The original VA won't reprise their role for season 7 of Totally Spies because the studios were too cheap didn't want to pay the original voice actors by Union standard.
Look like this renewal is nothing but a cashgrab.
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>hey, we're paying [amount]
>umm actually my big special kewl kids club says you gotta pay [bigger amount]
>uh, no thanks
>???????? I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS ??????????????????????????????
>>???????? I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS ??????????????????????????????
Well, it's simple, anon, people do no want to be paid like shit when your work generate millions to the people you are working for.
This is why you should stab all scabs.
>i pay
>i no like your pay
>ok no work then
>WAIT WHAT!? OUTRAGIOUS!
>>WAIT WHAT!? OUTRAGIOUS!
Thank you for understanding this, yes. Studios make millions and treat people who make them rich like shit.
Studio executives make millions
The writers, animators, show runners make less than the VOs for more work hours.
>The writers, animators, show runners make less than the VOs for more work hours.
It's not them who pay the VA, though. And you are right, they should unionise to get better pay too.
Then they should get paid more as well then
And if animators, show runners were the ones paying them, that would be germane to the discussion.
They don't. So it's not. But E for Effort.
Voice acting is literally one of the easiest fricking jobs in the world. Why morons like you simp for them but never the animators of storyboard artists is beyond me.
Who the frick cares how easy a job is you fricking bootlicking little piggy? Most jobs are bullshit jobs that aren't ultimately necessary to the survival of society or the species, that doesn't mean people shouldn't be paid enough to make ends meet. If they're making leaps and bounds more money off of you by using your voice then they paid you for, you should make more fricking money. I truly don't understand how you can mindlessly defend a nameless and faceless corporation over people who provided the voices to make these softcore porn characters come to life.
Samegayging pretty hard here just to defend so moron that gets paid to talk.
Bootlicker
>This is why you should stab all scabs.
this is only true for real jobs done by people who matter, with actual costs to them. Things that wreck your body. Soft pussy work like acting and voice acting do not deserve this protection.
>Aesthetic of worker
All workers are working class, ass, it's solidarity or bust, you fake leftist.
>All workers are working class, ass, it's solidarity or bust, you fake leftist.
No, only people who do real work are working class, fake work like acting and voice acting are not under the banner of solidarity.
>No, only people who do real work are working class
All work a bsuiness owner demand you to do to make his profit IS real work.
Not really this guy isn't a leftist, he is some rightoid pretending to defend what some imaginary notion of what a worker is.
>Not really this guy isn't a leftist, he is some rightoid pretending to defend what some imaginary notion of what a worker is.
I'm a leftist, I just happen to hate actors and voice actors because they're disgusting perversions that the world would be better off without.
>I'm a leftist,
No, you aren't. As demonstrated by this
>this is only true for real jobs done by people who matter, with actual costs to them. Things that wreck your body.
A real leftist want everyone to have job who don't wreck people's body.
Only rigtoid jerk off to the notion of "real physical worker"
>A real leftist want everyone to have job who don't wreck people's body.
Those jobs still exist, dingus.
Yes, and your point is?
Who's going to have those jobs if no one should have those jobs?
Okay, that's a stupid question. you clearly missed the point. The point is to ensure the employer provide working condition such as those jobs no longer wreck the worker's body.
So that they don't get exploited and abused.
Demanding your intereste be kept sacred while offering nothing but eternal antagonism in return sounds like a bad deal.
Good thing it's in no way what I demanded at all.
>I'm a
No you're not. You're a poojeet getting paid by big business to shit on unions and shill fake AI so they can keep the workers divided and unable to organize better wages and working conditions. You are nothing but a means of increasing profit for them. Ironically, your pay is shit because poojeets like you gets paid in rice and empty promises of a better tomorrow.
And the left eats its own once again proving why united workers always fail
>And the left eats its own once again proving why united workers always fail
ok loser but at least real work can't be replaced by a computer algorithm.
Considering automation has killed millions of "real" jobs, yes it can.
Factory assembly work. Mining. Construction. Textiles. Just a few industries where machines have been replacing people for at least a century.
>Factory assembly work. Mining. Construction. Textiles. Just a few industries where machines have been replacing people for at least a century.
Certainly but all things that actually created new work in one way or the other. Once the computer algorithms have been perfected the loss of acting and voice acting will not produce new jobs of those kinds because they weren't real work to begin with.
