It was great.
I still love the bashing the screnes scene where he's shown what he once was...
My personal favorite is pic relate; I watch it at least once every year. It has an abundance of soul.
>Defeated by chicken soup >Not cracking at least some kind of snide joke afterwards at the irony
It was such an absurd way to lose, you can't not poke fun at it a little bit in the moment. Everyone ignoring it would have been even more awkward. I think it even added to how sad Victor's situation was, that he wanted vengeance, only to get wiped out by some hot Campbell's Noodle Soup. If Batman just said "chicken soup" and answered the question straight, it would have sounded off
And yet they ruined his story in that harley quinn show by making his wife a bawd who cheated on him as soon as he died . It's almost as if these modern writers feel compelled to destroy everything good just for the sake of being evil.
This is like complainin that Lower Decks ruined the legacy of Kirk and Spock. Its a non canon spin off show. You should be more worried about actual canon DC comics that are even more shit
>And yet they ruined his story in that harley quinn show
who gives a shit. there's plenty of terrible batman media. i don't let that "ruin" the stuff i actually enjoy.
I just got into the HQ show recently and I thought they handled it well. She was clearly still grieving and Harley was the one trying to get her back into living her life.
>that episode where villains were boasting how they almost defeated batman
btas was great, modern cartoons simply cannot compete
every single thing in it was perfect
I love this episode. Harvey delivers the greatest shutdown to Ivy. >Half of me wants to strangle ya >And what does the other half want? >To hit you with a truck!
>The two face two parter was better and it sucks his storyline in the show just kind of ends.
This was the last episode of the show. It's fantastic symbolism for the fate of Bruce Wayne, he couldn't even help his old friend, and instead of getting better they both become worse and more obsessed, but Batman reaffirms his commitment even against the ever more impossible task before them. I thought it was great. Fricking imagine ending your show on the words >Guilty, guilty, guilty
wish we had an actual non-moronic movie set in the faux 1920s art deco batman world. burton's flicks were great visually but everything about them was stupid as hell
the arkham games do a decent job at capturing the show's style but they're still games
beware the gray ghost. for some reason i really like episodes of old washed up heroes past their prime. i really liked the old nite owl plot in watchmen and that angel episode about the luchador too.
Frick you. You knew I was gonna read this thread and you still posted the one episode from Scooby-Doo that still can give me the willies. Be ashamed.
That aside, this was the GOAT episode. People who think it was Spooky Space Kook are braindamaged. Night of Fright was real horror.
My sister still doesn't like grandfather clocks and she definitely doesn't look at ANY clock when midnight strikes. She doesn't close her eyes in the shower either because of that scene where the tiles slide open and Scooby falls into the basement. For me it was the scene in the wine cellar where the ghost comes running right at the screen; that's the only gimmick I turn away from in horror movies now. That episode fricked us both up pretty hard.
It's a master class of horror unlike any of the other episodes though, from the actual jump scares to the psychological terror of being asleep and totally vulnerable when you're attacked, and all the cousins just vanishing. The sound design of the laughs, the fricking way they move with their creepy chins shaking, all of it. Good God, how did they pull it off?
I had no problem with any of the villains except this motherfricker. Used to have nightmares of him hiding around the corners, and I'd see that fricking mask peeking at me.
There ain't no fricking way batman beyond came out when I was only 13... >the matrix came out 24 years ago >Harry Potter and the lord of the rings came out 22 years ago
AHHHHHHH WHAT THE FRICK
Probably a bad time mention I had just turned 3 (turning 4, I have late birthday, December) (and it did come out in January of 99), but hey I'm pushing 30 now.
to be fair it kind of stood out even back then as being overly violent/dark, it's just that nobody knew or cared enough back then
there was a whole group of these shows from the same universe: batman beyond, zeta, and a few others i forgot, but beyond was the best and also the darkest
while we're nostalgiaing over 90s/2000s cartoons, does anyone remember the name of that one where the dude uses his headset thing to like fuse with/control a giant monkey and fight crime? i've been trying to remember its name for roughly 15 years
That is the truly haunting one for me. That guy endured buried alive as a radioactive skelly for like 20 years alone all for revenge and in the end gave it all up for his daughters future.
The 90s was a lot grittier and had a ton of flesh melting acid & grotesque transformations in popular media. Akira also comes to mind.
I wonder if any was inspired by the aftereffects of Agent Orange.
but then we wouldn't have head in a jar freeze in Batman Beyond
As iconic as that is, the show could've done without it.
Disagree I think the entire collective Mr Freeze arc of the DCAU was a masterpiece.
Heart of Ice = Great
Deep Freeze = Very Good
SubZero = Good (freeze isn't as menacing or competent as he is elsewhere, but the very end is great)
Cold Comfort = Good to Very Good (I understand why him going full villain is off putting to people but I think him falling into nihilism after loosing his wife and body forever seemed to flow naturally enough, the only place I think it went too far was him going after Bruce despite what he did to save Nora)
Meltdown = Great (tied with heart of ice as the 2 best freeze episodes of the dcau, god tier ending)
It always amuses me how The Grey Ghost episode was a touching commentary on how we grow up and leave our childish obsessions behind us as we grow into our noble adulthood but the same kids who watched BTAS grew up to be cringey manchildren that still consume capeshit even into middle age and have never left their childhood.
Right because there's no difference being paid 6 figures minimum to create capeshit and being an adult capeshit consoomer solid point there chuck you got me
>the Grey Ghost was about leaving our manchildish obsessions behind as we grow into our noble adulthood
Is that why the showrunners brought in Adam West to play himself?
Because it was a lesson in how cringe-inducing it is to see hero worship for a failed actor who could never move past his 15 minutes of fame because no-one else could see him as anything else?
Sincerely, no-one replying to you seems to get this. The showrunners could have brought him in to be an interesting character where if you recognised the voice you'd say "Wow it's that guy!" but instead it was just another testament to the guy who played Batman.
My favorite Bruce moment was in that episode where Screech plants a microchip on him to make him hear voices in his head, to make him think that he's going crazy. Terry asks him how he knew he wasn't really going crazy, and he says >The voice kept calling me "Bruce". That's not what I call myself in my head.
so fricking kino
My favourite was in TAS when Hatter, I think it was, got Bruce Wayne to live in a dream. But he knew it was a dream because he couldn't read a book. You can't read when you dream.
