Superman is a relic. He can’t capture the imagination of the current audience because he’s too outdated. However it’s easy to fix him.
>drop the journalist angle; shit’s boring and he should be using his brain more otherwise he comes off as a cheapskate homosexual
>drop the small stories about him saving random morons; keep it all high stakes with super threats
>make him use his brain more instead of being a flying brick
>have him travel the universe and frick hot babes instead of pining over some roastie career b***h
>more Sci-Fi less traditional capeshit
>no Jesus/Moses/Whatever allegory; just a Super Man doing the best he can
>scale back the powers to something tangible while still keeping them Super
There, fixed. Superman shouldn’t be some homosexual moronic nonsense about being a “symbol of hope”. Fricker is a capeshit character that people grow out of. Instead he should be the Absolute, Super(ior) Power Fantasy for boys, period.
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Make him gay.
They already turned his son gay
Okay.
But they can still make him gay
Done. People is already tired of it.
>It's this copypasta again.
Even with the same first reply...
>Superman shouldn’t be some homosexual moronic nonsense about being a “symbol of hope”
Why do you have to be like that? Superman is a symbol of hope because of his relatability since he comes from a simple background of being raised by the Kents. He's a being that all can inspire to be. A man despite being simple can overpower obstacles that stand in his way simply by using the power that he inherited from alien blood and knowledge from his father's crystals, and charming most with his impossibly good looks
You Superdaddygays are unironically embarassing and I wish you'd drop dead tomorrow. You're doing a diservice to a character you claim to like, but in reality you're just infantilized morons looking for your absent daddy figure.
If you want people to die because they like things you don't like you might want to look into other characters to read about, you were never going to be a fan of Superman.
He’s just a fan of the one true Superman
He was free. But than this dumbass decided to use a magic artifact and transform himself into Cyborg-Superman again.
>how dare you not turn this character into some warped different thing you must not actually like the character
I dont like when they make a character I like a Black person, and everytime dumb Black folk like you try to change superman it turns out like shit.
>Superman is a symbol of hope because of his relatability since he comes from a simple background of being raised by the Kents
Absolute bullshit. There’s a reason kids always pick Batman and Spider-Man out of the 3. No kid can relate to being a 9-5 journalist, barely any can relate to being a farmer, and absolutely no one wants a stuck up b***h for a love interest. You either relate to the school kid with cool powers or want to be the billionaire with cool gadgets that brings out your cool edgy side. People now only act like Superman is some mega untapped wasted potential because we’re so starved for Superman content. Man of Steel wouldn’t have grossed any more if it was “better”, it was the baseline for public interest in Superman. Superman is popular because he’s iconic, the superhero standard, but almost no one would name him their favorite. It’s not 1938, frick the red trunks, much of the character is a relic of the past, OP is right. The superdaddygays ideal version would only work as a carefully crafted period piece, as a modern flick chiseled by standard industry effort it’s another mediocre slog of a capeshit. The symbol of hope stuff was only ever pushed inside his own comics, no one irl sees him as the symbol of hope. You know who is a symbol of hope irl? Jesus. Ironic isn’t it? Hack Snyder using allegories to strengthen Superman’s objective perspective. I wonder why he gets so much flack for it when other series underline their stories with mythology all the time. I suppose Christianity in particular is a touchy subject.
>There’s a reason kids always pick Batman and Spider-Man out of the 3
Kids are dumb. More news at 11.
>the Kents
Fricking nobody lives like the Kents anymore. No one in this day and age would be raised like Superman was raised and nobody with Superman's Powers would ever act like Superman. It's an antiquated backstory that needs updated. Just like the rest of Superman, he's a character from an age gone by.
>But he's supposed to act like a boy scout and be an "Inspiration" and a "Symbol of Hope"
News Flash it's 2022. Nobody cares about some buff super guy standing on building, flying down to save kittens from trees while talking about "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" because said values have been dead for decades.
It could work if they updated Clark to come from an Amish family. When Clark goes on his pilgrimage he discovers a world in disarray and uses the values and morals with his powers to be a hero. By day he works as a social worker.
They've already done 'Superman but with Amish parents'.
>turn Superman into another character
I hate you "people" so much.
SigmaMan
why not just say you want daddy omniman already
You have given them an ideal to aspire to, embodied their highest aspirations.
They will race, and stumble, and fall and crawl....and curse....and finally....
They will join you in the sun, Kal-El.
They will stumble, they will fall.
But in time, they will join you in the sun.
In time you will help them accomplish wonders.
Truly a white Kryptonian's burden :')
Someone’s gotta do it, these shitheel terrans gotta be the basis for New Krypton.
>I miss Ma and Pa
People want human beings to relate to. Not Gods to worship. You want an ideal to strive for. Go to church.
And therein lies the appeal of Superman. A relatable human with the power of a god.
Git Gud moral skrub
Share the Kyrptonian technology with the humans Clark. Medicine, computer technology, holograms, building techniques, gardening techniques etc. The entire knowledge of Krypton is hoarded in the crystals not helping people while Clark laughs as people stumble, fall and crawl while SUPERMAN flies above. He trickles a bit out to Cadmus as if its some great achievement. Bruce should have made a copy of it by now and released the information through Wayne Enterprises. That would do a lot to explain the crazy amount of money he blows through.
No sane person would share technology with Cadmus, they're either corrupt or ineffective.
Want people don't realize is that this shit sounds like literal Jesus and then wonder why people do not relate with the character.
Black person, it’s just more foreshadowing for One Million
Yeah, we should also drop his secret identity, take away his dumb outdated costume, take away his dumb outdated powers... or even make him gay.
same thread again, just going to post hot pics of supes
Reed Kal is a GOAT look.
The grey is a good look, he lost the grey hair at the end of Warworld right?
nta but here's a warlord one
For what it was, I liked Planet Superman. Wish it was longer and didn’t involve the New Gods.
thanks for the new pic
>graying temples
>black S
>sometimes a high collar suit
das it mane
Doesn't Superman canonically hate doing the bulletproof trick around innocent bystanders because of ricochet/shrapnel potential?
That is literally the worst possible pose to protect those people in and the worst possible place to stand to do it. He should either be shielding them with his body like the mother or rushing the gunmen. One bullet flies between his legs and they're dead.
thread theme
Superman is a relic of a time when people thought a big strong man could throw crooks, sleazy businessmen, and corrupt politicians in jail and people's lives would improve in measurable ways. That one man in the right place could make a difference.
People aren't so naive nowadays, and the majority understand that the villain is not the crook, the sleazy businessman, or the corrupt politician, but the masses of people who either reinstate their power or replace them with copycats. A Superman for the modern age would have to fire heat vision into a crowd of civilians to enact change.
Superman's faith in his fellow man and the systems that govern society is what makes him so unbelievable and, ironically, alien to us. It is easier to believe that a man can fly than believe in Superman's heart.
People like you are why we’re at this point, that cynicism is poison.
You need to lighten up, life’s not all bad.
Crooks, sleazy businessmen, and corrupt politicians have more power now than the uneducated masses every could.
We need Kal-L back, he’d beat them all into submission then slap the gay out of Jon.
Honestly, this is just sad. The fact that you so completely don't understand the idea and draw of this character just goes to show how deeply clinical and depressing you are.
You have my pity
It’s a childrens character, you fricking dunce. Adults did not used to think that a single person roughing up wife beaters and gangsters would solve society’s problems. I’m so embarrassed Sri share a hobby with you drooling idiots
>Superman is a relic. He can’t capture the imagination of the current audience because he’s too outdated
False.
>However it’s easy to fix him.
Indeed.
>>drop the journalist angle; shit’s boring and he should be using his brain more otherwise he comes off as a cheapskate homosexual
The journalistic angle IS using his brain.
