"Studios care too much about plot"

Imagine giving studios even this much credit

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    How is wrong exactly? Plot obsession is for soys

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Correct, but some hack uses this as an excuse for lack of consistency.
      You can leave a lot implied or just go for something surreal but you have to be consistent in tone and in-universe logic.
      What Dolan said is more something hacks use as an excuse to do not give a frick.
      Also Oppenheimers balls.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You've watched too much Mauler

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh pretty colors

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree when "plot" is thought of in a Robert McKee kind of way, where plot points have to happen by a certain page, the protagonist has to change at the end, most of that is horse shit and a lot of studio execs do think this way.

      How long until studios start selling artslop where nothing ever happens?

      artslop where nothing ever happens
      But also yeah I don't want this either.
      The story doesn't have to be a linear hero's journey but it needs to be eventful and engaging.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      what's the problem? this anon is right

      He’s right. He’s not saying plot doesn’t matter at all, but the way it’s told visually is gonna be more critical. All these gays are seething ITT but the MCU is a good example of this. Solid scripts in terms of structure and what not, hitting all the beats that you’re taught in middle school English class, but totally uninspired cinematically. Although you all probably eat that slop up I bet.

      look at the greatest films of all time, they overwhelmingly consist of masterfully made movies, rather than the ones with the greatest plots, if that were true than great plot movies that aren't really that well made like fight club would be in contention (its still a great movie it's just not the best)

      I mean, look at 2001: A space odyssey, it's widely hailed as a top film, and it's almost all sensory, the plot is minimal at best

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I legitimately have no idea how to digest movies like this. Is the plot SUPPOSED to make no fricking sense?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >most cinematically literate plotgay

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't even know what you just said, it's just a buzzword souffle.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's an alien computer slab sent to uplift the protohumans like Moon Watcher to sentience. There are several, one buried in the moon that sends a signal when it is uncovered proving mankind has left Earth, TMA-1 (tycho magnetic anomaly). TMA-2 was around Jupiter and the Discovery was sent to it. Hal was given conflicting orders about secrecy and went insane. The TMA copied that guys conciousness. It is not a complicated movie at all and you are really fricking stupid for using it as an example. TENET was shit. TDKR was shit. I hope his new movie isn't shit but probably will be. You're likely just a fricking advertising bot anyway.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's an alien computer slab sent to uplift the protohumans like Moon Watcher to sentience. There are several, one buried in the moon that sends a signal when it is uncovered proving mankind has left Earth, TMA-1 (tycho magnetic anomaly). TMA-2 was around Jupiter and the Discovery was sent to it. Hal was given conflicting orders about secrecy and went insane. The TMA copied that guys conciousness.

            How in the flying frick did you get ANY of this? What was the deal with the weird alternate dimension and the giant baby in space at the very end?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              The starchild was the personality construct of Bowman? I can't remember the guys name. It was experiencing a rebirth in very unsubtle imagery.
              I read the books to 3001.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The starchild was the personality construct of Bowman?

                what

                >It was experiencing a rebirth in very unsubtle imagery.

                I...what? This isn't English. What the hell do you mean "personality construct" and "experiencing a rebirth"?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                He read the novelization of the movie and is just repeating that.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      A movie is gesamtkunstwerk

      Plot Is an important part of that.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish they spent time on the plot. We all know after watching Star Wars.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Linear exposition gays eternally btfo

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    How long until studios start selling artslop where nothing ever happens?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      In 20 years. By then we'll have moved on to something else.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Japan is way ahead of you

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mean shōnen?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They already did that in the 70s when all the film school nerds were doing shitty boring flicks inspired by Bergman, Fellini and other European hacks. Thankfully the 80s came along.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    he isn't wrong. current superhero movies are just exposition with occasional action. there is never anything visually interesting about how they are shot. nolan's batman movies are exceptions obviously

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This would be a good point if his characters were any good. Can’t wait to see a bland, grey, historically inaccurate melodrama where you can’t even hear the dialogue. Glad people are waking up to how much of a hack he is, everyone seems to be way more excited about a fricking barbie movie of all things

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >viewing films as plot and not an 'audiovisual experience"
      that's basically how normies view movies because they don't understand anything about filmmaking or film as an artform. they literally think the actors are the ones making the movie

      What a pretentious fricking homosexual.

      Film is a storytelling medium. Plot is critical part of that.