There must be a lot of zoomers on this thread. I saw this when it aired on Fox Kids. I never saw a cartoon that brought out the feels like this episode and Clayface. Shirley Walker’s Elfman type music is a big factor
99% of Lupin is garbage so it's easy
Just watch the episodes Miyazaki directed while he was still doing tv work
Wings of Death: Albatross
Farewell, beloved Lupin
then watch the Castle of Cagliostro movie
follow up on the rest if you're interested, but there's very little else of worth
Watch the first series, it's short, the music is great, and it's darker than most iterations of Lupin. Animation is mostly great too, it helps to remind yourself that The first series of Lupin came out the same year the firt season Scooby-Doo came out. Watch random episodes from series 2, (red jacket) the Miyazaki Eps are great, but there's a lot of fun episodes throughout. 3rd series (pink jacket) is weird and very cartoony, definitely watch the ep directed by Seijun Suzuki(!), it's kind of like that Garfield special where he dies. Obviously watch Castle of Cagliostro, Napoleon's Dictionary, and Malmo's Gold. I haven't seen that many of the movies, so I can't help you much with recommendations, I liked the most recent movies too.
the greatest animated episode ever made is objectively Albatross: Wings of Death
but as a shitty casual you wouldn't know this
great animated episode but it felt a little different from a standard Lupin episode, had watched most of the Lupin movies and over a hundred episodes from various seasons of Lupin, and Fujiko displayed multiple times more physical prowess in that episode then she'd ever shown before
I can imagine some people might go straight to the Miyazaki content if they've never seen any Lupin, but those episodes are kind of atypical with the subject matter and more just marvels of oldschool animation
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great animated episode but it felt a little different from a standard Lupin episode, had watched most of the Lupin movies and over a hundred episodes from various seasons of Lupin, and Fujiko displayed multiple times more physical prowess in that episode then she'd ever shown before
I can imagine some people might go straight to the Miyazaki content if they've never seen any Lupin, but those episodes are kind of atypical with the subject matter and more just marvels of oldschool animation
Oh I agree, I am more for a Spider-man guy and while I loved the decision to make Peter a chad, I wish the show was a little stronger on the writing and animation front. It's good, it's just not DCAU good.
I find it funny. Brynes MOS is shit on constantly on this board. Yet STAS is loved. It’s literally Brynes MOS! Clark is only survivor of Kryton. His power level isn’t ridiculous. Like Brynes he has to struggle to lift super heavy shit. An atomic bomb kill him. Supergirl not Kryptonian but from another planet
Byrne's run was criticized (at the time) because it did away with the whimsical nature of the comics (most notably the Binder issues) and needlessly complicated certain things like the Supe family and Brainiac. People often say that his version of Luther is the best and I'd be inclined to agree but a great deal of credit should be given to Wolfman for his contributions as well. You're completely right that people are a little unjust when criticizing Bryne's run but there was definitely a lot of iffy moments in it as well and the show was able to smooth out a lot of those oddities and sometimes that's all thats needed. The original mini is still kino though.
Family complication came because Silver Age was so lazy that kept bringing Kryptonian survivors. Got so ridiculous joke was only people died on Krypton was Clark’s parents. Brynes went back Golden Age where Clark was Last Son on Krypton.
While you're not wrong, the whole pocket dimension shtick didn't sit too well with me, making Superboy an antagonist was too much for me. Chalk it up bias but I just couldn't invest it. Plus executing the Phantom Zone criminals, making Superman a murderer and not dealing with the repercussions of that action left a bad taste in my mouth. I think another reason for why the animated series took off was because it was riding off of the success of BTAS and so the audience wasn't as reticent as you'd expect them to be whereas Byrne's run was largely a singular event. I know it doesn't sound very fair, but it is what it is.
Either way there was definitely some charm to having Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen go about their own adventures. You're right though, some of the creative choices taken were genuinely baffling, reading old issues is fun but you know most of it meant to be a one-off.
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Appreciate the discussion anon. Few on here can discuss Brynes run without stupid single comments means never read it. Being older Gen Xer. Zoomers won’t ever understand is what a joke DC was at end of Silver Age. Bronze Age tried to patch it but damage was done. Shit people b***h about Brynes about is the stuff people wanted. Why had original Crisis. No Kryptonian survivors! No more Superman being ridiculously over powered. No more cheesy Lex Luthor being some buffoon villain.
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>Appreciate the discussion anon
Same, I was very entertained. Pleasantly surprised to know that there are still anons here who know are familiar with the source material and interested in having a through discussion >Being older Gen Xer. Zoomers won’t ever understand is what a joke DC was at end of Silver Age
It's unfortunate but over the years I've come to accept it. At least we'll have some anons who are interested in bypassing the usual cliches in order to make a more informed observation. >Shit people b***h about Brynes about is the stuff people wanted
I agree. It's fine to have individualistic concerns such as thinking the dialogue was a little stilted or some arcs could've been better but people have to consider the whole as well. In order to strengthen narrative consistency Byrne had to retire many of the tropes that people identified with Superman in order to create a more streamlined narrative. It's fine have reservations with the method employed but the experiment itself was largely a success.
Perhaps an alternative reason could be Byrne himself. His behavior hasn't done him any favors and fans and casuals alike might be put off by some of his later additions to comic books in general. These sorts of things usually have a negative impact on the overall work of an artist. Case in point Miyazaki whom I adore, but rarely have I seen a astute comment about his work from the threads anons have over at Cinemaphile.
Keep well anon.
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> Perhaps an alternative reason could be Byrne himself. His behavior hasn't done him any favors and fans and casuals alike might be put off by some of his later additions to comic books in general.
Good point. My personal opinion, Beynes was put off how Miller and Moore were critically and fan loved but he wasn’t. Fact is this, you can do anything with Batman that isn’t Silver Age campy and be well received. Superman is more difficult. So many split opinions on who Superman should be. Beynes was going against people grew up on or loved Donn Chris Reeve Superman
only someone who hasn't watched 90s spiderman since he was a child could say this
it has terrible ultrafast pacing for adhd sufferers, it's practically unwatchable as an adult. same for the other marvel series too, like xmen and iron man.