>>drop the small stories about him saving random morons; keep it all high stakes with super threats
That's the opposite thing you want to do.
>make him use his brain more instead of being a flying brick
Indeed.
>have him travel the universe and frick hot babes instead of pining over some roastie career b***h
Nah, that's gay.
>more Sci-Fi less traditional capeshi
Or both.
>no Jesus/Moses/Whatever allegory; just a Super Man doing the best he can
That would be ideal.
>scale back the powers to something tangible while still keeping them Super
That's literally all that needs to be done with him. Just nerf him so that he's not invulnerable so that you don't need to keep raising the stakes to challenge him.
>Superman shouldn’t be some homosexual moronic nonsense about being a “symbol of hope”.
Yes he should.
>Instead he should be the Absolute, Super(ior) Power Fantasy for boys, period.
Being a symbol of hope and a power fantasy are not necessarily contradicting things. You're just too short sighted just like the people who are mishandling Supes.
The entire point of Superman was that he was a farmer's son given godlike powers. Change that, and it's not going to appeal to anyone more than the already existing ripoffs.
It was to remind everyone the virtue of the yeoman, iin a direct lineage of thinking from Jefferson himself.
Wasn't a farmer's son at the start
Easy solution to that. Have Superman come out of the closet and admit that he is gay and that he have been in a relationship with Lex Luthor for years. Their public fights? Nothing more than a coat to hide their affection for each other. Kon-El? Superman and Lex's lovechild that Lex created with Superman's consent.
>giving DC ideas
The fact that they haven't done it yet when they've been enemies so long and had a designer baby together means they'll never do it for real
wee need more lex and supes, lex is the ultimate yandere
It's like a super-hero version of Miike Snow's Ghengis Khan.
thank goodness you're just some loser who lives in his mom's basement and not anyone in any position of power at DC
>that picture
Ironic, since that image is the result of another person totally consumed with cynicism and pettiness that desired to destroy a different inspiring character.
You are the worst possible writer for Superman and every comic book character ever. I pray this is bait and that you never write in any proffesional manner for anyone and business
He does this all the time, we just hijack his threads and talk about Clark.
After how manny changes on the character it stops being a rework and becomes another character?
Honestly if you are gonna be like that, do what Alan Moore did and make your own character inspired on the idea of Superman.
sounds like you just want Stardust the Super Wizard
>we fix Superman by making him not Superman
Every time.
He hasn't been a journalist for a few years now.
Honestly, I prefer Clark being a journo in his younger years then a farmer in his older ones.
Though I’d frame it as Clark giving up his career to focus on Superman and honouring his responsibilities as a son by taking over the farm.
Rebirth pissed me off by having him and Lois give up their wonderful farm and move back into the city
>Rebirth
I think this was done for BENDISISCOMING, by that time they dropped the Rebirth taglines since Johns wasn't getting any faster with DCck
Superman fails because he can hear and see the entire world all the time. There is dissonance because Superman CHOOSES who to save. Superman doesn't need to eat or sleep but he does both.
Superman dates, works and socializes with friends. That is fine and well when you can't instantly be alerted to danger or don't have to schedule time to patrol or maintain a secret identity.
Superman is not human but uses human excuses to justify his wanting to fit in over being a hero. While he pretends to sleep people are in danger. The worst part is that he KNOWS but doesn't care. That is why Superman is a relic. Every other hero has to divide their time and can't be everywhere.
Superman is a hack gloryhog that wants his cake and to eat it. He larps in his fortress and in Metropolis but won't commit to either.
Superman having kids with Lois is wild wish fulfilment that should only be possibly with Blue or Gold Kryptonite and Lois would have to be under constant red sun radiation to prevent the pregnancy from destroying her.
Martian Manhunter does Superman's job better anyway. He properly integrates into many communities to change systems from within.
Captain Marvel does Superman's job better because he is more relateable as a regular human with a good heart that BECOMES a hero to help when he CAN but still has human limitations.
Meds now
Not an argument. You can't refute what was said because you know it is correct.
Superman is an alien that wants to fit in and be special.
Bill was an butthole but he was right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_cEoK1mXms
The points you brought up would be more valid if Supes didn't exist in a universe filled with powerful metahumans and cults worshiping alien gods. His efforts are better spent fighting super villains than taking every cat on earth off a tree. While supes possesses nearly infinite physical attributes but it's mentally taxing. In their natural environment Kriptonians are not that strong which means that the powers are not "natural" to them and it takes a lot to use them as well as Clark did. In fact when batman got his powers and tried to save everyone all the time he ended up going insane having a break down.
>His efforts are better spent fighting super villains than taking every cat on earth off a tree.
You're absolutely right but what does every person that champions Superman as a man of the people post? Clark helping old ladies cross the street and getting cats out of trees. Those are PR feel good stories.
The BvS movie had a point about Gotham being a shithole but went in the wrong direction by attacking Batman instead of helping him fix the problems.
Gotham and Metropolis are sister cities and Gotham is a shithole. Superman can hear and see everything on Earth and while he pretends to sleep just a city over is filled to the brim with poverty and crime on every level. A Superman that can ignore that and hoard vast amounts of Kryptonian technology that could improve the lives of every person on the planet is an butthole regardless of how many villains he faces. If anything he does that to keep his Earthly playground around.
Champion was the perfect term for Superman, he only wants to fight to prove his own supremacy.
>Clark helping old ladies cross the street and getting cats out of trees.
It's not ether or anon, what it means is that he stops burglaries and gets cats off trees when he's not fighting Braniac and Lex.
>Kryptonian technology that could improve the lives of every person on the planet
What? His allies like the members of JLA and Star Labs have had excess to his tech for years, but reverse engineering something that's centuries ahead of your own tech may not be that easy or else any number of alien tech would have changed the world forever. Think of something like boom tubes for example.
>He taints legal proceedings with his presence and dismantling operations.
Kinda like most superheroes...
>Superman doesn't have to be a dictator to disallow certain forms of oppression by other humans
What does he have to do then?
>Kal-El wasn't born on Earth
Debatable, if you go with the birthing matrix retcon yes he was.
>Jon was born on Earth and was absorbing radiation from gestation.
As was stated previously Supes didn't develop powers until puberty John was something of an early bloomer getting his at around 10 but he had zero powers before that as far as anyone can tell.
>he ended up going insane having a break down
Nitpicky but he lost it because he was uncharacteristically moronic enough to always work in darkness and drain himself while working 24/7
Also this thread is stupid. Just do what they did when Superman was popular and reverse the Byrne "symbol of hope" bs
>Just do what they did when Superman was popular and reverse the Byrne "symbol of hope" bs
Not the anon you were talking to but can you elaborate on this? I’m not well versed in the history of Superman and his comics. I thought the symbol of hope thing was always a thing.
I always thought it was Waid in Superman Birthright.
It was Donner (or one of the scriptwriters, or the art director/costumer) who decided that the S shield would be replicated for all the Kryptonians shown and it would represent a house (heraldic) standard).
It was Waid that decided to put it on flags, walls, etc. to represent Kryptonians generally, and that became used by more writers that it was a symbol that represented hope, versus a glyph that stood for the House of El and enough used one or the other, so DC (and a lot of fans) just use both interchangeably.
But yes
, it wasn't hope until the 2000s with Waid.
Absolute Schizo, I want to hear the ramblings of a mad man commie cuck.
Wrong again. Believe it or not, strong Capitalist. However, being fiction and taking the totality of Superman into account the logical conclusion is that Clark likes the power that he has and the dual nature of wanting to maintain "human" relationships. In doing so he supresses Kryptonian knowledge from being shared, and willingly chooses to forgo helping as many people as he can to maintain his Clark persona. That is literally true.
