FTFY. Whites are the only people who love animals more than humans, their own race, and even their own family. It's why none of them ever have children and always treat dogs and cats as surrogates.
In the original 1978 Superman movie, a young Clark watches his father die from a heart attack. He later says remorsely, even with all his powers there was nothing he could do to save him.
In Man of Steel his father tells his invincible son not to save him from a tornado which he could've easily done.
Because he's a moron and decided to change the message from "you can't save everybody, no matter how powerful you are" to "IS IT LE EVEN MORAL TO SAVE PEOPLE AT ALL???"
>Clark gets tired of his space ghost dad's burdens and Red Kryptonite's himself to a life of hedonism >Jonathan makes a pact with Jor-El to get the powers to stop Clark and bring him back home, which weakens his body >Clark's shitty girlfriend dies and he uses his last time reversing maguffin to save her >the changed timeline leads to events that give his father a heart attack
At least that's how I remember it happening. God Smallville was so moronic, I miss it and would take it any day of the week over Snydershit.
Because the point was a scenario where Superman could use his powers but would choose not to. The heart attack scenario doesn't fulfill that condition because Superman is powerless in that case.
except that wasn't the point
the whole point of pa kent having a heart attack was to show that clark was not an invincible god, there are things that will happen that even he can't predict or even intervene in, and despite all of his superhuman gifts, he is still very vulnerable
snyder being the hack he is tries to turn this into a moral dilemma of should I or not
>except that wasn't the point
Except that was the point in the movie. As for the powerless bit, the movie tackled that in a different way with Zod and especially focused on it with BvS.
I could be wrong because it’s been a long time since I’ve watched Smallville, but I think he was actually murdered and it was made to look like a heart attack. The reveal was in the later seasons. Similar to CD’s death in Walker Texas Ranger.
the original superman movie also had superman actually being an optimistic hero who enjoyed saving people while snyder turned him into a brooding autist that whines about people comparing him to jesus
Reminds me of mcu spiderman. You can never convince me that the original plan from the start was for his trilogy to be an origin story. They 100% backtracked because many people were complaining that he relies too much on tony stark and not enough of a real peter.
its funny, I thought Superman's father ALWAYS died young and it was pivotable moment in his life but then my brother showed me the Injustice cartoon movie DC made and his father is an old widower instead
ofc he dies in the movie but it was a weird choice
You're right.
Pa Kent survives well into Clark's adulthood in some of the comics.
John Byner kept him alive in his Man Of Steel miniseries in the 80's and he was back in the main series for years too around then.
yeah that was the funniest part. So he saves random kids all the time and lots of people already suspect him. But nah, no exceptions for dad. But next time he finds some dude drowning in a pool, he definitely dives in to save him. Also lol as if anyone is going to see shit in a tornado, everyone is running away anyway
>In the original 1978 Superman movie, a young Clark watches his father die from a heart attack. He later says remorsely, even with all his powers there was nothing he could do to save him.
The movie is about Superman doing the very opposite, which is to get powerful enough so that he can literally travel back in time to save Lois Lane from certain doom. Pa death serves as a motivation to get good, not to accept fate.
look... pa knew clark better than anyone. He knew clark's first response to anything is to break someones neck. He knew if clark flew over he and the dog were done for anyway.
I like how Pa Kent magically comes back for a cameo in BVS in a dream(?) to give Clark a message of hope by telling him how he drowned all his neighbor's horses to death once.
Bonus: He suddenly developed a "southern" accent in this dream or whatever even though he was from Kansas and had no accent in MOS.
wasn't ready for what? it's not like people could actually see what was going on through a fricking tornado, if clark just ran in there and saved him and they turned up alive and well a mile out people would just chalk it up to a freak accident miracle
Because at that point it of DCEU it wasnt a comic book movie, it was an alien sci fi and a planet of christcucks werent ready to be BTFO by full disclosure. Even the newspaper Black knew better than to upset his masters globohomosexual status quo
if there weren't any superhumans in this universe yet why would they leap to assume clark is a god just because he survived a tornado? they'd just think it was a miracle
what? that's what i'm saying. clark kent could have just saved the dog or pa kent and nobody would think he's a superhero so pa kents sacrifice is moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
That part of the movie was moronic and I dont care because its fricking 10 seconds and the only bad part of the whole mpvie
>if
There wasnt, it was a alien invasion movie plain and simple. They went to lengths to show the last days of the ancient egnimatic kryptonian civilization and explained away all superman's powers with sci fi inserts >super strength = car crushing gravity >kryptonite = concentrated krypton atmosphere >flight & laser vision = genetic engineering, everyone is a artificial clone
Honestly regular scifi alien movies have more fantasy bullshit than MoS. Even stargate with their whole magic ascension. BvS and every movie after that was shit because they went full comic book. Just like the first Iron Man, it started grounded which us why it was kino
Clark is also fast enough that he could have grabbed him and and returned. When and IF someone said..."wait weren't you over there?"...they could have easily laughed it off and been like..."nope, been here the whole time, weather makes you see things sometimes"
>the world wasn't ready
Yeah the 10 Kansas farmers watching in whatever pre-social-media year this was were going to alert the world that a space alien that looks exactly like a human had god powers and saved his adopted human father from a tornado. Zach really thought this scene out didn't he?
imagine him in a meeting with the actors explaining this scene trying to get the prepared. Then to the cameraman, editors, etc. At no point does it ever click for him.
I assume it's some bullshit about the Yellowstone super-volcano but even then it doesn't make sense, there is no reason Superman couldn't save him from a volcano just as easily as he could have saved him from a tornado.
He feared either government interference causing his son to go scorched earth, or cult of personality causing his son, who was 16 at the time, to go I'm a god,worship me!
He literally said earlier, What if you were exposed?
Clarke:You wanted me to let those kids die?
Jonathan: Maybe: Clarke, don't do anything until you're damn sure what kind of man you want to be!
And no, this version of Clarke didn't have bullet time speed! He could run very fast but not fast enough to be unnoticed.
surely if he just ran into the tornado and tackled his dad and they both wound up being safe after the whole storm had passed people would chalk it up to a lucky break rather than him being a superhuman. people have survived stranger things.
He's 16 years old, And There's a freaking large tornado approaching his father!
You're expecting a 16 year old, under those conditions, to behave rationally?
no I expect him to behave emotionally, and I think an emotional superhuman teenager would just run up and try to save their dad. it's not like him tackling his dad in front of 20 hicks in bumfrick kansas, in the middle of a tornado no less, would somehow out his abilities to the world.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lois found him due to his super powered indiscretions.
but the scene has no meaning other than 'between your loved ones and your secret identity, you should choose your secret identity". Which is a terrible teaching for Clark and is totally out of character for superman.Snyder didn't get the character, he always projected his nihilistic post modern shitty morality
You're confused! This is JONATHAN's fears!
And you're being disingenuous; imagine a child you're guardian of who can break the planet! That's literally like having Nuclear codes only the codes is a child going through puberty susceptible to tantrums!
what's even worse is that Clark tried to go save the fricking dog before Pa Kent did, but Pa Kent stopped him.
Clark could've just ran into the tornado, got the fricking dog, vanished in the stormcloud like Pa Kent did, but then miraculously turn up alive later and everyone just thinks it's a miracle. what the frick was Pa Kent thinking?
Because he didn't want a Super Boy Prime scenario. Do pay attention!
[...]
it's even worse than that. pa kent only doesn't escape the tornado because his ankle breaks in the process of saving the fricking dog while he's in the car. clark could've just ran up to the car, got the dog and ran back and it would've looked completely normal to everyone watching. fricking snyder lmao
No. He doesn't have Bullet Time!
Pa Kent dies from a heart attack or illness in most versions, even in the George Reeves' show. But they were trying to reinvent the wheel.
And they did so successfully. Problem is, the filtered room temperature IQ'd mongs!
is it better than the original Superman 2?
Its better than Superman 1 and 2
11 months ago
Anonymous
On a moral level, death is a necessary and natural part of life. Superman can't and shouldn't save everyone. Jon Kent also understood that his ultimate mission was imbue Clark with absolute empathy and restraint because he knew Clark's existence would create conflict. That's what the Jon Kent storyline was all about. Teaching Clark to deal with his emotions so that he would be the sort of person capable of constructively wielding his great power.
On a practical level, what was supposed to happen otherwise? Clark runs into the tornado and they all somehow survive without revealing his powers? They skip town, change identities and hope nobody recognizes them? If Clark wasn't able to deal with loss then he would eventually, even if unintionally, wield his powers in an obsessive way and never be able to move on or emotinally mature. Jon's lessons were all built up to that point. Clark has to show ultimate restraint because it's ultimately the right thing to do for the greater good.
