Glad this thread was made, now we can discuss the show.
I'll start. I really liked the episode where Kendall went from being upbeat, happy and excited for the future, to a dull, depressed loser looking at nothing for 2 full minutes.
i'm in recovery and used to be obsessed with working at a prestigious company and being success-driven. Kendall resonated so fricking much with me as i'm sure he did for a lot of men. the revelation about him being cucked at the end was the cherry on the top and an incredibly deep pain that only so many men/people experience when their love/gf/wife fricks them over
the way Shiv acted at the end and the revelation of her and Kendall's wife's infidelity and liberal craziness was so fricking on-point and a deeply fair portrayal of the contemporary woman--especially in the traditional man's world of business and politics.
So why did Ewan back Kendall?
representation of men and their fidelity/loyalty i m o
Roman isn't saying his wife cheated and had the baby. He's saying Rava was an artificial insemination and making it seem like Kendall got fully cucked. The adoption and artificial insemination make it clear Kendall was shooting blanks, furthering his insecurity.
Glad this thread was made, now we can discuss the show.
I'll start. I really liked the episode where Kendall went from being upbeat, happy and excited for the future, to a dull, depressed loser looking at nothing for 2 full minutes.
Ewan is a serious person, he was a Logan loyalist. he didn't agree how he ran things, but he respected the fact he built the empire and therefore has the right of running things as he wishes. Kendall would be the natural successor, from that point of view, because he's Logan's son. it's ironic that all the Logan loyalists voted for Ken (they voted against him in the vote of no confidence), and the ones that got their board seat because of Kendall's ill-advised attempts of killing his father all voted against him: Sandy, Sandi and Shiv. he would have lucked into the position if he had just respected his father and let things run its natural course, but no, he always has to throw tantrums when things don't go his way.
>but no, he always has to throw tantrums when things don't go his way.
thats my kenny
logan should have been harder on his kids, not by beating them roman style but by cutting them off the same way ewan did with greg's mom
>if he had just respected his father
thats the opposite of what logan wanted, he would've never given the position so easily. he wanted ken to "kill" him and then become the true successor because thats exactly how he raised his kids especially kendall
Logan wanted him to earn the position. he gave it to him, and then took it away, because Kendall screwed it. He wanted Kendall (and the others) to be a serious person, not a tantrum thrower manchild.
Idk about Roman losing. Remember in S4E1 he said something to the affect of "why don't we just take our money and enjoy it and buy snowmobiles and sushi?" when the sibs were discussing buying PGN? You can see in the last shot of Roman he lets loose a tiny smile as he sips his martini. He gets all the sushi and snowmobiles he ever wanted now, he wouldn't have been cut out to be CEO and he knows it.
Rome hates Mattson and thinks he killed Logan, he should've been way more upset about losing the company to him, but this show has never been big on continuity like that
Tom always did the job. Tom always learned. Tom always handled every situation. Tom even worked while the siblings wasted their time attending Logan's funeral. If Logan knew Tom worked through his funeral, he'd respect him
Tom was ready to go to prison for shit that his predecessor and other people did. Kendall couldn't even call 911 when that kid died in the car Kendall was driving.
Tom winning made sense, but it would've been more enjoyable if it was because he fricked Kendall and the siblings over and not because Shiv was being a petty c**t again
Yeah, Tom end would be fine if it was set up better
He fricked Shiv so bad in S3 finale and cares so little about her afterwards that in S4 she is dragging herself to him just to barely try to stay relevant. lol
Shiv lost the worst of all: from kingmaker of politicians to "trophy" wife.
Her fall could have been done better
Being a trophy wife (who has the CEO's ear) is honestly more than she deserves, as it's a role she's actually appropriate for given her lack of experience
>Tom end would be fine if it was set up better
You mean like if they made it so obvious it wasn't fun anymore?
Hollywood is filled with lefty nihilists. They love subverting expectations. A big hit series is overanalyized on the internet. The combination of those two impulses creates a back and forth dance between the series and its audience the always ends in dissatisfaction because the only conclusion ends up being the least popular fan theory in order to fulfill subversion.
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No, as they made it a more intricate chain of events rather than just as a result.of Shiv seething
That's pretty gay but I know what you mean. This obsession with the twists and turns of an intricate plot has always sort of struck me as missing the point in a particularly bugman way. "Oh wow I was so SURPRISED by that!" is like on the same level of cooming over 600 million dollars worth of special effects. It's depressingly midwit.
But then again, I think your interpretation is false... we could all see Roman's breakdown coming from a mile away and yet it happened anyway. I think the point is just that the meaningless nihilistic cycle will recur forever without ever coming to anything, not that the writers wanted to le subvert expectations.
He fricked Shiv so bad in S3 finale and cares so little about her afterwards that in S4 she is dragging herself to him just to barely try to stay relevant. lol
Shiv lost the worst of all: from kingmaker of politicians to "trophy" wife.
Honestly the big boy's shows I have watched didn't have any sort of remarkable ost but mostly just grabbed songs for whenever they needed them.
Like Mad Men, Sopranos, I Clavdivs, etc...
Any recommendations?
Honestly the big boy's shows I have watched didn't have any sort of remarkable ost but mostly just grabbed songs for whenever they needed them.
Like Mad Men, Sopranos, I Clavdivs, etc...
Any recommendations?
Twin Peaks blows everything else out of the water. The Prisoner's soundtrack is also great. The X-Files too, actually. Don't let anyone tell you The Leftovers has a great OST; it's the worst part of the show.