Clark is a relic.
Calvin Ellis and Val Zod are relevant.
Imagine Lois getting blacked like her sister Lucy.
Frick that. Icon is a much better Black Superman.
Icon is a bad joke that Cinemaphile puts on a pedestal because he's a Black Republican. The whole point of the old comics was that he was wrong and out of touch.
The new comics have the right idea, making him into a more neutral figure
ITT: OP schizoposts an argument with himself, with different IPs
>>drop the journalist angle; shit’s boring and he should be using his brain more otherwise he comes off as a cheapskate homosexual
What does that even mean? If anything Clark using his position as a journalist to expose corruption in society is an underrated angle that shows that supes has brains and not just brawn.
>>drop the small stories about him saving random morons; keep it all high stakes with super threats
Filtered, supes is a hero who helps people in need, weather it be criminals, alien war lords or natural disasters. Even Zack Schneider (kinda) got that.
>>have him travel the universe and frick hot babes instead of pining over some roastie career b***h
Literally every superhero is a massive bawd except him. Why can't there be one hero who isn't horny 24/7. Go self insert as a light novel MC for that shit OP.
>>more Sci-Fi less traditional capeshit
Supes rouges gallery is 90% sci-fi themed.
The rest is okay I guess.
Exposing corruption through journalism forgetting who owns the newspapers and media stations. He could just end the corruption himself but he lets it persist and fictional people are harmed in the process because he wants a fictional pulitzer.
Superman skips the people in need all around him which is why other heroes, many without powers, risk their lives to save the people that they HAPPEN to be able to. Superman could END human trafficking, create gardens out of barren lands, be the first to arrive during natural disasters, share medical technology, create housing for the homeless, reduce overall waste with shrinking technology, clean the oceans and air of pollutants etc.
The "Last Son of Krypton" is quite alright with remaining as such until recently and keeps a bottle city of Kandorians instead of terraforming Mars or finding another suitable planet for the Kryptonians to revive their species. What's more is that the hybrid Kryptonian doesn't make sense in a human incubator without an inhibitor until birth.
Superman does a disservice to his people by not wanting to do his part to maintain the House of El. Shame on Jor-El for not making that a directive.
>who owns the newspapers and media stations
Didn't stop the guy who exposed thranos and it won't stop Clark.
>He could just end the corruption himself but he lets it persist
How would he do that? Do you think corruption in society would go away if a sky dady punched all the CEOs in their face? Or do you want him to become a dictator, like your an actual human who would be excited at the idea of being ruled by an alien overlord?
>keeps a bottle city of Kandorians instead of terraforming Mars or finding another suitable planet for the Kryptonians to revive their species
How is it that you have heard about the city of Kandor but barely know what it is? It's a shrunken city and superman has spent days and nights trying to un shrink it. At their present state they can't go outside of the city. The only other option would be to release the phantom zone criminals and that's just too dangerous.
> that the hybrid Kryptonian doesn't make sense in a human incubator without an inhibitor until birth.
Supes didn't develop powers until puberty hit what makes you think that a fetus would have powers?
He taints legal proceedings with his presence and dismantling operations. He's not going to set things right with an article, that's why there are a revolving door of them in the comics.
Of course he couldn't stop corruption with threats of violence because he would sour his reputation and bolster accusations of tyranny. Superman doesn't have to be a dictator to disallow certain forms of oppression by other humans.
The Atom exists. Atom Smasher exists. Captain Atom exists. Firestorm exists.
Kal-El wasn't born on Earth so he had to acclimate to his powers. Jon was born on Earth and was absorbing radiation from gestation.
You're a relic
SO HERE I AM
DOING EVERYTHING I CAN
No.
The only thing I'd say needs improvement is in fact his job. But not for your reasons. Just updating for modern times.
> Clark is still an investigative Journalist, but works for The Daily Planet Online. He writes big long articles about corruption and international politics pretty much exclusively and barely spends any time "in the office" . Lois works as a Field Broadcast Journalist with her own spot on a channel 52's "The Daily Planet News with Perry White" Perry now resembling more of a John Stewart/Stephen Colbert type of persona but not as much comedy. Jimmy is still a cameraman.
>John Stewart/Stephen Colbert type of persona
I knew Supergays were moronic Ameriburger lefties, but Jesus Christ, imagine invoking Stephen "Jab Dab" Colbert...
Imagine not liking Stephen Colbert.
Man, to have such poor taste.
Not everyone is a lib in need of therapy
I get the feeling you haven't watched a new episode of Colbert in many years.
>he doesn't know about vax dance
anon...i
>Superman is a relic. He can’t capture the imagination of the current audience because he’s too outdated
Yes and no. The issue with Superman is more that no one is buying what he's selling anymore. People no longer believe in the idea of a strong centralized power being unambiguously good, nor in the good-faith socialism Superman advocated. Both his presence and his goal are simply no longer possible in the public eye. Things are getting worse, not better, and those with power cannot be trusted.
>So make it Conan but in space
You're moronic
>People no longer believe in the idea of a strong centralized power being unambiguously good
Right, and the 1970s and 80s where Superman regained popularity didn't have Nixons Watergate and Ronald Reagans war on drugs? If you think we're disenchanted with powerful men nowadays, ask your parents about the 'good ol days'.
personally i just want something like Fleischer Superman. You're right that he's way outdated and out of his depth when they make him out to be the be all and the end all of comic books, where he swats gods out of the air like they're bowling pins and singlehandedly saves the whatever-verse and how he's an in universe archetype that was formed before the universe was made and all that nonsensical crap. why can't he just be a good fricking samaritan with imposing but entirely fathomable strength and powers? and people religiously looking up to him unsettle me too. not necessarily people who love him, just the ones that behave like a damn cult, not wanting him to feel human despite claiming he's relatable because of his humanity. they want him to be Christ and want that Christ to act like the Antichrist
>can't capture the imagination
>can't remember the last time that he's not lived rent free in your heads
Batman has many ongoings, just have couple of series that focus on different aspects of Supes.
>series that focuses more on his job as journalist and personal relations of Clark Kent
>bombastic SF adventures of Supes
>good feels series about Supes helping common people
Anyway, couple of rules to remember when writing Supes
>even if enemies cannot hurt him, they can hurt people around him.
>not to mention Supes cannot be everywhere to save everyone
This is why you develop common people that may or may not get hurt/killed.
>Supes has to mind collateral damage
This one easily allows you to force him to be smart during fights, even if he has a power advantage
>give him some villains deserving saving
What is more inspiration than Supes guiding villains onto heroic path? You can also have people with uncontrollable power, or forcibly transformed into monsters.
In general, you don't have to put Supes in situations where he fights somebody more powerful. You don't need kryptonite to balance things out. You only need to find a way that forces Supes to be cautious about the situation.
Only criminals hate Superman.
>Superman is being Superman in the 1950s
>Time travel shenanigans ensue
>Superman now in modern day but with all the values and legacy of being 1950's superman
Literally just do what they did with Captain America it's not fricking complicated.
Hating Superman is peak midwit
My take on a modern Superman would be to have him be a young reporter who just moved to metropolis, he's been Superman for less than a year and is still trying to figure out the right way to be a hero, while fighting gangsters in Metropolis, the most powerful criminal organization in Metropolis called "Intergang" have access to alien weaponry. The B plot would follow Louis Lane trying to find scoops for daily planet, while dealing with the newcomer Kent, there's something strange about this guy she just can't put her finger on it. Meanwhile Jimmy Olson would be a younger brother figure for Clark and also his confidant often having to cover up for him when he runs off to be Superman. Superman rouges gallery would be re imagined somewhat to modernized or made more "creepy" (it worked for Riddler in the new batman it could work for Toyman.)
