I enjoyed it up to a point. The Ruby Sapphire lesbian relationship thing was okay. But then it was revealed right along with Lapis and Jasper fusion, which became a synonym for rape, with the "good" character Lapis being the rapist and everyone was cool with that because Jasper was a jerk, but also Jasper seemed okay with it if it got them more power.
Peridot's redemption arc was pretty fun (even if it was just Sugar's autisitic expression of redeeming Invader Zim via a proxy), but then the cluster thing was built up and solved in an incredibly anticlimactic way and I just kind of lost interest.
And then it turns out every other problem was given equally anticlimactic solutions. And the fusion becoming a stand in for sexual identity thing got increasingly fricked up as Steven started fusing with parental / sibling figures. Stevonie was weird enough, Smoky Quartz was just bad in a lot of ways, but when I saw the Greg fusion I felt that was a line that shouldn't have been crossed and was glad I stopped watching when I did.
Generally a stable relationship vs a toxic relationship with two people hate-fricking.
Ha, and Jasper was done in by an STD.
> equally anticlimactic solutions
Which is what you get when the main message of the show is non-violence. Steven talks to the bad guys. And then they give up. That's the only plot they really have up their sleeve. And I like the whole non-violence bit. But they really turn a blind-eye to scenarios where the bad guy actually has a point and simply believes in... whatever.
Fusion was ALWAYS a stand-in for sex. It's why Perl tried to cover Steven's eyes when they first did it. It's why dancing is foreplay. The whole show has always been about introducing sex to 13 year olds and encouraging them to do it.
Dont forget that one alphabet storyboarder who wanted to make Peridot asexual because she failed at fusion that one time with Garnet. And that moronic fusion, Grandma Lemonparty, who's designed to sell polygamy to kids.
Yes, fusions are sexy rituals akin to actual sex.
But think about this. Imagine if an alien civilization existed in which hugging was their version of sex. To you, hugging wouldn't be that big of a taboo. But to them every time you hug someone you frick them.
That's what I imagine fusion is like.
Oh no, I know it was a stand in from the start, but it was less of a problem when they were playing around with it in the early episodes. I mean it came off as a Sailor Moon transformation as much as it did as innuendo. The Garnet / Amethyst fusion was where it went a little too explicit. Then after the Ruby / Sapphire reveal it just got so much worse from there because it stopped being innuendo at all and the whole cast shifted from being Sailor / Sentai Crystal Gems thing to just being an angsty poly commune situation.
It was kind of funny that ultimately it did wind up showing how fricked up, jealous, and even cruel poly situations tend to devolve into. Though the show did it for mellow dramatic reasons instead of as an Aesop.
Honestly in retrospect I think I just liked the aesthetic of the show. Bean mouth aside, the color pallets and backgrounds were always really well done and when the show did have action it was well choreographed. Just to bad everything has to have subversive kink infecting it like everything else these days. It could have been one of the greats, but it'll likely age poorly as a result.
It's kinda hard to "like the color pallet" when the message is "have sex with your dad".
> Imagine if an alien civilization existed in which hugging was their version of sex.
We probably wouldn't make a kids show with all their hugging fetish material and show it to our kids to encourage "hugging". With quotes. Those quotes are there. We're not talking about hugging. We are talking about "HUGGING" as explicitly as the censors will let us get away with. Go "hug" kids. It's fun. Go find all the exciting ways you can "hug".
I'm surprised Garnet didn't give Steven a detailed lecture about how to lick the gemstone just so before fusing.
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>fusion was a metaphor for sex >ignore where the creators say it was a metaphor for any kind of close relationship
I no longer know when you fricks are doing "I'm just pretending to be moronic" trolling vs. just being moronic
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Anonymous
"close relationships" that can give Jasper an STD.
You know... when Jasper went around forcing "close relationships" with all the animalistic wild gems. Maybe he just "really liked the wildlife".
Oh, and I guess that means Lapis and Jasper were "close"?
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So why can't peridot fuse? The storyboarder said it is because peridot is asexual, meaning fusion is sex.
Or they are a moron and peridot can fuse.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Storyboarders aren't writers. Never let them pretend to be the writers, it WILL get stupid.
Remember: Ken Penders was a storyboarder for King of the Hill. Would you accept his word as Bible for that show?
2 years ago
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But steven universe had no writers, everyone was a storyboarder.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If Ken Penders said John Redcorn was part echidna I'd believe it.
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It's a metaphor for Peridot being incapable of forming any real emotions, as fusions require an emotional connection of some kind to work. Theoretically the only situation where Peridot would fuse is one where staying unfused greatly risks her own personal safety
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Anon fusion is sex. Steven (who is also his dead mom) fricked his dad (who is also his husband). Just accept that fact and move on.
