>Stilgar is nothing but comic relief and a mindless zealot
Are we sure Villeneuve even read the book? Book Stilgar was much more refined and sensible. All his lines were >LISAN AL GAIB IT IS WRITTEN!!!!
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>Stilgar is nothing but comic relief and a mindless zealot
he got Gimli'd
So did eowym get gimlied too
Villenueve is a cuck (as expected of Canadians)
He wanted the reddit audience
Strong male leaders can't exist. They're either evil or comic reliefs (or both)
>Strong male leaders can't exist. They're either evil or comic reliefs (or both)
The irony of this post actually gave me a stroke
holy shit dude. too bad the stroke didn't kill you.
You would be of the opinion that twink is a symbol of strength.
jews can't be heroes
incels will die screaming
>posts a 120lb israelite as a strong male lead
>male
>strong
What, do you think you need to be a 6'3 chad to be a hero? You frivolous bastard. Paul was a perfectly balanced male character
Jews aren't even human let alone male. Just demonic filth, all of them.
>Paul Atreides
>not evil
Read the books, Black person.
all the leaders in Dune are weak or evil, regardless of gender
Was Whedon a script doctor on it?
Did you somehow miss the second half of the book where Stilgar turns into a funny mindless zealot? Paul spends an entire chapter mourning the loss of his friend to the Jihad
I'm sorry, did you somehow miss all those sections of the book of Stilgar just talking with Paul, and Jessica too? Did you miss the parts where you figure out he has a mind for politics, he isn't just an uncultured brute guided by legends? All his well-spokenness? He's the single Fremen character, besides Kynes, that is supposed to show you Fremen aren't all drones. Too bad that was lost on the director and the writers who just wanted a few laughs.
this
>Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it.
>I have seen a friend become a worshiper, he thought.
>In a rush of loneliness, Paul glanced around the room, noting how proper and on-review his guards had become in his presence. He sensed the subtle, prideful competition among them––each hoping for notice from Muad’Dib.
>Muad’Dib from whom all blessings flow, he thought, and it was the bitterest thought of his life. They sense that I must take the throne, he thought. But they cannot know I do it to prevent the jihad.
Yes but this is Near the end of Dune. Stilger talked normally with Paul, his dialogue wasn't just LISAN AL GAIB
oh well I haven't seen the movie yet hahaha ahahaha hahaha not yet!! hahahaha I'll see it later!! hahaha
haha
Damn. This is not a good look for OP.
by cherry picking the same way Dennis did? kek.
>The filmmaker didn't adapt EVERYTHING from the book?!
>Hollywood WHAT THE FLIP?!?!?!
I don't think your epic pwn was as good as you thought it would be.
Ditto my friend.
Yes this happens at the literal end of the book, moron. Like pages away from the Arrakeen assault. Stilgar in the movie was a zealot from the first minute. There wasn't a single scene showing Paul and Stilgsr to be friends, there was nothing there.
homie Paul and Stilgar had rehearsed the whole "you have to kill the naib in order to lead the Fremen" drama that they do in front of the Fedaykin, he wasn't just some mindless zealot
This. One of my favorite parts was when he and Stilgar were discussing it like two people trying to solve a problem they both recognized as a problem.
wait, you're saying Stilgar became more thoughtful and aware of the larger political and social dynamics at play on Arrakis? either Herbert dropped the ball or Venueveua did.
He was always aware of that shit, how else would he lead an entire troop?
why do the characters have those stupid things in their noses. it's dumb as shit and i hate seeing it for the past week and probably well into next week.
tough weeks for zoomers ahead!
Rad week incoming
because it's a dull film and it needed quips to hide that
it practically had no quips because dv doesnt do levity
>no we don't want our entire planet blowed up!!!!
>it's LITERALLY a figure of speech... like.... okayyyyy????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
all of villeneuve's dune characters are one note
Any time bad actors are involved in a film the director has to make the tone ridiculous or monotone to hide how shit they are.
>no Jamis funeral
What the frick? One of the best parts.
It was there. Really long scene, they dehydrated his corpse.
Hardly a funeral, more just you know, draining a body of all it's precious bodily fluids.
Villenvoo says dialogs aren't a priority so that's all the funeral we can hope to get. I also fell asleep after the interval because the dialog got really minimized between the end of the Feyd introduction sequence and the duel between him and Paul. Fricking shit
>precious bodily fluids
That is a Fremen funeral
The stuff that's omitted is secondary cruft that just doesn't have a place in the movie, like whole Harah thing.
The most important part of the funeral in the book was that Paul cried during it and the Fremen thinking it was the most beautiful thing ever, further gaining their trust. But no Jamis just gets his body sucked dry of water while Paul gets teased by the millennial Fremen girls.