Tom winning made sense, but it would've been more enjoyable if it was because he fricked Kendall and the siblings over and not because Shiv was being a petty c**t again
>Shiv was being a petty c**t again
That felt so out of left field. After an entire series fighting each other for the position, Rome and Shiv finally support Kendall, then at the 11th hour she turns around and goes "aw yeah nah you can't have it ay"
>That felt so out of left field
did you watch a different show because that "twist" was so well communicated and laid out throughout it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone
all the lady Macbeth references, all the scorpion and the frog fable references
I guess it was the execution of it that felt cheap. Of course the entire series was centered around how Logan played everyone against each other, all his children vying for his affection and a chance at getting some of his power. It's more the scenes directly leading up to it that cheapened the "twist"
it made sense with rome's development that she disappeared
marcia vanishing for increasingly large periods of time was more glaring, also the fat guy from severance never appearing again after the trainee program
Hiam Abbass left to film an Arab movie, Zack Cherry was doing Severance shit I assume. However, Roman's little management training stint was a sideplot small enough to be ignored like the majority of Succession sideplots. It is also within character for Roman to forget about him when Cruises drama hit and Logan started to rely on him more. It was always meant as a consolation prize but then Season 3 had Roman believe he was a serious contender again for CEO, not manager of parks.
Easy to forget that shiv was pretty qt in the first season.
Then she briefly became a slampig before completing her transformation into a bloated slug.
To me, she was super cute in Episode 3. Season 1 Shiv was when the writers had her be a coy little cheater who made begging eyes at Kendall to let her in, and cried for forgiveness from Tom, maybe even a little homely as she was in pajamas more than once and used to wear cheaper clothes.
Then Season 2 hit and they decided to make her a smirky evil cartoon dressed in pale suits, severe bob cut, and very egotistical. She used to be quite adorable to me even if she was b***hy. The b***hyness was charming with her little sister energy.
I genuinely believe that the waiter was gonna kidnap Kendall after he was in a lucid enough state.
What Ken doesn't realize is that deer was a blessing in disguise.
That's fricked up.
But this also just furthermore proves that Kendall is probably Logan's favorite, I can't see him taking any of the other sibs there and doing the same thing.
I was worried he might try to rape Kendall after drugging him. I doubt he had the conviction to actually hold him hostage even if the Roys humiliated him. >Logan asks Ken if he's a queer over the dead waiter >you now remember Cousin Greg slept over at the waiter's house
What would he get out of raping him?
I only brought this up cause I just rewatched the episode, and the guy was talking about taking Ken to his house and keeping him there after Kendall's stupid ass started talking about how rich he was.
Also, something interesting to note is how both Roman and Kendall both had major frickups in that episode; but Roman's didn't result in any casualties, while Kendall's did.
Humiliating him after Logan humiliated him. It's a weak suggestion anyways, and he was on ket and just saying shit. >Also, something interesting to note is how both Roman and Kendall both had major frickups in that episode; but Roman's didn't result in any casualties, while Kendall's did.
Roman's frickup happened under his father's 'playground' of Waystar, he was assigned a throwaway job to keep him occupied. Meanwhile, Kendall strayed from that playground, so caught up in the high of finally escaping that it lead to a horrible crime, that forced him back into that fake world Logan has built for them, where his only use is being daddy's robot. >He built you a playground, and you think it's a whole world
That's fricked up.
But this also just furthermore proves that Kendall is probably Logan's favorite, I can't see him taking any of the other sibs there and doing the same thing.
Kendall is definitely his favorite. People point to Shiv but she is a woman and he clearly does not take her serious (and for good reason)
Kendall, he challenges constantly, he wants to see him grow some business cajones
Wait, was the reason Logan was being so affectionate and protective of Kendall in S2, him experiencing something similar with Rose's death? I mean of course circumstances are different and Ken was obviously in a fragile state then, but I feel like that could've played a part in it.
>Kendall, he challenges constantly, he wants to see him grow some business cajones
Well, he failed.
Kendall subconsciously does everything knowing that he has a safety net to fall back on, the safety net being Logan of course. Nothing he does actually holds up unfortunately.
That thing Logan said about how he'd clean up his shit whenever things went awry, that was his mistake. Kendall never faced any true real life consequences.
Kek is this OC? Cause if so it's great
You know, most would say that Shinji as Kendall is the logical choice, but to me he's obviously Rei and Asuka is Shiv
the baguette and bagel talk was such a frick up I didn't even conceive greg was trying to one up tom there, he just perfectly played his punching bag role, but from the interviews he was genuinely trying to look good and emancipate
A very long time. Mattson wants the appearance of stability and legacy (longtime Waystar executive + sort of family) and somebody willing to eat a lot of shit and be the face of Mattson gutting the company. Tom fits the bill perfectly and there's no chance of finding anyone else like him.
1. If Shiv/Tom get divorced, it will be a messy as frick divorce especially if Shiv threatens to kill their unborn baby/take full custody of the kid. Mattson might fire Tom just to avoid the media trainwreck (since Shiv's whoring would be tabloid fodder) and because he will see his chance to finally frick Shiv.
2.If they stay together, eventually Mattson will make good on his threat to frick Shiv and Tom will either ragequit or Shiv will refuse and Tom gets fired that way; at which point Tom/Shiv will either break up because Tom is pissed Shiv didn't do it to save Tom's job or try and destroy Mattson.
3. Mattson uses Tom to purge ATN of all right wing conservativism then fires him over some petty bullshit or just fires him because he can, so Mattson can turn the channel into MSNBC-lite. And for added spite and malice, offers the CEO then to Shiv just to rub salt into Tom's wounds.
A very long time. Mattson wants the appearance of stability and legacy (longtime Waystar executive + sort of family) and somebody willing to eat a lot of shit and be the face of Mattson gutting the company. Tom fits the bill perfectly and there's no chance of finding anyone else like him.
>A very long time
what this guy said
big part of Mattson getting keen on Tom was when he learned Tom didn't attend Logan's funeral because he was "busy with work"
also Tom's soft pitch to Mattson was top notch. the guy is smart, he's competent and he's not afraid of doing the dirty work
also I love how Shiv is on the same route as her mother - wife to a powerful CEO, unable to pursue her own ambitions, unable to build a loving home for her child
When a show ends, it is sad. All shows will end one day. In this case, it is Succession that has done so. Succession was on air for 4 seasons, but no more.