      How does Nolan manage to make pretentious losers here seethe every single time?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >films NEVER had plot

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone seems to be way more excited about a fricking barbie movie of all things
      You're telling me people are more interested in a movie based on one of the most famous toy brands ever vs a movie based on some boring old historical figure? No way! Fricking moron.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't sign your posts

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >viewing films as plot and not an 'audiovisual experience"
    that's basically how normies view movies because they don't understand anything about filmmaking or film as an artform. they literally think the actors are the ones making the movie

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What a pretentious fricking homosexual.

    Film is a storytelling medium. Plot is critical part of that.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Film is a storytelling medium.
      It's also a visual medium, little bro.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not. It's a visual medium.

      If you want plot go watch TV.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      yikes

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you want pretty fricking pictures, then look at an image gallery you stupid c**t. The plot stays. Without it, a film has no backbone.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Found the moron who has never watched a film before 1980. Return to Cinemaphile you asinine

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You mean like psycho, or the birds, maybe even the 5000 fingers of dr.T?

        Speaks volumes that dr.Suess's one movie has more internal consistency than anything Nolan has done in 20 years. Maybe he should consider changing his name to "Notalent".

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >TCM normie shit
          You're going to outdo everyone be careful! Also if you like Hitchwiener you should understand how important visual storytelling is.
          Fricking moron

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    So that explains why TENИƎT was an incoherent mess.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    and the plot is still shit

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >audiovisual
    >makes movies with terrible audio mixing
    >makes movies with ridiculous visuals that are still made fun of today

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even one of the things he’s most praised on, action sequences, really aren’t all that good half the time. The fighting in dark knight rises looked horrible, batman and banes fists were miles away from eachother

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        In all fairness to Nolan, he didn't seem to give much of a shit about TDKR, but action sequences in Inception and Tener are also quite sterile.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    He’s right. He’s not saying plot doesn’t matter at all, but the way it’s told visually is gonna be more critical. All these gays are seething ITT but the MCU is a good example of this. Solid scripts in terms of structure and what not, hitting all the beats that you’re taught in middle school English class, but totally uninspired cinematically. Although you all probably eat that slop up I bet.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the MCU is a good example of this.

      Just shut the frick up you moronic child. You have no credibility.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >MCU
        >Solid scripts in terms of structure
        >hitting all the beats

        The absolute state of the average media consoomer

        He's not wrong. MCU is a slightly better written of Michael Bay Transformers movies.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >MCU
      >Solid scripts in terms of structure
      >hitting all the beats

      The absolute state of the average media consoomer

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >man who can't write a coherent plot takes opportunity to criticise people who care about that sort of thing

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plotgays BTFO forever by their idol

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick is everyone so angry? He didn't say plot was bad but that it shouldn't be the only priority making a movie, how is that a bad thing? Most of movies Cinemaphile raves about follow that pattern. Why is everyone seething?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is everyone seething?
      You're on the number one goyslop enjoyer board.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is everyone seething?
      boredom

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because Nolan said it. If anyone else said it, Cinemaphile would be praising them. But because Cinemaphile is jealous and butthurt over Nolan, they view every comment he says as an attack on them.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why the frick is everyone so angry?
      it's the vaxx, a lot of fa/tv/irgins got the jab and are irrationally angry all the time
      the schizo boards are the chillest, pol and x for once

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pol
        >chill

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          sperging about pol isn’t chill

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    My dearest Black person in christ, your fricking tragic arse rapingly obnoxious audio mixing is not a place you should be lecturing others from.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    based. if you want a story, read a fricking book

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      this. true kino is gas station CCTV footage where nothing happens

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically better than whatever your top 10 is

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Studios care too much about plot
    >Here is your audiovisual experience bro

    Nolan has been always been an autistic hack

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >my audiovisual experience can't carry my terrible plots
    >it's the executives faults

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's right, and Cameron has the same mindset. It's more important to create an experience, plot is secondary

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone who understands film does. It's the vidyatards and MCU virgins who overthink plot

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Plebs are the ones who want big explosions and not engaging plot
        GO back to watching Michael Bay movies

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          AmbuLAnce is better than your midwit top 5

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >big explosions and not engaging plot
          so, the mcu?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Literally it's only television viewers and fans of serialized franchises like Marvel or manga that obsess over plot. They're the ones that look over every detail searching for plotholes because the media they interact with is linear. It's not about character development, mood, tone, visual design or poetic imagery. They're cobbled together with plot points and then the characters fill in the gaps with fight scenes or witty humor. The actual great works of cinema and literature however have loose plots. It's not about WHAT happens, it's about HOW the human beings respond to those circumstances. That is what separates art from entertainment.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based as frick

