Sunrise should let him do something with Gundam so he can put another cultural legacy on his shelf as a trophy. It's kind of crazy to me that he's ended up getting to take the helm for so many iconic franchises. Godzilla, Ultraman, Kamen Rider and whatever else is next.
/m/ would implode.
>It's kind of crazy to me that he's ended up getting to take the helm for so many iconic franchises. Godzilla, Ultraman, Kamen Rider and whatever else is next.
His wife has expensive taste. He needs to hustle to earn that moolah.
they look different irl
>Sunrise should let him do something with Gundam
I don't think he could handle working with banrise, it seems like a studio held with duct tape forced to meet deadlines and constant releases, and Anno doesn't do too well with deadlines. Now if they lent the IP to Khara, that'd be a different story.
From what I know, the Shin Ultraman and Kamen Rider movies were 50% Khara productions, with Toho being involved for half Shin Ultraman's production while Toei was involved for half Shin Kamen Rider's. Maybe Banrise and Khara could enter a partnership that way.
I'm not talking about money but management.
Exactly.
>Sunrise should let him do something with Gundam
What would he even do with it? Seriously, I like Anno, but his works on Shin Godzilla, Shin Ultraman, and Shin Kamen Rider are ultimately just remakes of pre-existing material. Shin Ultraman was probably the best of them though cause it's basically a love letter to the original Ultraman which makes sense since Anno himself is a big fan.
He could probably help remake MSG, but considering the overall length of the main story it might take longer than a single film and the other Shin films all so far ended up being one-shots.
Shin Gundam
>remakes
Wrong.
Nah. Shin Godzilla is basically 1954 Godzilla if it took place in modern day and if you replaced Godzilla being an ancient Kaiju woken up with a nuke to a fish who got mutated by nuclear waste.
Same with Shin Ultraman. It just took several battles from the original series, condensed them into a single film, while adding some modern updates as well.
Wrong again.
Wrong again.
Wrong.
Wong.
based
Bump.
kys
Shin G-Saviour.
>Get in the Gundam, Shin-G!
>He could probably help remake MSG, but considering the overall length of the main story it might take longer than a single film and the other Shin films all so far ended up being one-shots.
Humorously enough, he could adapt Eva into Gundam; Amuro being dragged into his father's pet project and ordered to pilot the Gundam or everyone on the colony dies.
Or an AU with much the same premise. While we did have plenty of angsty teen pilots entering Gundam wienerpits, it wasn't yet because their parent, who is also the head of the organization, threatened to make an injured pilot do so in their place and effectively traumatize them.
I wouldn't mind an Anno MSG film three parter. Yeah they've had him do remakes but they were good and had interesting elements. I liked Shin Godzilla, it felt modern while still keeping the ethos of the original.
True.
>Shinn Asuka
Ultraman Dyna remake?
No it's a full on SEED Destiny remake but with different Ultras instead of MS and Shin Asuka instead of Shinn Asuka
Is for Kensuke
Shin Ultraman's the worst of the lot. It feels like his loving the source material weighed it down too much and it ended up too conservative. And the CG was dog shit, especially on Zetton.
I found the CGI in Kamen Rider more detrimental, really. Shin Ultraman's is wanting, though I still think it was the right call over practical effects.
>I found the CGI in Kamen Rider more detrimental,
Nothing in Kamen Rider comes close to Zetton looking like he's from Beast Wars.
No, but it's a lot more jarring given what it's surrounded by. It's also just less interesting to watch. Both times Ultraman engages Zetton are pretty inspired visually, whatever the CGI limitations.
These are the types of homies that will say places like Philippines' chocolate hills, the Nevada Fly Geyser and Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia and say the CGI looks bad
No. Like I said, I think Shin Ultraman going with CGI was the right call. I think parts of it are lacking, but it's saved by being a well-directed movie. Shin Kamen Rider's CGI isn't any worse on a technical level, but it doesn't mesh as well with the rest of the film and I think going with more conventional choreography and stunt work would have made for a better movie. I think this would have been the case even if ILM or Weta were handling the CGI, but Khara/Toei's more meager resources don't do it any favors. I still like Shin Kamen Rider as an overall movie, but for being a movie about a karate bugman riding motorcycles and punching fellow monstrosities the action wasn't anything to write home about even with all the computer animation.