>Fricker is a capeshit character that people grow out of.
The entirety of capeshit is childish fantasy you're supposed to grow out of. If you think you're too "mature" for Superman you're too mature for superheroes.
OP is a psychopath. He wants comics to create more people like him.
You know it's bad when satan calls someone a psychopath
They already fixed him by making him gay anon, since 90% of Millennials and Zoomers are queers now apparently.
Superman's comics don't sell.
The arguments ends with that.
Comics don't sell period you twat, the fact that comics with a bat logo sell a bit better doesn't mean much outside of the fact that DC sucks at selling comics, not like they care anymore since they became an IP mill for WB to make shitty CW shows. I swear If I ever see this shit meme I will walk into the barbershop next to my home and make columbine look like a fricking joke none of you gays look good wearing beards.
The problem with Superman is really a problem with the fans. Unlike other franchises Superman fans tend to hold their hero to extremely high standards instead of consooming everything associated with him, this is generally a good thing except for the times some of them throw a fit because a panel shows superman drinking beer with his dad.
On the other hand we have Marvel Zombies, Bat Cultists, GoKEK copers and other superman haters who know in their heart of hearts that Superman is THE superhero, they cope by wining about how they can't relate to him or using "power scaling" to prove that their guy would beat the man of steel. Everyone who isn't them sees their non arguments for what they really are, but then you shart eaters keep making the same thread and you keep loosing the same argument over and over again which does not stop you from trying again. Your persistence would be admirable if you where not regurgitating the same arguments ad infinitum.
>Supergay claiming supergays is the reason Superman is hated while acting like a total supergay
Oh the irony.
>Oh the irony.
No irony here, just the truth.
>superman drinking beer with his dad
Not gonna lie I remember that, and drinking beer is pretty fricking lame.
It increases estrogen and is a pretty unmanly thing. Superman should know 100000x better than consuming drugs, yes alcohol is a drug. Not just for the physical factors but societal factors. Superman doesnt need to poison himself body like most people in society.
And also I dont drink that shit and also its nice reading a character with some standards.
Supes has a super metabolism and poison immunity that make sure a single beer will have less than zero effects on Supes. Further more, it's not wrong to be a social drinker as long as you don't ruin your health I say that as a non drinker who detests beer on sight.
>America's love of freedom is a relic of a time before the technology existed to make fighting the State head-on as suicidal as it is today.
With things like torenting sites, tornado cash, and 3D printed guns the people have become more free in many regards.
>eleutheromaniac idea that humans can and will tame Gods the way we "tamed nature" in the past
What?
>you live in a society, you've always lived in a society, and there will never be a day you don't live in a society. No bottom text.
An individual can exist without the society but a society is a union of individuals and cannot exist without them.
>3D printed guns
Have fun 3D-printing a nuke. Your device is being tracked, either way.
>What?
"No Gods, No Masters" is a common "libertarian" slogan. They are against all authority, even the ones prescribed by nature, but I repeat myself.
>An individual can exist without the society
Unless you're diabetic, or demented, or have osteoporosis, or Münchmeyer disease, or Down's syndrome, or...
>society is a union of individuals
That forms naturally in the absence of any overriding order, yes.
>Your device is being tracked, either way
>Tracking device in a 3D printer.
How's that tinfoil hat treating you and what does this have to do with superman?
>They are against all authority, even the ones prescribed by nature, but I repeat myself.
Nah man tell me about the authority and how it's proscribed by nature, such as the authority of the guy who broke into your hose and stole you PC.
>That forms naturally in the absence of any overriding order, yes.
Holly naturalist fallacy batman!
device in a 3D printer.
Nice reading comprehension. And yes, every "smart" device you own is a tracking device, what makes you think they'd be allowed on the market if they weren't?
>what does this have to do with superman?
Scroll up to my original post if you're lost.
>tell me about the authority and how it's proscribed by nature
Name a single human settlement that has never formed any sort of government.
>naturalist fallacy
Pointing out that something happens naturally isn't a fallacy, and waving your arms and incanting "fallacy, fallacy..." isn't going to make it vanish in a puff of smoke.
>every "smart" device you own is a tracking device, what makes you think they'd be allowed on the market if they weren't?
Except not all or even most 3D printers connect to the "internet of things" which is a prerequisite for most things to be considered "smart devices" plus it's not like there's a law banning "non-smart" devices (not yet at least) but hay that's probably why you don't take your meds after all they might have smart nano bots in them.
>Scroll up to my original post if you're lost.
So none at all? You made a statement backed it up with frick all and proceeded to congratulate yourself. Loss of superman's popularity is not in fact tied to some nebulous nonsense about the loss of freedom that we have supposedly had and if you think you are less free than the people living through the great depression I have some beach front property you might be interested in.
>Name a single human settlement that has never formed any sort of government.
https://mises.org/library/medieval-iceland-and-absence-government
>Pointing out that something happens naturally isn't a fallacy, and waving your arms and incanting "fallacy, fallacy..." isn't going to make it vanish in a puff of smoke.
Being natural does not make something good or desirable especially if better alternatives exist.
>Except not all or even most 3D printers connect to the "internet of things"
They connect to your computer, which connects to the internet, which means the State can see whatever weapon you'd like to print for yourself.
>that's probably why you don't take your meds
Meds were the best thing that ever happened to me.
>the loss of freedom that we have supposedly had
You had two years of it happening to you in real time. Luckily for you, ignoring it is the same as embracing it, so you're good.
>Medieval Iceland
"Has never." A lot of eleutheromaniacs have trouble reading, I find.
>especially if better alternatives exist
What's your "better alternative" to society, then? Surely, such a revelation would be worthy of a Nobel prize.
>They connect to your computer, which connects to the internet, which means the State can see whatever weapon you'd like to print for yourself.
The government doesn't really collect everyone's data, it would take too much man power and resources even for the state. What they do is buy meta data from corporations that sell it to the highest bidder. There are a number of things you could do, such as installing Linux on your PC of course that does not mean that you are invisible to the state but it's better than windows/Mac OS. If you wanna go balls deep into privacy look into Cali Linux and Tails.
>Meds were the best thing that ever happened to me.
I'm glad to hear that anon, I hope your doing well for yourself times may be hard but it won't be that way forever.
>You had two years of it happening to you in real time.
If anything the last three years have not been the easiest, and I have had a hard time but change is the only constant anon, if things can get worse they can get better too.
>"Has never." A lot of eleutheromaniacs have trouble reading, I find.
All societies fail sooner or later, statist or otherwise but when the statists fail the conclusion isn't usually "Governments don't work" curious isn't it?
>What's your "better alternative" to society, then? Surely, such a revelation would be worthy of a Nobel prize.
A society that does not suck and respects the individual. YOU have the power to participate in the kind of society you want or to help bring it about.
>it would take too much power to collect the data that's already being streamed into your home, and millions of others, right now; never mind hackers creating nigh-invisible spyware for all manner of devices, or everything else the "alphabet agencies" don't tell anyone about
>glad to hear that
Yeah, they really made me who I am today.
>if things can get worse they can get better too
They will get better, in that the State will grab more power after the days left of diesel finally runs dry and amidst all of the chaos entailed in that.
>conclusion isn't usually "Governments don't work"
Governments have always worked, some governments just work better than others.
>All societies fail sooner or later
And they're always replaced by another society, funny that.
>A society that does not suck and respects the individual
Been done, in the 1700s on a little continent separating the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Resulted in a bloody war, the Crown getting sick of their shit and telling them, "Fine, keep it!", and one of the biggest jokes of a "State" ever founded.
