>Star Wars will never be this kino again
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>Star Wars will never be this kino again
>Star Wars will never be this kino again
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stop saying kino.
its worn out like your moms c**t.
ludo
Ludo is for games.
not anymore
ludokino
That's for shitty games who pretend to be movies like Kojima slop or Last of Us slop.
star wars is just isekai for adult funko pop vinyl collectors or something
>isekai
what now? stop using random buzzwords if you don't know what they mean
>Grab the 4k empire fan version with the full film grain
>Put it on mini PC
>Hook it up to high brightness projector
>Project to my wall that's been painted in a metallic grey with black felt tape that doesn't reflect light surrounding the paint
>Turn up beefy soudbar and subwoofer
I miss my old place.
im pretty sure Empire is the only modern Star Wars remaster that wasn't butchered
Look I don't hate Jedi but this right here is peak Star Wars.
Every time I see it I'm reminded Star Wars will never be this good again.
kneel Cinemaphile
Jedi is good. Ewoks are good. Endor is good. Jabbas palace is good.
I have never not liked Jedi and there's no RLM tier gay alive or dead who will ever change my mind.
>Han and Leia benched by a door for 40 minutes
>good
Endor sucks.
Not my problem.
https://archive.org/details/StarWars16mm
I love Jedi too, was my favorite as a kid. Always loved seeing Luke become badass and redeem Vader, their stuff kinda makes up for Han and Leia really not having alot to do. I think really the worst part for me is Harrison Ford, he just seems like he doesn't give a shit, especially going over to the Indy movies, where it feels like he is actually trying, just seems like star wars was never really his thing
Supremely correct taste.
Damn right. RotJ is my favorite film of all-time and it's the best one, even better than TESB, which is great too.
The problem with Jedi isn't Jedi, I also like Jedi, it's that normies are too stupid to understand Jedi and so have spawned three decades of memegarbage based on their peanut-brained understanding and now Disneyfilm are actually writing official SW material as if those dipshit memes were accurate.
>The Force is with you, young Skywalker
>But you are not a Jedi yet
kino line
Everything on Cloud City is the best Star Wars ever was. Pure Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon space fantasy kino.
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Looks like marvel slop. Nothing beats the originals. Like the Yavin scene when they are preparing to depart for the death start
>no music
>only the god tier sounds of the X-Wing engines revving up and taking off
holy kino
I like both
Modern movies just have absolutely awful lighting. Why spend all that money on costumes and life size props if you can't even see them!
One of the reasons the Death Star battle works so well in the first movie is the way the pilots are cast and directed.
They aren't shouting and hollaring and going WOOHOOOO after shooting down tie fighters and shit, they're just laser fricking focused and cooly talking about the situation. It's because George literally based the pilots on recordings of Vietnam helicopter crews
He also copied a lot of stuff from The Dam Busters
This movie was really bad. Andor was great tho.
Rogue One has a lot of stuff that they did right but most of it was clearly created by Disney committee. Same with Solo. And Solo would have been really great if Ron Howard had directed it from the beginning. And Ron Howard was perfect for the job because he was in Hollywood when Star Wars came out. He probably hung out with Lucas when Empire and Jedi were in production. But directors and creators for ObiWan, Ahsoka, Mando, Boba Fett, Rogue One, Solo, and the NuQuels, these people are basically still kids. There's a big difference when you get someone who is a fan of star wars and someone who lived through star wars. And as for fans of star wars they are just so focused on forcing their own fan fiction and wishes into the movies like "I wish Luke was gay" or "I wish Leia was more of a dyke feminist" into new "products".
White people and real sets/models have made way for Black people and CGI. This is progress apparently.
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>ANAKIN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>ALL FLIGHT CREWS, MAN YOUR STATIONS
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Pure kino.
The actors played it straight. The effects are brilliant, even for today. The soundtrack is 10/10. The tension is real. Star Wars is absolutely one of THE best films of all time.