You're the kind of moron who doesn't know what is CG and didn't notice that shit like the mountains and trees are CG in SKR.
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Heh, I'll do ya a better one, I bet you didn't even know the credits are CG.
Nah, the CG was great. It looks like shit but that's also pretty much the point since it made Ultraman literally not from this world.
Shin Gundam probably just adaptation of 0079 novel tbh
Would watch an AU series directed by him.
Also Shin kamen is tomorrow, I can't wait.
As much as I like Eva, Shin Ultraman and Shin KR, I do feel that his stories are lacking in a lot of areas. His Shin Ultraman and KR especially are just glorified exposition dumps with little to no motivation behind them, making me realized that the shittiest KR summer and spring movies have better kishotenketsu albeit being cliche and overused. Anno can do great designs and concepts but he is not a good storyteller, kinda similar to Zack Snyder.
EVA fans are parasocial roaches.
Shiori Tsukada slimmed down.
He should've killed himself after EoE.
why are you talking in third person?
Anno is already out there directing real movies, no need to dunk on Tomino by doing Gundam too.
raggedy-ass lookin muthafricka
can't even clean up properly for a public event
What can he do better than Tomino ? Nothing about Eva is really special. EOE is great but the whole industry had auteurs and a lot of them were better than Anno
everything. eva is way more deep and original than any gundam show ever was
EOE is debatable; short and to the point with great imagery but the show wasn't much better than Victory or even G-Gundam. People praise the creative animation but it was common for that time. A lot of experimentation and EOE doesn't even do that in an interesting way it's like a poorly edited Gasaraki fight
you really have no clue what you are talking about
Nothing in EVA is special the same thing Anno did was common everywhere even silly shojo anime like Card Captor did the same thing. You have to learn to watch anime first
>if I keep repeating it then it will become true
It is the truth in the long run EVA was just one amongst other groundbreaking anime of that time period. It all happened because of Nausicaa, Akira and GITS not exactly in that order but they changed the whole industry. Anno himself worked on two of those productions
>It all happened because of Nausicaa, Akira and GITS
Now do TV anime
Not him but imo the most influential tv anime were probably Yamato, Gundam, Urusei Yatsura, Eva, Zero no Tsukaima, and K-ON.
Yes, but he keeps denying that Eva is included in the list
Within the industry EVA influence was small but outside it EVA was really influential. If you're talking from an outside perspective I agree EVA was kind of one of the most influential anime of the 90s
>Within the industry EVA influence was small
How can you say that when multiple creators have cited it as direct inspiration?
I know it influenced modern creators but people who worked on evangelion worked with Oshii, Miyazaki, Otomo and etc ... People at that time already had experience in the industry. Anno influence was small the effect came later.
That doesn't mean anything.
All of that can be said about Gundam/Tomino too.
There's shit people say, and shit people do. People made Eva clones after the movies were successful. That's market influence, but not the content of the show itself.
You want actual influential? Shit like the Itano Circus and Yutapon Cubes are what actual influence looks like. People do it because they like it, not because suits are there telling them to make the ground explode into cubes and rockets go whrrr.
Evangelion pioneered this angle/shot. I think there’s also some other stuff in the show’s direction that proliferated via Gainax animators.
All thanks to Katsuhiro Otomo
Normalgays out.
None of those used UI in the same way as Eva did. Please rewatch all of their works.
nothing in EVA is really special honestly. GITS had a bigger impact on the industry for a non animator Oshii was a visionary
No it didn't.
>GITS had a bigger impact on the industry
And nobody is denying that. You're the one saying that Eva had none.
More like Akio Jissoji with that shot in particular.