>Succession was on air for 4 seasons, but no more.
fricking fraudulent practice they all wanted 5 seasons but hbo wanted to cut everything and switch to max
hard to believe when theres even more cut content than before and several actors stated shock at there only being 4 seasons and the promotional material advertising it as the final season only started in 2023 and episodes were being edited 7 days before they aired
Threadly reminder that he had continually said no more than 5 seasons which is code for 5 seasons. He's lying now to save face for himself and HBO
>Succession was on air for 4 seasons, but no more.
fricking fraudulent practice they all wanted 5 seasons but hbo wanted to cut everything and switch to max
hard to believe when theres even more cut content than before and several actors stated shock at there only being 4 seasons and the promotional material advertising it as the final season only started in 2023 and episodes were being edited 7 days before they aired
Turned ATN into the most profitable sector of the company, knew his place, was willing to eat endless shit for his bosses, actually did his job and did it well.
serious people take what they do seriously. they are mature and act rationally, not emotionally. a serious person has a sense of dignity and self-respect. Tom is not one, he played boar on the floor and said yes to being a cuck.
He isn’t but Matsson is. I don’t get why people are retconning that Tom is competent. He was literally doing coke on election night and fumbling his way through every business conversation with Logan/Matsson this season until the very last dinner scene where he succinctly describes his ability to gobble shit for big wigs
Tom isn't a spoiled trust fund kid. Sure he's a striver social climber psuedo Wasp homosexual but he actually has an aroma of confidence, however faint. None of the other kids were willing to put the work in or had any actual business sense, because they had all grown up too sheltered. They didn't want the company to succeed, they weren't pirates, it was all for their own ego. Tom is admittedly a huge step down from Logan but at least he's in the same general genus of "business guy." None of the other kids are business people at all.
Let's not pretend that Conor is deeply fricked up in his own way. Maybe the least attached to reality. We see him so rarely and he's so delusional that the tragedy of his life seldom sinks in.
>any inconvenience, minor or major, happens >immediately resorts to alcohol, coke, weed, drugs in general, just does every type of substance abuse >then cries when he fricks up again due to being high
hes b***hmade. no other character does this.
Why is succession so lacking in extra content? Are they insecure?
I wanna see some frickin uh tablereads, commentaries, the whole shebang. Oh and I want a blooper reel along with the deleted scenes.
Why can't we have that?
They put out the script books after each season, which has a ton of extra scenes cut from the episodes plus stage direction notes to explain to the actors what the frick is going on in their heads in certain scenes.
Ok but I want moar
Bloopers, deleted scenes, tablereads, as I said
I'll pay good money for it I dont give a frick
Its ez money, i don't understand why they haven't made this a thing yet
they do a gay little solipsistic "run down" after each episode and they even have an accompanying podcast. Honestly it's way too much for what the show is, imo
Tom was in Pride and Prejudice.
The depressing thing about Succession's casting is that the people's former acting work informs their character. Like Wambsgans must have been a Mr. Darcy type character to Shiv in the 90s. Conor was in Ferris Bueller, Rome was in Home Alone, or at least close to it (symbolic of his neglectful youth).
All these ugly fading stars... it's realistic, but unpleasant.
I rewatched season 2 and it just made me angrier at Greg for betraying Tom in the final episode. As much as people like to say Tom "abuses" Greg, Tom endured some unnecessary humiliation in the boar-on-the-floor episode just for Greg's sake.
Just finished the last episode. I took a long break when Matsson got more and more screentime. Shiv doing this would've made sense and been acceptable if she had stated "My kid will have the CEO for a father" or some other selfish reason but not an emotional breakdown. I can't respect this ending. I wanted Tom to be a winner, but not without Shiv also getting humiliated in the process.
Roman is charming in his own way and Gerri is very straightforward. she meant it. there was no reason for Gerri not to be supportive when Logan died, unless she was hurt. the "opportunistic move" in that moment was to pretend nothing had happened that ruined their relationship and continue with their plan, aim for the top job.
The ending is dogshit. It manages to say absolutely nothing about it’s characters for a subversive twist shit out in the final episode. If they wanted to write a story about Kendall being an incompetent spoiled brat, they should write that fricking story. Have him tank the company through the fake living plus numbers, have him lose through his own failure. Shiv’s eleventh hour betrayal makes no fricking sense from a story telling perspective. This moment is supposed to be the culmination of your shows themes and messages. Was this whole journey really about shiv’s giant freckles ass needing to be tamed by big wambsgans wiener? There’s no closure on anything else.
Succession is literally R*ddit: The Show. It’s a show that purports to be smart while saying nothing thematically, developing none of its characters (who all talk in the same reference-laden cadence despite being dumb trust-fund babies btw), and completely failing to commit to any vision at all. The Redditor has been conditioned, because of people even dumber than him, to view favorably a show where “nothing happens.” Unfortunately, this isn’t just a low-IQ reading of Succession; nothing actually happens in this show. Superficially, none of the characters evolve. The dull repetition of the plot and human drama does nothing to further a thematic message about these people or their lifestyles. Season 1 felt like it knew its place: it was a pitifully dumbed-down idea of what high level corporate America is like, but it was clearly comedic and deliberately simple. Characters were distinct from each other, motivations made sense, dialogue wasn’t overwritten (as much). The show went completely off the rails with season 2 and tried to be some unholy Sorkin ripoff, every season leading up to “the big deal” while characters spun their wheels and made baffling decisions, and the writers refused to commit to either character study or the potential corporate intrigue, instead opting for every meeting to be a cascade of “frick you”s and hamfisted metaphors.
Nah, instead we had to get typical HBO nihilism masking as 'Shakespearean Tragedy'. Leaving all the characters unsympathetic and trying to villainize best boy will ensure this series quickly retires to the dustbin of history.
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Have him jump the railing or have him call Roman and talk about buying a new start up. Give the man something, some life at the end instead of this soul-sucking ending. Strong has every reason to be disappointed with the ending.