>All workers are working class
Lol this is the moron who will be slaving in the fields for communism when his favorite celebritiy tells him they can't do that work because "it's too much for them". And he'll gladly defend it too.
>Lol this is the moron who will be slaving in the fields for communism when his favorite celebritiy tells him they can't do that work because "it's too much for them".
No, anon. you are just a moron.
So what is your job in the commune going to be? Animation commentator? Community lecturer?
Sorry anon, you aren't going to be having a cushy job sitting back. They expect YOU to do work while they won't.
>So what is your job in the commune going to be?
I am not even communist. I have worked for Caterpillar before and I know the value of Union. and I know that when a business demand for someone's work, they should have their fair pay, no matter what the work is.
I gave you a concrete example where it turns out I can't actually decide if it will be Red, and you still fail to grasp it.
>he thinks the lumberjack, mill worker, farmer, and construction worker have solidarity with fat talentless writers in Hollywood
lmao union spergs truly are stuck in the Gilded Age mentality.
>>he thinks the lumberjack, mill worker, farmer, and construction worker have solidarity with fat talentless writers in Hollywood
Yes. They actually do. Most union people support them. Teamsters sure do.
>Paid like shit
You're actors. Get a fricking lawyer to have a better contract out if you want better pay or payouts. This stupid "People wanna be paid better" works with the lower class of idiots at McDonalds but when you're in the entertainment industry where negotiation is KEY (literally how pay to play contracts are anon) you don't get to relax and lean on this excuse. It isn't as strong as you think.
>You're actors. Get a fricking lawyer to have a better contract
Or union. You know, that works too.
It clearly didn't work here.
>you HAVE to join our union
>if you don’t we’ll demonize you and justify your death
And people wonder why the layman in America came to hate unions.
>And people wonder why the layman in America came to hate unions.
Most Americans support unions, nowadays.
>>if you don’t we’ll demonize you and justify your death
There is no need to demonize those who already benefit from the exploitation of others.
Most americans supported Biden. Let that sink in.
Trump won, seethe harder
well, hen you see who the other guy was, that's understandable.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/398303/approval-labor-unions-highest-point-1965.aspx
Who is delusional?
>lies and damnation
The idea that you think you’re going to convince anyone on here is delusional
They should just use AI voices, then they get the same sound without financing the decadent lifestyle of these greedy shiftless actor bums.
how can you be this moronic?
Bootlicking kills brain cells
GOOD MORNING SIR PLESE DO THE NEEDFUL AND DO NOT REEDEEEM!
>this is the rate set by unions that should be paid
>yeah we'd rather not deal with unions and underpay someone desperate for work
This is basically what's going on with manufacturing in the US. A lot of factory jobs are moving to Texas where they very lax labour laws and regulations. So Texas is the new Mexico taking yer jerbs
Don’t worry AI will save us anyone who disagrees is just unironically SEETHING
But the original VA was Claire Guyot.
Sub > Dub
good, those fricking unions ruin everything and people shouldn't let them get away with their shit, I'm so fricking glad AI exists now.
>good, those fricking unions ruin everything
The Amerifat lashes out when you don’t give them your treats. Based French companies.
Industry VAs will never give you a job anon
>Industry VAs will never give you a job anon
It's production studios who give jobs, not VAs themselves.
>It's production studios who give jobs, not VAs themselves.
Industry VAs are the ones who decide who gets to have a career and who doesn’t. Most of the time younger VAs are told to frick off so these 10 or so geezers can hog all of the roles to themselves. This b***h voiced in Overwatch, Mass Effect and countless other million dollar franchises. She can handle not being able to voice a character from a nearly two decade old cartoon’s revival.
>Industry VAs are the ones who decide who gets to have a career and who doesn’t.
No, they don't, moron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Hale_filmography
She’s voiced in over 200+ media franchises over the course of 30 years. She can handle not being in one show.
It's about not letting the industry screw you over, anon.
>It's about not letting the industry screw you over, anon.
Foreign countries shouldn’t have to pay ludicrous amounts of money just because Amerimutt actresses b***h about it.
>Foreign countries shouldn’t have to pay ludicrous amounts
Union rates aren't ludicorous.
>Uh yeah they do, you ever wonder how union membership works? It's not something that actually works for the worker like you think it does
I have worked in the industry, anon. I know how it works.