I think one of the most visually distinct features of Evangelion was its focus on using UI to express the tension of a scene.
I’d say any anime made after it with shots like that is probably due to Eva.
All because of Oshii, Otomo and...Tomino
You are literally just throwing names out at this point. The UI shit is basically Anno's autism. They are the generation of animators that think the more details you can place in a sequence the better it is
>Yutapon Cubes
Disgusting.
>How can you say that when multiple creators have cited it as direct inspiration?
It's one thing to inspire writers to create their own shit, but it's another matter if we're talking about shaping an entire foundation that others can build upon. In that regard, Evangelion didn't really do anything. Gundam did the whole deconstructing the whole super robot genre already.
The machines are not superheroes but tools of warfare used against actual humans instead of aliens or monsters, the conflicts are politically motivated with shades of grey on both sides, the main characters aren't invincible superhumans (outside of Domon and a select others) but rather very vulnerable individuals who are often treated as victims of war themselves who either come out worse or better after the whole thing is settled, and in general the notion that even if you win war this time, another war will just spring up down the line because that's human nature in general.
All Eva really did was focus even more on the psychological damage aspect while ignoring everything else that Gundam did with the topic. Really, it's greatest contribution would have to be its visual storytelling. Evangelion had a lot of memorable shots, with the opening alone still being a banger both in visuals and song.
Super robots manga were highly political and 0079 is a yamato rip off
Nukes bad m'kay isn't really that political.
Have you read Getter Robo? Ishikawa compares the elites to reptilians and has a bunch of political references. Giant Robo starts with a conspiracy to steal the secrets of the Japanese and so on ... the genre has always been politicized only Mazinger Z and other Nagais series were dumbed down
That's not political in the sense you think it is.
It's the same shit ishikawa politics still go a little deeper but you know what ? I don't care
>It's one thing to inspire writers to create their own shit
The extent to which it did is not "small" in any way
>it's greatest contribution would have to be its visual storytelling
And that's not small either
I'd say Lucky Star rather than K On and I'd also include Haruhi in there.
That’s a good one two. I was thinking digi-charat at as well since that was kinda like “Proto-00s Moe”
You would have to be moronic to try to downplay the influence Eva has had, and I say that as someone who isn't fond of Anno himself.
What influence does it have? He didn't do anything special people who worked on his show were working everywhere. The industry has always been highly connected. I think people like Kon, Miyazaki and even a non-animator like Oshii had more impact with a more distinguishable style.
>What influence does it have?
for one, there's all the copies like rahxephon and tomino's brain damagd. then theres the fact that all the shows have asuka and rei clones. finally a lot of animes are more psychological because of eva
Anime became psychological because of the innovations of Ghibli studio and Katsuhiro Otomo productions. Every decade saw an improvement in practices by 1990 this was everywhere.
Ghibli is the last thing I'd call psychological.
Eva was the first show I would say was explicitly psychological.
Shows like Gundam and Ghibli stuff may be psychological in the sense that they depict realistic human behavior. But Eva was throwing around terms like “Hedgehog’s dilemma” and direct references to psychologists in a way that pretty clearly reverberated in anime that came out after it.
You need to watch more anime asap.
Been working on it, seen nearly 500 at this point.
Though I’m still working my way through “classics”.
It's not a matter of numbers or reddit charts.
Rahxephon is inspired but also is pretty damn different. It’s closer to Raideen than EVA.
Brain powered is nothing like EVA outside of the biological mech and I don’t know why everyone keep saying it’s a EVA rip off, they must have never seeing it.
You haven't seen raideen.
This anon forgot the insane levels of commercialization Eva inspired.
eva is way more deep and psychological than any other crap that was being made.
>Useless roasties
>meaningless spy plot
>Lots of filler episodes
>Only one interesting character and he is the protagonist
EOE condensed the whole series into less time. you don't even need to watch the show to understand what's going on.