Agreed.
I'm fine with Kendall losing in the end, but make this last L stand out somehow, give us a proper conclusion.
Nah, instead we had to get typical HBO nihilism masking as 'Shakespearean Tragedy'. Leaving all the characters unsympathetic and trying to villainize best boy will ensure this series quickly retires to the dustbin of history.
Just wish his ending was a little bit more cathartic, should've shown him trying to jump over the railing
Have him jump the railing or have him call Roman and talk about buying a new start up. Give the man something, some life at the end instead of this soul-sucking ending. Strong has every reason to be disappointed with the ending.
>read interview >Jeremy Strong says when they finished the shot, he ran toward the railing and climbed it >Colin's actor ran after him and stopped him from jumping >Jeremy Strong: "I didn't know I was going to do that." >Jesse Armstrong decides not to use this take
I love method actors. I hate "muh vision" showrunners.
>I don’t know whether in that moment I felt that Kendall just wanted to die — I think he did — or if he wanted to be saved by essentially a proxy of his father.
They should've left that fricking scene in
It sounds like they couldn't edit in a way to stop it from being comical. Ken running towards the water and Colin breaking into a sprint, cut to black, is impossible to portray as serious.
>her name is Siobhan >but everybody literally refers to her as Shiv >Shiv literally delivers the gut punch to Ken at the climax of the show >ESLs don't know what a shiv is
>the best succession thread in a while and it's 90% copy-pasted material from the succession subreddit
really says a lot
reddit is basically roman or ken while Cinemaphile are the guys who wanted to come to Tom's birthday party in the secret underground club in S1 but were left outside because they weren't cool enough
>Roy is old Scottish for King >Logan means Hollow >Logan often refers to Roman as Romulus, the founder of Rome >Shiv means knife >Kendall means Royal Valley
Tom won?
Scenario A >pawn to a Cinemaphile Swede who openly disrespects him >husband to a 4/10 bich who openly cucks him >best friends to a awkward freak who openly betrayed him
Scenario B >Connor, Shiv, and Roman's fight was staged >Shiv votes for the sale and all the Roys become billionaires >Kendall controls Shiv, Shiv controls Tom, Tom is forced to side with his bich wife over the domineering Cinemaphile Swede
Who has a better story, than Greg the Egg?
Tom of Siobhan
i'm in recovery and used to be obsessed with working at a prestigious company and being success-driven. Kendall resonated so fricking much with me as i'm sure he did for a lot of men. the revelation about him being cucked at the end was the cherry on the top and an incredibly deep pain that only so many men/people experience when their love/gf/wife fricks them over
the way Shiv acted at the end and the revelation of her and Kendall's wife's infidelity and liberal craziness was so fricking on-point and a deeply fair portrayal of the contemporary woman--especially in the traditional man's world of business and politics.
representation of men and their fidelity/loyalty i m o
shiv rava and jess sure landed some top women moments this season
>revelation
So you realized you were a fricking failure then?
Roman isn't saying his wife cheated and had the baby. He's saying Rava was an artificial insemination and making it seem like Kendall got fully cucked. The adoption and artificial insemination make it clear Kendall was shooting blanks, furthering his insecurity.
Glad this thread was made, now we can discuss the show.
I'll start. I really liked the episode where Kendall went from being upbeat, happy and excited for the future, to a dull, depressed loser looking at nothing for 2 full minutes.
its about to be over
Is that some sort of complaint? It's literally how my life goes.
Best scene and musical score coming through
based but kendall's coronation was my favorite scene in the entire season
So why did Ewan back Kendall?
Ewan is not a serious person
>give company to some dumbfrick who doesnt know you
>give company to your brothers dumbfrick son who will suck up to you
Ewan is a serious person, he was a Logan loyalist. he didn't agree how he ran things, but he respected the fact he built the empire and therefore has the right of running things as he wishes. Kendall would be the natural successor, from that point of view, because he's Logan's son. it's ironic that all the Logan loyalists voted for Ken (they voted against him in the vote of no confidence), and the ones that got their board seat because of Kendall's ill-advised attempts of killing his father all voted against him: Sandy, Sandi and Shiv. he would have lucked into the position if he had just respected his father and let things run its natural course, but no, he always has to throw tantrums when things don't go his way.
>but no, he always has to throw tantrums when things don't go his way.
thats my kenny
logan should have been harder on his kids, not by beating them roman style but by cutting them off the same way ewan did with greg's mom
>if he had just respected his father
thats the opposite of what logan wanted, he would've never given the position so easily. he wanted ken to "kill" him and then become the true successor because thats exactly how he raised his kids especially kendall
Logan wanted him to earn the position. he gave it to him, and then took it away, because Kendall screwed it. He wanted Kendall (and the others) to be a serious person, not a tantrum thrower manchild.
Letting things run their natural course would mean taking the fall for cruises. His hand was forced.
Same reason he sided with Logan in the no-confidence vote.
When I say L, you say OG
L to the
kenbros lost
romanbros lost
shivbros lost
but most importantly, sopranosbros lost hard
Embarrassing performance by those attention prostitutes
Idk about Roman losing. Remember in S4E1 he said something to the affect of "why don't we just take our money and enjoy it and buy snowmobiles and sushi?" when the sibs were discussing buying PGN? You can see in the last shot of Roman he lets loose a tiny smile as he sips his martini. He gets all the sushi and snowmobiles he ever wanted now, he wouldn't have been cut out to be CEO and he knows it.
Romanbros we won.
Agreed.
Rome hates Mattson and thinks he killed Logan, he should've been way more upset about losing the company to him, but this show has never been big on continuity like that
>not a picture of Logan's coffin
Kendall's smile and optimism: gone
Tom and Connor look better now
And did Roman's face get smaller?
Easy to forget that shiv was pretty qt in the first season.