Nice but there's a better quality copy on youtube now:
That's from D+77 (where the cut footage is all 35mm footage from 4K77) your version's from Despecialized (which is older and still uses Laserdisc upscales for the missing footage)
And yeah, much as I love Empire, for me nothing beats the first Star Wars
>STAND BY ALERT, DEATH STAR APPROACHING, ESTIMATED TIME TO FIRING RANGE, 15 MINUTES
>SQUAD LEADERS, WE PICKED A NEW GROUP OF SIGNALS, ENEMY FIGHTERS COMING YOUR WAY..
Played the frick out of the Deathstar mission back when I had a gamecube
Yeah bummer.
Also, to the anon who told me "NO." to the Biggs cut of SW, I say: YES. It wasn't put out in most theaters, but most hardcore sources put it at between a dozen to two dozen theaters after the initial premier. Btw the early officially licensed 8mm SW reels confirm the alternate edit before the "A NEW HOPE" edit.
So with all due respect,I know my stuff, anon.
Yo. I'm here. Source for that? Because it legitimately seems bullshit. This is from the Rinzler book, it was one of the first things to get cut (the highlighted bit is about Marcia Lucas but that's just when people start parroting the "Marcia Lucas ackshully saved Star Wars in the editing room myth" which isn't really what we're talking about.) It was long gone by the time Brian De Palma, Spielberg et al. saw it in that screening in February 1977.
I know there's some seemingly "hardcore" fans but they're often misinformed and misremembering. The OriginaTrilogy forums people (they're the guys who've made Despecialized, 4K77 and all the other theatrical restorations) are pretty clear that the only changes made during its initial run were a handful of effects shots were cleaned up a bit (that's just matte lines) and that it was released with 2 different audio mixes (technically 3 but the 70mm 6-track mix and regular stereo are the same just mixed differently, the mono mix is different) and that's why some people legit remember it getting changed in the theater. The rest is just people remembering the novelisations and comic book adaptations and so on that had the Biggs and Luke scenes still in them
Also Star Wars didn't have a "premiere," it had an opening day (which Lucas missed cause he was still mixing the fricking audio - hence why there's 2 audio mixes.) Feel free to show me any evidence to the contrary but I think it's bullshit.
>Yo. I'm here. Source for that?
Real answer? The internet. There's a website that's called CEDmagic or something that backs me up, others are newsgroups, and old Star Wars Insider magazines from the early 90s, man. Not shitting you. (glad you came back)
>Feel free to show me any evidence to the contrary but I think it's bullshit.
A good place to start is looking at the Ken Films 8mm digests of scenes from Star Wars. They show a partial true original edit that at least confirms that :"A NEW HOPE" is not the original cut, that Lucas swears it is.
So that's a good starting place. Once you realize that A NEW HOPE is a different cut, the Biggs scenes become secondary, and admittedly harder to verify.
I'm surprised that no one else noticed that the Ken Films 8mm reels do indeed confirm that the 1981 re-titling was also a major re-edit.
tl;dr what fokkin scene, anon? Ok, oe scene that comes to mind is the escape from the Death Star, the droids "take the lead" in the new edit of 1981(and thus all "original VHS;et al releases) cut, but in the original, there's Harrison Ford doing his lines with no cut to the droids.
Okay, this'll take a bit.
1. I'm looking at CEDmagic right now but I don't really know where to look for this Star Wars information. Mind giving me a link
2. I've actually got scans of one of the key Star Wars Insider issues that kinda proves you wrong - I might post that in a bit - it's the one about the Lost Cut
3. EVERYONE KNOWS IT WAS CALLED STAR WARS IN THEATERS. I HAVE 4K77 (THE ORIGINAL CUT) RIGHT HERE. IT'S NOT CALLED A NEW HOPE. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. pic related
4. I don't think Lucas has ever claimed "it was always called A New Hope." He may have claimed "it was always supposed to be Episode 4," somewhere but generally it's other people involved with Star Wars who mistakenly remember the first movie as being Episode 4, not George
5. When the released those dvds with the original cuts on them (which were just low quality laserdisc scans which pissed everyone off) they stuck the original opening crawl onto Star Wars (the laserdisc scan was A New Hope.) If Lucas is claiming "it was always called Episode IV: A New Hope" then why would he release something that proves him wrong?