> Hell unions have been greater detriments to workers rights than corporate ass hats.
Wow, you are also eating the balls. Impressive.
>It literally by definition is.
No, it's not. Saying who can not get in doesn't mean you decide who can get in.
>Saying who can not get in doesn't mean you decide who can get in.
Anon read that statement again. Read it slowly, like really slowly. Please try to process what your wrote and recognize how fricking stupid it is.
>Anon read that statement again. Read it slowly, like really slowly.
Anon, read
And understand that being able to forbid doesn't equate being able to allow.
Anon, read that fricking explaination slowly because you don't seem to realize how moronic you are. If you can decide blue candies don't belong in the bowl you've already decided what color candies go in the bowl. You can't just side step around saying that by allowing all other colored candies into the bowl you haven't already made the decisions of what color candies go in the bowl.
>. If you can decide blue candies don't belong in the bowl you've already decided what color candies go in the bowl.
No, you haven't. you are not able to decide if it will be green, yellow or red. Look like you have some brain problem.
You still decided that it can't be blue. Ergo you've decided what colors it CAN be.
God damn I knew uniontards were stupid but I didn't think they were this fricking stupid
>You still decided that it can't be blue. Ergo you've decided what colors it CAN be.
You fail at logic, anon.
I gave you a concrete example where it turns out I can'
maybe she just liked the character and is sad that she won't be voicing her anymore
>maybe she just liked the character and is sad that she won't be voicing her anymore
VAs don’t like the characters they voice, they like the money they get out of it.
>VAs don’t like the characters they voice
Source?
So, that shit about blacklisting the springtrap scooby doo guy, you think that was a joke or bluff?
Blacklisting is not the same thing as deciding who can do what, anon.
That's not a relevant question.
>Blacklisting is not the same thing as deciding who can do what
It literally by definition is. Holy shit anon what moronation do you suffer from?
So, how big is the new totally spies budget? Is it a direct to web thing?
>Blacklisting is not the same thing as deciding who can do what, anon.
I'm being trolled. I'm sure of it.
>I'm being trolled. I'm sure of it.
Let say you can forbid which color are not allowed in a bawl of M&Ms
Let's say you get to say that blues one are not allowed. That doesn't mean you decide which colors will be allowed in ultimately... You don't decide if red or yellow will be the ones in the bawl...
Uh yeah they do, you ever wonder how union membership works? It's not something that actually works for the worker like you think it does. Hell unions have been greater detriments to workers rights than corporate ass hats. Hell you can thank the 8 hou4 work day and the weekend to Henry Ford, someone who hated unions.
>She can handle not being able to voice a character from a nearly two decade old cartoon’s revival.
Beside the point, it's about industry underpaying VA, anon.
>Beside the point, it's about industry underpaying VA, anon.
You wouldn’t instantly give a guy $200 on his work day at work would you?
Not that Anon but aren't you sucking union dick right now?
No, union work for my interest. My boss doesn't.
I'm for unions, but I'm not that naïve. We had a strike happen in Canada recently that was started by only 1/3rd of the members voting which means only half of that portion voted for the strike. That small portion should have counted as a reasonable base to go off of and should have demanded a revote and forced members to actually vote on it.
Didn't pretend it was perfect, but Union representatives are elected and exist because of union fees. This means they depends on you and are more likely to work for your interest than a business owner.
who needs unions!? just hire more kids!
Child labor is already incredibly inefficient compared to hiring adults, as well as hurting profit values in the area where people are aware of the practices. It was already on the decline when it was outlawed.
And yet it has been on the rise recently.
Do you mean in the US or globally? Because while I'm aware of child labor still running rampant in some eastern countries like China, as well as in African countries, my understanding is that in the US it's still illegal below a certain age with exception of some very specific fields of work (family owned restaurants, Hollywood)
Missouri recently repealed some of their child labor laws.
Woops. It was Arkansas.
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162531885/arkansas-child-labor-law-under-16-years-old-sarah-huckabee-sanders
Thanks for the actual links. It seems like a lot of the cases of 'bad' child labor (unsupervised, high risk, unsanitary) are cases of migrant children which is a case of being more profitable specifically because they're more exploitable, in which case I can agree that that shouldn't be allowed. Though I think that's more a case of immigration issue, but whatever.