Then she briefly became a slampig before completing her transformation into a bloated slug.
she was hot af in season 3, it's only in season 4 she looks like a fat dog and they film her gorilla boxer hands too much
it's still hilarious that the whole president thing came from hurling some sarcastic insults at a politician who didn't care enough to retort
I want Gerri to tell me to jerk off behind a locked door
i want gerri to be my everything
Damn Shiv really went downhill
connchads we just can't stop winning
>everyone pretty much looks the exact same
Apt considering the ending of the show.
If Shiv isn't a serious person and Tom is "fathoms beneath her" what's that make him?
oh wait we forgot season 1 scrap it
Tom always did the job. Tom always learned. Tom always handled every situation. Tom even worked while the siblings wasted their time attending Logan's funeral. If Logan knew Tom worked through his funeral, he'd respect him
Agreed. Tom deserves to win.
Did Tom even slip up once? The closest he got was maybe going to jail, but he took it like a made man and it gained him Logan's respect.
>Did Tom even slip up once
Court hearing, trusting Greg
>going to jail, but he took it like a made man
Whined like a girl about it
t. tomcat
Tom was ready to go to prison for shit that his predecessor and other people did. Kendall couldn't even call 911 when that kid died in the car Kendall was driving.
Yeah, Tom end would be fine if it was set up better
Her fall could have been done better
Being a trophy wife (who has the CEO's ear) is honestly more than she deserves, as it's a role she's actually appropriate for given her lack of experience
>Tom end would be fine if it was set up better
You mean like if they made it so obvious it wasn't fun anymore?
No, as they made it a more intricate chain of events rather than just as a result.of Shiv seething
Hollywood is filled with lefty nihilists. They love subverting expectations. A big hit series is overanalyized on the internet. The combination of those two impulses creates a back and forth dance between the series and its audience the always ends in dissatisfaction because the only conclusion ends up being the least popular fan theory in order to fulfill subversion.
That's pretty gay but I know what you mean. This obsession with the twists and turns of an intricate plot has always sort of struck me as missing the point in a particularly bugman way. "Oh wow I was so SURPRISED by that!" is like on the same level of cooming over 600 million dollars worth of special effects. It's depressingly midwit.
But then again, I think your interpretation is false... we could all see Roman's breakdown coming from a mile away and yet it happened anyway. I think the point is just that the meaningless nihilistic cycle will recur forever without ever coming to anything, not that the writers wanted to le subvert expectations.
He fricked Shiv so bad in S3 finale and cares so little about her afterwards that in S4 she is dragging herself to him just to barely try to stay relevant. lol
Shiv lost the worst of all: from kingmaker of politicians to "trophy" wife.
Tom is divorcing her so she won't be the trophy wife long. Haha.
Nah he’s just gonna spend years treating her like shit to pay her back for cucking him and she’s gonna take it
Does this show have the best ost out of all tv shows? I used to think it was GOT or Westworld but Brittell really outdid himself with this.
honestly I don't recall ever skipping the succ intro. it's a banger
It has a great OST but neither of those other shows you mentioned do, it might be time to watch a few more TV shows
Honestly the big boy's shows I have watched didn't have any sort of remarkable ost but mostly just grabbed songs for whenever they needed them.
Like Mad Men, Sopranos, I Clavdivs, etc...
Any recommendations?
The leftovers had a pretty good soundtrack.
>GOT doesn't have a good soundtrack
Embarrassing opinion anon.
GoT had a great ost.
Twin Peaks blows everything else out of the water. The Prisoner's soundtrack is also great. The X-Files too, actually. Don't let anyone tell you The Leftovers has a great OST; it's the worst part of the show.
Imagine calling the X-files soundtrack great while saying the Leftovers is bad. What a sad existence.
reddit post
ken wouldn't have lasted 1 (one) year
Tom winning made sense, but it would've been more enjoyable if it was because he fricked Kendall and the siblings over and not because Shiv was being a petty c**t again
Tom = Magnus Carlsen
Kendall = Hikaru Nakamura
Yeah it was pretty randumb. Sure she has some "motivations" but it's not satisfying. Tom winning is cool though.
>Shiv was being a petty c**t again
That felt so out of left field. After an entire series fighting each other for the position, Rome and Shiv finally support Kendall, then at the 11th hour she turns around and goes "aw yeah nah you can't have it ay"
>That felt so out of left field
did you watch a different show because that "twist" was so well communicated and laid out throughout it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone
all the lady Macbeth references, all the scorpion and the frog fable references
I guess it was the execution of it that felt cheap. Of course the entire series was centered around how Logan played everyone against each other, all his children vying for his affection and a chance at getting some of his power. It's more the scenes directly leading up to it that cheapened the "twist"
The cast was fantastic all around but strong and mcfadyen were the mvps
Does anyone have the scripts yet
shit show for homosexuals
We never got closure with Tabitha.
Her actor had a baby and left
it made sense with rome's development that she disappeared
marcia vanishing for increasingly large periods of time was more glaring, also the fat guy from severance never appearing again after the trainee program
Hiam Abbass left to film an Arab movie, Zack Cherry was doing Severance shit I assume. However, Roman's little management training stint was a sideplot small enough to be ignored like the majority of Succession sideplots. It is also within character for Roman to forget about him when Cruises drama hit and Logan started to rely on him more. It was always meant as a consolation prize but then Season 3 had Roman believe he was a serious contender again for CEO, not manager of parks.
To me, she was super cute in Episode 3. Season 1 Shiv was when the writers had her be a coy little cheater who made begging eyes at Kendall to let her in, and cried for forgiveness from Tom, maybe even a little homely as she was in pajamas more than once and used to wear cheaper clothes.
Then Season 2 hit and they decided to make her a smirky evil cartoon dressed in pale suits, severe bob cut, and very egotistical. She used to be quite adorable to me even if she was b***hy. The b***hyness was charming with her little sister energy.