And finally:
6: The script's not called A New Hope. It's instead called The Adventures of Luke Skywalker Saga I: Star Wars.
Sorry if I'm a bit rudder this time around btw - I've had a few drinks. No offense meant you seem like a decent dude. I would refrain from believing everything you read on the internet without verifying the frick outta first tho. I've learnt that the hard way
>Sorry if I'm a bit rudder this time around btw - I've had a few drinks
I understand, besides it's our favorite space opera, not surgery, plus I'm stoned, although cogent.
OK, here's a link for CEDmagic:
http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/star-wars-lost-footage.html
>Oddly enough, there is ONE visual difference. As the stormtroopers
are distracted by the duel between Vader and Kenobi, Threepio turns
and says, "Come on, Artoo. We're going." CUT to Han who says, "Now's
our chance, go!" In the version with the mono mix, these two shots are
reversed!
There's a few other differences, anon, but there you go.
>Mind giving me a link
Kind of, feeling lazy and my back hurts.
>4. I don't think Lucas has ever claimed "it was always called A New Hope
No, he's claiming that the movie aside from the added title done in 1981 is the exact edit that came out in May and again in August of 1977, but the early 8mm films prove him wrong. Plus I personally recall him confirmed everything I'm saying on CBS in 1982. He felt that the world had to see the *true original Star Wars* one last time (he likes that phrase).
P.S. no not, confusing it with the "Lost Cut" which wasn't even a cut.
>P.S. no not, confusing it with the "Lost Cut" which wasn't even a cut.
Oh thank god for that. Okay, you're completely wrong about this but you seem to actually know what you're talking about slightly.
I'm watching it right now, even timestamped it to about where that specific difference is:
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It just looks like badly re-edited footage to me. Also there's no Biggs footage in it and even that guide you posted literally says:
>You will find a sizable body
of evidence that suggests the early Tatooine Biggs scenes were never shown in the theaters. (Given that the average "Star Wars" fanatic was 6 or 7 when it was released, coupled with the abundance of photos and written descriptions, it was easy for our active imaginations to conjure up the images that were missing.)
Not really helping your case here
>Okay, you're completely wrong about this
But I'm totally correct. You should trust me.
>It just looks like badly re-edited footage to me.
Yeah, George and Marcia's work, and I'm not saying that cut had the Biggs footage. Man, you said you were drinking, so no offense but I don't want to re-type a lot of stuff, but basically I'm working backwards.
>Not really helping your case here
I see what you mean, but the site agreed with me fully years ago and we recently changed. Not my fault. 🙂
>Yeah, George and Marcia's work, and I'm not saying that cut had the Biggs footage.
No I mean the difference between the 8mm footage and the theatrical cut looks like a hasty re-edit, I've timestamped for ya:
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They totally cut right when Luke's about to notice Ben and Vader fighting. It's a hasty re-edit done by whoever made the 8mm version, that's all.
That's this shot btw but I'm using 4K77 which has all the original theatrical audio mixes (they're the top 3 on that list) and they all synch to the version without the Biggs scenes. OT forums found these WAY before they actually restored the theatrical versions. If there was a theatrical release that came out with the Biggs scenes they would have that audio track but they don't.
>They totally cut right when Luke's about to notice Ben and Vader fighting. It's a hasty re-edit done by whoever made the 8mm version, that's all.
OK, but my main point was that this proves an earlier edit than the one sold on Betamax and VHS tapes;etc.
lol I fricked that greentext up. Let's try one more time:
>You will find a sizable body of evidence that suggests the early Tatooine Biggs scenes were never shown in the theaters. (Given that the average "Star Wars" fanatic was 6 or 7 when it was released, coupled with the abundance of photos and written descriptions, it was easy for our active imaginations to conjure up the images that were missing.)
Yeah the Biggs cut didn't exist outside of probably only the first cut the editors and George himself assembled
I got your drift regardless, but I'm sticking to my Sterling 9mms on this, anon.