I thought he was great. Between the two movies I enjoyed his transition from mentor to maniac religious nut.
There was no transition. It happened offscreen between two movies, despite the second one taking off right where the first ended.
Denny Vindaloo claims to have been a fan of the book his whole life. If that's the case, how the frick did we end up with such a dull, lifeless, gutted piece of shit adaptation?
It was needed to make a contrast to Zendaya's epic rational thinking independent girlboss character, that has nothing in common with the book's Chani. Once you realize this, you'll understand how much of a cuck Villeneuve is
Exactly this. All of the ruined characters (Stilgar, Jessica, probably more) stem from the writers' desire to make Chani into some girlboss. The sad and frustrating part is that her character, as rewritten for the movie, is awful and her actions make no sense. Take for instance the part where she begs Paul to go south. He does, and drinks the water of life, and she freaks out and is mad the rest of the movie. I don't think any of her actions make any sense. The other movie original character, Irulan, is ironically much better written and perhaps the best part of the movie (along with Lady Margot Fenring's parts). This film was a major disappointment, from someone who LOVED, ADORED part 1 as well as the book
>Take for instance the part where she begs Paul to go south. He does, and drinks the water of life, and she freaks out and is mad the rest of the movie.
Bro she didn't know he'd drink the worm juice when she told him he needed to go south. She became mad at Paul because he nearly died and she gets even more mad at Jessica for being the one behind it. Then she gets even more mad because Paul turns into a jackass who uses the Fremen for his own personal goals. THEN she gets even more mad when she relegates her to side b***h status at the end.
She's just a nasty character with no empathy then, frowning and grimacing at everything that happens, even if she directly caused it. Very uninspiring, disappointing character
The script turned Chani into a modern gestalt of female expectations, and not the fremen woman she is in the books. It's forced drama, and unnecessary.
>She was toxic & selfish, putting herself before the needs of her people, which Paul was not doing when he prompted wifing up the Emperors daughter.
Chani is a selfish & self centered hypocrite who doesn't accept Paul for who he is and yet calls him out for it constantly.
a movie is not a book
what is good in a book might not be good in a movie
You're right, someone with some craft and actual love for the novel should have done another miniseries.
Some excellent moments from the book could be easily imagined being brought the the big screen. But for the greatest visionary of our time it was an impossible task
what happened to his nose
>Comic relief
I see people saying this all over twitter, but I really didn't see it that way. If anything both Duncs were completely devoid of humor.
>I'm not the Lisan al Gaib...
*2 seconds later cut to Stil*
>The Mahdi is too humble, only more proof he is the legend!
Legitimately funny, but that's not the issue.
Literal fricking Life of Brian shit.
>How shall we frick off, O Mahdi?
I think that's an unintentionally funny scene. The other Fremen agreed that that was actually part of the prophecy, so it wasn't supposed to be a joke. Btw it's basically the same thing Leto told Paul before leaving for Harrakis. People in the movie industry seem to love the "a good ruler does not desire to be a ruler" bs cliché
i actually went and watched the movie with some friends at the cinema and the amount of people laughing so many lines, even some inane shit that was not even meant to be funny , like they were watching some marvel movie, was actually pretty surprising.
Will the third movie keep the part in the books about Paul having kids with Chani, and Irulan begging him to frick her so she can also have kids, him refusing, and telling her to cuckold him but make sure not get pregnant or else he'll execute her?
Oh, I forgot to mention: Mua'dib said me taking it up the butt was okay.
imagine refusing to sex that but going for zendaya
I would push Zendaya Coleman out of the way to get to Florence Pugh every day of the week.
That outfit really emphasizes Zendaya's penis.
>Paul's mom was skilled enough to influence the sex of her child
>the Kwisatz Haderach can't shoot jizz that has no sperm cells in it
immersion ruined
he's too powerful to shoot blanks. it would be like godzilla writing in a regular sized notebook with a regular sized pencil
Glad I didn't continue past the first book.
>francophone creator is islamophobic and racist
Many such cases!
Stilgar explicitly becomes a joke by the second book, Paul remarks on it. By clinging to old ways in the face of the new he's made himself anachronistic and cheapened his beliefs. He's like the prototype Museum Fremen.
Wrong.
He doesn't become a jester. He doesn't even really lose the old Fremen ways. Paul calls him old man because he doesn't fit with the new Fremen culture and softness.
DV massacred my boy.
bookgays should stay with their books and leave kino alone
Dune have never been made into a good movie because bookgays have never had control so no
Bookgays couldn't pull off making an episode of The Office, they have no idea how movie shit works
Bookgays will never understand is supposed to act like a Californian liberal.
Chani***
what a coincidence that Denis doesn't know how the book works.