Shut up moron
Feels good having been a wambsgans from the start
Reminder that Connor is a certified debatelord and BTFO'd Gil in his first ever interaction with him
The ending made sense to me, dramaturgically.
big shoes
big big shoes
he had had big shoes to fill
I genuinely believe that the waiter was gonna kidnap Kendall after he was in a lucid enough state.
What Ken doesn't realize is that deer was a blessing in disguise.
the deer guided him to the water
It was Snape all along
damn
That's fricked up.
But this also just furthermore proves that Kendall is probably Logan's favorite, I can't see him taking any of the other sibs there and doing the same thing.
i thought they had a room in their mansion where they made/stored candy
I was worried he might try to rape Kendall after drugging him. I doubt he had the conviction to actually hold him hostage even if the Roys humiliated him.
>Logan asks Ken if he's a queer over the dead waiter
>you now remember Cousin Greg slept over at the waiter's house
What would he get out of raping him?
I only brought this up cause I just rewatched the episode, and the guy was talking about taking Ken to his house and keeping him there after Kendall's stupid ass started talking about how rich he was.
Also, something interesting to note is how both Roman and Kendall both had major frickups in that episode; but Roman's didn't result in any casualties, while Kendall's did.
Humiliating him after Logan humiliated him. It's a weak suggestion anyways, and he was on ket and just saying shit.
>Also, something interesting to note is how both Roman and Kendall both had major frickups in that episode; but Roman's didn't result in any casualties, while Kendall's did.
Roman's frickup happened under his father's 'playground' of Waystar, he was assigned a throwaway job to keep him occupied. Meanwhile, Kendall strayed from that playground, so caught up in the high of finally escaping that it lead to a horrible crime, that forced him back into that fake world Logan has built for them, where his only use is being daddy's robot.
>He built you a playground, and you think it's a whole world
Kendall is definitely his favorite. People point to Shiv but she is a woman and he clearly does not take her serious (and for good reason)
Kendall, he challenges constantly, he wants to see him grow some business cajones
Wait, was the reason Logan was being so affectionate and protective of Kendall in S2, him experiencing something similar with Rose's death? I mean of course circumstances are different and Ken was obviously in a fragile state then, but I feel like that could've played a part in it.
>Kendall, he challenges constantly, he wants to see him grow some business cajones
Well, he failed.
Kendall subconsciously does everything knowing that he has a safety net to fall back on, the safety net being Logan of course. Nothing he does actually holds up unfortunately.
That thing Logan said about how he'd clean up his shit whenever things went awry, that was his mistake. Kendall never faced any true real life consequences.
Kek is this OC? Cause if so it's great
You know, most would say that Shinji as Kendall is the logical choice, but to me he's obviously Rei and Asuka is Shiv
Tom is the true protagonist
>Brian Cox forever seething that Macfadyen and Strong won Emmys for Succession and he didn't
the baguette and bagel talk was such a frick up I didn't even conceive greg was trying to one up tom there, he just perfectly played his punching bag role, but from the interviews he was genuinely trying to look good and emancipate
You could tell he actually got offended by Tom bashing The Economist.
In the scene before the board room Stewie taps Roman on the shoulder and says "you did a good one man", what was he referring to?
Maybe he was being nice about his funeral frickup. The other Roman and Stewy convos in the show made them seem amicable to me
Remember Roman wife and kids in the pilot?
no
How long do you guys think Tom will last on his position?
at most 4 months
Nervous breakdown in less than a year. Tom with a kid would be a nightmare CEO
As long as he lasted under Logan (until Matsson croaks)
A very long time. Mattson wants the appearance of stability and legacy (longtime Waystar executive + sort of family) and somebody willing to eat a lot of shit and be the face of Mattson gutting the company. Tom fits the bill perfectly and there's no chance of finding anyone else like him.
Depends on various factors:
1. If Shiv/Tom get divorced, it will be a messy as frick divorce especially if Shiv threatens to kill their unborn baby/take full custody of the kid. Mattson might fire Tom just to avoid the media trainwreck (since Shiv's whoring would be tabloid fodder) and because he will see his chance to finally frick Shiv.
2.If they stay together, eventually Mattson will make good on his threat to frick Shiv and Tom will either ragequit or Shiv will refuse and Tom gets fired that way; at which point Tom/Shiv will either break up because Tom is pissed Shiv didn't do it to save Tom's job or try and destroy Mattson.
3. Mattson uses Tom to purge ATN of all right wing conservativism then fires him over some petty bullshit or just fires him because he can, so Mattson can turn the channel into MSNBC-lite. And for added spite and malice, offers the CEO then to Shiv just to rub salt into Tom's wounds.
He knows they will get divorced. He doesn't give a shit unless it affects business.
>A very long time
what this guy said
big part of Mattson getting keen on Tom was when he learned Tom didn't attend Logan's funeral because he was "busy with work"
also Tom's soft pitch to Mattson was top notch. the guy is smart, he's competent and he's not afraid of doing the dirty work
also I love how Shiv is on the same route as her mother - wife to a powerful CEO, unable to pursue her own ambitions, unable to build a loving home for her child
I don’t even watch the show but that guy wasn’t Giovanni ribisi whole time?
Ribisi has more than one tone and can actually string together a sentence without 20 ums and ahs.
I first saw Jeremy Strong in that Guy Ritchie movie where he plays an arch crime homo
kinooo scene
god, season two is so much better than all the other seasons
Logan made Shiv, Roman and Ken play boar on the floor for all their lives.., Now it's over.
Did Logan ever give Roman his sausage
he tried to grab Shiv's pussay early in S1
Ken always goes full nut nut, every season
Why did Ken go full moron in s3?
When a show ends, it is sad. All shows will end one day. In this case, it is Succession that has done so. Succession was on air for 4 seasons, but no more.
