought Battle of Endor was pretty grim considering the little girl's family was killed in front of her almost right away. Back in the good old days when children weren't coddled from reality.
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>I was pointing out the statement: "The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out" as being moronic
But that's what they did. >Star Wars pointed out that you don't frick with Wookies. If Wookies were the indigenous group on Endor being used as slave labor, there would be NO EXCUSE for the Empire's complete arrogance and half-assed garrison on the planet.
But even at that time, Han and Chewie met while he was enslaved.
Battle for Endor is great. Caravan of Courage is fricking grim.
I remember (in sort of a grim foreshadowing) how Disney Channel showed Battle for Endor in the 90s. Fricking traumatizing how the family dies in the first few minutes
ROTJ was better with Wookies but miniature Wookies were much cuter and thus an easier sell, it's clearly a creative decision made by sales and marketing logic. AKA cancer.
It didn't frick with Empire too much, but you can see its influence hard as hell in ROTJ, especially since George had lost his creative drive with it and cancelled the two other trilogies he'd planned to do dealing with Vader and the Emperor.
>woman makes a move while beta creep passively waits out the progress of of the bad idea on her part that he c**tishly allows to happen
Why is this in every Ewan macgregor movie?
The EU wasn't perfect by a long shot and it had some dumb decisions/characters and shit tons of filler, BUT over 40 years was made into a flawed yet mostly carefully constructed miniature model of it all, far superior to all the liquid diarrhea Yidsney replaced it with.
>if you're pissing people off you're doing something right
I fricking hate this attitude. This butthole like so many others in israelitelywood has no idea what fricking ESCAPISM is supposed to be.
No, it really isn't, it's a vent. Memes are a vent, shitposting is a vent, there are many vents, escapism into fiction is just another vent.
That doesn't mean everything has to be escapism but stop shoving the chocolate in the peanut butter.
If you want to subvert SW you get in line behind Robot Chicken and Family Guy and Mel Brooks like 20 years ago, you don't do it in the ST. You're not breaking any ground or doing anything new, butthole.
No shit? What tipped you off?
when the matrix came out
Except for Andor.
andor was a ww2 show not related to star wars
just like ANH
just like you
>just like ANH
Original Star Wars is a crossbreed of The Hidden Fortress, The Dam Busters, and legally distinct Flash Gordon.
...and WWII aerial combat footage.
Maybe you should google what The Dam Busters is because that's the ingress point for WW2 influence.
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
Worst thing that happened to it was George getting the merchandising rights, set the direction of all of it to be less mature and aimed at kids and toy sales, when that wasn't even involved at first with ANH.
It definitely has the potential to be a much more mature story, but, nope, toy sales it was instead.
And hey, the nice thing about toy sales and being aimed at kids is you can just phone in the scripts, and any time someone brings up a plot hole, you can go "it's a kid's movie, who cares".
Is that why the toy sales and movies are doing so well now?
Lol, no, there's a limit to how much you can phone it in. And what you can't phone in is at least grabbing kids with lowest common denominators, and good design. Lucas wasn't stupid, he nailed his primary goal of selling the toys just fine, he just didn't nail the movies like he should have.
Star Wars is generic fantasy with a coat of space paint and has been since the first film.
>has been since the first film.
Yes but it's always had the potential to be so much more. The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out, around whatever garbage George decided was canon at the time.
That was the only thing that paid for it in a way that wasn't generic studio rehash shit. ILM and Lucasfilm/LucasArts (who made some legitimately good media products back in the day) would've never existed without the financial independence moves like merchanising rights afforded Lucas specifically. He would've been hamstrung by the studio system and none of that stuff would've come to pass.
>The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out,
Oh, you're one of those morons.
>That was the only thing that paid for it in a way that wasn't generic studio rehash shit.
>Oh, you're one of those morons.
It's ironic that you consider those contributions to it all moronic, when we're talking about a franchise that kept running off of those merch sales in the decades between George doing jack shit with it (remember this is a franchise that went 20 years with strong merch sales and only 3 fricking movies) largely by the EU keeping it all chugging along in the background.