>Yeah, they really made me who I am today.
Hope things keep getting better for you anon.
>They will get better, in that the State will grab more power after the days left of diesel finally runs dry and amidst all of the chaos entailed in that.
Wait what!? So people are loosing hope and can't believe in supes because the government took freedoms away but things will get better when the state claims yet more power?
>Governments have always worked, some governments just work better than others.
Modern nation states have not existed for most of history so it depends on what you mean by government working.
>And they're always replaced by another society, funny that.
Hopefully ones that don't suck and are more free.
>and one of the biggest jokes of a "State" ever founded.
An yet their the biggest super power currently in the world funny how things work out.
>it would take too much power to collect the data that's already being streamed into your home, and millions of others, right now; never mind hackers creating nigh-invisible spyware for all manner of devices, or everything else the "alphabet agencies" don't tell anyone about
It would take a lot of effort to vanish completely off the radar but if Snowden pulled it off it means it can be done. Plus there is significantly less malware created for Linux distros because of relative obscurity which is all the more reason to switch.
>So people are loosing hope and can't believe in supes because the government took freedoms away but things will get better when the state claims yet more power?
You misunderstood me; I never found Superman relatable, and I've also never found the pursuit of freedom noble.
>Modern nation states have not existed for most of history
Telling that an eleutheromaniac sees the word "government" and can only think about the narrow band of time they've been alive.
>don't suck
>more free
Pick one.
>the biggest super power currently in the world
Currently, and by sheer luck.
>Snowden pulled it off
By hiding in a State that's hostile to the US, and one significantly less ideologically possessed by the concept of freedom. Funny how that works out.
>eleutheromaniac
You again.
>You again.
Who dis?
Oh, what of it?
>Oh, what of it?
Did you post on other Superman threads or something?
A few.
Do you usually go on rants about Superman being bad because of "eleutheromaia" or are you only this charming today?
Superman is 'bad' because he appeals to the eleutheromaniac delusion that the weak should conquer the strong. Kal-el is conquered, not by a military that would do nothing to his superhuman powers, but by being raised in one of the worst places you could raise a God: the United States of America, where he is fully absorbed into a centuries-old cult of drunken, freedom-worshiping terrorists. He comes to believe here that it is normal for humans to want freedom to such a degree. So never mind being easily the most powerful thing on your current home planet, or the fact that any attempt to wage war against you would be futile---they don't want to be "controlled" or "enslaved" by you, or else you'd be a "tyrant," so don't. It's only a message of hope for an eleutheromaniac who fears God the way a child fears the Boogeyman.
>As technology races forward so does humanities ability to bypass our old limitations for better AND for worse
And technology will bypass us. What then?
>And technology will bypass us. What then?
Why would it?
>. He comes to believe here that it is normal for humans to want freedom to such a degree
Superman like most superheroes represents chivalry and adheres to it. From knights of the round table to the Samurai with their code of Bushido thought to impose ideas of proper conduct upon those in power. As Greek mythology often shows, left to their own devices the strong bring about their own downfall. The way out of this is through chivalry.
>Why would it?
Why wouldn't it?
stop responding to mooregay
>stop responding to mooregay
Who?
>The government doesn't really collect everyone's data
NTA but they absolutely do.
>NTA but they absolutely do.
They gather meta data from people based on data provided by Social media, Internet Service providers and everything else they can get their hands on. (You) Do not have your own personal CIA glowBlack person until you become a person of interest, and even then things like wire tapping are not done easily or without a warrant.
>You misunderstood me; I never found Superman relatable, and I've also never found the pursuit of freedom noble.
That is concerning, It seems to me like you cannot trust yourself to be free and except everything that comes with that. Your inability to trust yourself then informs every belief you hold starting with what characters you relate to and including your beliefs about society and the world.
>Currently, and by sheer luck.
I don't think so.
>By hiding in a State that's hostile to the US, and one significantly less ideologically possessed by the concept of freedom. Funny how that works out.
The Russians are positively opposed to the concept of freedom but Edward is smart enough to hide in a country that wouldn't extradite him immediately. Another country that's good for that is Switzerland. which is one of the most free countries in spite of being a monarchy, your right it is funny.
Also:
>Telling that an eleutheromaniac sees the word "government" and can only think about the narrow band of time they've been alive.
The band of time I have been alive has nothing to do with this. Feudal kingdoms, and principalities, hunter gatherer tribes, have predated nation states in the modern sense this is a fact.
>It seems to me [armchair psychologist lecture I've heard a hundred times now]
I love this episode.
>Feudal kingdoms, and principalities, hunter gatherer tribes, have predated nation states
Thank you for helping me prove my point.
>I love this episode.
>TFW the episode where anon is wrong about politics, society AND Superman
What is this a crossover episode?
>Thank you for helping me prove my point.
Help yourself, anon especially since most of the things I listed lack attributes of a modern nation state, (tribes especially) and you stated that there where ALWAYS states/governments. It seems like you need to work through a lot of internal turmoil and pain anon It's okay if you don't see things my way and perhaps you never will but perhaps you will come to see things differently one day or at least see things a little differently.
>most of the things I listed lack attributes of a modern nation state, (tribes especially)
And?
>you stated that there where ALWAYS states/governments
Yes. Tribes are a type of Government. As are feudal kingdoms and principalities. As technology improves, so does the efficiency of the ruling Authority. Sure, you may come into power and purge all the "statists," but the whole time, you'd be doing so as a State. Welcome to the Revolutionary's Paradox.
>Yes. Tribes are a type of Government.
The way your putting things seems like you think that I oppose every possible form of social organization that can exist. tribes did not in fact have a large state apparatuses or bureaucracies to enforce their whim, feudal kingdoms largely didn't collect taxes etc. Your trying to make my beliefs look unreasonable and you continue to fail because you do not understand my beliefs and you can only make arguments based on your misunderstandings as well as your flawed understanding of human nature, the nature of industrial society, progress history and any number of things you don't have a solid grasp of. I was really hoping to get temporarily banned by /misc/ posting, so I could more easily focus on other things. If this works you have my thanks.
>seems like you think that I oppose every possible form of social organization that can exist
You don't? Because that would be the only consistent position an eleutheromaniac would have.
>tribes did not in fact have a large state apparatuses or bureaucracies to enforce their whim, feudal kingdoms largely didn't collect taxes
And they were crushed by neighboring States who were more efficient and had a better grasp of power.
>you do not understand my beliefs
I couldn't give less of a shit if I was addicted to opiates.
Eventually, perhaps soon, the State will clamp down on every bit of power it has. Technology will be built to increase the strength of the State, and the next great war will be won by the most ruthless Authority on the map. Your eleutheromania will be seen as a sickness to future generations, and future copies of 1984 will be written as explicit instruction manuals, instead of the implicit one we currently have.
Keep your bliss, there's nothing wrong with this.
>You don't? Because that would be the only consistent position an eleutheromaniac would have.
The fact that you can't be bothered to understand the beliefs of others shows how bad you are at arguing to quote Arestotle “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” And you are clearly uneducated.
>Technology will be built to increase the strength of the State, and the next great war will be won by the most ruthless Authority on the map
That's not what happened the last few times we had a world war now is it? In fact authoritarian states collapsed while the ones that are relatively free have survived. As technology races forward so does humanities ability to bypass our old limitations for better AND for worse, every empire in the history of the human race has collapsed inevitably, and the glee with which you describe the downfall of "eleutheromaniacs" or whatever is more than a little disturbing. Not to mention the fact that you are excited to live in 1984 and see it as an instruction manual. I would not want to live in a tribe but the fact that people still choose to live that way to this day says something doesn't it? In contrast to that every empire from Roman to Soviet has collapsed.