>"it was always supposed to be Episode 4,"
Not true, someone posted a pic on this board the other day from EBS's production where ANH was 6 and ESB was 7 before he changed his mind.
I found it https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/196912707/#196914371
YEP! That was me lol. To be VERY CLEAR - this was written when Lucas was in the early stages of writing Empire. Not Star Wars (or New Hope or Episode 4 or whatever the frick we're calling it)
Are you trolling? The Annotated Screenplays verify that TESB was in fact called "Star Wars II"
That might've been me, was it this picture? And you might be stoned because originally it was just called Star Wars, I wasn't claiming anything else.
AT-ATs will never not be sick as frick.
Regardless if the cut ever existed, I think the Biggs scenes should have stayed. They add a whole new layer to Luke's character that just isn't in the movie.
Agreed that they should have remained a part of the film, but apparently Ron Howard, DePalma;et al said it felt too much like American Graffiti in space, so he cut it. So goes the story.
To me when he's in the film in the beginning it gives his death real impact at the end. Makes me cry even. With the ANH edit, nothing. No feeling at all.
I get why they would remove it because it fricks up the pacing early on: it happens in the middle of the opening battle.
Still, as sacrilegious as this might sounds, Luke is a very flat character in ANH. He gets a lot better on the next movies, but he lacks motivation beyond feeling bored at first.
>it happens in the middle of the opening battle.
Eh....sort of. The problem is that everyone but me and one other guy (and maybe Lucas himself if he hasn't gone senile) are the only ones who know the real order of shots, so if they're in the right place, the battle is just about over. I agree is it jarring to witness the first time, but it goes:
>Vader
>Luke
>Then back to Leia
Most put Luke in too early and that really fricks it up.
Not quite. Going by the script it's we cut to Luke in the desert right after the opening shootout, then cut back as Darth Vader walks on board.
>then cut back as Darth Vader walks on board.
That may be the script, but it deviated like they often do, trust me, Vader got introduced first, then Luke, then Leia. And I mean, Vader gets introduced, the troops walk by, we cut to Luke, then we cut back to Leia feeding R2, not Leia being marched.
Then cut from Leia getting stunned to Luke meeting his friends and Biggs (although it's worth noting a couple of beats were moved around and the droids have already blasted off with the plans at this point)
Oh sure they tried in a couple of different places. But no test audience or even an audience of Lucas's friends ever saw a cut with Biggs in it.
>But no test audience or even an audience of Lucas's friends ever saw a cut with Biggs in it.
Dude, you are so wrong. It was shown to his friends and it was put out in as many as two dozen screens, possibly as few as twelve, then shown one last time to the public in 1982, on CBS.
Here's the rest of the scene cause why not? It cuts back to Leia being interrogated by Vader (hence why they moved some beats around after they cut the Biggs scenes)
I'm just telling you that the real original deviated from the script and all youtubers and editors with their fan edits have the scenes in the wrong spots, but it's made for many artistic choices among editors. For a time I put Luke in between Rebel troops retreating and the droids taking cover, as did others.
And we cut from Threepio signalling unknowingly to the Sandcralwer and then back to Luke and Biggs one last time. At the end it cuts to R2 in the canyon and the rest of the movie is virtually the same other than one or two bits
>I gotta admit that the "lost cut" doesn't help de-muddy the waters at all.
Oh I'm not saying that. And yes, a complete misunderstanding of the lost cut (which isn't actually a fricking cut) has done nothing but muddy the waters. I'm just saying that the version of this scene, where we first meet Luke:
on Behind the Magic is the Lost Cut version. Which is fascinating because that's evidence that the lost cut actually does exist but also that the first time that scene was shown publically to anyone it was in black and white and silent. Which does kinda blow a bit of a hole in your whole "the Biggs cut exists" theory.
>also that the first time that scene was shown publically to anyone it was in black and white and silent.
But that's untrue. If you believe me (and I know you don't, but you're polite, a rarity here that I appreciate) it makes total sense.