>Succession was on air for 4 seasons, but no more.
fricking fraudulent practice they all wanted 5 seasons but hbo wanted to cut everything and switch to max
It was Jesse Armstrong's call to end it at 4.
hard to believe when theres even more cut content than before and several actors stated shock at there only being 4 seasons and the promotional material advertising it as the final season only started in 2023 and episodes were being edited 7 days before they aired
Threadly reminder that he had continually said no more than 5 seasons which is code for 5 seasons. He's lying now to save face for himself and HBO
Agreed
I felt like this dialogue was written by a british guy parodying the stupidity of Americans. It's pretty good satire
Tomcats, how are we celebrating our victory?
By drinking back my own cum out of my wife's brother's girlfriend's prostitute mouth
ken and con had the best dynamic btw
Ken has a good dynamic with everyone, perks of being the main character
What exactly is a serious person? Why is Tom a serious person?
Turned ATN into the most profitable sector of the company, knew his place, was willing to eat endless shit for his bosses, actually did his job and did it well.
serious people take what they do seriously. they are mature and act rationally, not emotionally. a serious person has a sense of dignity and self-respect. Tom is not one, he played boar on the floor and said yes to being a cuck.
He isn’t but Matsson is. I don’t get why people are retconning that Tom is competent. He was literally doing coke on election night and fumbling his way through every business conversation with Logan/Matsson this season until the very last dinner scene where he succinctly describes his ability to gobble shit for big wigs
tom was actually running shit the entire series, none of the kids were even involved in the business outside of the board room
Tom isn't a spoiled trust fund kid. Sure he's a striver social climber psuedo Wasp homosexual but he actually has an aroma of confidence, however faint. None of the other kids were willing to put the work in or had any actual business sense, because they had all grown up too sheltered. They didn't want the company to succeed, they weren't pirates, it was all for their own ego. Tom is admittedly a huge step down from Logan but at least he's in the same general genus of "business guy." None of the other kids are business people at all.
Most importantly, Tom was always willing to adapt and learn.
shit I meant *competence
>he won
>long distance relationship
>If I stop wanting to be loved, I can't get hurt
Let's not pretend that Conor is deeply fricked up in his own way. Maybe the least attached to reality. We see him so rarely and he's so delusional that the tragedy of his life seldom sinks in.
The scene of buzzfeedions getting sacked never fails to bring a smile to my face.
>any inconvenience, minor or major, happens
>immediately resorts to alcohol, coke, weed, drugs in general, just does every type of substance abuse
>then cries when he fricks up again due to being high
hes b***hmade. no other character does this.
I’m still seething over this ending
They should’ve cut from the board room when they left United at the end
Frick ofd
Why is succession so lacking in extra content? Are they insecure?
I wanna see some frickin uh tablereads, commentaries, the whole shebang. Oh and I want a blooper reel along with the deleted scenes.
Why can't we have that?
>Why can't we have that?
optics. it just uh... it wouldn't look good... ok?
They put out the script books after each season, which has a ton of extra scenes cut from the episodes plus stage direction notes to explain to the actors what the frick is going on in their heads in certain scenes.
Ok but I want moar
Bloopers, deleted scenes, tablereads, as I said
I'll pay good money for it I dont give a frick
Its ez money, i don't understand why they haven't made this a thing yet
>bloopers, deleted scenes
You're not a serious people.
>a serious people
they do a gay little solipsistic "run down" after each episode and they even have an accompanying podcast. Honestly it's way too much for what the show is, imo
The depressing thing about Succession's casting is that the people's former acting work informs their character. Like Wambsgans must have been a Mr. Darcy type character to Shiv in the 90s. Conor was in Ferris Bueller, Rome was in Home Alone, or at least close to it (symbolic of his neglectful youth).
All these ugly fading stars... it's realistic, but unpleasant.
>in the 90s
They were not together for that long, come the frick on.
Tom was in Pride and Prejudice.
How would Mr. Darcy react to Greg calling them the disgusting brothers?
I rewatched season 2 and it just made me angrier at Greg for betraying Tom in the final episode. As much as people like to say Tom "abuses" Greg, Tom endured some unnecessary humiliation in the boar-on-the-floor episode just for Greg's sake.
>You're not serious people.
What would you say your watching experience was like overall or foremost, entertaining, thrilling, stirring, moving, ...?
Has any other show been carried so hard by a theme song
Nic Brittell, Matthew MacFayden, and Brian Cox literally dragged this slop throught the muck
Feels good being a stewychad, always winning
There is no soundtrack, what you perceive with your ears is actually induced by jeremy strong's transcendental performance
It really makes sense, all of the scenes with just him have the best music.
Kino of the highest order
Just finished the last episode. I took a long break when Matsson got more and more screentime. Shiv doing this would've made sense and been acceptable if she had stated "My kid will have the CEO for a father" or some other selfish reason but not an emotional breakdown. I can't respect this ending. I wanted Tom to be a winner, but not without Shiv also getting humiliated in the process.
Was Gerri ever actually amused by Roman or was she just playing along for the inevitable fat paycheck?
Roman is charming in his own way and Gerri is very straightforward. she meant it. there was no reason for Gerri not to be supportive when Logan died, unless she was hurt. the "opportunistic move" in that moment was to pretend nothing had happened that ruined their relationship and continue with their plan, aim for the top job.
Roman is the most honest character in the series
Not really, no
Gerri was obviously into Roman, it's shown after he fires her and she clearly feels for him after collapsing at his fathers funeral.
This was the moment Tom won the succession
He ate Logan’s chicken
Logan cowered like a child and couldn’t do anything about it
I ate my CEO's double Filet-o-Fish (aka Fish Mac) By accident.
Should I gun for his position?
>accident
why that makes all the difference, anon, between incompetence and courage
The ending is dogshit. It manages to say absolutely nothing about it’s characters for a subversive twist shit out in the final episode. If they wanted to write a story about Kendall being an incompetent spoiled brat, they should write that fricking story. Have him tank the company through the fake living plus numbers, have him lose through his own failure. Shiv’s eleventh hour betrayal makes no fricking sense from a story telling perspective. This moment is supposed to be the culmination of your shows themes and messages. Was this whole journey really about shiv’s giant freckles ass needing to be tamed by big wambsgans wiener? There’s no closure on anything else.