He wants the world to become 1984 because then he'll be satisfied in knowing that he's right and that all who laughed at him are either dead or in the gulags.
>>>drop the journalist angle; shit’s boring and he should be using his brain more otherwise he comes off as a cheapskate homosexual
Wrong you worthless homosexual.
You brainless fricking cretin.
Being an investigative journalist is the most interesting thing about Clark.
Drop the messiah complex, that shit's moronic.
Batman fights crime. Superman fights corruption.
Superman is a relic, in the same way that America's love of freedom is a relic of a time before the technology existed to make fighting the State head-on as suicidal as it is today.
Superman is a representation of the eleutheromaniac idea that humans can and will tame Gods the way we "tamed nature" in the past, because they forget that humans, and the States humans build, are part of nature.
Reminder: you live in a society, you've always lived in a society, and there will never be a day you don't live in a society. No bottom text.
Is OPs pic one of the concept arts for the un made film "Superman: Flyby"?
You "fix" will sell for one year then we'll get back to classic Superman. It's always been like that and will always be.
Superman may be outdated but he still represents an ideal that many people aspire to. Superman stands for hope, truth, justice, and everything good in the world. He will always be a powerful inspiration for many people, young and old. Superman is a relic in the sense that he is one of the earliest comic book characters, but he is timeless in the sense that he has stood the test of time and continues to inspire people to be the best they can be.
Please, just die already.
jesus christ how do these threads keep getting made?
People keep giving out (you)s
>no Jesus/Moses/Whatever allegory; just a Super Man doing the best he can
Supes should be a trickster and someone who does secret tests of character to people. Both criminals and normal citizens to either make them realize what they are doing is wrong and have to change for the better, or to stop them from doing something that would hurt them and those around them (not to mention their own and everyone else's futures).
And for hardcore criminals he should go Super-Dickery mode on them, but have the criminals he catches/defeats go through cool and unusual punishments. Some even downright hilarious.
>Supes should be a trickster and someone who does secret tests of character to people
Wasn't that Golden Age Superman? At the very least he was a total troll
>Wasn't that Golden Age Superman? At the very least he was a total troll
We need this Supes. This is the definitive one.
>Give superman a mullet
All problems solved.
They really do need to bring that back. Clark is one of the select few who can pull it off (one of his long list of powers)
A man of equisite taste.
If Superman were real and read this thread he'd be disappointed in a whole lot of you for missing the point of him. He'd still fight for you and save you if you need saving, but he'd be disappointed in you.
>If Superman were real and read this thread he'd be disappointed in a whole lot of you
What if it was Superboy Prime?
>What if it was Superboy Prime?
The kid who unironically believes that bad guys should be bad and good guys should be good and shades of gray pretty much don't exist? Who threw a huge ass tantrum at his beloved heroes becoming edgy? You're asking how he'd feel about the edgefest that is Cinemaphile?
This is what bugged me about Black Adam, he only wasn’t a hero according to Hawkman’s strict black and white sense of justice but by all accounts he was a hero, and not a single other character cared that BA killed. The movie tried so hard to convince us he wasn’t a hero.
He'd fight supervillains in gladiator combat because it is a fun exhibition of his abilities when he has to always hide them. He'd help people if they happen to be in his vicinity or somewhat related to someone that he cares about.
Meanwhile Superman is "sleeping" while Gotham is RIGHT THERE.
>Superman counts crime in Gotham like counting sheep while pretending to sleep next to Lois.
>superman is supposed to patrol Gotham now.
Why don't the Flash or Green Lantern do it? There's at least five of them on earth.
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot Superman was bound by Metropolis.
Yes, Flash and GL should have frequent appearances in Gotham. There is no such thing as too many capes there. The difference though is that Superman can hear every cry for help. Smell the gunpowder and blood from every back alleyway and abandoned factory.
See the shipments of contraband shipped daily unless they're all lead-lined.
Gotham is the hub by way everything illicit flows.
>Gotham is the hub by way everything illicit flows.
Hub City would like a word.
Hell, Bludhaven is constantly portrayed as year one Gotham with how corruption still lingers in the legal positions of power like the commissioner's and mayor's office.
>The difference though is that Superman can hear every cry for help. Smell the gunpowder and blood from every back alleyway and abandoned factory.
Superman can turn his Super hearing on and off when he's not using it. If he couldn't he would have gone mad like Plutonian did in Irredeemable.
Again. That is why Superman can't be anything more than a Gladiator champion that occasionally does good but not a hero.
A hero doesn't turn a blind eye to problems that they can fix. Every other hero works to exhaustion to do what they can, can't be everywhere and can't be alerted to everything.
For those with monitoring systems they have to triage what they can do and they still can't help everyone.
Plutonian's plight is much more tragic and relateable because he wants to but can't.
There are a few comics that depict this with Superman but they ring hollow when they show how much time Superman spends in costume monologuing.
>A hero doesn't turn a blind eye to problems that they can fix.
You're right. But a hero also knows when "fixing a problem" might end up making shit worse. Superman had to learn this lesson when he thought he could help Gotham during No Man's Land.
>My shitty bait thread got archived, let me post it again, maybe this time it'll get replies
And it actually worked. This board is fricking moronic lmao
Why do you care? Just have fun shitposting, if OP can shitpost by creating this thread you can shitpost in it.
I don't like it when uncreative buttholes get what they want just by doing the bare minimum
Superman is the magical girl trope to a t
just make him a Superwoman
Shuster used to draw Superman in skirts and shit anyway.
He was never masculine, he wears fricking gogo boots
Was Superman always such a highly debated character or was that the result of Snyder’s movies?
Lost all ground in Post Crisis and Superman IV was a flop. Batman 89 finalized the process that began in the 50s with the gradual ascension of Batman to the spot of flagship character.
The first crisis? I know there are multiple. An anon in another thread mentioned some cb writer that also thought crisis ruined Superman, I forgot who it was. When was Superman at his peak pre-crisis? I want to know more about the history of Superman’s character and the discussion surrounding him, how things ended up so heated/divisive/controversial.
COIE
He was at his peak in the 1950s
Snyder's movies are the logical conclusion to applying the comics lore in as close to the "real world" as possible. Everything has weight, every action has consequences. The execution wasn't perfect by any stretch and Snyder's own personal tragedy played a great part in why the films didn't proceed to their fullest extent.
The biggest flaw of Man of Steel was John Kent because while protective, he was a coward and greatly influenced why Clark was such a sadsack.
The Smallville John Kent was an excellent portrayal and who the movie should have emulated to a great degree. A man that wants to protect his family but always does the right thing, regardless of personal cost. Clark saving John and the townspeople embracing his secret like the train scene in Spider-Man 2 would have been a great moment and showed the small community coming together.
One of the problems of designing a good Superman costume is that you need to break up all the blue in his costume which is usually done with red trunks. As far as alternatives go I think pic related looks better than no trunks.
>Superman redesign has a mullet
I will now buy your comic
>I will now buy your comic
It could, but there is no reason it should especially if handled with care.
Response meant for:
>if handled with care
The whole point is to make it smarter than us. Once it surpasses us, bypassing us would barely even be a calculation.
It would be difficult to create a machine that's truly beyond human in every aspect but if you did then you have created something you can't understand so by definition you can not create predictions of it hence "the singularity" however it would also transcend our animal urges so just because a thing happens in nature doesn't mean the A.I would be bound by it. That said humans could frick them selves very hard by mishandling it hence the care.
>I will now buy your comic
Based mullet appreciator, also if you can post pics of Supes with a mullet I would appreciate.
here u go
I like the idea of Superman as the "adopted son of earth" would it be a good idea to have a story about Supes traveling the world and trying to stop disasters while fighting some world threatening villain? I read this one manga one shot about Superman traveling the world to taste different food it was extremely comfy.