Btw, I am very, very glad Lucas abandoned his first attempt, that is, the so-called "Lost cut" (that may or may not have ever had Biggs in it, apart from the real film that I say did have him) sucks. Bad effects and uninspired shots.
No I'm sorry but it's not true. And I'm also sorry for the quality of this, it's in potato quality but this is the Lost Cut version of the first Luke scene from Behind the Magic:
Yeah, it's in fricking garbage quality but that's the version that came out on Behind the Magic, the first time the deleted scenes ever got released publicaly. All the other Biggs scenes are there but are in color, have sound and are identical to the versions of the deleted scenes on the blu-ray. Only the first scene is in black and white, silent, is edited completely differently and ends with a big "SCENE MISSING" title card (cause the next scene would've been Vader's entrance and that was filmed on the last day, pic is George on the last wanting to die lmao, long after John Jympson had been fired)
Now riddle me this Batman. If it was so easy to resplice these scenes into the film for some tv broadcast on CBS or whatever, why couldn't they find the good version of that first scene when they made Behind the Magic? It wouldn't be too hard, you could just use the CBS tapes if you couldn't find the actual film, I mean it's 1998 CD-ROM, the quality ain't great (although it is better than the youtube clip I posted lol.) They don't even mention that clip's from the Lost Cut on Behind the Magic.
See my point? It kinda blows a great big hole in your theory
>No I'm sorry but it's not true.
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>*waits for you to be the twilight state of non-sleep yet not full consciousness*
>....
>Yes it is trueeee
>oohh
>oooh
>ohhhhh
>*you wake up drenched in sweat*
>*see a bulge under the bedcovers*
>*it's a decapitated plush Ewok*
>*it's a decapitated plush Ewok*
No it's more horrifying than that
>why couldn't they find the good version of that first scene when they made Behind the Magic?
That's part of what I'm trying to tell you. ALL of that footage exists in pristine condition in a salt mine, with the rest of it. Lucas kept it all. The Behind the Magic CD-ROM was fun, but mostly a grift.
No all the footage exists in Lucasfilm archives and I'm pretty sure they've digitally scanned all of it too for preservation purposes by this point. I just deny the existence of the Biggs cut just because it doesn't exist
>I just deny the existence of the Biggs cut just because it doesn't exist
It may not officially exist anymore (may not), but it exists unofficially, for sure.
ok PEACE.
BYEE
>Luke is a very flat character in ANH. He gets a lot better on the next movies, but he lacks motivation beyond feeling bored at first.
(sorry to reply twice in different posts)
I disagree, but it's interesting to me that someone can see it that way. Seems to me that he wanted to get off that desert shithole fast, then moreso after his aunt and uncle got murdered. He does get "deeper" in Empire and Jedi for sure though. In some ways they may as well be different films in terms of style.
>Agreed that they should have remained a part of the film, but apparently Ron Howard, DePalma;et al said it felt too much like American Graffiti in space, so he cut it. So goes the story.
That's not what happened. They got cut WAY before then. What happened after the screenings for George's friends was the opening crawl got changed a bit (which was suggested by De Palma) and the "Look sir, droids!" scene got moved to way earlier, meaning they had to move all the cutaways to the Death Star scenes back by one (which was suggested by Francis Ford Copolla.) That's it. Pic is again from the Rinzler book (sorry for the wall of text that's just how it looks)
I like the Biggs scenes too honestly. It gives a bit more to Luke. But I do prefer it the way we got it, the first 10 minutes of Star Wars is just fricking perfect
>That's not what happened. They got cut WAY before then
All right, I never claimed to have gotten their inputs down pat, so you're probably right, but I am telling you on my SOUL that it's a legit version that even got played on TV.
I'm sorry man but if that happened a tape would have surfaced by now. The earliest they got released was on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM in 1998 (although they did get screened for the first time a year before at some con.) The Behind the Magic version's interesting because the first cut scene: Luke it the desert - this one:
Is clearly from the Lost Cut and is edited completely differently from the version that eventually turned up on the blu-ray
>I'm sorry man but if that happened a tape would have surfaced by now.