>If Clark wasn't able to deal with loss then he would eventually
the scene was not good, sorry
it could've been done in a much more clever way. Pa Kent offing himself was moronic and too edgy for my taste
but the scene has no meaning other than 'between your loved ones and your secret identity, you should choose your secret identity". Which is a terrible teaching for Clark and is totally out of character for superman.Snyder didn't get the character, he always projected his nihilistic post modern shitty morality
>Clarke:You wanted me to let those kids die? >Jonathan: Maybe: Clarke
You realise this is bad right
This is not good writing least of all for a superman film
>y-you don't get it!
we're laughing at the moronic, contrived way it's directed you idiot
just like the muhrta scene
personally I like how the tornado closed in 50 meters from the overpass just enough to swallow pa Kent, so that everyone can have a good look, and then it just fizzled off
what's even worse is that Clark tried to go save the fricking dog before Pa Kent did, but Pa Kent stopped him.
Clark could've just ran into the tornado, got the fricking dog, vanished in the stormcloud like Pa Kent did, but then miraculously turn up alive later and everyone just thinks it's a miracle. what the frick was Pa Kent thinking?
Even without the context from the scene, imagine someone telling you their got killed by a tornado trying to save a dog. Sounds goofy.
it's even worse than that. pa kent only doesn't escape the tornado because his ankle breaks in the process of saving the fricking dog while he's in the car. clark could've just ran up to the car, got the dog and ran back and it would've looked completely normal to everyone watching. fricking snyder lmao
[...]
it's even worse than that. pa kent only doesn't escape the tornado because his ankle breaks in the process of saving the fricking dog while he's in the car. clark could've just ran up to the car, got the dog and ran back and it would've looked completely normal to everyone watching. fricking snyder lmao
It really is unforgivable. I remember being so excited for MoS thinking it might be one of the best capeshit movies ever made. I never really like superman but those MoS trailers had me so hyped. That scene killed it. Him swimming away from the bus was unintentionally funny too
Pa Kent also scolded Clark for saving a bus full of kids and even thinks it might have been better if he had just let them all die..
I'm still not sure how Snyder thought how anyone was suppose to find this version of Kent noble in any way.
>the scene where Ghost Pa Kent tries to lift Clark's spirits by telling him how he drowned his all of his neighbors horses
what the frick was his problem?
You're meant to think of him as a human, in human terms.
>Clarke:You wanted me to let those kids die? >Jonathan: Maybe: Clarke
You realise this is bad right
This is not good writing least of all for a superman film
>This is not good writing
Why? >uh because uhm superman is SUPPOSED TO superman ALWAYS superman USUALLY
Shut up you moron Black person
because pa kent is not intentionally written as a moronic sociopath but comes off as such to the audience due to the lack of self-awareness by the writer
>the paragon of the American ideal, the arguably most virtuous superhero, specifically made to represent the "best of America that we can offer", the "upmost best self we can attain" >should let family members and children die
You fundamentally don't understand the source material. You just don't.
The "zod created the tornado" theory isn't backed by anything in the final cut so claiming it was kryponite infused doesn't make sense. Also how would a human even know/sense that?
Cinemaphile will never stop being buttflustered by its collective inability to understand this character and the implications of that for its collective pleb status
Pa Kent has to die by a heart attack in order for Clark to learn that he can’t always save people and fix things with his powers. It’s why Uncle Ben has to be killed by the crook Peter let go. Having Clark watch his father die due to circumstances he actually could fix does not teach the same lesson at all.
That is such basic b***h character writing. That is the wheat bran of writing. It treats the characters and the audience like stupid children. That is writing so basic they put it in a comic book, think about that.
>they put comic book writing in a comic book
look at the big brain on Brad >audiences remember the comic books fondly years later >they request eyebleach immediately after watching your movie
Wow he really won huh
>Pa Kent has to die by a heart attack in order for Clark to learn that he can’t always save people and fix things with his powers.
But then he goes back in time and saves Lois despite this supposed lesson and Jor El telling to not do that shit either. Superman 1978 is very contradictory.
You forgot the part where Pa Kent dying isn’t fundamental to Superman’s character due to there being plenty of iterations where he lives. At the end of the day it’s just a bunch of reevesgays that are butthurt their headcanon didn’t get fulfilled.
I don’t think Pa dying is fundamental, but the way he dies has to be. Again, Peter Parker has to come face to face with Uncle Ben’s killer and realize it’s the same guy he chose to let go earlier. That’s why the origin story in Garfield’s TASM fell flat. That moment never comes, and the whole “with great power..” mythos isn’t fulfilled.
Same arg, the mythos of Pa’s death isn’t fundamental to Superman. And as that one anon pointed out with Lois it’s not even applicable to Superman. All Man of Steel did was teach a different lesson, one of regret and the result of inaction which is much better imo. The moment you believe you can’t save anyone is the moment you stop trying to save anyone.
>tv show Clark saves Lana from 2 (3?) tornados >she's fully conscious >front of other people >does it in a way that she never figures out he has powers from that >big budget movie people are stumped
>it makes no sense for him to stop Clark to protect him/his identity >it makes no sense because that's not what he's doing. That's not what's happening in the scene. >N-no!
Every thread the same. Cinemaphile is cinematically illiterate and I don't know why anyone pretends otherwise.
Please explain how one gets a God complex from saving children from drowning. How does a decently raised person, like Clark, somehow become what Pa fears by saving a bus?
I want you to lay out the throughline for whatever batshit logic you use to justify that sort of moronic writing.
I don't know what this aspie "boy Prime" is, but I again ask; from literally WHERE does he get that fear? Clark rarely gets into trouble and comes home after saving a bus full of fricking kids, and his psychopath father's immediate thought ends up being "oh jeez I'm sure worried about my alien son"?
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's because you Mongs are always lost in, muh Reeves! You're not a fan of the comics! If you were you'd understand!
[...] >If Clark wasn't able to deal with loss then he would eventually
the scene was not good, sorry
it could've been done in a much more clever way. Pa Kent offing himself was moronic and too edgy for my taste
They're in tornado alley, in fact it was a beautiful build up and mirrors the many young men who are undecided in life and spend their lives drifting trying to find themselves! It was a beautiful thematic choice
11 months ago
Anonymous
>not a fan of the comics
Ignoring the fact you didn't even answer my question here
I don't know what this aspie "boy Prime" is, but I again ask; from literally WHERE does he get that fear? Clark rarely gets into trouble and comes home after saving a bus full of fricking kids, and his psychopath father's immediate thought ends up being "oh jeez I'm sure worried about my alien son"?
, Golden Age Superman is so far removed from Snydershit it's unreal.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Muh golden age, muh Reeves! Get outta here with that trash!
>and mirrors the many young men who are undecided in life and spend their lives drifting trying to find themselves!
jesuschrist, it's worse than i feared, superman is a zoomer
And?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Which is it >the comics matter >NO LE SUBVERSION THEY DONT MATTER
pick a fricking lane you fricking moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're not a fan obviously because almost every new writer brings their own uniqueness! Goyer's choices were awesome!
>And?
superman is a conservative white christian, cope troony
>troony
What are you on about?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Goyer's choices were awesome! >pa kent is a suicidal maniac >ma kent is a prostitute >lois lane is a feminist >Clark is a depressed homosexual
so awesome bro
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Jimmies Rustled
11 months ago
Anonymous
I again ask what evidence Pa Kent had to go full schizo and suspect his son was about to turn into a dark god because he saved a school bus full of children..
11 months ago
Anonymous
I explained. Earlier! He's the father of either humanity's salvation or destruction! That's a weighty responsibility!
You keyboard warriors are all the same!
>were it me I'd....
You'd do exactly as he did!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nice trolling, I you haven't addressed anything I said.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's because you're kinda dim witted! Why? The man was the Guardian of Godzilla and he knew it! He was afraid Clark would lose control and it would all be his fault!
Like I said, you're kinda room temperature
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, why does he believe Clark would lose control? On what fricking basis?
11 months ago
Anonymous
How the hell would Jonathan know! Clark is an ALIEN! Its not like he could compare Clark to other boys and girls and say, they're relatively normal by HUMAN standards so assuredly Clark, THE ALIEN, should be the same!
He didn't even know the sun was the source of his powers!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Clark is an ALIEN!
not to pa kent, he always saw clark as his son first
11 months ago
Anonymous
This is Jonathan Kent MAN OF STEEL!
NOT.JONATHAN KENT MUH REEVES OR SMALLVILLE!!
As I said, room temperature!
Ok moron, let's try this one more time: on what basis does he have to believe that based on Clark's actions up to the tornado?
Come on now bud.
BECAUSE THE ALIEN CAN DESTROY THE PLANET WITH HIS BARE HANDS!
Room Temperature!!!!
11 months ago
Anonymous
WHAT DOES CLARK DO/SAY UP TO THE POINT OF THE TORNADO SCENE TO PROVE THAT BASIS
11 months ago
Anonymous
Once more, all of this is quite literally,JONATHAN KENT, the man of steel Jonathan Kent's, FEARS!!!!!!!!!