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Anonymous
It is sex for exactly one character, and that's Garnet. Not one other character views the act anything other than a tecnhique to gain power in numbers.
Nice headcanon.
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Pearl literally fuses with Rose to tease Greg with how their relationship will never be "real" in gem terms.
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Chemically speaking, she is correct. Human flesh can't merge with solid carbon
If you fuse with a corrupted gem, you'll get infected and become corrupted yourself. You can literally pass STDs through fusion.
Except corruption is not an STD at all, nor is it caused by sexual activity in the first place.
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If you fuse with a corrupted gem, you'll get infected and become corrupted yourself. You can literally pass STDs through fusion.
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Anonymous
Its a kids show. The creators are not going to explicitly say that fusion is about as close to sex a gem can get. They expect you to read between the lines, like Peal date raping Garnet. But the people involved with the show forget that it IS a kids show, and kept putting in as many sexual metaphors as they could, which is why double dicked Steg comes off as creepy. Because they were pandering to the adults who wanted more sexual and queer shit added to the show.
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>But the people involved with the show forget that it IS a kids show,
oh no. No he knew exactly what they were doing.
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That's a real quote out of Rebecca Sugar. It's intentional and specifically targeting children.
2 years ago
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I gave them the benefit of the doubt. They are groomers using cute cartoons to push degenerate shit.
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If even one child genuinely gets their idea of sex from fusion in Steven Universe, they are a more lucky child than me.
2 years ago
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Here's the schizo again with their incest headcanon.
All the non violence slop makes me think of metal gear rising "I think we both agree, violence breeds violence, but in the end it has to be this way"
Aka, I know the cycle of revenge and shit but there is no way to settle this besides a fight.
Steven really looks up to his dad, and Greg is really proud of his son. This results in Steg being the embodiment of self-confidence. The uplifting nature of both is also likely why his power is literally lifting other people up.
Because masculinity is at the core of the relationship between Steven and Greg, so the personification of their relationship is gonna be masculine as hell.
Less "Masculinity" and more "Rock And Roll Masculinity," but yes, that was at the core of their relationship. Poison is shit, but Bret Michaels is the sort of rocker that Greg probably pictured himself looking like. Throw in Steven seeing the best in his dad, and Greg seeing the best in his son... boom, gigarocker.
The Movie was such a perfect ending for Steven Universe.
I remain absolutely dumbfounded that they followed it up with a season that fricked up almost everything nifty that was still left, all for the sake of going "Steven's traumatized actually. And that's okay! You guys needed a show saying it's okay to be traumatized right? Way more than you needed a show with a happy ending, right?"
For as shitty as future's ending was, i can forgive it for the entrance of chadven and the shattering of jasper. That was a highlight of the entire series for me.
>"Steven's traumatized actually. And that's okay! You guys needed a show saying it's okay to be traumatized right?
If anyone was a big fan of the show while they were underaged, they're GONNA be traumatized.
Dont forget that one alphabet storyboarder who wanted to make Peridot asexual because she failed at fusion that one time with Garnet. And that moronic fusion, Grandma Lemonparty, who's designed to sell polygamy to kids.
And Garnet being "fusion positive" and literally telling the teenagers to "go enjoy it".
And Pink's ship with the entrance right at the crotch.
The general height-fetish.
The "Human-zoo" with those loincloths and scheduled "Roll in the hay" time.
The mommy issues is actually rather tame material when it placed next to teaching teenagers to have sex as much as possible.
>inretrospect
It was akways creepy. You're just realisibg this? Fusion was an obvious metaphor for sexual relations and you have a fatger doing it with his son who's partially a reincarnation of his wife.
Father and Son duo turns lesbian straight.
Steven Universe was pretty bad in retrospect.
It's overhated.
The show is insulting and deservedly hated
Nah
what's your argument
How so?
Yes but it actually isn't
More like underhated.
You mean when you realize that fusion is a metaphor for sex, the idea of Steven fusing with his dad kinda seem a little off?
They even gave him a double-shafted guitar. They weren't even being subtle.
It was extreamly good at it's purpose. Trannies introducing a sex-positive message to children. Which "is pretty weird in retrospect"
I enjoyed it up to a point. The Ruby Sapphire lesbian relationship thing was okay. But then it was revealed right along with Lapis and Jasper fusion, which became a synonym for rape, with the "good" character Lapis being the rapist and everyone was cool with that because Jasper was a jerk, but also Jasper seemed okay with it if it got them more power.