EOE >>>> REBUILD >>>> Manga >>>> Maybe the TV Show
You sound like a teenager who just watched Donnie Darko
You sound just as silly; for one thing that 'filler' is some of the best content in Eva
Not really. Nothing about Evangelion is particularly deep since the entire conflict boils down to good vs evil with a wimpy ass kid being forced to pick up the slack cause everyone around him is useless at doing it.
Gundam on the other hand always focuses on the human conditions, politics of war and the effects it can have on society. The major conflicts are shades of gray where both sides are equally terrible more often than not as opposed to Eva which focuses on giant monsters trying to kill humanity while some madman who couldn't get over his wife's death wants to perform instrumentality in the middle of it.
It's the other way around actually.
It's the other way around actually.
Eva has never been particularly deep. At it's core it's just a coming of age story where a flawed kid learns to accept his and other's flaws. All the psychological terms and religious imagery are ultimately there because they look cool rather than for any sort of substance. And that's a large part of eva's legacy, the spawn of the 3 deep 5 you but not actually shows that dress up a simple theme with such things. The main difference is that while eva was aware of it being fluff for the sake of looking cool it went over the head of most of it's imitators who took it at face value.
the image has significance for shinji character arc and other broad themes. It's a great COA story but I prefer how EOE made it. The show is hard to watch
imao not even close.
This post nails it
Nope. Nice try.
No thank you. The last thing we need a gundam show that actively loathes the people watching it.
>Believe EVA is a critique of escapism
Anno never did that. in fact this homie pander to otaku crowd
Oh he is more than happy to take their money. Doesn't mean he doesn't hate them though, which stems from his own self loathing.
Fanboy Headcanon EVA is a coming of age story with a ton of references. Anime is pretty self referential in its own right and no one claims shit like Dragon Ball is a deconstruction of anything because Akira keeps referencing stuff.
What the frick is this moron saying.
People have mistaken the references for something deeper when it's not that, it's at most a callback to old stuff.
G-Reco was literally calling every single Japanese right-winger moronic for being in favor of military buildup.
If you though G Reco loathed the people watching it then pretty much everything Tomino has done since Turn A has gone completely over your head. G Reco especially.
Tomino shitting all over that mentality isn't subtle at all.
How do you get that conclusion from that anon’s post? What makes you think G-Reco’s audience was people who are pro-military buildup?
>we don't need a gundam show that hates the people watching it
>but what about g reco
>g reco doesn't hate the people watching it
By following the conversation.
I replied to the wrong guy. Meant to reply to
>The last thing we need a gundam show that actively loathes the people watching it.
are you for real Black person? He's very aware of his otaku roots and does everything out of love. This man is actively trying to keep tokusatsu alive
Tomino doesn't even want to work on anime kek
>help me /m/ this dude told me I have to go outside, HE LOATHES HIS AUDIENCE
He likes to conjure the spirit that makes these old works stand out (humanistic bureaucracy for goji, seijin intrigue and secret identity for ultra, stylish musou bossrush for rider) and said roots really show in that capacity. He respects the appeal as well as the material itself.
There's more plot in Gundam than all three of those combined (and fwiw I am saying this as a bigger fan of Ultra and Rider than of Gundam). CCA is (or was, rather) a huge Japanese cultural touchstone for the franchise. Hard to imagine him working MSG through CCA into one film.
are you actually insane?
rebuilds are a spit in the face of every Eva fan.
you aren't an eva fan. you're an eva hating spammer.
???
it's one of my favorite anime's
you're a fricking moron
>anime's
ok this is bait
your whole life is bait if you think rebuilds are worth shit.
keep sucking annos dick like the moron you are.
Unicorn and G-Witch already swung through with the soulless rehash of stuff already done countless times.
Anno doing a “Shin Gundam” or “Shin Macross” would be pretty neat.
However he said he would never do a tv show again so these would only happen as OVA/ONA or as films.
Which honestly I wouldn’t mind since it means a higher production value.
I’d love to see what he would do for it.
Considering how much of an otaku he is and seeing his non-Eva shin projects I have a feeling he would just remake Gundam, but in the vein of something like Macross:DYRL.