Instead of having 20 gorillion stories of "oh look Batman needs to save the world from fascist Superman" i think it would be interesting if they made a story where Batman goes full authoritarian and a mostly depowered superman needs to use his investigative skills and limited strength to bring him down. It's also much more in line with their characters
Superman
>Hope
>Truth justice and the American way
>I can't rule them
Batman
>Surveillance
>Paranoia
>Brother eye
>Warrantless searches
>Torture
>Clear need to have control
>a story where Batman goes full authoritarian
Bat Kek and the multiverse of edge come to mind, especially all the tomes the main earth Superman fought him and did very well as far as I remember. That said I don't like the idea of depowering supes every time you want to tell a halfway decent story.
Batman is also a huge hypocrite.
Reminder that in the Justice Lords universe Gotham was as clean as Metropolis. That universe's Batman found an opportunity after Flash died and the Justice Lords was founded. They cleaned up most crime and when the biggest threat, Doomsday was eliminated he put his plan into action and they went into the "prime" universe to put the other members away
>The Justice Lord bots will be used to maintain order under Batman's control.
>Bruce saved his universe.
They tried all that already. It doesn't work, because that's not why people read Superman. People want to see a man do things they wish they could do, they want to read about a man they wish they could be. If that's not what the book ends up being people will drop it.
Superman is literally an isekai protagonist complete with cheat powers. He's just the shittiest isekai protagonist imaginable. All of the broken, none of the fun, constructive, or likeable.
I don't believe Superman would help a demihuman slave revolt overthrow an evil king. In fact, I think he might help round up a escaped slave demihuman rebel alliance for thieving to support themselves.
Japan sorted this shit out. If you're gonna give someone cheat powers and toss them onto an alien world, you should have them actually fricking exert their will on that world, for good or bad. Else they just look like an butthole. Superman should be terraforming Antarctica or something and then ending up at war with the rest of the rest of the world because his utopia's attracting too many immigrants or something nonsensical like that.
>I don't believe Superman would help a demihuman slave revolt overthrow an evil king.
Anon, we literally just got done with a Superman story arc of him doing a slave revolt to overthrow an evil king.
On his home planet, chud. Space adventures where he has no accountability don't count.
When have you ever seen an iseikai protagonist that looks like he lifts?
>When have you ever seen an iseikai protagonist that looks like he lifts?
Superman gets his sustenance from the sun and can't even train his muscles due to superstrength. He only looks like he lifts because westerners fantasize about being fit.
And fit isekai protags are a thing.
Pic unrelated? Supes earned his powers way more than any ideikai protag ever did. Besides the true sigma male of iseikai is John Carter of Mars, ironically one of the inspirations for superman.
>John Carter gets a Princess
>Superman gets a bratty reporter
Superbros, not like this…
>Supes earned his powers way more than any ideikai protag ever did
By inheriting them from his parents? Motherfricker didn't even get killed shoving a random person out of the way of a truck.
>didn't even get killed shoving a random person out of the way of a truck.
Except when he did?
>By inheriting them from his parents?
By learning to master his powers, training with the likes of Batman and being a formidable fighter even without his powers. Most shonen protags mog iseikai protags in terms of being an aspirational heroes to say nothing of the Man of Steel.
>Except when he did?
Superman could have shoved Doomsday into the Source Wall at any time and he didn't do that shit to earn his powers. It's easier to be a hero when you've already got fricking superpowers.
>By learning to master his powers
Isekai is 50% experimenting with powers, 30% home life shit, mostly cooking, 15% shopping, mostly for slaves, and 5% plot.
Just say you don't read isekai.
>Superman could have shoved Doomsday into the Source Wall
If he was a new god with a mother box maybe? It's okay if you don't like western comics, just don't make arguments based on things you don't not understand, for the life of me I can never understand the people who go out of their way to hate something. I don't like Steven Universe but you don't see me starting starting threads to shit on it.
>Just say you don't read isekai.
That goes without saying, but then again you don't read comics and feel like you know superman well enough to talk about how bad of a character he is so why can't I talk about iseikai?
>It's like saying you earned your inherited fortune by studying finance so you know how best to spend it. Makes zero sense.
A better analogy would be a naturally strong person training to fight more effectively and help those in need. Wealth is a bad comparison here.
Wouldn't matter much because Superman trapped Doomsday in the Phantom Zone which is the next best thing, and he escaped. Not to mention the fact the fact that Superman does not have access to boom tubes on regular basis in most continuities.
I started this thread
You really need to work on that reading comprehension anon. In case you didn't notice this thread was started by a superman hater for no reason other than giving his shitty hot take on how to "improve" Superman.
Here's a pic to go with that.
>Wouldn't matter much because Superman trapped Doomsday in the Phantom Zone which is the next best thing, and he escaped
Actually he just punched him really hard and then dead in the story you were referencing.
Also the phantom zone is not the next best thing to the fricking source wall. That'd be Limbo.
>Not to mention the fact the fact that Superman does not have access to boom tubes on regular basis in most continuities.
Superman literally fricking had a motherbox during his second fight with Doomsday and could easily have gotten one before his first fight just like he does before his second fight.
I thought you said you read comics?
Not to mention that Superman has access to Cyborg, who has access to boom tubes.
>Actually he just punched him really hard and then dead in the story you were referencing.
You where saying?
>could easily have gotten one before his first fight just like he does before his second fight.
How do you figure that? And why does it even matter? Your arguments are based on some hypothetical thing he should have done as if it says something about the character at all, making him "unworthy."
>You where saying?
That's not death of superman. That's a much later encounter. I literally never fricking said clark never sent him to the phantom zone.
>How do you figure that?
Because he provably easily got one in their next encounter
>And why does it even matter?
Because it provides a provable guaranteed kill
>Your arguments are based on some hypothetical thing he should have done as if it says something about the character at all, making him "unworthy."
He's not unworthy. He's an idiot. He's not fricking Thor.
>That's not death of superman. That's a much later encounter
Irrelevant to the purposes of this discussion since your complaint is that Superman should have trapped doomsday in another dimension, the fact that Doomsday matched superman in nearly every aspect isn't a factor you are willing to consider because then it becomes obvious that superman would use the mother box, the phantom zone projector or anything else at his disposal and he didn't because he couldn't and he did when he could which is what that panel shows. Previously you stated that the second fight Superman had the mother box but I'm pretty sure he didn't and that Doomsday had developed new powers such as flight the first time he returned, meaning that even if Superman had a a boom tube or a phantom zone projector or anything else of this kind it may not have been optimal, plus I'm not even sure if you are referring to New Earth, Prime Earth or some other universe. So the argument is moot.
>Because it provides a provable guaranteed kill
It clearly does not as villains have escaped the phantom zone, the source wall, and any number of extra dimensional prisons before.
>He's not unworthy. He's an idiot. He's not fricking Thor.
He's the best superhero you don't have to like it but it's true.
>since your complaint is that Superman should have trapped doomsday in another dimension
My complaint is Superman should have trapped Doomsday in a prison he knows works.
>Previously you stated that the second fight Superman had the mother box but I'm pretty sure he didn't
You're fricking wrong.
>plus I'm not even sure if you are referring to New Earth, Prime Earth or some other universe. So the argument is moot.
I'm referring to Doomsday's first 2 fricking stories you fricking casual. God fricking damn, no fricking wonder I reference the Death of Superman and you drag out shit from Rebirth.
>the source wall
Nobody has ever escaped being imprisoned in the source wall. Anyone that has ever gotten out had to be released, either by a Kryptonian pulling them free or by the wall being destroyed by actions on the outside. It's a perfect, insurmountable prison in universe.