11 months ago
Anonymous
And what did Clark do? HE'S AN ALIEN THAT'S AS STRONG AS GODZILLA!!!!
I accept your concession
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you, Anon!
11 months ago
Anonymous
And what did Clark do? HE'S AN ALIEN THAT'S AS STRONG AS GODZILLA!!!!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok moron, let's try this one more time: on what basis does he have to believe that based on Clark's actions up to the tornado?
Come on now bud.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>And?
superman is a conservative white christian, cope troony
11 months ago
Anonymous
>and mirrors the many young men who are undecided in life and spend their lives drifting trying to find themselves!
jesuschrist, it's worse than i feared, superman is a zoomer
Why did Clark have so much trouble choosing between humans and evil genocide aliens?
Why did everyone call him Kael El all the time and he just kinda didn't bother correcting them? His name is Clark, he lives on Earth
Why did Wonderwoman insist on calling him Kael El? She's not even an alien
Why didn't he just fly away with Zod while he had him headlocked instead of letting him slowly eye laser people?
Why did the Kryptonians insist on terraforming Earth? The oxygen gives them superpowers apparently and all it takes is like 15 minutes of migraines for them to adapt
Why did Zod think it was a good idea to drown Superman in a mountain of CGI skulls as a way to convince him to join their side?
Why did their home planet imploding wipe out the entire civilisation of an intergalactic society? Did every single settlement rely on it for resources or something?
Couldn't they just terraform Mars or something instead of Earth?
Why didn't Superman do anything at all to prevent collateral damage during the fight scenes? Does he have some kind of brain damage preventing him from mapping out short term cause and effect?
Many such questions arise from this film
>Why did Clark have so much trouble choosing between humans and evil genocide aliens?
He didn’t. He surrendered himself to find more truth to the situation and when he realized Zod was going to kill earth he was already set on stopping them. >Why did everyone call him Kael El all the time and he just kinda didn't bother correcting them?
He doesn’t care >Why did Wonderwoman insist on calling him Kael El?
Formality. She’s just pretentious like that. >Why didn't he just fly away with Zod while he had him headlocked instead of letting him slowly eye laser people?
Those people didn’t die. >Why did the Kryptonians insist on terraforming Earth?
Humanity was the equivalent of an anthill to the Kryptonians. They literally do not care. >Why did Zod think it was a good idea to drown Superman in a mountain of CGI skulls as a way to convince him to join their side?
Redpill >Why did their home planet imploding wipe out the entire civilisation of an intergalactic society? Did every single settlement rely on it for resources or something?
The colonial outposts died long ago, krypton’s society was reduced to their sole planet to which they began to harvest inside out >Couldn't they just terraform Mars or something instead of Earth?
Why would they go out of their way to do that? >Why didn't Superman do anything at all to prevent collateral damage during the fight scenes?
Try riding a bike white eating a cake. Also metropolitan collateral damage is also a staple of DC, I don’t know why only MoS is getting called out for this.
it seems like terraforming mars would be less of an obstable for them than terraforming earth given that earth has one of their superpowered last of their kind kin deadset on defending it.
wouldn't it just be more logical to just terraform mars instead as a goodwill gesture to him if it makes no difference to them either way?
I think they would only terraform planets that had optimal conditions for Kryptonians to survive. They had scouts searching the galaxy for those planets. That’s why Earth made sense - Kal El was thriving there.
if the choice was between africa and australia, and one of my superpowered cousins was on africa and said "hey don't do it" i would just choose australia because it's the easier of the two
>wouldn't it just be more logical to just terraform mars instead as a goodwill gesture to him if it makes no difference to them either way?
There is a line where they say that there needs to be a foundation.
The second part sure, but surely kryptonian soldiers would be pretty well trained to fight in other environments or worlds. I don't really understand how a homefield advantage would work in his favor.
Clark had 20+ years of absorbing the yellow sun’s rays and learned to hone his powers from a young age as a result of developing them early. Give Zod the same amount of time and he wins easily.
it's been a while since I saw this movie.
What was the skull thing that got absorbed into supermans brain?
I don't know if it was relevant to the story at all idk
Lucy is symbolic of the triumph of science. It is science that Kryptonians worship, as embodied in their genetics program. For them, "evolution always wins." They look upon science as having given them mastery of their own genetic destiny and entrusted its stewardship to the AI that oversees the future generations of Kryptonians. The "codex" is, for all intents and purposes, their "holy book." When Jor and Lara have Kal "off the program," so to speak, Zod doesn't accuse them of a crime. He accuses them of heresy. Whatever the program's original intentions might have been, over the millennia it has existed, it has evolved into Krypton's religion.
That's part of the reason that Zod and his fellow Kryptonians have zero problem wiping out all life on Earth. We're not just living in squalor. We're part of it - misappropriated biomass that would be far better put to use in resurrecting Krypton.
>"A foundation has to be built on something. Even your father recognized that."
On a moral level, death is a necessary and natural part of life. Superman can't and shouldn't save everyone. Jon Kent also understood that his ultimate mission was imbue Clark with absolute empathy and restraint because he knew Clark's existence would create conflict. That's what the Jon Kent storyline was all about. Teaching Clark to deal with his emotions so that he would be the sort of person capable of constructively wielding his great power.
On a practical level, what was supposed to happen otherwise? Clark runs into the tornado and they all somehow survive without revealing his powers? They skip town, change identities and hope nobody recognizes them? If Clark wasn't able to deal with loss then he would eventually, even if unintionally, wield his powers in an obsessive way and never be able to move on or emotinally mature. Jon's lessons were all built up to that point. Clark has to show ultimate restraint because it's ultimately the right thing to do for the greater good.
>On a practical level, what was supposed to happen otherwise? Clark runs into the tornado and they all somehow survive without revealing his powers?
uh, yes. people would just assume they're really lucky and it's a miracle not that he's a superpowered alien.
they can't even see anything inside the tornado, you can't even see pa kent die because the storm is so powerful. they wouldn't see shit, they'd just find pa kent and clark alive and be like "wow that's crazy".
even if they did, what the frick are they going to do? suddenly the entire world knows about superman because of the witness testimony of 10 hicks in rural kansas in the middle of a tornado who claim that a man that looks completely ordinary person is a superpowered alien?
No one would buy it and of course it would add up in a big way to all of the other lesser displays of power Clark had shown throughout the years. There were already whispers about his deeds and Jon Kent's death definitively put it to rest. Eventually the government would come knocking, especially after that unsolved unexplained bus miracle which was obviously reported.
what do you mean no one would buy it? people survive crazy shit all the time through dumb luck. even if they didn't buy it, who is going to believe the testimony of 10 randos from kansas in the middle of a tornado? do you realize how many random fricking alien reportings there are in rural america? the government would not "come knocking".
hell, the only reason Pa Kent even doesn't get away from the tornado is because he breaks his ankle inside of the car. Clark could've just ran to get the dog, let him out then run back and it would've looked completely normal.
>a crowd watching >in the middle of a tornado that nobody can see past >the crowd of ten hicks in rural kansas claiming that a kid is a superhuman alien based on their testimony from in the middle of a fricking tornado would totally be believed
yeah okay
11 months ago
Anonymous
There 30-50 people and those who were already suspect of him. Easily enough for the government to investigate. Check any real life investigations into extraterrestrials or other freak incidents.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They investigate UFOs because UFOs could be a a foreign country using a spy satellite or other piece of technology. They do not investigate the calls of a random group of rednecks claiming they saw big foot, especially when their testimony is so obviously compromised by being in the middle of a tornado.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>have a situation where a bus went into water and was pushed out >other reportings of superhuman acts >now survives a tornado in front of a crowd >everyone saying the same person
Your denial is beyond reason.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>a bus was pushed into water 15 years ago >survived being in a tornado that nobody can even see clearly
you're right the evidence is conclusive that he has superpowers. the federal government totally wouldn't just ignore this as a bunch of rural schizos. do you have any idea how many reports of crazy incidents they get in a day?
this is also completely neglecting the fact that clark could've just ran to the car, got the fricking dog and ran back looking completely normal. the only reason Pa Kent dies is because his foot gets broken inside the car.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>this is also completely neglecting the fact that clark could've just ran to the car, got the fricking dog and ran back looking completely normal.
No because Clark wasn't at that level yet. The movie specifically showed that he had imprecise control and he only learned how to really use his abilities as an adult. There's a montage about it. Releasing his father's ankle and returning so fast that he's invisible was not a reasonable feat for teenage Clark.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No because Clark wasn't at that level yet.
what level? a normal person could have done it. All he had to do was run at a normal speed. the only thing that stopped Pa Kent from doing it was his foot getting broken when he was in the car, Clark's foot wouldn't have gotten broken. >Releasing his father's ankle and returning so fast that he's invisible was not a reasonable feat for teenage Clark.