That would be neat.
Alternatively he could go the AU route and make a completely original Gundam universe. It would be pretty neat to see that done in a single film.
gotta love how eva gays are still pulling the
>3deep5me you don't get it masterpiece kino
after all these years even when the rebuild shit happened
Getter Robo > Evangelion
Getter Robo GO is so much fun
Pipe it down, Juan.
The Boomer Quartet says no.
How about letting him do something new for himself instead of using old and/or someone else's existing IPs?
What's with the extreme Anno shilling recently ? It can't be about Shin Kamen Rider
Could just be bait. New eva kit maybe?
>Anno shilling
One of the best /m/ directors doesn't need shilling.
I'm pretty okay with that, but putting EVA up with the others is kind of sneaky.
Well, he does want Eva to become a franchise like the others on the pic, you know?
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST PUT THIS POPULAR CLASSIC ANIME UP WITH MY FAVORITE SHITTY 70S SHOWS WITH BAD WRITING AND ANIMATION
Are you being moronic on purpose? That's not what the post wrote or even implied. Also
>live action
>animation
LMAO
Yeah, we need Shin Evangelion first. Considering how Rebuilds ended, you could make it take place in the Shin Cinematic Universe very easily.
>Shin Evangelion
That's what Rebuilds are called. Anno considers them a part of the series too.
Weird take considering Ultraman, Godzilla, and Kamen Rider are decades old toku style franchises who expanded from their initial roots whereas Evangelion is an anime series who has only ever focused on the story of a single cast and has yet to grow from them.
If anything give us Shin Super Sentai.
>Shin Super Sentai
You mean Shin Gatchaman.
>Weird take
Shut the frick up.
It's true though
Frankly it's just more the fact that if you're gonna include Kamen Rider then you might as well include Sentai to round out the quartet.
Seriously, they even made a fricking Megazord out of the four. You have Megazord and you don't include Sentai in it? For shame.
Gorenger and JAKQ didn't have giant robots and Battle Fever J possibly got weird rights issues, like Toei's Spiderman.
Something more modern like Jetman is better left to Inoue, who is still kicking.
He famously loved Hurricanger, but it would be a very weird shift from the rest of the Shin series.
In the first place, I don't think that Sentai fits with the rest of them.
>Gorenger and JAKQ didn't have giant robots
They don't have to or rather frankly Anno and his people could make new ones since it'd be a remake after all. It's just weird you have two giant monster heroes and only one human hero and off to the side this weird anime kid who jerk offs to comatose women's boobs,
>Anno and his people could make new ones since it'd be a remake after all
Yet he wouldn't. There's a reason why the SHOCKER Riders were riding sports bike-style Cyclones that is the same as Hongo's/Ichimonji's instead of the dirtbike versions that were used in the deleted scenes. He's just that fricking autistic.
Remember when Gundam was placed alongside Ultraman and Kamen Rider as one of Japanese heroes?
It's like that and not some toku vs anime thing.
I have a feeling that he wouldn’t be interested in Gundam. Live action kaiju and tokusatsu have been like his dream projects since he was very young obviously, but an animated legacy title like Gundam might be a whole other deal. Not saying it’s impossible but I feel like the last thing he probably wants to involve himself in is animated mecha.
I want Anno to make a new original anime, either movie or TV series, doesn't matter if mecha
>TV series
Not happening.
Original anime movie is fine too
He worked on Gaia Gear so give him that.
Tomino doesn't even seem that against japan having a military, he's opposed to the fetishizations of war as something glorious.
I assume you wanted to reply in
thread and mistook tabs.
Shin Ultra was fricking disgusting and an insult to the series, Evangelion was garbage, Shin Rider was terrible. Not sure why people constantly dickride Anno when he's terrible.
t. zoomer that wasn't a fan of any of the series before Anno made the Shin version
>oomerposter is moronic
Every time. I adore Ultraman, that's why I can tell you Shin is completely fricking terrible, although oomerposters are braindead.