I’m banned from posting images on this board for some reason—someone post a still from S18 E11 of the Simpsons “Revenge Is a Dish Best Served Three Times” with some pithy comment.
I had no idea who Martian Manhunter was before JL, but apparently he's one of the most broken characters in the setting so he rarely shows up in anything
The fire weakness was psychosomatically imposed on him because Martians weren't a peaceful race initially.
When he remembered who he was it became an issue for the Justice League, but in the end he defeated his "evil" self.
The Justice League is one reason I've always liked DC a bit better than Marvel.
Marvel has some ok characters, but as an autist, I like the hard structure of a singular organization that the heroes all join. Like a police force made up of heroes.
There's S.H.E.I.L.D in Marvel, but it ain't got the same vibe as the League.
Fine. But DCAU stuff is for adults. It has much much darker, more nihilistic tone and touches on concepts like fascism, racism, and free speech. Its not really made for kids.
That got me thinking later in life, there's virtually no episode where the moral lesson is offensive. It was good pedagogy for kids to learn about ethics and nobility. Even the "Better World" episode treated the villains' viewpoint with respect.
One of the best scenes in DCAU btw:
That's the mistaken impression people get because they weren't alive from the late 1850s to the 1950s which saw the rise of speculative fiction following the romantic movement.
These kinds of stories used to be for adults, just like folk tales, just like the classical music on the baby einstein cds.
A lot of these are essentially fairly deep philosophical exercises reduced to their bare elements, like Twilight Zone amd Star Trek TNG. At least B:TAS was, can't speak for the modern series.
The people who wrote them were heavily influenced by radio drama and turn of the century speculative fiction like the works of Jules Verne, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the pulps like Weird Tales and Amazing Stories, and likely more modern authors like J.B. Priestley who continued the tradition.
It's for all ages.
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it's a toy commercial for kids that was lucky to have good writers.
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I mean the writing is pretty much the core of any show.
The 'superhero' element is just superficial window dressing for B:TAS.
The crucial element is how they find ways to weave the various villain of the week backstories into something more substantial.
It's also why modern capeshit, and modern Batman movies, which SHOULD according to you be the same as B:TAS, feels so wildly different.
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>which SHOULD according to you
Black person what
now you're making shit up schizo
Kinda makes sense. If a person wanted to reduce storytelling to the concept of moral lessons, it makes sense that they would be useful for adults just as much as for kids.
Hillarious satire. yes, there are 'adult themes' insofar as they deal with a bunch of adults but they never explore complex adult themes in any serious way.
>the episode where they introduce capitalism through stamps and TJ becomes the king and then they all impoverish him by no longer caring about the stamps
>Fine. But DCAU stuff is for adults. It has much much darker, more nihilistic tone and touches on concepts like fascism, racism, and free speech. Its not really made for kids.
The final flashback was so well done that even when I knew what would happen, I was still at the edge of my seat. BTAS understood the redemptive element of the character really well.
For me, it's >perchance to dream >it's never too late >feat of clay >his silicon soul >robin's reckoning >two face >almost got 'em
And of course Heart of Ice
the writers were more well-rounded and took from the Classics.
shows like Gargoyles pretty much were retellings/revisitings of Shakespeare to fresh youngsters.
Now rather than describe the human condition through media, writers see cartoons as a metapolitical turf to push their transient/fleeting emotional ideas rather than depict what is timeless about us.
BTAS, STAS and BB are the pinnacle of Western animation, style and Western ethos (a little bit of ancient Greek philosophy and Christian morals).
They're perfect. If I'm ever an uncle I'm making sure my nieces and nephews watch them when they're 9-12, you don't have many stories nowadays that show how to grow and learning to accept consequences, instead of the shallow preaching and never walking the talk modern media does.
Did a fantastic job. The Secret Wars ending and Madame Web multiverse. The ending was Parker searching for Mary Jane. Crazy how 90s kids shows have more coherent stories, plots and emotional arcs then these modern films.
Did a fantastic job. The Secret Wars ending and Madame Web multiverse. The ending was Parker searching for Mary Jane. Crazy how 90s kids shows have more coherent stories, plots and emotional arcs then these modern films.
This was the only time period where it made sense having 2d waifus. The girls weren't just hot, they had depth and character development.
So what are the definitive 90s cartoon kinos? I have: >BTAS >Batman Beyond >Spiderman Animated series >Superman Animated series
Would you recommend anything else?
Static Shock is an honorable mention. It's a great example of when a show could be "woke" but no one minded because there were decent stories being told and it wasn't exclusively about hating white men.
This mogs everything else in how fricked up it was >Robin captured >tortured >drugged >electrocuted >brainwashed >permanently damaged
I mean, yeah other characters had bad shit happen, like being buried alive, but this was ROBIN, one of the main characters.
It's extra fricked up because Tim's torture was pretty conventional. Other characters suffered mutations or had sci-fi tech malfunctioning, stuff that is fantastic enough that the viewer can distance himself. Tim, a child, was driven insane through beatings, drugs and electric shocks for weeks, the kind of torture that someone could be going through right now. The violence hits much closer.
Even the censored version is still one of the darkest moments in these shows.
>tfw no Batman thread every praises your favorite episode >instead everyone always jerks off the usual suspects
Tell me this doesn't deserve a spot in the top 10.
Music is always ignored. Shirley Walker continued the Danny Elfman inspired score that made these episodes more feels. Elfman is considered a joke now. But let’s see. Batman score. The Flash score. Raimi Spider Man score
I actually started rewatching (and completing) this series recently since it's on Netflix.
& funny coincidence, and slightly Cinemaphile related, this show's version was my first exposure to the Big Guy, I remember having a toy of him, it was pretty weighty, one of the many toys I wish I still had.
One of my favorite things about BTAS was just how compassionate Bruce was. TNBA onwards made him much more of a jerk, though still with his moments (like the Ace scene).
The original BTAS was the best by far. It's not even close, from quality of animation to character models and story arcs. Tbh it's the best thing DC has ever funded aside from Watchmen. Ever. Zoomer might not relize it, but it's up there with Batman: Year One as one of the medium that defined the character. TNBA doesn't hold a candle in terms of quality and impact.