Succession is literally R*ddit: The Show. It’s a show that purports to be smart while saying nothing thematically, developing none of its characters (who all talk in the same reference-laden cadence despite being dumb trust-fund babies btw), and completely failing to commit to any vision at all. The Redditor has been conditioned, because of people even dumber than him, to view favorably a show where “nothing happens.” Unfortunately, this isn’t just a low-IQ reading of Succession; nothing actually happens in this show. Superficially, none of the characters evolve. The dull repetition of the plot and human drama does nothing to further a thematic message about these people or their lifestyles. Season 1 felt like it knew its place: it was a pitifully dumbed-down idea of what high level corporate America is like, but it was clearly comedic and deliberately simple. Characters were distinct from each other, motivations made sense, dialogue wasn’t overwritten (as much). The show went completely off the rails with season 2 and tried to be some unholy Sorkin ripoff, every season leading up to “the big deal” while characters spun their wheels and made baffling decisions, and the writers refused to commit to either character study or the potential corporate intrigue, instead opting for every meeting to be a cascade of “frick you”s and hamfisted metaphors.
Sitcom ending for a prestige drama show
>show is called Succession
>main character doesn't succeed the whole show
Just wish his ending was a little bit more cathartic, should've shown him trying to jump over the railing
Agreed.
I'm fine with Kendall losing in the end, but make this last L stand out somehow, give us a proper conclusion.
Nah, instead we had to get typical HBO nihilism masking as 'Shakespearean Tragedy'. Leaving all the characters unsympathetic and trying to villainize best boy will ensure this series quickly retires to the dustbin of history.
Have him jump the railing or have him call Roman and talk about buying a new start up. Give the man something, some life at the end instead of this soul-sucking ending. Strong has every reason to be disappointed with the ending.
wouldnt have it ending any other way than ken zombie facing with an orchestra in the background
tomelette
Losing my shit at this fricking "featurette" why is extra succ content so fricking bad lmao https://youtu.be/YyncUrAs1Vg
I'm not
Ken deserved the job, he was promised it
Kino freeze frame ending.
>read interview
>Jeremy Strong says when they finished the shot, he ran toward the railing and climbed it
>Colin's actor ran after him and stopped him from jumping
>Jeremy Strong: "I didn't know I was going to do that."
>Jesse Armstrong decides not to use this take
I love method actors. I hate "muh vision" showrunners.
>I don’t know whether in that moment I felt that Kendall just wanted to die — I think he did — or if he wanted to be saved by essentially a proxy of his father.
They should've left that fricking scene in
I find it kind of gay tbh. Just do your job, it's not this mystical thing. You're basically one step above a prostitute.
It sounds like they couldn't edit in a way to stop it from being comical. Ken running towards the water and Colin breaking into a sprint, cut to black, is impossible to portray as serious.
Ozymandias did it better
The frick is his problem? This is who Kendall is being protected by?
it's so over
Damn Colin just raised in my estimation to above Tom's level
kek I’m glad they cut most of this out, pretty lame
Now that Succession's done, is there gonna be a Fuccession?
Watch Kendall rise from the ashes like a phoenix this Fall on... ASCENSION.
Like Brian Cox once said, it's pronounced Suck Session.
Does anyone ITT have the AI that made this? https://twitter.com/strangeluvz/status/1665793265524776964?s=46
The voices are really fricking good
elevan labs? shit idk but those voices are good
I'm obsessed with this show bros, it's been a week since it ended and I still don't know what to do
We wait for the scripts
same though, I had the same thing happen to me with BCS. then, eventually, I got over it
>the intro was Tom with Shiv's kids all along
>Shiv absent
>her name is Siobhan
>but everybody literally refers to her as Shiv
>Shiv literally delivers the gut punch to Ken at the climax of the show
>ESLs don't know what a shiv is
>ESLs don't know what a shiv is
no, i don´t
a knife to the gut
a backstabbing c**t. she lived up to her name
>the best succession thread in a while and it's 90% copy-pasted material from the succession subreddit
really says a lot
reddit is basically roman or ken while Cinemaphile are the guys who wanted to come to Tom's birthday party in the secret underground club in S1 but were left outside because they weren't cool enough
>Roy is old Scottish for King
>Logan means Hollow
>Logan often refers to Roman as Romulus, the founder of Rome
>Shiv means knife
>Kendall means Royal Valley
>Hollow King
>Rome King
>Knife Queen
>Royal King
what about ewan
what about greg ory
>what about greg ory
greg, gregarious
Greg Hirsch means vigilant keeper of deer
Would Logan really allow his son to be named Kendall?
I'm a tomgay but even i hated the finale
Tom is the man.
He went from my most hated character in season 1 to the only truly good guy in the whole show, I'm glad he made it.
nobody hated him in s1
He was a wannabe b***h in season 1.
naa he was based from the first second
Greg and Tom will raise Shiv's baby that she conceived with Nate
What you guys watching now?
The same show?
chernobyl probs
He's right you know
Unlucky spawn
He looks so young here
Season 1 Kendall, so full of life and hope
sometimes I wish that the cast was somehow younger, just a little
Its not as bad as bcs though
The show will be forgotten in 10 years time thanks to ken not winning
reddit absolutely seething anytime someone dislikes le girlboss
Good ol misogyny
yawn
Did Sarah's pregnancy make her ass any bigger?
this kid's about to get his shit rocked and he doesn't know it
Tom won?
Scenario A
>pawn to a Cinemaphile Swede who openly disrespects him
>husband to a 4/10 bich who openly cucks him
>best friends to a awkward freak who openly betrayed him
Scenario B
>Connor, Shiv, and Roman's fight was staged
>Shiv votes for the sale and all the Roys become billionaires
>Kendall controls Shiv, Shiv controls Tom, Tom is forced to side with his bich wife over the domineering Cinemaphile Swede