I didn't suggest he do that. At first he wants to go save the dog, but for whatever dumbfrick reason Pa Kent stops him and sends him back. If Pa Kent had just let Clark go grab the dog and run back it all would have been fine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>At first he wants to go save the dog, but for whatever dumbfrick reason Pa Kent stops him and sends him back.
You think a man is going to send his son into danger? I know you're autistic but they weren't aware of Clark's invincibility at that point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think a man would run into a tornado to save a fricking dog but that's beside the point. >but they weren't aware of Clark's invincibility at that poin
yes they were
He would have been seen.
he would be seen running like a normal human, grabbing the dog and running back.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think a man would run into a tornado to save a fricking dog
Really? That's what you think huh. Explains a lot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no. I also don't think a superpowered teenager would just watch his dad die when he knows he can help him but again, beside the point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It isn't as if Jonathan warned Clarke repeatedly from a very young age or anything.
11 months ago
Anonymous
yes because teenagers are well known for always listening to their parents, especially something as dramatic as watching them die in front of them when they know they can save them over a nebulous concept like "the world isn't ready for you yet bro"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Jonathan warned him especially after the school bus fiasco, in fact before the tornado scene they were arguing about Jonathan's concerns!
11 months ago
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the fact that they were arguing about it kind of proves clark didn't really agree with jonathan's concerns, and certainly wasn't resolutely bought into them enough to stake his father's life on it
11 months ago
Anonymous
And yet he made a choice! A beautifully displayed thematic moment and perhaps the greatest one ever portrayed in film history; build up and pay off worked flawlessly other than the Filtered ones everyone with an eye for greatness enjoyed it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
When when you take any sort of humanity into the thought process I'm sure it all makes sense to you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>humanity is watching your dad die in a situation you could easily prevent because uhh... the world isn't ready or something
please go on
11 months ago
Anonymous
The world must be a very confusing and aggravating place when an IQ is as low as yours.
11 months ago
Anonymous
not an argument
11 months ago
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It's more a comment really.
11 months ago
Anonymous
irrelevant to the conversation at hand thoughever
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's objectively wrong seeing as it was a comment on your perspective relative to the conversation. But we already know you're dumb.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no. I also don't think a superpowered teenager would just watch his dad die when he knows he can help him but again, beside the point.
There are people in the world who would risk their lives to save their dogs. But the Jonathan thing shouldn't have been a thing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
what kind of moron brings their dog to yellowstone
11 months ago
Anonymous
We're addressing JONATHAN KENT'S fears, not whys and wherefores!
they can't even see anything inside the tornado, you can't even see pa kent die because the storm is so powerful. they wouldn't see shit, they'd just find pa kent and clark alive and be like "wow that's crazy".
even if they did, what the frick are they going to do? suddenly the entire world knows about superman because of the witness testimony of 10 hicks in rural kansas in the middle of a tornado who claim that a man that looks completely ordinary person is a superpowered alien?
He did not want Clark to ruin his life and be a "savior" for all mankind if he was not ready. He wanted him to decide that on his own terms and not have it thrust on him through a discovery of saving his father and using his power in front of tens of witnesses. He loved his son would rather die and was protect Clark by allowing him the choice of a normal life if that is what Clark wanted.
For only $5? God damn you lucky bastard, that is a steal. I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for an action figure of Faora. She was a great addition to Man of Steel, I heard she originally audition for Wonder Woman but Warner execs were set on Gal Gadot, so she was recommended to audition for Faora instead.
I wish she would have gotten the WW role. Gal isn't aggressive like I imagine WW to be. Still so memorable as Faora. The figure is cool but the face isn't quite right. Still very pleased to have it.
Why Zack Snyder never call Traeu for his other movies? We all know he has a fondness for German actors. He calls the Sucker Punch girls all the time. Why not Traue?
>Clark, don't use your gifts for good or to help anybody. Be a wandering homeless man, revealing your power to punish a random trucker who is rude to a waitress then wandering off again. Anyway, I'm off to die in this easily preventable situation so you can grow up without any kind of father figure to help guide you. Bye!
people actually defend this shit
>Zod and Superman have already killed thousands of people with their ridiculous anime fight >NOOOOOOOO ZOD DON'T LASER THAT FAMILY! I HAVE TO KILL YOU NOW! ACK! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
why can't DC make good movies?
it is so fricking rare and they have the same arsenal of capeshit but somehow for every good movie they have a least 5 bad ones.
Bale's batman movies were the only ones that were good in a row
Early to mid 20th century trend. I don't know why they were into it. Same thing with sucking in their guts all the time when taking pictures topless or in bathing suits. Weird to us but it just the thing back then.
in a normal Superman movie, they would do the thing where he doubts himself at first and doesn't know if he wants to use his powers, then he sees his father in mortal danger and decides he wants to use his powers to help people in need. Instead we got this moronic Snyderslop that only pajeets and sociopaths enjoy.
You're a filtered Mong because you were never a comic fan of the series! Its okay, Normie, go back to whatever distracted you.
Room Temperature IQ, CHECK!!!
Listen Mong, imagine you find an Aliens and that kid day after day becomes powerful than the day before, AND, you're A SIMPLE bible belt farmer!
This Jonathan Kent's FEARS! Simple As!
in a normal Superman movie, they would do the thing where he doubts himself at first and doesn't know if he wants to use his powers, then he sees his father in mortal danger and decides he wants to use his powers to help people in need. Instead we got this moronic Snyderslop that only pajeets and sociopaths enjoy.
Everything about this movie is so astronomically stupid. Do you remember those early snydergay threads where fans were unironically trying to argue that he didn't destroy the city, it was "actually an open area downtown with little to no commercial buildings"? It was bizzare cope.
Everything about this movie is so astronomically stupid. Do you remember those early snydergay threads where fans were unironically trying to argue that he didn't destroy the city, it was "actually an open area downtown with little to no commercial buildings"? It was bizzare cope.
You people are idiots!
Did literally said I Will Kill These People!
He was already almost as Strong as Clarke! Clarke flew him into space and Did brought them back down! Room Temperature IQ st al!!!!
Easily one of the dumbest scenes I have ever seen in my life. Letting your dad die because the world "isn't ready" for superman, is about the most unsuperman thing anyone could ever think of.
This is correct. The only viable explanation is that Johnathan Kent himself is a meta human who gets power from tornadoes. He knew this would be his chance to fake his death by ‘disappearing’ and stop being raped nightly by Martian Manhunter.
>the S is a symbol in the Kryptonian language and not just the first letter of Superman
lol, lmao even. I don't care if that came from a comic, that is embarrassing to include in a movie
He was about to enter the speedforce but he got hit by a tornado instead
yeah he was probably on amphetamines
>Stop, Latina cousin of my invincible son
i place the life of a dog below that of my own. now watch as i get thrown a thousand feet and die
Typical american, teaching their children to die for cats, dogs, apes
>Typical White people
FTFY. Whites are the only people who love animals more than humans, their own race, and even their own family. It's why none of them ever have children and always treat dogs and cats as surrogates.
In the original 1978 Superman movie, a young Clark watches his father die from a heart attack. He later says remorsely, even with all his powers there was nothing he could do to save him.
In Man of Steel his father tells his invincible son not to save him from a tornado which he could've easily done.
>pottery
Doesn't his father die from a heart attack in Smallville, too? Why did Snyder change this?
Because he's a moron and decided to change the message from "you can't save everybody, no matter how powerful you are" to "IS IT LE EVEN MORAL TO SAVE PEOPLE AT ALL???"
>"IS IT LE EVEN MORAL TO SAVE PEOPLE AT ALL???"
Kek.
Too accurate.
DEEP
Cuz tornadoes look frickin kewl
I dunno. It gives him a perfect excuse to level Metropolis and bury its people in flaming hot wreckage. I like it. You my friend got filtered
Pa Kent dies from a heart attack or illness in most versions, even in the George Reeves' show. But they were trying to reinvent the wheel.