Good thing he wasn't writing a book
He would have done less damage.
Did they not try this with the very first movie. It was full of "inner dialogue" moments & it simply did not work well in a movie.
Malick could have done it.
No they didnt that movie was also a pathetic attempt at a dune movie and was more like a parody
film inherently can't do dialogue well which makes it the brainlet/woman medium
Dialogue is for women thougheverbeit
>film cant do dialogue well
what?
>Vindaloo's shit
>kino
This is why movie-only gays are a laughing stock.
MCU type of humor
list good movies made by novelists, GO!
I laughed when Paul said he wasn't the Mahdi, then it cut to Stilgar saying the Mahdi was too humble to say he is the Mahdi.
Leto said the same exact thing.
"You'll be a king"
"But I le no want to be a king"
"Neither did I, that's why we're so good at being kings"
Dunno why people think Stilgar saying the same thing was so funny. Was it the accent?
Because it was supposed to be funny moment, if you dont understand that you're legitimately a moron plain and simple.
It was at best unintentionally funny (I suspect because of the accent), but in the scope of the story it wasn't meant as a joke. Him being humble was literally part of the prophecy, which is why every other Souther Fremen actually took Stilgar seriously.
The prophecy is bullshit, brainlet.
>the fundamentalist Southern Fremen
Not a thing.
>The prophecy is bullshit, brainlet.
It is and it isn't. It's fake, but Paul at that point in the movie doesn't know about any of its details, yet he always manages to unkowingly fulfill all the prerequisites of the prophecy. This is enough to concince the Fremen of his messianic status, and serves as a definitive guarantee for Jessica that he's in fact the Kwisatz Haderach.
>Not a thing.
So, you haven't seen the movie but you still waste your time discussing it on Cinemaphile? Good for you.
>unknowingly
Stopped reading right there.
Dude we get it, you haven't seen the movie. That's fine.
I've seen the movie, you clearly haven't read the book. Maybe a coloring book.
I've read the book, which is why I know the differences between the two. You've probably have not seen the movie, which is why you didn't know about Southern Fremen, or Paul not knowing any of the minor details of the prophecy before drinking the Water of Life. Just give up anon
Yes, it's not a thing at all it's Dennis fanfiction.
Which is why when discussing the movie it makes no sense to reference the lore of the books. Dunno if you're actually moronic or if you're just trolling.
Well you came into a thread discussing the raping of the source material, so I don't know what else to say.
Ok, I now understand that you're not pretending. Sad!
I mean to be honest, it's a pretty funny accent.
the narration and inner thoughts etc. were the cringiest parts of the book anyway
Yeah was cringe fr fr
*sticks hand into sandworm popcorn vessel*
Alright so with that ending what did the normies think? Do they think Paul coldly dumped Chani to get with a princess?
In the book he just has an official wife and a fremen wife. That said movie Chani is a completely different character, and I doubt she would be fine with being a cuckquean. I bet in the end she will kill him.
What they did with Chani was fricking disgusting. It's as if Zendaya has a hiring policy where she must play an unlikeable scowling c**t in everything they cast her in. I hope Denis shits himself into a coma.
NO ONE FRICKING CARES ABOUT YOUR GAY AS BOOKS. READING IS FOR homosexualS. GO BACK TO Cinemaphile AND CRY ABOUT IT homosexual.
Cry more, illiterate moron.
I read real books in university. Literature is for unironic gays and women. They are bastard forms of real books.
>real books
Yes, real books that impart knowledge and advance us as a species. Your gay overly long novels are just the authors wanking themselves off into your face and you love it (because you are gay).
The microwave you used this morning, the computer you are using right now, the pill you take whenever you have a bad headache... real books led to them, not your gay novels for homosexuals.
Bio 101 isn't high school level biology. And even if you had a particularly good high school course in biology, you'd still have to take bio 101 anyway once you entered uni. You'd know this if you ever went.
>Bio 101 course book
you were meant to learn this in high school, that was a remedial course anon.
Thanks for the (You)
it's memetic warfare they will try to force the meme formats for example
>something happens, not even related to dune, next pic javer bardem lower text=exactly like in scriptures
even though there are no scriptures mentioned, in the whole movie
>strong white male
>gets turned into comic relief
It is what it is.
>Stilgar
>white male
Bookgays are like the communists of the media world, always loudly proclaiming "this isn't the REAL story" and that something perfectly fitting their vision is possible
Girlbosses vindicated
inagine that nose tube is in actuality connected directly to the space betwixt zendaya booty cheeks
In the words of Villeneuve himself:
>This is a Bene Gesserit production.
So the answer to if he has read the book about how full of shit and 100% lies the Bene Gesserit are... Seems like a no.