I mean the comic book, not the movie. I also enjoy the movie, but they should have cut the alley scene where Daniel and Laurie kick ass. It feels compeltely out of place in the story and they are supposed to be normal human beings.
To be fair I'm not a comic guy, but I did read that. Borrowed it from a library even. It's alright, but then, out of all the stuff from the time and the 90s? See I dunno. As for the movie, it's not great, but it's not terrible. 300 definitely worked better in that format.
Batman defeating him with chicken soup and making a joke afterwards ruins it.
Feat of Clay was a better episode.
Batman defeating clayface with the images of his past self is up their with batman throwing the bucket of quarters to defeat Two Face
It was great.
I still love the bashing the screnes scene where he's shown what he once was...
My personal favorite is pic relate; I watch it at least once every year. It has an abundance of soul.
Too bad part 1 was contracted to one of the cheaper animation companies, part 2 is beautiful
>Defeated by chicken soup
>Not cracking at least some kind of snide joke afterwards at the irony
It was such an absurd way to lose, you can't not poke fun at it a little bit in the moment. Everyone ignoring it would have been even more awkward. I think it even added to how sad Victor's situation was, that he wanted vengeance, only to get wiped out by some hot Campbell's Noodle Soup. If Batman just said "chicken soup" and answered the question straight, it would have sounded off
The MCU has rotted your brain. Batman isn't a quipster.
MCU? Anon, chicken soup quips was in the 90s, also, no Batquips ever? What about:
>"Clean up your act, Joker."
Even Joker had to call him on that one
Batman was dropping quips left and right in the comics and ‘66 show.
I disagree. It's ok but not anything special, even within BTAS
And yet they ruined his story in that harley quinn show by making his wife a bawd who cheated on him as soon as he died . It's almost as if these modern writers feel compelled to destroy everything good just for the sake of being evil.
well harley quinn is gone. doneski. buried. she's a sexy halloween costume now.
>SEXOOOO
Almost like it's a comedy to ridicule all the characters.
Who's laughing
>comedy
Where?
God forgot about that
This is like complainin that Lower Decks ruined the legacy of Kirk and Spock. Its a non canon spin off show. You should be more worried about actual canon DC comics that are even more shit
lol please tell me this is real
Nta, but it is.
>that quote
Then why do Black folk keep trying to solve these issues with brute force violence anyway?
holy fricking cringe Batman!
Lower Decks is fine. It is at or near the top of Modern Trek.
Once the spouse is dead it's not cheating. And Freeze was a SJW in that universe.
Can't cheat on a dead man.
>And yet they ruined his story in that harley quinn show
who gives a shit. there's plenty of terrible batman media. i don't let that "ruin" the stuff i actually enjoy.
My wife loves me even though I'm ugly and have questionable political views.
4U
Damaged girl. They handled her well in Arrow as well
I mean she did end up with a guy who's basically an /x///misc/ schizo
I just got into the HQ show recently and I thought they handled it well. She was clearly still grieving and Harley was the one trying to get her back into living her life.
are you implying capeshit has continuity?
Is there a Cinemaphilennoisseur here who have the webm of Nora going topless?
There were far better episodes in the series.
>that episode where villains were boasting how they almost defeated batman
btas was great, modern cartoons simply cannot compete
every single thing in it was perfect
>it was a big rock!
>The episode where the random jabroni who isn't even a criminal accidentally defeats batman and it instantly ruins his life
KINOOOOOOOOO
SID THE SQUID
My favorite episode.
Even the title splash has more soul than 99% of animation coming out today.
Also kinda surprised that there are more title cards than just the one in the show, too.
I love this episode. Harvey delivers the greatest shutdown to Ivy.
>Half of me wants to strangle ya
>And what does the other half want?
>To hit you with a truck!
that episode where we learn that the penguin is literally me
op was superior no doubt but this hit me way harder
He stayed with her till she died
Epilogue was such a kino episode.
The two face two parter was better and it sucks his storyline in the show just kind of ends.
The Actor who did his voice just died. He played Bull on the original Night Court
Holy shit. I had no idea that was him.
>The two face two parter was better and it sucks his storyline in the show just kind of ends.
This was the last episode of the show. It's fantastic symbolism for the fate of Bruce Wayne, he couldn't even help his old friend, and instead of getting better they both become worse and more obsessed, but Batman reaffirms his commitment even against the ever more impossible task before them. I thought it was great. Fricking imagine ending your show on the words
>Guilty, guilty, guilty
When did Batman date Kim Possible.
That's Barbara Gordon
wish we had an actual non-moronic movie set in the faux 1920s art deco batman world. burton's flicks were great visually but everything about them was stupid as hell
the arkham games do a decent job at capturing the show's style but they're still games
Secret Snake Club is the best animated episode of all time.
underrated episode coming through
I gotta go with picrel.
imagine
>the perfect woman doesn't exi-
>why couldn't you just let me pretend
Holy shit that hits hard today
beware the gray ghost. for some reason i really like episodes of old washed up heroes past their prime. i really liked the old nite owl plot in watchmen and that angel episode about the luchador too.
for me it's the Scooby-Doo episode A Night of Fright is No Delight
Frick you. You knew I was gonna read this thread and you still posted the one episode from Scooby-Doo that still can give me the willies. Be ashamed.
That aside, this was the GOAT episode. People who think it was Spooky Space Kook are braindamaged. Night of Fright was real horror.
>the way the ghosts laugh
Sounded like an actual murderous psycho
>bwaahHHHAAAAAHHAAAUhuuhhhhhhaaHHAAHHUUHIUU
that is terrifying for a child
My sister still doesn't like grandfather clocks and she definitely doesn't look at ANY clock when midnight strikes. She doesn't close her eyes in the shower either because of that scene where the tiles slide open and Scooby falls into the basement. For me it was the scene in the wine cellar where the ghost comes running right at the screen; that's the only gimmick I turn away from in horror movies now. That episode fricked us both up pretty hard.
It's a master class of horror unlike any of the other episodes though, from the actual jump scares to the psychological terror of being asleep and totally vulnerable when you're attacked, and all the cousins just vanishing. The sound design of the laughs, the fricking way they move with their creepy chins shaking, all of it. Good God, how did they pull it off?