Should have been Clark doing some super shit to save the dog that gave Pa Kent a heart attack.
probably cause of Nolan and goyer really trying to drive the first contact angle
because then he would have to have a scene without cgi
he could do it like the mortal kombat games with the x-ray vision closeups. Or like in Spawn with the heart bomb.
three kings did it long before mortal Kombat
mortal kombat is from the early 90s, kid
X-ray moves first appeared in MK2011
moron
>Clark gets tired of his space ghost dad's burdens and Red Kryptonite's himself to a life of hedonism
>Jonathan makes a pact with Jor-El to get the powers to stop Clark and bring him back home, which weakens his body
>Clark's shitty girlfriend dies and he uses his last time reversing maguffin to save her
>the changed timeline leads to events that give his father a heart attack
At least that's how I remember it happening. God Smallville was so moronic, I miss it and would take it any day of the week over Snydershit.
because it's not heckin badass enough
Because the point was a scenario where Superman could use his powers but would choose not to. The heart attack scenario doesn't fulfill that condition because Superman is powerless in that case.
except that wasn't the point
the whole point of pa kent having a heart attack was to show that clark was not an invincible god, there are things that will happen that even he can't predict or even intervene in, and despite all of his superhuman gifts, he is still very vulnerable
snyder being the hack he is tries to turn this into a moral dilemma of should I or not
>except that wasn't the point
Except that was the point in the movie. As for the powerless bit, the movie tackled that in a different way with Zod and especially focused on it with BvS.
cause he's a fricking idiot
I could be wrong because it’s been a long time since I’ve watched Smallville, but I think he was actually murdered and it was made to look like a heart attack. The reveal was in the later seasons. Similar to CD’s death in Walker Texas Ranger.
>IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, SUPERMAN LMAO
i hate this trope
the original superman movie also had superman actually being an optimistic hero who enjoyed saving people while snyder turned him into a brooding autist that whines about people comparing him to jesus
You get the crux of the problem sir.
Thank you.
you don't get it!
he would become the Superman 5 movies down the line!
Reminds me of mcu spiderman. You can never convince me that the original plan from the start was for his trilogy to be an origin story. They 100% backtracked because many people were complaining that he relies too much on tony stark and not enough of a real peter.
its funny, I thought Superman's father ALWAYS died young and it was pivotable moment in his life but then my brother showed me the Injustice cartoon movie DC made and his father is an old widower instead
ofc he dies in the movie but it was a weird choice
You're right.
Pa Kent survives well into Clark's adulthood in some of the comics.
John Byner kept him alive in his Man Of Steel miniseries in the 80's and he was back in the main series for years too around then.
What's funny is people in town already know about him anyways
yeah that was the funniest part. So he saves random kids all the time and lots of people already suspect him. But nah, no exceptions for dad. But next time he finds some dude drowning in a pool, he definitely dives in to save him. Also lol as if anyone is going to see shit in a tornado, everyone is running away anyway
>In the original 1978 Superman movie, a young Clark watches his father die from a heart attack. He later says remorsely, even with all his powers there was nothing he could do to save him.
The movie is about Superman doing the very opposite, which is to get powerful enough so that he can literally travel back in time to save Lois Lane from certain doom. Pa death serves as a motivation to get good, not to accept fate.
Halt, my unbeatable step son
>you should let a bunch of school children drown because... you just should, OKAY!
Bravo Snyder.
look... pa knew clark better than anyone. He knew clark's first response to anything is to break someones neck. He knew if clark flew over he and the dog were done for anyway.
kek
I like how Pa Kent magically comes back for a cameo in BVS in a dream(?) to give Clark a message of hope by telling him how he drowned all his neighbor's horses to death once.
Bonus: He suddenly developed a "southern" accent in this dream or whatever even though he was from Kansas and had no accent in MOS.
>syndergenius
It wasn't a dream.
He rode the tornado all the way up that mountain.
jfc, his Dad knew the world wasnt ready yet, and Clark wasnt ready yet.
its not that difficult to grasp, Mega-mind.
wasn't ready for what? it's not like people could actually see what was going on through a fricking tornado, if clark just ran in there and saved him and they turned up alive and well a mile out people would just chalk it up to a freak accident miracle
Clack wasnt ready to be the earth "savior" at that point, and there were many people out on the highway watching his dad and the abandoned vics.
Because at that point it of DCEU it wasnt a comic book movie, it was an alien sci fi and a planet of christcucks werent ready to be BTFO by full disclosure. Even the newspaper Black knew better than to upset his masters globohomosexual status quo
if there weren't any superhumans in this universe yet why would they leap to assume clark is a god just because he survived a tornado? they'd just think it was a miracle
Because they're wasnt any super heros? Why the frick you assume super heros in real world?
what? that's what i'm saying. clark kent could have just saved the dog or pa kent and nobody would think he's a superhero so pa kents sacrifice is moronic
That part of the movie was moronic and I dont care because its fricking 10 seconds and the only bad part of the whole mpvie
This is Jonathan's fears! And solely his fears!
>if
There wasnt, it was a alien invasion movie plain and simple. They went to lengths to show the last days of the ancient egnimatic kryptonian civilization and explained away all superman's powers with sci fi inserts
>super strength = car crushing gravity
>kryptonite = concentrated krypton atmosphere
>flight & laser vision = genetic engineering, everyone is a artificial clone
Honestly regular scifi alien movies have more fantasy bullshit than MoS. Even stargate with their whole magic ascension. BvS and every movie after that was shit because they went full comic book. Just like the first Iron Man, it started grounded which us why it was kino
It was a tornado in bumfrick kansas. He could easily have saved him in front of 5 hicks without getting revealed to the world
Clark is also fast enough that he could have grabbed him and and returned. When and IF someone said..."wait weren't you over there?"...they could have easily laughed it off and been like..."nope, been here the whole time, weather makes you see things sometimes"
i would have noticed and would alert the world immediately
This, I have the world on speed dial waiting for the day I'll meet Superman
they weren't ready to see a guy get the dog and jog back to the underpass
>the world wasn't ready
Yeah the 10 Kansas farmers watching in whatever pre-social-media year this was were going to alert the world that a space alien that looks exactly like a human had god powers and saved his adopted human father from a tornado. Zach really thought this scene out didn't he?
imagine him in a meeting with the actors explaining this scene trying to get the prepared. Then to the cameraman, editors, etc. At no point does it ever click for him.
real pa kent would know that saving lives matters more than public reception, that's the issue here snydergay
Why weren't there a hundred of him spinning around in the Flash CGI? Missed opportunity.
Yeah we know. Warner Bros. does not know how to make a good DC movie.
frick I thought this was the bathroom guardian wtf is this whack shit??
The original script was a volcano which would have made more sense.
Would it have made more sense though?
>a volcano
>in kansas
I assume it's some bullshit about the Yellowstone super-volcano but even then it doesn't make sense, there is no reason Superman couldn't save him from a volcano just as easily as he could have saved him from a tornado.
anybody got the old copy pasta about it being an evil plan by Pa Kent to turn his son into a sociopath?
a fricking KOTAKU writer understood this scene recently. moron james gunn fans could never
Alright then explain it if you're so smart
He feared either government interference causing his son to go scorched earth, or cult of personality causing his son, who was 16 at the time, to go I'm a god,worship me!
He literally said earlier, What if you were exposed?
Clarke:You wanted me to let those kids die?
Jonathan: Maybe: Clarke, don't do anything until you're damn sure what kind of man you want to be!
And no, this version of Clarke didn't have bullet time speed! He could run very fast but not fast enough to be unnoticed.
surely if he just ran into the tornado and tackled his dad and they both wound up being safe after the whole storm had passed people would chalk it up to a lucky break rather than him being a superhuman. people have survived stranger things.
He's 16 years old, And There's a freaking large tornado approaching his father!
You're expecting a 16 year old, under those conditions, to behave rationally?
no I expect him to behave emotionally, and I think an emotional superhuman teenager would just run up and try to save their dad. it's not like him tackling his dad in front of 20 hicks in bumfrick kansas, in the middle of a tornado no less, would somehow out his abilities to the world.
Lois found him due to his super powered indiscretions.
You're confused! This is JONATHAN's fears!
And you're being disingenuous; imagine a child you're guardian of who can break the planet! That's literally like having Nuclear codes only the codes is a child going through puberty susceptible to tantrums!
Because he didn't want a Super Boy Prime scenario. Do pay attention!
No. He doesn't have Bullet Time!
And they did so successfully. Problem is, the filtered room temperature IQ'd mongs!
Its better than Superman 1 and 2
>If Clark wasn't able to deal with loss then he would eventually
the scene was not good, sorry
it could've been done in a much more clever way. Pa Kent offing himself was moronic and too edgy for my taste
Yeah. Summoned up perfectly. Stranger things have happened. It would have also been a good scene to demonstrate his super speed ability.
but the scene has no meaning other than 'between your loved ones and your secret identity, you should choose your secret identity". Which is a terrible teaching for Clark and is totally out of character for superman.Snyder didn't get the character, he always projected his nihilistic post modern shitty morality
>Clarke:You wanted me to let those kids die?
>Jonathan: Maybe: Clarke
You realise this is bad right
This is not good writing least of all for a superman film
>y-you don't get it!
we're laughing at the moronic, contrived way it's directed you idiot
just like the muhrta scene
personally I like how the tornado closed in 50 meters from the overpass just enough to swallow pa Kent, so that everyone can have a good look, and then it just fizzled off
why didn't he just cover his face?
why dont u
Stop, my 4th dimensional bomb
"I want to die but I'm too much of a coward to take my own life, guess I can use this conveniently located tornado."