As for the bills, most of them don't seem that bad. Arkansas is just streamlining the process that was rubber stamped anyways, Minnesota is allowing 16-17 year olds to work in construction, a field where the trade is more important than the specific education. Most of them are extending the hours you can give teenage workers, which I don't think is a big deal. The big issues I see are Iowa SF 167 (which I couldn't read) and Nebraska which reduces the floor for wages of child workers, making them actually more efficient than adult workers funnily enough.
It's a damn shame though, I will agree.
>Do you mean in the US
The US.
https://www.epi.org/publication/child-labor-laws-under-attack/
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/may/01/us-surge-efforts-reduce-child-labor-regulations
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/20/meat-packing-plant-child-labor-fines/11304311002/
>the studios were too cheap
Or maybe she’s asking too much for their allocated budget they’ve been given to work with.
After the bullshit with Bayonetta’s voice actress, I no longer trust any VO who runs to Twitter to try and stir up an angry mob and ruin the work of everyone else involved. Especially when it’s an older actress pulling up the ladder to try and deny a new actress a turn in the spotlight.
>Or maybe she’s asking too much
Asking Union rate is standard. If anything, it's the bare minimum, so, no she doesn't.
>Asking Union rate is standard. If anything, it's the bare minimum, so, no she doesn't.
Do we really need the same 60 something prostitutes voicing characters for eternity? The Totally Spies chicks are young, I want them to at least sound like that. Poor wittle Karen can’t accept the fact foreign based productions don’t want to spend ludicrous amounts of money hiring big names when it’s easier for them to get smaller VAs who want to be successful.
bawd should take a fricking hike for all I care.
>Do we really need the same 60 something prostitutes voicing characters for eternity?
Not even the argument, anon.
The show better be damn good with plenty of fetishes if there was no more money for VA.
Her networth is ten million dollars, she’s clearly not struggling financially. This is nothing but dumb Union rules that benefits no one.
>she’s clearly not struggling financially.
It's not about struggling, it's about refusing to work under Union rate. she refuse to be a scab and this ensure other VAs won't be screwed too.
For frick sake, Union Rate is supposed to be the minimum acceptable to make a decent living.
Then she can move on and find work that will pay her precious union rate. No need to sabotage the hard work of the animators and the rest of the crew. VAs act like they're the only ones that matter.
>Then she can move on and find work that will pay her precious union rate.
She will, doesn't make what the studios are doing any less scummy, not to mention fricking up with the fanbase who are fan of her voice.
On top of that union rate isn't some "flat livable minimum" it's often an inflated amount dictated by the actor's reputation and returning to the role. Same shit nearly happened with Bender in the new Futurama season. It's pure entitlement.
>On top of that union rate isn't some "flat livable minimum" it's often an inflated amount dictated by the actor's reputation and returning to the role.
It's dependant on how successful is a show and the point is for the worker to have their fair share.
>It's pure entitlement.
It's LEGITIMATE entitlement. And it turned out what Bender's VA asked for wasn't even money in the first place and might have been something that benefited all other VA.
And now the new season is the shittiest in terms of animation and writing. We did it reddit!
>And now the new season is the shittiest
It has actually been a fine season so far.
>Then she can move on and find work that will pay her precious union rate
and she did just that you stupid 3rd world chimp.
she did you mouthbreathing moron
good. voice "actors" should not have a union, shit job full of nepotism, hoping AI voice replaces the lot of them.
Hello, boot licker.
>Hello, boot licker.
make way for real progress loser.
I don't consider abusing people as progress.
I can't help but wonder if all the recent anti-union posts on the site are from corporate plants
I just hate voice actors. My only personal experience with unions was working in a grocery store where it made me earn less than minimum wage and I was only able to get 12 hours a week due to senority rules not allowing me to get more hours than someone who's been there longer.
>Americans being outraged a French production only care about the French market
lmao
i only saw this show with romanian dubbing on jetix sometime in the mid-2000s or so
were the english VAs any good?
it really is a shame how you just can’t talk about labor issues on the more popular boards anymore because of freaks like this
/misc/ is overrun by pajeets, of course Cinemaphile would be as well
>It really is a shame how you just can’t talk about labor issues on the more popular boards anymore because of freaks like this
Yeah, I wish all media was voiced by retirement age grannies and grandpas instead of letting new talent take over. Oh wait, it is!