>She doesn't close her eyes in the shower
How do you know that anon?
The non coomer answer is we bond over our childhood memories.
The coomer answer is obvious.
I had no problem with any of the villains except this motherfricker. Used to have nightmares of him hiding around the corners, and I'd see that fricking mask peeking at me.
More like the Space asiatic
It’s the glowing scuba dude for me
Gets mogged by Beyond completely
>never tapping dat ass
McGuinness' fault for being such a gay
beyond is really weak compared to btas
Said no one ever
Beyond had higher highs but lower lows. Just like everything after BTAS. BTAS was the most consistent of the DCAU.
I would argue the opposite, BTAS has higher higher but alos lower lower, Beyond is the more consistant show
nah it's a worthy successor, great in its own way
But Terry had sex with Melanie. When she sneaks in his room and they start making out.
%3D
>This was a kids show 20 years ago
What the frick went wrong?
Batman Beyond was actually 24 years ago, soon to be 25 years ago, in just 2 months actually.
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>Batman Beyond was 25 years ago
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE MUST GO BACK
There ain't no fricking way batman beyond came out when I was only 13...
>the matrix came out 24 years ago
>Harry Potter and the lord of the rings came out 22 years ago
AHHHHHHH WHAT THE FRICK
Probably a bad time mention I had just turned 3 (turning 4, I have late birthday, December) (and it did come out in January of 99), but hey I'm pushing 30 now.
>Harry Potter and the lord of the rings
Ah yes, I remember that one well
"Look Hermione, I put it on me wand!" said 'Arry as he pointed down.
pc
to be fair it kind of stood out even back then as being overly violent/dark, it's just that nobody knew or cared enough back then
there was a whole group of these shows from the same universe: batman beyond, zeta, and a few others i forgot, but beyond was the best and also the darkest
while we're nostalgiaing over 90s/2000s cartoons, does anyone remember the name of that one where the dude uses his headset thing to like fuse with/control a giant monkey and fight crime? i've been trying to remember its name for roughly 15 years
this one was pretty disturbing and I still think of it till this day
That is the truly haunting one for me. That guy endured buried alive as a radioactive skelly for like 20 years alone all for revenge and in the end gave it all up for his daughters future.
The 90s was a lot grittier and had a ton of flesh melting acid & grotesque transformations in popular media. Akira also comes to mind.
I wonder if any was inspired by the aftereffects of Agent Orange.
Thanks for the spoilers anon
lol he sure made you zoom in & analyze those death scenes didn't he
damn i gonna rewatch this because i dont remember alot of those
Different show but he's in it so it's related.
>"Do you know what killed the dinosaurs?"
>Ugh no...
>"Well Chucko does."
>OD into vegetable
That battle had such great music
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BB is just a continuation of btas
Schway
Schwarbage
Batman beyond was shit and only reason people here like it more is because they grew up with BB instead of TAS
I started watching this again, and Langstrom's transformation in the first episode is legitimately god tier animation.
I hated Cold Comfort so much. They concluded his arc perfectly in Sub Zero, that episode should've never been made.
but then we wouldn't have head in a jar freeze in Batman Beyond
As iconic as that is, the show could've done without it.
Disagree I think the entire collective Mr Freeze arc of the DCAU was a masterpiece.
Heart of Ice = Great
Deep Freeze = Very Good
SubZero = Good (freeze isn't as menacing or competent as he is elsewhere, but the very end is great)
Cold Comfort = Good to Very Good (I understand why him going full villain is off putting to people but I think him falling into nihilism after loosing his wife and body forever seemed to flow naturally enough, the only place I think it went too far was him going after Bruce despite what he did to save Nora)
Meltdown = Great (tied with heart of ice as the 2 best freeze episodes of the dcau, god tier ending)
TAS and Beyond are so goddamn good.
Beyond is just way better than it has any right being
How did it turn out so well?
Return of the Joker was kino as frick.
I like the one with Clayface's daughter. It gave me a type when I was a kid.
Perchance to dream is best episode and Mask of the Phantasm is best movie
fight me
that’s not Digimon S1E21 “Home Away From Home”
hosoda in his prime couldn't be beat
also apparently that episode has canonical incest themes between tai and kari
It always amuses me how The Grey Ghost episode was a touching commentary on how we grow up and leave our childish obsessions behind us as we grow into our noble adulthood but the same kids who watched BTAS grew up to be cringey manchildren that still consume capeshit even into middle age and have never left their childhood.
>You cant like things from your childhood
>YOU JUST CANT OK
He says while spending his weekend posting on Cinemaphile
I know you're a moronic zoomie but you do realise that very episode was written by people in their 40s at the time, right?
Right because there's no difference being paid 6 figures minimum to create capeshit and being an adult capeshit consoomer solid point there chuck you got me
Yeah they definetely didnt do it because they wanted to, it was just the money. moron
F A G G O T
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It was written by people in their 40s for children
Shut up, gay.
Do zoomers even have role models or do they just idolize streamers/influencers?
Name me an "adult hobby"
>the Grey Ghost was about leaving our manchildish obsessions behind as we grow into our noble adulthood
Is that why the showrunners brought in Adam West to play himself?
Because it was a lesson in how cringe-inducing it is to see hero worship for a failed actor who could never move past his 15 minutes of fame because no-one else could see him as anything else?
Sincerely, no-one replying to you seems to get this. The showrunners could have brought him in to be an interesting character where if you recognised the voice you'd say "Wow it's that guy!" but instead it was just another testament to the guy who played Batman.
My favorite Bruce moment was in that episode where Screech plants a microchip on him to make him hear voices in his head, to make him think that he's going crazy. Terry asks him how he knew he wasn't really going crazy, and he says
>The voice kept calling me "Bruce". That's not what I call myself in my head.
so fricking kino
It's a great line.
That just makes him autistic. Bruce should be his real identity.
>that just makes him autistic
...yes?
He's an obsessed weirdo, that's his character.
batman is clearly autistic, so it makes sense
Bruce Wayne is a character he plays.
It's easier to be Bruce than it is to be Batman.
My favourite was in TAS when Hatter, I think it was, got Bruce Wayne to live in a dream. But he knew it was a dream because he couldn't read a book. You can't read when you dream.