Shin is pretty good, I don't get the hate for it.
>I adore Ultraman, that's why I can tell you Shin is completely fricking terrible
It's average at best. The most important thing it got right is how Ultraman is very much a being of goodness and protects people because it's the right thing to do.
Zoffy though becoming an antagonist and Zetton turning out to be the Ultra's personal side b***h that destroys planets for them is pretty out of left field. That was probably my only major complaint about the film.
I liked that change.
Honestly I wouldn't mind as much had Zoffy's logic made any actual sense. He considers humanity too dangerous a species to live when in the movie itself they barely do shit that warrants that designation. It's other aliens making a mess of things at best with humans essentially being tossed around from one to another.
Then later because they managed to blow up Zetton and thus showed their determination to live that he decides to spare them instead? That's flimsy as frick. You either do something with certainty or you don't, you don't go from wanting to intentionally genocide a species one second to suddenly deciding to befriend them the next. Even him being an alien does little to excuse it. Just makes him look flaky.
I don't think it's flaky at all given what humanity accomplishes and the circumstances. They accomplish it with help, but that's the point of the story: what becomes of humanity's agency when it's caught between overwhelming forces, none of which they invited? Ultraman's sacrifice gets Zoffy to reconsider because Zoffy isn't a hardline psychopath, just a concerned fellow-traveler making a kneejerk judgment call that can afford to have a condescending perspective because he can zip around all over the cosmos.
Yeah idk I liked it.
Zetton being an alien weapon of mass destruction actually felt threatening, moreso than just another goofy giant man to fight.
Similarly, after Zabora (a standard giant monster) it is immediately mixed up with Zarab, a doppelganger, and Mefilas, who decides to leave. Anno selected a good sample of different stories that aren't just "Ultraman beats giant guy" over and over again.
What's there to get? Zoffy doesn't think they're dangerous TO HIS KIND, he specifically thinks they pose a thread "if they gain the ability to become giants" - a power which has only even surfaced on Earth due to the meddling of Mefilas and Ultraman. The "help" they receive at the end is Ultraman paying that back.
Shin is better than anything Ultraman has produced since Mebius, if not Tiga.
>dickride
I've honestly nerver seen anyone using this term express anything of worth
What if Tomino did his own take on Eva, Godzilla, Ultraman, and Kamen Rider instead?
>What if Tomino did his own take on Eva
he did, and it was ass.
The last time they threw Gundam to a meme director loved by normalgays we got IBO. Lets not repeat that mistake ever again.
Would Anno even accept doing a new animated work again?
why wouldn't he
Beside the EVA stuff, he has not directed anything animated in a really long while
because he's been working nonstop since 2015~
>Sunrise should let him do something with Gundam
So he could take another hot steaming turd on another beloved childhood franchise?
All this responsibility and success and he's still this perma-irritated guilty weeb who feels the need to pull the ladder up after himself. "Waahhh liking mecha is bad" he says. "Waahhh guys should get out of their house and get a gf" homie what about those of us who HAVE and watch to watch a fricking movie with her?
I love his stuff (except for Rebuild) but he neds to just accept himself and move on. You can't be a shy adolescent for 50+ years.
>ruined evangelion
>wanting him to ruin gundam as well
I mean there's not much left to ruin anyway, given the recent trainwreck
>ruined evangelion
Bait.
It can't be bait if its factually correct
I'd be interested in seeing Anno do any kind of real robot show with the kinds of elaborate combat operations that EVA had
Anno for some reason seems to think that forcing a consortium meeting in whatever government institute that runs the place into the movie is art.
It isn't. It's fricking boring, in the first place, and also meaningless. He could do great things if he weren't so fixated with that kind of bullshit.
Watch more anime.
ignorant pleb
He had a hand in making mechanical designs for Char's Counterattack, but I'm thrill with him involving in anything more than a designer. Shin Kamen Rider is a let down for me.
Why were you let down by Shin Kamen Rider?