Watchmen renders all discussion of Superman pointless. It's done, solved. Move on.
yep
Miracleman did it better
In a way it did.
>UMMMM YOU CANT JUST DIE! YOURE SUPPOSED TO LIVE FOR 30 MORE YEARS AND BECOME A BURDEN ON SOCIETY!!
>farmers are a burden on society
Even without the context from the scene, imagine someone telling you their got killed by a tornado trying to save a dog. Sounds goofy.
what's even worse is that Clark tried to go save the fricking dog before Pa Kent did, but Pa Kent stopped him.
Clark could've just ran into the tornado, got the fricking dog, vanished in the stormcloud like Pa Kent did, but then miraculously turn up alive later and everyone just thinks it's a miracle. what the frick was Pa Kent thinking?
it's even worse than that. pa kent only doesn't escape the tornado because his ankle breaks in the process of saving the fricking dog while he's in the car. clark could've just ran up to the car, got the dog and ran back and it would've looked completely normal to everyone watching. fricking snyder lmao
It really is unforgivable. I remember being so excited for MoS thinking it might be one of the best capeshit movies ever made. I never really like superman but those MoS trailers had me so hyped. That scene killed it. Him swimming away from the bus was unintentionally funny too
>what the frick was Pa Kent thinking?
"I'm raising someone else's son. My wife is a Martian Man. I am tired"
Pa Kent also scolded Clark for saving a bus full of kids and even thinks it might have been better if he had just let them all die..
I'm still not sure how Snyder thought how anyone was suppose to find this version of Kent noble in any way.
>the scene where Ghost Pa Kent tries to lift Clark's spirits by telling him how he drowned his all of his neighbors horses
what the frick was his problem?
>neighbors horses
Now he knows why Lana wouldn't date him
You're meant to think of him as a human, in human terms.
>This is not good writing
Why?
>uh because uhm superman is SUPPOSED TO superman ALWAYS superman USUALLY
Shut up you moron Black person
it makes pa kent look like a moronic sociopath
Yes. What exactly was he protecting his invincible son from? Zack had an idea. Not a very good one.
I disagree, but OK. Why is that bad writing?
because pa kent is not intentionally written as a moronic sociopath but comes off as such to the audience due to the lack of self-awareness by the writer
>the absolute state of snydoids
>the paragon of the American ideal, the arguably most virtuous superhero, specifically made to represent the "best of America that we can offer", the "upmost best self we can attain"
>should let family members and children die
You fundamentally don't understand the source material. You just don't.
The "zod created the tornado" theory isn't backed by anything in the final cut so claiming it was kryponite infused doesn't make sense. Also how would a human even know/sense that?
where is the fricking body? He went up but he had to land somewhere else
talk to the hand, my invincible son!
*NOT son
MAKE A CHOICE, MY INVINCIBLE SON/DAUGHTER
This is corny as hell.
>son no. I told them I'm only signing on for 12 minutes of screen time.
Superman's mom is so fricking hot, specially when she's older
Ten fricking years god damn it.
he doesnt say invincible he says invisible
Cinemaphile will never stop being buttflustered by its collective inability to understand this character and the implications of that for its collective pleb status
Does anyone have the Christ edit webm?
Pa Kent has to die by a heart attack in order for Clark to learn that he can’t always save people and fix things with his powers. It’s why Uncle Ben has to be killed by the crook Peter let go. Having Clark watch his father die due to circumstances he actually could fix does not teach the same lesson at all.
That is such basic b***h character writing. That is the wheat bran of writing. It treats the characters and the audience like stupid children. That is writing so basic they put it in a comic book, think about that.
>they put comic book writing in a comic book
look at the big brain on Brad
>audiences remember the comic books fondly years later
>they request eyebleach immediately after watching your movie
Wow he really won huh
>Pa Kent has to die by a heart attack in order for Clark to learn that he can’t always save people and fix things with his powers.
But then he goes back in time and saves Lois despite this supposed lesson and Jor El telling to not do that shit either. Superman 1978 is very contradictory.
You forgot the part where Pa Kent dying isn’t fundamental to Superman’s character due to there being plenty of iterations where he lives. At the end of the day it’s just a bunch of reevesgays that are butthurt their headcanon didn’t get fulfilled.
I don’t think Pa dying is fundamental, but the way he dies has to be. Again, Peter Parker has to come face to face with Uncle Ben’s killer and realize it’s the same guy he chose to let go earlier. That’s why the origin story in Garfield’s TASM fell flat. That moment never comes, and the whole “with great power..” mythos isn’t fulfilled.
Same arg, the mythos of Pa’s death isn’t fundamental to Superman. And as that one anon pointed out with Lois it’s not even applicable to Superman. All Man of Steel did was teach a different lesson, one of regret and the result of inaction which is much better imo. The moment you believe you can’t save anyone is the moment you stop trying to save anyone.
>the world isn't ready for you yet son
>you must reveal yourself by fighting an alien in the ihop
Ya know when you think about it randomly collapsing from a heart attack is just as moronic
He's American so it's entirely within character
Was "pa" Kent even his real dad?
>tv show Clark saves Lana from 2 (3?) tornados
>she's fully conscious
>front of other people
>does it in a way that she never figures out he has powers from that
>big budget movie people are stumped
>it makes no sense for him to stop Clark to protect him/his identity
>it makes no sense because that's not what he's doing. That's not what's happening in the scene.
>N-no!
Every thread the same. Cinemaphile is cinematically illiterate and I don't know why anyone pretends otherwise.
It literally doesn't make any real, coherent narrative sense no matter how hard you cope and suck Zack's wiener.
You've been filtered! Simple as!
Please explain how one gets a God complex from saving children from drowning. How does a decently raised person, like Clark, somehow become what Pa fears by saving a bus?
I want you to lay out the throughline for whatever batshit logic you use to justify that sort of moronic writing.
Again! THIS IS JONATHAN KENT'S FEARS!!!! AS IN HE WAS. AFRAID THIS ALIEN MAY END UP BECOMING THE DEMISE OF HUMANITY!!!!
Jonathan doesn't have the fourth wall knowledge that makes you lot so sure this Version of Clarke wouldn't turn into Super boy Prime!
I don't know what this aspie "boy Prime" is, but I again ask; from literally WHERE does he get that fear? Clark rarely gets into trouble and comes home after saving a bus full of fricking kids, and his psychopath father's immediate thought ends up being "oh jeez I'm sure worried about my alien son"?
That's because you Mongs are always lost in, muh Reeves! You're not a fan of the comics! If you were you'd understand!
They're in tornado alley, in fact it was a beautiful build up and mirrors the many young men who are undecided in life and spend their lives drifting trying to find themselves! It was a beautiful thematic choice
>not a fan of the comics
Ignoring the fact you didn't even answer my question here
, Golden Age Superman is so far removed from Snydershit it's unreal.
Muh golden age, muh Reeves! Get outta here with that trash!
And?
Which is it
>the comics matter
>NO LE SUBVERSION THEY DONT MATTER
pick a fricking lane you fricking moron.
You're not a fan obviously because almost every new writer brings their own uniqueness! Goyer's choices were awesome!
>troony
What are you on about?
>Goyer's choices were awesome!
>pa kent is a suicidal maniac
>ma kent is a prostitute
>lois lane is a feminist
>Clark is a depressed homosexual
so awesome bro
>Jimmies Rustled
I again ask what evidence Pa Kent had to go full schizo and suspect his son was about to turn into a dark god because he saved a school bus full of children..
I explained. Earlier! He's the father of either humanity's salvation or destruction! That's a weighty responsibility!
You keyboard warriors are all the same!
>were it me I'd....
You'd do exactly as he did!
Nice trolling, I you haven't addressed anything I said.
That's because you're kinda dim witted! Why? The man was the Guardian of Godzilla and he knew it! He was afraid Clark would lose control and it would all be his fault!
Like I said, you're kinda room temperature
Ok, why does he believe Clark would lose control? On what fricking basis?
How the hell would Jonathan know! Clark is an ALIEN! Its not like he could compare Clark to other boys and girls and say, they're relatively normal by HUMAN standards so assuredly Clark, THE ALIEN, should be the same!
He didn't even know the sun was the source of his powers!
>Clark is an ALIEN!
not to pa kent, he always saw clark as his son first
This is Jonathan Kent MAN OF STEEL!
NOT.JONATHAN KENT MUH REEVES OR SMALLVILLE!!
As I said, room temperature!
BECAUSE THE ALIEN CAN DESTROY THE PLANET WITH HIS BARE HANDS!
Room Temperature!!!!
WHAT DOES CLARK DO/SAY UP TO THE POINT OF THE TORNADO SCENE TO PROVE THAT BASIS
Once more, all of this is quite literally,JONATHAN KENT, the man of steel Jonathan Kent's, FEARS!!!!!!!!!
I accept your concession
Thank you, Anon!