      In Inception he never bothers explaining how the dream machines work, and in Tenet Nolan dropped all pretenses and literally just tells the audience "don't try to understand it, feel it". When he talks about plot not being the focus he means his scripts will often strain credulity, take shortcuts, or often just leaves shit unexplained and you're supposed to just roll with it

      >In Inception he never bothers explaining how the dream machines work
      Kys midwit

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >guy who made Tenet complaining about plot

    fricking hilarious

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's not wrong. Just look at MCU films, they only care about what is happening, not how it's presented. Which is ironic considering the big advantage comic books have over novels is that it's a visual medium.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"muh audiovisual"
    >gets absolutely btfo by movies about blue cat people who mindfrick each other with their hair

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      stop trying to turn avachads against nolan, disney

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Character driven > Story driven

    Thats why TV is better medium generally since its easier to go character driven in television than in film since you have more time to explore characters in depth. Basically good well written characters with good cast and you won.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jes right for what he does. Inception breaks several of its own rules and really doesn't make sense when you think about it, but everyone loves it.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is also true of at least 90% of people that watch movies. They think as long as they read all the subtitles in between looking at their phones and remember what happened that they experienced a movie.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that fricking thread like a week ago with zoomers talking about speeding up everything they watch so they can "consume" it faster

      I still have nightmares

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >being mindbroken by a shitty bait thread over a week later
        Fricking hell just have a nice day

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >have a nice day because someone else is an annoying homosexual

          I check under my bed every night for ADHD zoomers

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    And yet he made The Dark Knight the blandest shit ever commit to film

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >greatest films ever have great plots
    Lies. Taxi Driver barely has a plot an it's one of the greatest movies ever made. Same with movies like The Thing, or The Shining.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The thing has a great plot what the frick are you on about
      Taxi driver is a 5/10 movie

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Please tell me more about your arbitrary snowflake definition of "plot". How did you come up with it anon?

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    promo for Nolan juuuuuuust in time for his next movie!

    Who could be behind this!

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would respect his opinion if he wasn't Christopher Nolan, the biggest plotgay in existence.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    wtf is this moron saying exactly the opposite is true ever since affordable cgi

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This frickface bong is literally doing israeli MIC propaganda and you couldn’t even listening anything worth a frick in his godawful piss filter movies of the last decade. He doesn’t get to tell people how to make films

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Storygays btfo. Read a book.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    But he makes movies that emphasize plot. Plot matters in movies that are about plot, and characters matter in movies that are about characters. You can't cower behind "IT'S AN AUDIOVISUAL EXPERIENCE, BRO."

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's just jacking over MUH THEATER EXPERIENCE in that article. That's all he does shill the theater with overpriced everything.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    12 angry men

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    funny coming from the guy who made TDK, who birthed an entire generation of edgy plot-oriented dark fanboys

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      ...people liked the plot in TDK? I thought everyone just really liked Heath's version of the Joker.

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    most movies have shit audio balancing even in theatres

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The funny and ironic thing about this is Nolan's films are VERY Plot Driven and his characters often resemble souless husks that serve the plot as it drives the characters to their destination forward.

    His films are often criticized for being very plot driven based on grand spectacle with tons of expository dialogue and one dimensional characters.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This wtf. Inception and Tenet are fricking stacked with verbal exposition about how their gimmicky ideas work.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Tenet
        >any exposition at all

        Tenet doesn't explain diddly doodle dick and its why the movie frustrated so many people. It doesn't make sense.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Okay it's been a minute since I saw it but I remember way too many scenes of just 2+ people talking. Like when that woman is demonstrating with the gun. Not a great audiovisual experience.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Tenet
            >any exposition at all

            Tenet doesn't explain diddly doodle dick and its why the movie frustrated so many people. It doesn't make sense.

            That gun sequence is amazing because it's both

            1) A terrible scene where the entire movie grinds to a halt for an one scene character to deliver exposition directly to the audience
            2) Doesn't actually help explain the mechanism and doesn't match how it works later in the story

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              That and the scene with all the soldiers practicing reverse martial arts always gets me.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        In Inception he never bothers explaining how the dream machines work, and in Tenet Nolan dropped all pretenses and literally just tells the audience "don't try to understand it, feel it". When he talks about plot not being the focus he means his scripts will often strain credulity, take shortcuts, or often just leaves shit unexplained and you're supposed to just roll with it

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >never brother to explain
          it's fiction dumdum, use your imagination

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Movies are 'Audiovisual Experience'
      He is god damn right. Anyone who disagrees doesn't understand how human works. You may forget about everything about X but you will never forget how X made you feel. What you feel what really stays with you.