There must be a lot of zoomers on this thread. I saw this when it aired on Fox Kids. I never saw a cartoon that brought out the feels like this episode and Clayface. Shirley Walker’s Elfman type music is a big factor
Bit of an aside, what are the best spider-man cartoons?
The GOAT
This show was so badass
SHOCKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I WILL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH.
>SPIDERGASM
>SPIDERGASM
>RADIOACTIVE SPIDERGASM
chad peter parker: the show
Made by the same studio who made Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
Now I know why I like both.
I felt like I got ADHD just by watching this show.
90s Spider-Man is the only good one.
90s and Spectaular are far and away the best.
the greatest animated episode ever made is objectively Albatross: Wings of Death
but as a shitty casual you wouldn't know this
how into lupin?
99% of Lupin is garbage so it's easy
Just watch the episodes Miyazaki directed while he was still doing tv work
Wings of Death: Albatross
Farewell, beloved Lupin
then watch the Castle of Cagliostro movie
follow up on the rest if you're interested, but there's very little else of worth
>then watch the Castle of Cagliostro movie
NTA, but that was fantastic. Are you telling me that just two episodes is all that remains worth watching?
Watch the first series, it's short, the music is great, and it's darker than most iterations of Lupin. Animation is mostly great too, it helps to remind yourself that The first series of Lupin came out the same year the firt season Scooby-Doo came out. Watch random episodes from series 2, (red jacket) the Miyazaki Eps are great, but there's a lot of fun episodes throughout. 3rd series (pink jacket) is weird and very cartoony, definitely watch the ep directed by Seijun Suzuki(!), it's kind of like that Garfield special where he dies. Obviously watch Castle of Cagliostro, Napoleon's Dictionary, and Malmo's Gold. I haven't seen that many of the movies, so I can't help you much with recommendations, I liked the most recent movies too.
Actually. No. Heart of Ice was so intricate it bankrupt the animated studio. Why animation looks different in BTAS season 2
>thinks miyazaki is somehow obscure
what 3rd world shithole are you from
great animated episode but it felt a little different from a standard Lupin episode, had watched most of the Lupin movies and over a hundred episodes from various seasons of Lupin, and Fujiko displayed multiple times more physical prowess in that episode then she'd ever shown before
I can imagine some people might go straight to the Miyazaki content if they've never seen any Lupin, but those episodes are kind of atypical with the subject matter and more just marvels of oldschool animation
>it felt a little different from a standard Lupin
yes. it's good
ok but why is she bottomless
for me, it was when batman fricked lois
it was just so brutal to clark
Beyond > BTAS > 90s Spiderman > STAS
Nah STAS was great, incredibly consistent and gave Superman a healthy character arc.
That episode where Clark "dies" was great.
Was that the same one where a dude gets sent to the gas chamber?
Being last in that list doesnt make it bad, just makes it the last
Honestly STAS is better than TNBA at least.
Oh I agree, I am more for a Spider-man guy and while I loved the decision to make Peter a chad, I wish the show was a little stronger on the writing and animation front. It's good, it's just not DCAU good.
I find it funny. Brynes MOS is shit on constantly on this board. Yet STAS is loved. It’s literally Brynes MOS! Clark is only survivor of Kryton. His power level isn’t ridiculous. Like Brynes he has to struggle to lift super heavy shit. An atomic bomb kill him. Supergirl not Kryptonian but from another planet
Byrne's run was criticized (at the time) because it did away with the whimsical nature of the comics (most notably the Binder issues) and needlessly complicated certain things like the Supe family and Brainiac. People often say that his version of Luther is the best and I'd be inclined to agree but a great deal of credit should be given to Wolfman for his contributions as well. You're completely right that people are a little unjust when criticizing Bryne's run but there was definitely a lot of iffy moments in it as well and the show was able to smooth out a lot of those oddities and sometimes that's all thats needed. The original mini is still kino though.
Family complication came because Silver Age was so lazy that kept bringing Kryptonian survivors. Got so ridiculous joke was only people died on Krypton was Clark’s parents. Brynes went back Golden Age where Clark was Last Son on Krypton.
While you're not wrong, the whole pocket dimension shtick didn't sit too well with me, making Superboy an antagonist was too much for me. Chalk it up bias but I just couldn't invest it. Plus executing the Phantom Zone criminals, making Superman a murderer and not dealing with the repercussions of that action left a bad taste in my mouth. I think another reason for why the animated series took off was because it was riding off of the success of BTAS and so the audience wasn't as reticent as you'd expect them to be whereas Byrne's run was largely a singular event. I know it doesn't sound very fair, but it is what it is.
Either way there was definitely some charm to having Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen go about their own adventures. You're right though, some of the creative choices taken were genuinely baffling, reading old issues is fun but you know most of it meant to be a one-off.
Appreciate the discussion anon. Few on here can discuss Brynes run without stupid single comments means never read it. Being older Gen Xer. Zoomers won’t ever understand is what a joke DC was at end of Silver Age. Bronze Age tried to patch it but damage was done. Shit people b***h about Brynes about is the stuff people wanted. Why had original Crisis. No Kryptonian survivors! No more Superman being ridiculously over powered. No more cheesy Lex Luthor being some buffoon villain.
>Appreciate the discussion anon
Same, I was very entertained. Pleasantly surprised to know that there are still anons here who know are familiar with the source material and interested in having a through discussion
>Being older Gen Xer. Zoomers won’t ever understand is what a joke DC was at end of Silver Age
It's unfortunate but over the years I've come to accept it. At least we'll have some anons who are interested in bypassing the usual cliches in order to make a more informed observation.
>Shit people b***h about Brynes about is the stuff people wanted
I agree. It's fine to have individualistic concerns such as thinking the dialogue was a little stilted or some arcs could've been better but people have to consider the whole as well. In order to strengthen narrative consistency Byrne had to retire many of the tropes that people identified with Superman in order to create a more streamlined narrative. It's fine have reservations with the method employed but the experiment itself was largely a success.
Perhaps an alternative reason could be Byrne himself. His behavior hasn't done him any favors and fans and casuals alike might be put off by some of his later additions to comic books in general. These sorts of things usually have a negative impact on the overall work of an artist. Case in point Miyazaki whom I adore, but rarely have I seen a astute comment about his work from the threads anons have over at Cinemaphile.