Peridot's redemption arc was pretty fun (even if it was just Sugar's autisitic expression of redeeming Invader Zim via a proxy), but then the cluster thing was built up and solved in an incredibly anticlimactic way and I just kind of lost interest.
And then it turns out every other problem was given equally anticlimactic solutions. And the fusion becoming a stand in for sexual identity thing got increasingly fricked up as Steven started fusing with parental / sibling figures. Stevonie was weird enough, Smoky Quartz was just bad in a lot of ways, but when I saw the Greg fusion I felt that was a line that shouldn't have been crossed and was glad I stopped watching when I did.
Generally a stable relationship vs a toxic relationship with two people hate-fricking.
Ha, and Jasper was done in by an STD.
> equally anticlimactic solutions
Which is what you get when the main message of the show is non-violence. Steven talks to the bad guys. And then they give up. That's the only plot they really have up their sleeve. And I like the whole non-violence bit. But they really turn a blind-eye to scenarios where the bad guy actually has a point and simply believes in... whatever.
Fusion was ALWAYS a stand-in for sex. It's why Perl tried to cover Steven's eyes when they first did it. It's why dancing is foreplay. The whole show has always been about introducing sex to 13 year olds and encouraging them to do it.
Dont forget that one alphabet storyboarder who wanted to make Peridot asexual because she failed at fusion that one time with Garnet. And that moronic fusion, Grandma Lemonparty, who's designed to sell polygamy to kids.
Yes, fusions are sexy rituals akin to actual sex.
But think about this. Imagine if an alien civilization existed in which hugging was their version of sex. To you, hugging wouldn't be that big of a taboo. But to them every time you hug someone you frick them.
That's what I imagine fusion is like.
Oh no, I know it was a stand in from the start, but it was less of a problem when they were playing around with it in the early episodes. I mean it came off as a Sailor Moon transformation as much as it did as innuendo. The Garnet / Amethyst fusion was where it went a little too explicit. Then after the Ruby / Sapphire reveal it just got so much worse from there because it stopped being innuendo at all and the whole cast shifted from being Sailor / Sentai Crystal Gems thing to just being an angsty poly commune situation.
It was kind of funny that ultimately it did wind up showing how fricked up, jealous, and even cruel poly situations tend to devolve into. Though the show did it for mellow dramatic reasons instead of as an Aesop.
Honestly in retrospect I think I just liked the aesthetic of the show. Bean mouth aside, the color pallets and backgrounds were always really well done and when the show did have action it was well choreographed. Just to bad everything has to have subversive kink infecting it like everything else these days. It could have been one of the greats, but it'll likely age poorly as a result.
It's kinda hard to "like the color pallet" when the message is "have sex with your dad".
> Imagine if an alien civilization existed in which hugging was their version of sex.
We probably wouldn't make a kids show with all their hugging fetish material and show it to our kids to encourage "hugging". With quotes. Those quotes are there. We're not talking about hugging. We are talking about "HUGGING" as explicitly as the censors will let us get away with. Go "hug" kids. It's fun. Go find all the exciting ways you can "hug".
I'm surprised Garnet didn't give Steven a detailed lecture about how to lick the gemstone just so before fusing.
>fusion was a metaphor for sex
>ignore where the creators say it was a metaphor for any kind of close relationship
I no longer know when you fricks are doing "I'm just pretending to be moronic" trolling vs. just being moronic
"close relationships" that can give Jasper an STD.
You know... when Jasper went around forcing "close relationships" with all the animalistic wild gems. Maybe he just "really liked the wildlife".
Oh, and I guess that means Lapis and Jasper were "close"?
So why can't peridot fuse? The storyboarder said it is because peridot is asexual, meaning fusion is sex.
Or they are a moron and peridot can fuse.
Storyboarders aren't writers. Never let them pretend to be the writers, it WILL get stupid.
Remember: Ken Penders was a storyboarder for King of the Hill. Would you accept his word as Bible for that show?
But steven universe had no writers, everyone was a storyboarder.
If Ken Penders said John Redcorn was part echidna I'd believe it.
It's a metaphor for Peridot being incapable of forming any real emotions, as fusions require an emotional connection of some kind to work. Theoretically the only situation where Peridot would fuse is one where staying unfused greatly risks her own personal safety
Anon fusion is sex. Steven (who is also his dead mom) fricked his dad (who is also his husband). Just accept that fact and move on.
It is sex for exactly one character, and that's Garnet. Not one other character views the act anything other than a tecnhique to gain power in numbers.
Nice headcanon.
Pearl literally fuses with Rose to tease Greg with how their relationship will never be "real" in gem terms.