      I watched this movie at the cinema and never watch it again. Forgot everything about it, even what joker is saying here but I never forgot the feeling that I felt after 3:20. Soundtrack is a big reason for it. Joker being upside with the camera is just icing on the cake.

      Kek. Duality of men.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow a meme phrase you read here. What an original comment

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who hurt you?

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Movies are 'Audiovisual Experience'
    He is god damn right. Anyone who disagrees doesn't understand how human works. You may forget about everything about X but you will never forget how X made you feel. What you feel what really stays with you.

    I watched this movie at the cinema and never watch it again. Forgot everything about it, even what joker is saying here but I never forgot the feeling that I felt after 3:20. Soundtrack is a big reason for it. Joker being upside with the camera is just icing on the cake.

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Top Gun 2 was a better audiovisual experience than Dunkirk AND had a better plot AND was thoroughly unpretentious. What an obnoxious homosexual he is.

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to make a memorable audio visual experience it at least has to have soul. Nolan is a soulless hack..craftsman at best…not an artist. He should give plots a try. His films are basically Hans Zimmerman visual aids

  43. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    based nolan, keep them seething about not being able to hear the dialogue

  44. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think capeshit is a great example of plot...

  45. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Nolan talking about audio
    Kek.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes? the audio in his films are a big part of why they're as well received as they are

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's some good jingles for sure, but the actual audio quality is utter trash.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          not really, try to watch it on blu-ray instead of a YIFY rip

  46. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    But he's an extraordinarily dull director. Zero memorable sequences (apart from the two or three he stole from elsewhere).

  47. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's what you get when you let a bunch of stunted manchild nerds with no taste run Hollywood. he as his flaws but Nolan is the last of the real ors.

  48. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I literally said this yesterday in the "how would you fix the DC universe" thread. Just give people superman action with all the fancy special effects they have these days; thats what people want to see.

  49. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely fricking based. Plautists need to be skinned alive.

  50. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hack fraud

  51. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based and avatarpilled, films are a visual medium, visuals, aesthetics, vibes, characters and emotions should have top priority, midwit plotgays need to rope

  52. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >movies aren't about plot

  53. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This homie is literally just Michael Bay except he can't direct action sequences to save his life.

  54. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plot is mostly irrelevant. Only obsessive brand-name-fans get interested in it.
    Films are better just focusing on themes and visuals.

  55. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    james cameron said the same thing last year

  56. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Studios care too much about plot
    Since fricking when? They're ready to give AI the reigns on writing scripts.

  57. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  58. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    this is why Dunkirk is his best film

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dunkirk in IMAX is his best movie, otherwise it's Memento which ironically is super reliant on plot

  59. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both are important. Anyone saying otherwise is moronic and a slave to base emotion and manipulation.

  60. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >“Whether for budgetary reasons or reasons of control, studios now look at a screenplay as a series of events and say, ‘This is the essence of what the film is.’ And that’s completely at odds with how cinema developed, right from the Lumière brothers’ train pulling into the station, as a pure audiovisual experience,” Nolan said. “But it’s a very popular fallacy — sometimes with critics as well, quite frankly — that all that matters is the scale of the story being told.”

    >“People will tell you that the success of ‘Star Wars’ had nothing to do with its visual effects, and it was all down to its great story,” Nolan continued. “But, I mean, clearly that’s not the case. It is indeed a great story, but it’s also an incredible visual and aural experience. So this willful denial of what movies actually are has set in. People will say, ‘Why would you have to see something like “Aftersun” on the big screen?’ But of course you have to. It also plays wonderfully on TV, but that’s not the point.”

  61. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's why the plot of his dark knight movies was shit, makes sens. bravo nolan

  62. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish Raimi would direct a Batman movie. Maybe he could put a horror vibe to it like in Arkham Asylum.

  63. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    So how does this explain how basically no movie has stood out from the pack since 2010 or so? Atleast not in a good way.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fury Road was the best linear plot 80's-esque movie in a generation, if not longer.

  64. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They probably care about the plot hitting some beats such action scenes at specific points and scenes with lines they can put in the trailer. Basically there's a certain formula to what will get and keep an audience's attention.

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