And what did Clark do? HE'S AN ALIEN THAT'S AS STRONG AS GODZILLA!!!!
Ok moron, let's try this one more time: on what basis does he have to believe that based on Clark's actions up to the tornado?
Come on now bud.
>And?
superman is a conservative white christian, cope troony
>and mirrors the many young men who are undecided in life and spend their lives drifting trying to find themselves!
jesuschrist, it's worse than i feared, superman is a zoomer
Why did Clark have so much trouble choosing between humans and evil genocide aliens?
Why did everyone call him Kael El all the time and he just kinda didn't bother correcting them? His name is Clark, he lives on Earth
Why did Wonderwoman insist on calling him Kael El? She's not even an alien
Why didn't he just fly away with Zod while he had him headlocked instead of letting him slowly eye laser people?
Why did the Kryptonians insist on terraforming Earth? The oxygen gives them superpowers apparently and all it takes is like 15 minutes of migraines for them to adapt
Why did Zod think it was a good idea to drown Superman in a mountain of CGI skulls as a way to convince him to join their side?
Why did their home planet imploding wipe out the entire civilisation of an intergalactic society? Did every single settlement rely on it for resources or something?
Couldn't they just terraform Mars or something instead of Earth?
Why didn't Superman do anything at all to prevent collateral damage during the fight scenes? Does he have some kind of brain damage preventing him from mapping out short term cause and effect?
Many such questions arise from this film
Listposting is fricking gay which means you are fricking gay, go suck a dick you homo
Typical Snydercuck cope. Now you're going to start calling people Marvel fanboys
>Why did Clark have so much trouble choosing between humans and evil genocide aliens?
He didn’t. He surrendered himself to find more truth to the situation and when he realized Zod was going to kill earth he was already set on stopping them.
>Why did everyone call him Kael El all the time and he just kinda didn't bother correcting them?
He doesn’t care
>Why did Wonderwoman insist on calling him Kael El?
Formality. She’s just pretentious like that.
>Why didn't he just fly away with Zod while he had him headlocked instead of letting him slowly eye laser people?
Those people didn’t die.
>Why did the Kryptonians insist on terraforming Earth?
Humanity was the equivalent of an anthill to the Kryptonians. They literally do not care.
>Why did Zod think it was a good idea to drown Superman in a mountain of CGI skulls as a way to convince him to join their side?
Redpill
>Why did their home planet imploding wipe out the entire civilisation of an intergalactic society? Did every single settlement rely on it for resources or something?
The colonial outposts died long ago, krypton’s society was reduced to their sole planet to which they began to harvest inside out
>Couldn't they just terraform Mars or something instead of Earth?
Why would they go out of their way to do that?
>Why didn't Superman do anything at all to prevent collateral damage during the fight scenes?
Try riding a bike white eating a cake. Also metropolitan collateral damage is also a staple of DC, I don’t know why only MoS is getting called out for this.
it seems like terraforming mars would be less of an obstable for them than terraforming earth given that earth has one of their superpowered last of their kind kin deadset on defending it.
wouldn't it just be more logical to just terraform mars instead as a goodwill gesture to him if it makes no difference to them either way?
What’s one kryptonian against 20? You also gotta remember Zod is doing it out of spite against Jor El
if you only have 20 of your people left them maybe killing off the 21st you found isn't really a great idea.
That’s Clark’s fault for not accepting Zod’s extended hand
I think they would only terraform planets that had optimal conditions for Kryptonians to survive. They had scouts searching the galaxy for those planets. That’s why Earth made sense - Kal El was thriving there.
not only optimal conditions, but also gives you super powers
Ask yourself this anon, if you would nuke africa, while turning the environment into a tailor made eden.....would you?
if the choice was between africa and australia, and one of my superpowered cousins was on africa and said "hey don't do it" i would just choose australia because it's the easier of the two
Yeah but you would still have Atlanteans and actual Black folk in the same system as you while your civilization is at the brink of extiction
>wouldn't it just be more logical to just terraform mars instead as a goodwill gesture to him if it makes no difference to them either way?
There is a line where they say that there needs to be a foundation.
he could of have walked to the dad and grabbed him while grimmacing to act like hes struggling and still hid his powers.
He could have just moved so fast no one saw him. Yeah people would ask questions and it'd be weird, but it would be forgotten.
the Tornado was moriah mills and she was showing pa the tornado trick.
is it better than the original Superman 2?
>It's okay son, I can parry it
I wish we get more Clark Kent content if we do get more capeshit
How did a farmboy beat a genetically engineered super soldier general that was trained from birth?
I love this Zod but he was a jobber
Home field advantage and a full understanding of his powers.
The second part sure, but surely kryptonian soldiers would be pretty well trained to fight in other environments or worlds. I don't really understand how a homefield advantage would work in his favor.
Thats's the point, given time, Zod and the others powers would have surpassed Kal's.
Clark had 20+ years of absorbing the yellow sun’s rays and learned to hone his powers from a young age as a result of developing them early. Give Zod the same amount of time and he wins easily.
Not even that long! It took a few hours for Zod to control his powers and fly! A week at most!
The farmboy having killed many cattles in his time knew he could just talk to Zod's snapped neck.
it's been a while since I saw this movie.
What was the skull thing that got absorbed into supermans brain?
I don't know if it was relevant to the story at all idk
Lucy is symbolic of the triumph of science. It is science that Kryptonians worship, as embodied in their genetics program. For them, "evolution always wins." They look upon science as having given them mastery of their own genetic destiny and entrusted its stewardship to the AI that oversees the future generations of Kryptonians. The "codex" is, for all intents and purposes, their "holy book." When Jor and Lara have Kal "off the program," so to speak, Zod doesn't accuse them of a crime. He accuses them of heresy. Whatever the program's original intentions might have been, over the millennia it has existed, it has evolved into Krypton's religion.
That's part of the reason that Zod and his fellow Kryptonians have zero problem wiping out all life on Earth. We're not just living in squalor. We're part of it - misappropriated biomass that would be far better put to use in resurrecting Krypton.
>"A foundation has to be built on something. Even your father recognized that."
Zod wanted Krypton back, cracked moon and all.
He wasn't afraid of Superman saving him, he wanted the dog to die because otherwise it'd frick all the white women that Kent will eventually date.
I don't remember those movies anon. I was never a big fan
They live in the Bible Belt, people would have chalked surviving a tornado to a miracle, not aliens, like they did 10 minutes earlier in the film.
Jonathan feared cult of personality turning Clarke into a god complex madman!
Bros why did superman just let him die?
Because His Father Feared Cult of Personality deity complex madman or Government spurned Superboy Prime scenario!
Maybe he didn't quite understand the extent of Clarks power, and assumed a tornado could still kill him.
On a moral level, death is a necessary and natural part of life. Superman can't and shouldn't save everyone. Jon Kent also understood that his ultimate mission was imbue Clark with absolute empathy and restraint because he knew Clark's existence would create conflict. That's what the Jon Kent storyline was all about. Teaching Clark to deal with his emotions so that he would be the sort of person capable of constructively wielding his great power.
On a practical level, what was supposed to happen otherwise? Clark runs into the tornado and they all somehow survive without revealing his powers? They skip town, change identities and hope nobody recognizes them? If Clark wasn't able to deal with loss then he would eventually, even if unintionally, wield his powers in an obsessive way and never be able to move on or emotinally mature. Jon's lessons were all built up to that point. Clark has to show ultimate restraint because it's ultimately the right thing to do for the greater good.
>On a practical level, what was supposed to happen otherwise? Clark runs into the tornado and they all somehow survive without revealing his powers?
uh, yes. people would just assume they're really lucky and it's a miracle not that he's a superpowered alien.
No one would buy it and of course it would add up in a big way to all of the other lesser displays of power Clark had shown throughout the years. There were already whispers about his deeds and Jon Kent's death definitively put it to rest. Eventually the government would come knocking, especially after that unsolved unexplained bus miracle which was obviously reported.
what do you mean no one would buy it? people survive crazy shit all the time through dumb luck. even if they didn't buy it, who is going to believe the testimony of 10 randos from kansas in the middle of a tornado? do you realize how many random fricking alien reportings there are in rural america? the government would not "come knocking".
hell, the only reason Pa Kent even doesn't get away from the tornado is because he breaks his ankle inside of the car. Clark could've just ran to get the dog, let him out then run back and it would've looked completely normal.
>kid already did some superhuman feats people are suspecting him off
>this time he does it with a crowd watching
hmm
>a crowd watching
>in the middle of a tornado that nobody can see past
>the crowd of ten hicks in rural kansas claiming that a kid is a superhuman alien based on their testimony from in the middle of a fricking tornado would totally be believed
yeah okay
There 30-50 people and those who were already suspect of him. Easily enough for the government to investigate. Check any real life investigations into extraterrestrials or other freak incidents.