Keep well anon.
> Perhaps an alternative reason could be Byrne himself. His behavior hasn't done him any favors and fans and casuals alike might be put off by some of his later additions to comic books in general.
Good point. My personal opinion, Beynes was put off how Miller and Moore were critically and fan loved but he wasn’t. Fact is this, you can do anything with Batman that isn’t Silver Age campy and be well received. Superman is more difficult. So many split opinions on who Superman should be. Beynes was going against people grew up on or loved Donn Chris Reeve Superman
only someone who hasn't watched 90s spiderman since he was a child could say this
it has terrible ultrafast pacing for adhd sufferers, it's practically unwatchable as an adult. same for the other marvel series too, like xmen and iron man.
I’m banned from posting images on this board for some reason—someone post a still from S18 E11 of the Simpsons “Revenge Is a Dish Best Served Three Times” with some pithy comment.
>Surpassed all other DCU shows
That birdprostitute should be executed. Don't care which side does it. They both have claim.
shut up wonder woman go back to being cucked by batman and zatana
I had no idea who Martian Manhunter was before JL, but apparently he's one of the most broken characters in the setting so he rarely shows up in anything
Thats like almost every DC hero besides the main ones
he's just the Vision but fleshy and afraid of fire
The fire weakness was psychosomatically imposed on him because Martians weren't a peaceful race initially.
When he remembered who he was it became an issue for the Justice League, but in the end he defeated his "evil" self.
Pretty much all the X-Men put together.
& It ended inspiring the best (and unfortunately last good) Marvel animated series
This was the worst of the DCAU after TNBA. So fricking boring.
Sure it is.
The Justice League is one reason I've always liked DC a bit better than Marvel.
Marvel has some ok characters, but as an autist, I like the hard structure of a singular organization that the heroes all join. Like a police force made up of heroes.
There's S.H.E.I.L.D in Marvel, but it ain't got the same vibe as the League.
Recess is the best kids show, its time to accept the truth
meh
>Recess is the best kids show, its time to accept the truth
Fine. But DCAU stuff is for adults. It has much much darker, more nihilistic tone and touches on concepts like fascism, racism, and free speech. Its not really made for kids.
That got me thinking later in life, there's virtually no episode where the moral lesson is offensive. It was good pedagogy for kids to learn about ethics and nobility. Even the "Better World" episode treated the villains' viewpoint with respect.
One of the best scenes in DCAU btw:
Damn I really gotta watch Justice League one of these days.
>batman throwing shade at batman at the end
holy kino. rip Kevin ;_;
these are literally kid shows made to sell toys lmao
That's the mistaken impression people get because they weren't alive from the late 1850s to the 1950s which saw the rise of speculative fiction following the romantic movement.
These kinds of stories used to be for adults, just like folk tales, just like the classical music on the baby einstein cds.
A lot of these are essentially fairly deep philosophical exercises reduced to their bare elements, like Twilight Zone amd Star Trek TNG. At least B:TAS was, can't speak for the modern series.
it's saturday morning cartoons written by dudes that like comics
They dismissed Socrates too.
>muh capeshit toons is socrates
ok bro
The people who wrote them were heavily influenced by radio drama and turn of the century speculative fiction like the works of Jules Verne, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the pulps like Weird Tales and Amazing Stories, and likely more modern authors like J.B. Priestley who continued the tradition.
It's for all ages.
it's a toy commercial for kids that was lucky to have good writers.
I mean the writing is pretty much the core of any show.
The 'superhero' element is just superficial window dressing for B:TAS.
The crucial element is how they find ways to weave the various villain of the week backstories into something more substantial.
It's also why modern capeshit, and modern Batman movies, which SHOULD according to you be the same as B:TAS, feels so wildly different.
>which SHOULD according to you
Black person what
now you're making shit up schizo
Alan Moore was right; it is just dumb comics.
Kinda makes sense. If a person wanted to reduce storytelling to the concept of moral lessons, it makes sense that they would be useful for adults just as much as for kids.
go back
Hillarious satire. yes, there are 'adult themes' insofar as they deal with a bunch of adults but they never explore complex adult themes in any serious way.
I wanted to sexo Spinelli so bad
>the episode where they introduce capitalism through stamps and TJ becomes the king and then they all impoverish him by no longer caring about the stamps
incredible
>Fine. But DCAU stuff is for adults. It has much much darker, more nihilistic tone and touches on concepts like fascism, racism, and free speech. Its not really made for kids.
The final flashback was so well done that even when I knew what would happen, I was still at the edge of my seat. BTAS understood the redemptive element of the character really well.
I always like stories where Batman acts as as a Cerberus-type character, being the figure blocking a villain's path to damnation.
It's alright Cinemaphile I forgive you.
>hamill's laugh at the end
chils.
For me, it's
>perchance to dream
>it's never too late
>feat of clay
>his silicon soul
>robin's reckoning
>two face
>almost got 'em
And of course Heart of Ice
>That episode of S:TAS where Darkseid just fricking murders a guy after conceding defeat
Crazy that a kid's show from the 90s has more character development and story arc than most major blockbuster movies nowadays.
the writers were more well-rounded and took from the Classics.
shows like Gargoyles pretty much were retellings/revisitings of Shakespeare to fresh youngsters.
Now rather than describe the human condition through media, writers see cartoons as a metapolitical turf to push their transient/fleeting emotional ideas rather than depict what is timeless about us.
Kino
BTAS, STAS and BB are the pinnacle of Western animation, style and Western ethos (a little bit of ancient Greek philosophy and Christian morals).
They're perfect. If I'm ever an uncle I'm making sure my nieces and nephews watch them when they're 9-12, you don't have many stories nowadays that show how to grow and learning to accept consequences, instead of the shallow preaching and never walking the talk modern media does.
STAS? I assume Superman
BOOBA
I've heard this did a pretty good job of retelling a lot of the comic arcs.
Did a fantastic job. The Secret Wars ending and Madame Web multiverse. The ending was Parker searching for Mary Jane. Crazy how 90s kids shows have more coherent stories, plots and emotional arcs then these modern films.