Not necessarily and it's been confirmed that CBS owns, or recently owned an abnormally long version of the "original Star Wars."
I'll go to my grave saying these truths, man.
>The earliest they got released was on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM in 1998
Nope, CBS in 1982. Hand to God. On my Soul.
>the Lost Cut
But that was never a cut, that was an entirely abandoned version, huge difference. Those footages were never, ever assembled into a full film and were certainly never shown to any audience.
I gotta admit that the "lost cut" doesn't help de-muddy the waters at all.
The tone of the sequels is so off compared to the OT it’s ridiculous it never felt like the same series, compared this to Crait in last Jedi and the moronic shit that happens there with projection Luke confronting the walkers
Not trying to be edgy, but The Last Jedi is quite good save for a few spots, like the misguided humor and disgusting cry-bubble-kiss between Finn and Rose.
But there is a tone in the sequels that doesn’t feel like the OT, the sequels feel more fake and less sincere and too comedic. Not even talking about the quality of those films just the tone, the OT feels like something you can take more seriously, you can get lost in its world. I’m not sure why that is I’m guessing it’s a combination of the sequels having less world building and more quips
>But there is a tone in the sequels that doesn’t feel like the OT,
I'm with you fully on this. No, it doesn't feel like the OT, or PT, at all.
>the tone
Yeah, it looks like a committee got involved and they had to hit checkboxes.
>ok we need jokes to appeal to kids..
>and now we need an interracial romance
>and save the whales
>et cetera
But I still think it's the best sequel.
To me anything past 2005 is non-canon anyway.
>All wings report in
>Red 10 standing by
>Red 7 standing by
>Red 3, standing by
>Red 6, standing by
>Red 9, standing by
>Red 2, standing by
>Red 11, standing by
>Red 5, standing by
>Lock S-foils in attack position
>We're passing through the magnetic field. Hold tight. Switch your deflectors on - double front.
>Look at the size of that thing!
>Cut the chatter Red 2. Accelerate to attack speed.
>This is it boys.
>Red leader, this is Gold leader.
>I copy Gold leader.
>We're starting for the target shaft now.
>We're in position. I'm gonna cut across the axis and try and draw their fire.
>Heavy fire boss - 20 degrees!
>I see it. Stay low!
>This is Red 5, I'm going in.
>Luke! Pull out! Are you all right?
>I got a little cooked but I'm OK.
Btw the "WHOO WHOO WHOO WHOO" Curly sound from The Three Stooges was in the finished original when the Treadwell droid malfunctions on Luke. Even as a kid I thought that was a bit weird. This goes to show that Lucas always made some odd choices before he put farts into The Phantom Menace.
well, it's been good, anon. I hope you got some value out of my posts even though you disagree on my main le original cut argument.
I for one enjoy seeing someone reply who obviously cares for the original Star Wars and even knows that the "the lost cut" is not, in fact, a cut, which is downright rare these days.
By all means, anon, stay awesome. Or radical as we used to say in the 80s.
Alright seeya. I do frankly think I blew you the frickout with that last post but you do you. You seem alright. Cheers
>I do frankly think I blew you the frickout with that last post but you do you.
I'm just gettin really tired and in fairness to you and myself I wanted to wind it down, but also to hurry and reply before you go and pass out or the thread 404s.
You kind of did blow me the frick out, but you're still wrong. Like be like that, dough. You can be right and not have all the right evidence. I admit I barely have any evidence, but I do have some. What I don't have is definitive proof.
However, consider the Don Bies, the former archivist at Lucasfilm and bit actor as Boba Fett, says that I could be correct. Could be.
Ok, now off to sleep. Thanks for giving a shit about old Star Wars, the only SW worth discussing anymore.
G'Night! Sweet dreams. Disagree completely but you do you anon
wait a minute this is awesome
the big things looming in the distance is really scary
i forgot that star wars was good once
The prequels are the best Star Wars movies ever made, and im tired of pretending they're not.
Best music, best costumes, best fights, best battles, best dialogues, best aesthetics, best everything.
did you know the director of robocop 2 directed the empire strikes back?