They investigate UFOs because UFOs could be a a foreign country using a spy satellite or other piece of technology. They do not investigate the calls of a random group of rednecks claiming they saw big foot, especially when their testimony is so obviously compromised by being in the middle of a tornado.
>have a situation where a bus went into water and was pushed out
>other reportings of superhuman acts
>now survives a tornado in front of a crowd
>everyone saying the same person
Your denial is beyond reason.
>a bus was pushed into water 15 years ago
>survived being in a tornado that nobody can even see clearly
you're right the evidence is conclusive that he has superpowers. the federal government totally wouldn't just ignore this as a bunch of rural schizos. do you have any idea how many reports of crazy incidents they get in a day?
this is also completely neglecting the fact that clark could've just ran to the car, got the fricking dog and ran back looking completely normal. the only reason Pa Kent dies is because his foot gets broken inside the car.
>this is also completely neglecting the fact that clark could've just ran to the car, got the fricking dog and ran back looking completely normal.
No because Clark wasn't at that level yet. The movie specifically showed that he had imprecise control and he only learned how to really use his abilities as an adult. There's a montage about it. Releasing his father's ankle and returning so fast that he's invisible was not a reasonable feat for teenage Clark.
>No because Clark wasn't at that level yet.
what level? a normal person could have done it. All he had to do was run at a normal speed. the only thing that stopped Pa Kent from doing it was his foot getting broken when he was in the car, Clark's foot wouldn't have gotten broken.
>Releasing his father's ankle and returning so fast that he's invisible was not a reasonable feat for teenage Clark.
I didn't suggest he do that. At first he wants to go save the dog, but for whatever dumbfrick reason Pa Kent stops him and sends him back. If Pa Kent had just let Clark go grab the dog and run back it all would have been fine.
>At first he wants to go save the dog, but for whatever dumbfrick reason Pa Kent stops him and sends him back.
You think a man is going to send his son into danger? I know you're autistic but they weren't aware of Clark's invincibility at that point.
I don't think a man would run into a tornado to save a fricking dog but that's beside the point.
>but they weren't aware of Clark's invincibility at that poin
yes they were
he would be seen running like a normal human, grabbing the dog and running back.
>I don't think a man would run into a tornado to save a fricking dog
Really? That's what you think huh. Explains a lot.
no. I also don't think a superpowered teenager would just watch his dad die when he knows he can help him but again, beside the point.
It isn't as if Jonathan warned Clarke repeatedly from a very young age or anything.
yes because teenagers are well known for always listening to their parents, especially something as dramatic as watching them die in front of them when they know they can save them over a nebulous concept like "the world isn't ready for you yet bro"
Jonathan warned him especially after the school bus fiasco, in fact before the tornado scene they were arguing about Jonathan's concerns!
the fact that they were arguing about it kind of proves clark didn't really agree with jonathan's concerns, and certainly wasn't resolutely bought into them enough to stake his father's life on it
And yet he made a choice! A beautifully displayed thematic moment and perhaps the greatest one ever portrayed in film history; build up and pay off worked flawlessly other than the Filtered ones everyone with an eye for greatness enjoyed it.
When when you take any sort of humanity into the thought process I'm sure it all makes sense to you.
>humanity is watching your dad die in a situation you could easily prevent because uhh... the world isn't ready or something
please go on
The world must be a very confusing and aggravating place when an IQ is as low as yours.
not an argument
It's more a comment really.
irrelevant to the conversation at hand thoughever
That's objectively wrong seeing as it was a comment on your perspective relative to the conversation. But we already know you're dumb.
There are people in the world who would risk their lives to save their dogs. But the Jonathan thing shouldn't have been a thing.
what kind of moron brings their dog to yellowstone
We're addressing JONATHAN KENT'S fears, not whys and wherefores!
He would have been seen.
They're more likely to believe it's an act of God than he's a superhuman.
> On a practical level, what was supposed to happen otherwise? Clark runs into the tornado and they all somehow survive without revealing his powers?
uh… yes
maybe you’ve heard of this “soooper man” thing. fights aliens. doesn’t afraid of anything. saves people. he’s pretty cool
they can't even see anything inside the tornado, you can't even see pa kent die because the storm is so powerful. they wouldn't see shit, they'd just find pa kent and clark alive and be like "wow that's crazy".
even if they did, what the frick are they going to do? suddenly the entire world knows about superman because of the witness testimony of 10 hicks in rural kansas in the middle of a tornado who claim that a man that looks completely ordinary person is a superpowered alien?
>Chuck, my invincible Sneed
Was this edit really necessary?
Why does Snyder filter Indians so much? They're even samegayging their own replies in the thread.
He did not want Clark to ruin his life and be a "savior" for all mankind if he was not ready. He wanted him to decide that on his own terms and not have it thrust on him through a discovery of saving his father and using his power in front of tens of witnesses. He loved his son would rather die and was protect Clark by allowing him the choice of a normal life if that is what Clark wanted.
I was so happy when I found a Faora action figure at a local chain (Marc's) for 5$ a few years ago. I had to order a Zod.
For only $5? God damn you lucky bastard, that is a steal. I'd be willing to pay at least $50 for an action figure of Faora. She was a great addition to Man of Steel, I heard she originally audition for Wonder Woman but Warner execs were set on Gal Gadot, so she was recommended to audition for Faora instead.
I wish she would have gotten the WW role. Gal isn't aggressive like I imagine WW to be. Still so memorable as Faora. The figure is cool but the face isn't quite right. Still very pleased to have it.
Why Zack Snyder never call Traeu for his other movies? We all know he has a fondness for German actors. He calls the Sucker Punch girls all the time. Why not Traue?
Because Snyder is a gay man who doesn't like attractive women.
Good point. He died to give his son freedom of choice instead of having a sacrificial destiny thrust upon him.
>Clark, don't use your gifts for good or to help anybody. Be a wandering homeless man, revealing your power to punish a random trucker who is rude to a waitress then wandering off again. Anyway, I'm off to die in this easily preventable situation so you can grow up without any kind of father figure to help guide you. Bye!
people actually defend this shit
Cinemaphile really has the shittiest memes.
People doesnt seem to realize that Papa Kent was suicidal and wanted to die to free himself from Clark. He found the perfect opportunity there
>Zod and Superman have already killed thousands of people with their ridiculous anime fight
>NOOOOOOOO ZOD DON'T LASER THAT FAMILY! I HAVE TO KILL YOU NOW! ACK! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Zod. Superman was powerless to stop him.
definitely couldn't save him, he had to stand there and let the tornado take him away
why can't DC make good movies?
it is so fricking rare and they have the same arsenal of capeshit but somehow for every good movie they have a least 5 bad ones.
Bale's batman movies were the only ones that were good in a row
I like Lynda Carter but wtf is up with her waist and hips?
Early to mid 20th century trend. I don't know why they were into it. Same thing with sucking in their guts all the time when taking pictures topless or in bathing suits. Weird to us but it just the thing back then.
Makes sense. I wonder what should would look like without that nonsense
Man of Steel was good.
You're a filtered Mong because you were never a comic fan of the series! Its okay, Normie, go back to whatever distracted you.
good morning, sir!
Room Temperature IQ, CHECK!!!
Listen Mong, imagine you find an Aliens and that kid day after day becomes powerful than the day before, AND, you're A SIMPLE bible belt farmer!
This Jonathan Kent's FEARS! Simple As!
TDKR is probably worse than half the DCEU
in a normal Superman movie, they would do the thing where he doubts himself at first and doesn't know if he wants to use his powers, then he sees his father in mortal danger and decides he wants to use his powers to help people in need. Instead we got this moronic Snyderslop that only pajeets and sociopaths enjoy.
my invincible son who can run faster than the blink of an eye
Clark destroys a fricking city later on,the cope of muh identity is dumb
Everything about this movie is so astronomically stupid. Do you remember those early snydergay threads where fans were unironically trying to argue that he didn't destroy the city, it was "actually an open area downtown with little to no commercial buildings"? It was bizzare cope.
You people are idiots!
Did literally said I Will Kill These People!
He was already almost as Strong as Clarke! Clarke flew him into space and Did brought them back down! Room Temperature IQ st al!!!!
Hello, ESL.
Hello auto correct
It's autocorrect, Ahmed.
Easily one of the dumbest scenes I have ever seen in my life. Letting your dad die because the world "isn't ready" for superman, is about the most unsuperman thing anyone could ever think of.
You're dumb! Easily the dumbest of the dimwitted!
This is correct. The only viable explanation is that Johnathan Kent himself is a meta human who gets power from tornadoes. He knew this would be his chance to fake his death by ‘disappearing’ and stop being raped nightly by Martian Manhunter.
>the S is a symbol in the Kryptonian language and not just the first letter of Superman
lol, lmao even. I don't care if that came from a comic, that is embarrassing to include in a movie
Go be gay somewhere else!