>Pajeets
Is this the new buzzword of “people I don’t like”?
good morning sir
Problem is that labor issues qualify more than just
>le capitalsim bad!
and
>it's all the mean corpos fault!
I know you think it's that simple but it isn't.
I'm not seeing the problem? Some dumbfrick tries to b***h about bootlicks. Some other dumbfrick tries to b***h about Hollywood frickheads. Some idiot tries to say blacklists isn't controlling who gets work.
If you actually have something to say, just be fricking out with it.
>Is this the new buzzword of “people I don’t like”?
No. Just racists being idiots who don't even meet the high quality racisim we usually expect on Cinemaphile.
Sorry but all you manual laborers deserve to be shit on and paid for less.
>Go to shop A and find food I like is too expensive
>Got to shop B and find food at a cheaper price
>Buy at shop B
>Shop A doesn't start reeeee-ing on Twitter about me not shopping there
Seriously if you labour is too expensive you need to make it better or yourself cheaper
>>Got to shop B and find food at a cheaper price
>>Buy at shop B
People were exploited to make food in shop B.
Unless they were literally hired against their will then no, no one was exploited. People agreed to work at that price and so no one was exploited.
>kids working for 14 cents an hour in a sweat shop in Taiwan aren't being exploited
Sure, bro.
nta but I think he means shop B stole their food from shop A and is selling it at a lower price and while its half rotten
>Unless they were literally hired against their will then no, no one was exploited
Unless everyone is guaranteed a livelihood even if they don't work, then yes exploitation is Always possible.
As long as your livelihood depend of a salary, you can always bee exploited.
Yet we're just going to ignore that your employers have a livelihood and depend on your work to also survive? If someone is working at a lower price than you and making do that says more about you than it does your employer.
>Yet we're just going to ignore that your employers have a livelihood and depend on your work to also survive?
If an employers can't run a business without exploiting their worker, then their business shouldn't exist in the first place.
> If someone is working at a lower price than you and making do that says more about you than it does your employer.
It says the employer is putting in competition his workers to exploit them and pay them less.
Why should the worker be artificially insulated from compeiteition?
CEO's have been reporting recording breaking profits for years now. They've been exploiting you. Your boss absolutely can afford to pay you more.
>just learn to live with less and never complain
I can't even tell if you're real.
producers, the amptp and industry shills can toung my anus.
if they were high IQ they would have avoided this whole mess. now the cronyism will be on full display as opportunities dry up and more and more production workers will become critical of the industry. if they just treated their staff better none of this would have happened. how could they frick this up?
Watching the SAG Union burn brings me joy
>Union shill desperately attacks people to defend his mob-style club
The best part is that it doesn’t matter, Hollywood is doing so poorly that it will collapse completely from their own hubris and incompetence and both strikers and studios will be up the creek
The only shill is the one licking employer's boots.
Which studio is producing it? This could literally be a case that the budget they're able to get doesn't allow for them to be able to pay the needed amount. It could just literally not fit into their budget.
>cashgrab
how much of a cashgrab are we talking here?
Do they not have unions in hindustan? Surely theres a street-cleaner union, I cant imagine anybody willing to work for low pay to clean up all the shit
I don't want to listen to the same 10 VAs with the only new blood being nepotism hires. If that makes me anti-union then so be it.
Why do Americans hate unions so much? Have you actually been THIS brainwashed by corpo propaganda you think it's BAD to collectively bargain? You people are fricking sheep.
We got tired of them getting in bed with the Mafia and forcing workers to join and pay fees for no realistic benefit. And that was before a lot of them got infiltrated by communists
>for no realistic benefit.
The benefit were very real, also most unions have no connections with the mafia.
>also most unions have no connections with the mafia.
Then why do you c**ts act like them?
Most unions don't.
>brainwashed by corpo propaganda
Yes, yes they are. It's in corporates best interest to shittalk unions at any given moment, and 3rd world shills costs a fraction of what they'd be paying workers that actually united. It's the same with tipping. They keep a couple of shills stationed on Cinemaphile at all times, just in case someone makes a tipping thread. That's why those threads always devolve into a flamefest and eventually get nuked.
inb4
>but le mafi-
The mafia managed to infiltrate some unions 100 years ago, and corporate is still riding high on that. Much like certain other tribes continually trying to cash in on things that happened a literal lifetime or more ago.