No I liked the EU in general but I'm not a pretentious moron that thought it was deep or sophisticated. Nor am I a moron triggered by Ewoks and imprint a dislike for merchandising on them.
>I'm not a pretentious moron that thought it was deep or sophisticated
I think you're mistaking me with someone else you've previously argued with there.
>a moron triggered by Ewoks and imprint a dislike for merchandising on them.
Same thing there.
No, because I was pointing out the statement: "The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out" as being moronic, not calling the EU (or the products produced by ILM and LucasArts) moronic, so there was no irony in my post, which you implied there was in 7885.
I';ve argued before that the idea that Endor was supposed to be slave Wookies would be fricking moronic, because Star Wars pointed out that you don't frick with Wookies. If Wookies were the indigenous group on Endor being used as slave labor, there would be NO EXCUSE for the Empire's complete arrogance and half-assed garrison on the planet. That arrogance was what allowed the plucky rebel heroes to turn the tide and save the day, with the help of their unlikely new allies (that even they disregarded at first contact).
I thought Battle of Endor was pretty grim considering the little girl's family was killed in front of her almost right away. Back in the good old days when children weren't coddled from reality.
>I was pointing out the statement: "The old EU authors did a fairly decent job overall of fleshing the whole universe and mythos out" as being moronic
But that's what they did.
>Star Wars pointed out that you don't frick with Wookies. If Wookies were the indigenous group on Endor being used as slave labor, there would be NO EXCUSE for the Empire's complete arrogance and half-assed garrison on the planet.
But even at that time, Han and Chewie met while he was enslaved.
Oh and to add to that, Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor are better than the Prequel and Sequel Trilogy.
Battle for Endor is great. Caravan of Courage is fricking grim.
I remember (in sort of a grim foreshadowing) how Disney Channel showed Battle for Endor in the 90s. Fricking traumatizing how the family dies in the first few minutes
ROTJ was better with Wookies but miniature Wookies were much cuter and thus an easier sell, it's clearly a creative decision made by sales and marketing logic. AKA cancer.
Interesting take
It didn't frick with Empire too much, but you can see its influence hard as hell in ROTJ, especially since George had lost his creative drive with it and cancelled the two other trilogies he'd planned to do dealing with Vader and the Emperor.
He's a moron and so are you.
At least Leia was cute and funny in it
>woman makes a move while beta creep passively waits out the progress of of the bad idea on her part that he c**tishly allows to happen
Why is this in every Ewan macgregor movie?
>perfect opportunity to focus on young Luke
>natural since fricking Obi-Wan's whole exile is to protect Luke
>make the series about Leia anyway
young luke was a fricking nerd. look at the scenes cut out of new hope
All I want from a "young Luke" is for him to be bored shitless farming moisture. I hate all this EU shit.
What you're actually hating is nu wars.
The EU wasn't perfect by a long shot and it had some dumb decisions/characters and shit tons of filler, BUT over 40 years was made into a flawed yet mostly carefully constructed miniature model of it all, far superior to all the liquid diarrhea Yidsney replaced it with.
I'm surprised they filmed in the desert
Whats wrong with your faaaaaace?!
one guy has synthol biceps
>if you're pissing people off you're doing something right
I fricking hate this attitude. This butthole like so many others in israelitelywood has no idea what fricking ESCAPISM is supposed to be.
Escapism is a meme.
No, it really isn't, it's a vent. Memes are a vent, shitposting is a vent, there are many vents, escapism into fiction is just another vent.
That doesn't mean everything has to be escapism but stop shoving the chocolate in the peanut butter.
If you want to subvert SW you get in line behind Robot Chicken and Family Guy and Mel Brooks like 20 years ago, you don't do it in the ST. You're not breaking any ground or doing anything new, butthole.
there was a tiktok of a guy approaching random celebrities and asked them what do they do
most of them answered normally, but this motherfricker almost assaulted the guy
patton was right. frick rhcp
Yeah it’s for millennials we already know that