You do not read comics.
>He's the best superhero
Spider-Man exists. Hell, Kamen Rider exists.
>Nobody has ever escaped being imprisoned in the source wall
Point taken, granted Yugahan has escaped the source wall, he is one of the strongest new gods and it took him eons to escape the source wall it proves that this is possible and has happened before meaning doomsday could escape.
>You do not read comics.
I try to keep up with stories old and new but some I miss happens to everyone.
> I reference the Death of Superman and you drag out shit from Rebirth.
Does not matter because Rebirth Supes and New earth supes are pretty much the same person. They think the same which means that Superman would have done anything in his power to stop him the fact that he didn't trap Doomsday in the source wall shows that he could not rather than he would not, Superman was overflowing with solar energy and essentially manhandling Darkseid and forcing him into the source wall, which would not work against Doomsday as he has overpowered Darkseid and superman both on separate occasions. Based on what I could gather the story you are referring to is Hunter/Pray Superman did in fact posses a mother box at that moment among other things he conjured weapons to aid him against doomsday and it was still an extremely difficult fight. All of that ignoring the fact that mother boxes are conscious beings in their own right.
>Spider-Man exists. Hell, Kamen Rider exists.
Great heroes in their own right however superman is the greatest as he arguably inspired every modern superhero in and out of universe, as well as being the greatest champion for truth and justice. Your argument seems to be that Superman:
a) Doesn't care enough
b) Isn't smart enough
Both are demonstrably false as he is a great hero but like any man, the man of steel has limitations the fact that they are inconsistent sometimes is the fault of writers not characters.
>doomsday could escape.
1. Darkseid is afraid of Yuga Khan.
2. Darkseid is not afraid of Doomsday.
3. Yuga Khan is currently trapped in the Source Wall.
>Great heroes in their own right however superman is the greatest as he arguably inspired every modern superhero in and out of universe, as well as being the greatest champion for truth and justice.
Lol. Lmao even.
>1. Darkseid is afraid of Yuga Khan.
Sure he is extremely powerful.
>2. Darkseid is not afraid of Doomsday.
U wot mate did you forget the time Doomsday tore Darkseid a new butthole?
>3. Yuga Khan is currently trapped in the Source Wall.
Last I checked Billy Batson had his powers for a time and even then he almost escaped the source wall again.
>Lol. Lmao even.
Is this your catch phrase or something? It's kanda lame but but you keep repeating it over and over again for no reason.
>U wot mate did you forget the time Doomsday tore Darkseid a new butthole?
Beating Darkseid and making Darkseid feal fear aren't the same thing dumbfrick. And if you don't understand why those would be different, you need to read more comics.
>almost
Lol. Lmao even.
>Beating Darkseid and making Darkseid feal fear aren't the same thing
Irrelevant, I'm scared of my dad when he gets drunk and starts shouting obscenities at the wall doesn't mean he can beat Mike Tyson. Both are very hard times but Superman has overpowered Darkseid more times than Doomsday.
>Lol. Lmao even.
Based on your personality, I suggest the catchphrase "wabalabadubdub" it suits your personality well.
>Is this your catch phrase or something?
It's what moronic kids say when they can't say anything else and want to seem like they know what they're talking about
>Me after Superman takes me to the T-posing planet
Also
>implying I started this thread
Lol. Lmao even.
>By learning to master his powers,
How is that "earning" anything? It's like saying you earned your inherited fortune by studying finance so you know how best to spend it. Makes zero sense.
>isekai protagonist
>isekai protagonist
>fun, constructive, or likeable
You need to stop watching anime.
make Superman stop the Jan 6th attack and he'll be relatable and likeable again.
Make him stop the May 29 attack, first.
Or the 9/11 attacks. Or the Boston Bombing. Or the New Years Eve rape gang attacks in Germany. Or the BLM riots which had hundreds of innocent people caught in the crossfire. But DC and WB will never let Superman actually save the world. Because that wouldn't be politically correct.
No wonder people like Homelander more these days. At least that guy actually kills terrorists.
Superman is hated only by limpwristed fascistical homosexuals and trannies. They can’t understand a good hearted free man’s man.
Why is the black and red S shield such an amazing look? I think it's one of the best alternative costumes for Superman.
>Why is the black and red S shield such an amazing look?
Because it tickles the edgelord peepee.
Because it's emblematic of when Superman was a man and not some commie ideal
40s Superman wasn't a socialist, he was a liberal progressive populist.
Fletcher Superman Kino will always be one of the best versions of the character to me.
digits don't lie
idk but I soiface everytime I see it in media now. It just looks fricking good
It evokes a Stop/Caution/Warning/Danger sign.
Your typical default STOP sign is red and white though.
I listed 4 signs. The Triangle caution signs are often red outlined with black image inside denoting the nature of the threat.
>The Triangle caution signs are often red outlined with black image inside denoting the nature of the threat
Not gonna lie anon. Cinemaphile is the last place I'd ever expect someone to find out they're color blind.
Life has many signs Anon.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs
>uk
No one gives a shit about the UK.
Because it’s the look characterized by the best Superman.
This pic fits the thread btw
>comes back this thread
>remake of an identical thread that archived yesterday
>this one has 230 replies
wtf, dude I hope you enjoyed your yougasm OP
>There's anons still falling to OP's schizo-posting over and over and over and over again
Do you even know that the "Superman is outdated" thread has been done for months?
You know, people praise Golden Age Superman for a reason. He does things and not worry about arbitrary consequences happening for every action.
You could say that it's boring but it's more boring to not do anything substantial.
Hell, even DCAU Supes say "frick it" most of the time.
Superman is a foreigner who integrates and fights for the American way. Clark is humble and as a journalist is the guardian of freedom.
Today foreigners do not integrate and fight against the American way because the American way means the White way. To be humble today is to be a doormat and an icon of duck porn. Journalists are the enemy of the people and hate freedom.
If Clark were a real person in 2022 he would be a White supremist because its the only group left that respects what he fought for. Write him as a fascist. An unapologetic fascist who sees the small bill he grows up in turned into a brown ugly third world. He wipes the tears from his eyes and burns the nonwhites to ashes and travels America as a human holocaust.
Absolutely not. Even at his most Injustice-like Superman would disavow any ethnic supremacy and would instead sow his oats among women of all ethnicities ushering in the dawn of the reign of the Supermen.
Ahem.
>Clark is humble
>I can't kill people because I need to be the one incorruptible symbol for THE WHOLE COUNTRY/PLANET/UNIVERSE/MULTIVERSE for nonlethal heroism
>No matter how many people need to die to serve my ego
>And even though there are tons of other nonlethal heroes
Zack Snyder already fixed the character by making him more flawed and realistic, as well as presenting him with monumental challenges
For all it's flaws NOS had great potential as did DCEU as a whole. I honestly think things would have been better if Warner allowed Zack to make MOS 2 before BVS came out.
Or can we just weaken or remove kryptonite? Superman already has enough weaknesses, and a lot of Supelike characters work fine without it.
Kryptonite is supposed to be rare and very hard to replicate but writers forget that with replicated Kryptonite being about half as effective.
Push Martian Manhunter! Let my boy J'onn shine.
What does Martian gayhunter have to do with anything in this thread? Who even cares about him?
I do anon... The last son of Mars should be embraced by his planetary neighbor Earth. J'onn comes from the next planet over and has to hide his appearance while Kal comes from multiple systems away and no one is the wiser to the slouch and glasses trick. Lois only cares about Clark because he wussed out and told her that he's Superman. Lois Lane is the original Felicia Hardy.
you say that after invicible being such a hit. it just needs a good writer