This was the only time period where it made sense having 2d waifus. The girls weren't just hot, they had depth and character development.
>the pinnacle of Western animation was animated in Japan and Korea
No wonder Cinemaphile keeps getting BTFO by Cinemaphile
Cinemaphile has even redditer mods than this board, I don't think there's one of them that isn't a transsexual
So what are the definitive 90s cartoon kinos? I have:
>BTAS
>Batman Beyond
>Spiderman Animated series
>Superman Animated series
Would you recommend anything else?
Static Shock is an honorable mention. It's a great example of when a show could be "woke" but no one minded because there were decent stories being told and it wasn't exclusively about hating white men.
I liked the Child's Play episode a lot.
Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Really, really camp and weirdly good for a ridiculous show.
>BTBATB
THE MUSIC MEISTEEEEEEER
And we are all his pawnnss!
90s X-Men
>Would you recommend anything else?
Gargoyles & pic related.
MABYE the Men In Black cartoon.
The Pacific Rift cartoon is brilliant. It's weird as frick.
spongebob, hey arnold
You know what? Frick it, I loved Extreme Ghostbusters as a kid. HBO Spawn too.
This mogs everything else in how fricked up it was
>Robin captured
>tortured
>drugged
>electrocuted
>brainwashed
>permanently damaged
I mean, yeah other characters had bad shit happen, like being buried alive, but this was ROBIN, one of the main characters.
Well in the comics Joker originally beats him to death with a crowbar.
IIRC didn't they animate that comic?
ye under the red hood, it was actually pretty good
yeah the creation of red hood in the comics was a major retcon
this was one of the few times a children's cartoon was legit disturbing
It's extra fricked up because Tim's torture was pretty conventional. Other characters suffered mutations or had sci-fi tech malfunctioning, stuff that is fantastic enough that the viewer can distance himself. Tim, a child, was driven insane through beatings, drugs and electric shocks for weeks, the kind of torture that someone could be going through right now. The violence hits much closer.
Even the censored version is still one of the darkest moments in these shows.
>its a girlfight episode
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YOU KILLED CAPTAIN CLOWN
One of my favorites
Americans make the best anime. Ya gotta love us, ya just gotta!
>TFW my dad used to watch this show with me every weekday afternoon when he finished his factory shift.
Bros, we had it so good.
>tfw no Batman thread every praises your favorite episode
>instead everyone always jerks off the usual suspects
Tell me this doesn't deserve a spot in the top 10.
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It's top 25 at best
One of my favorites
Post kino scenes
Thanks Cinemaphile, you got me to subscribe to HBO Max just to watch this show. Never seen it before.
Should have bought the DVDs. Less than two months of subscription and you can rewatch forever.
Reminder that an ancient japanese man hand-animated the snow particles for that scene.
zoomer kino
i watched the pilot and enjoyed that enough to finish the first season
and then i guess ward left and let the gays take over?
>i didn't count on being happy
Homer at bat is the best animated episode ever created.
Shave off those sideburns mattingly!
I loved when Mr. Burns was so out of touch with baseball that he wanted his ringers to all be stars of the deadball era.
me and a buddy of mine at work were just talking about this episode last week
>you play right field
yes
>i play right field too
so?
>well are you better than me?
Well I never met you, but yes.
It's like top 3 episode for me, maybe number 2, but last exit to springfield is my number 1
>last exit to springfield
"dental plan!"
"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST OF TIMES!"
I watched this without nostalgia. Boring episode, I didn't feel anything.
Music is always ignored. Shirley Walker continued the Danny Elfman inspired score that made these episodes more feels. Elfman is considered a joke now. But let’s see. Batman score. The Flash score. Raimi Spider Man score
Good call on Shirley Walker. Her work on Mask of the Phantasm is vastly superior to the Elliot Goldenthal live action scores.
Nitghtbreed.
The Batman was just an ok show but this episode was really good. An original villain voiced by Brandon Routh.
I actually started rewatching (and completing) this series recently since it's on Netflix.
& funny coincidence, and slightly Cinemaphile related, this show's version was my first exposure to the Big Guy, I remember having a toy of him, it was pretty weighty, one of the many toys I wish I still had.
The Batman did some weird stuff, but Rasta-Joker really grew on me. Of course being voiced by Kev helps a lot.
the speech was a bit hammy
Beware the Grey Ghost was the best episode and it's not even close.
Good stuff.
It was pure soul.
Didn't Adam West voice the Ghost as an awesome homage?
Yes
One of my favorite things about BTAS was just how compassionate Bruce was. TNBA onwards made him much more of a jerk, though still with his moments (like the Ace scene).
Not even the best DCAU episode
My Ideal Cartoon - Redemption Squad
My Ideal Cartoon - Villain Team
> Malefic (jl-doom)
> Superwoman (jl-crisis on 2 earths)
> Star Sapphire (jl-doom)
> Lord Dragonanus (mighty ducks)
> Wraith (mighty ducks)
> Monstar (silverhawks)
Cartoon God Squad!
Anime Hero Team
it's funny how atheists become evil due to a prostitute, like darth vador
imagine being a nazy due to a veganas
Is this show really worth watching? Do I have to watch them all or can I just the best ones?
> Your time it seems is coming to an end.
Brave and the bold is the most underrated Batman show.
for me it's Urban Ed
The original BTAS was the best by far. It's not even close, from quality of animation to character models and story arcs. Tbh it's the best thing DC has ever funded aside from Watchmen. Ever. Zoomer might not relize it, but it's up there with Batman: Year One as one of the medium that defined the character. TNBA doesn't hold a candle in terms of quality and impact.
>aside from Watchmen
1-300-COME-ON-NOW
I mean the comic book, not the movie. I also enjoy the movie, but they should have cut the alley scene where Daniel and Laurie kick ass. It feels compeltely out of place in the story and they are supposed to be normal human beings.
To be fair I'm not a comic guy, but I did read that. Borrowed it from a library even. It's alright, but then, out of all the stuff from the time and the 90s? See I dunno. As for the movie, it's not great, but it's not terrible. 300 definitely worked better in that format.
Would you?
How is Young Justice season 3 btw? I heard it's bad.
The Batman is worth watching. It's different. Alfred is definitely different to the norm in this.