Chemically speaking, she is correct. Human flesh can't merge with solid carbon
Except corruption is not an STD at all, nor is it caused by sexual activity in the first place.
If you fuse with a corrupted gem, you'll get infected and become corrupted yourself. You can literally pass STDs through fusion.
Its a kids show. The creators are not going to explicitly say that fusion is about as close to sex a gem can get. They expect you to read between the lines, like Peal date raping Garnet. But the people involved with the show forget that it IS a kids show, and kept putting in as many sexual metaphors as they could, which is why double dicked Steg comes off as creepy. Because they were pandering to the adults who wanted more sexual and queer shit added to the show.
>But the people involved with the show forget that it IS a kids show,
oh no. No he knew exactly what they were doing.
That's a real quote out of Rebecca Sugar. It's intentional and specifically targeting children.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt. They are groomers using cute cartoons to push degenerate shit.
If even one child genuinely gets their idea of sex from fusion in Steven Universe, they are a more lucky child than me.
Here's the schizo again with their incest headcanon.
All the non violence slop makes me think of metal gear rising "I think we both agree, violence breeds violence, but in the end it has to be this way"
Aka, I know the cycle of revenge and shit but there is no way to settle this besides a fight.
>fusion is a metaphor for sex
Obligatory "no it's not."
2pbp
If fusions imply relationships, does this mean Steg is an incest fusion?
Relationships don't have to be romantic or sexual. He represented the familial relationship between father and son specifically Greg and Steven.
Why a balding middle aged man bonding with his chubby son make that?
Steven really looks up to his dad, and Greg is really proud of his son. This results in Steg being the embodiment of self-confidence. The uplifting nature of both is also likely why his power is literally lifting other people up.
i want to see more toxic fusions
I think Fusions in general were underutilized.
Because masculinity is at the core of the relationship between Steven and Greg, so the personification of their relationship is gonna be masculine as hell.
Less "Masculinity" and more "Rock And Roll Masculinity," but yes, that was at the core of their relationship. Poison is shit, but Bret Michaels is the sort of rocker that Greg probably pictured himself looking like. Throw in Steven seeing the best in his dad, and Greg seeing the best in his son... boom, gigarocker.
I think it's clear from Greg's appearance that he's based on either Ozzy Osbourne or Bruce Springsteen
Anon, Steg is really fricking sexual.
There's even a double dick joke in there.
Cause nobody wants to see a balding israelite growth a guy playing guitar
A lot of the show was weird, that was cool at the beginning, but then it began to be weird in the not so cool way.
Opal, however, remands the best thing to come out of this franchise.
Season 1 was the only kino and comfy season of the show. What went wrong after that?
I feel like I'm one of the few fans who prefer seasons 2 and 3 to season 1.
Steven stopped being a loveable goofball, and turned into a friendship crusader hellbent on making peace with space colonizers.
Started taking itself too seriously
>in retrospect.
That's because the creators are creepy (partially israeli) sex pests, this has been known for almost a decade
yfw rebecca sugar has an ass
It doesn't matter she's getting blacked.
Just imagine how ugly her and Ian's child will be.
Either it will be a decent looking blew like Drake or will be fricked up like Maya Rudolph
I've predicted it will look like Gaten Matarazzo
>has an ass
You got any proof?
Why say that with a pic of no ass in it?
Where??
The Movie was such a perfect ending for Steven Universe.
I remain absolutely dumbfounded that they followed it up with a season that fricked up almost everything nifty that was still left, all for the sake of going "Steven's traumatized actually. And that's okay! You guys needed a show saying it's okay to be traumatized right? Way more than you needed a show with a happy ending, right?"
For as shitty as future's ending was, i can forgive it for the entrance of chadven and the shattering of jasper. That was a highlight of the entire series for me.
>"Steven's traumatized actually. And that's okay! You guys needed a show saying it's okay to be traumatized right?
If anyone was a big fan of the show while they were underaged, they're GONNA be traumatized.
And Garnet being "fusion positive" and literally telling the teenagers to "go enjoy it".
And Pink's ship with the entrance right at the crotch.
The general height-fetish.
The "Human-zoo" with those loincloths and scheduled "Roll in the hay" time.
The mommy issues is actually rather tame material when it placed next to teaching teenagers to have sex as much as possible.
>inretrospect
It was akways creepy. You're just realisibg this? Fusion was an obvious metaphor for sexual relations and you have a fatger doing it with his son who's partially a reincarnation of his wife.
nothin' wrong with that.
In retrospect? Surely you didn't think this was normal at the time, OP. Surely.
Hmmmm should I attempt to watch this show?
You'll end up loving it or hating it. There really is no in between.
two dicks