What's the logic behind the existence of skyscraper tall mechs in supposedly "realistic/real robo" shows like Gundam? Wouldn't it make more logical sense for them to be smaller? They'd consume less power and be harder to target in battle..
Tall mechs in "real robo" anime
Looks cool. Frick off.
better reach/sight
Actual answer
Go ahead OP. Tell us how they'll manage to miniaturize all of the systems even further than the 15 meter mark. Go ahead. Tell us how they'll fit every single system a mech needs, plus power source, plus pilot, plus weapons, plus propulsion systems, etc. in a 5 to 10m machine since you're so logical.
Make a mech smaller than a Rafale actually work logically OP. Do it.
>What are ATs from Votoms
>What are KMFs from code geass
None of those work logically.
Neither do Gundams
Yet an F-15 is 19.43 meters long, which is larger than the RX78-2.
Victory Gundam is the same size as the F-16 and Rafale.
>skyscraper
the gawain is like 2 stories tall max.
KMFs are so small.
Are you stupid? A fighter jet experiences the most force in only one direction and is a solid structure.
And when they're on the ground they lay on their longest side.
An MS is putting all that weight on 2 relatively small surfaces and then shifting constantly with its moving parts.
>And when they're on the ground they lay on their longest side.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say there, but I hope you realize that airplanes have landing gear that supports their weight while on the ground.
Yeah, mobile suits are, if anything, oversized outliers among real robot series and among the least realistic because they ought to be about as dense as a blimp to weigh what they're supposed to.
Given the equipment present in the majority of these series, most "real" types are too small and too energy inefficient to do anything presented, especially with pilots on board.
A fricking Abrams is 10 meters long and 3 meters wide and can only traverse 3 miles an hour while burning through literal jet fuel as its primary energy source with 1/3rd of the entire machine being the engine and fuel reserves.
Your mini "real" robots are the least realistic just by the nature of everything they do versus their size. Unless they have some kind of super efficient quantum reactor dumping pure photon energy that's the size of a V8 there is no logical means for any of them to even be able to move under 15m.
Abrams are a lot faster than you think they are.
An Abrams tank can go about 45m/ph over open roads, and runs on a variety of fuels. It can use jet fuel, but it can also use regular petrol or diesel. Tanks in general can travel a few dozen miles per hour. Not 3. It's only the very earliest tanks during the first World War that were limited to such low speeds, and even then, most of them could travel about 5 to 10 miles per hour. Advancements post war meant tanks were travelling 30+ miles per hour within a few years of the war, and had settled into contemporary speed brackets of 40ish miles per hour within a few decades.
What's funny is that, going off this thread, people are willing to accept the fantasy of limbed robots with dexterity and agility to rival a human but draw the line at being below a certain size as no longer being "realistic" and/or "reasonable". It's all fictional future tech. Mobile suits in Gundam are already powered by fictional cold fusion reactors, which had been convincingly disproven as a possibility with a few years by the time the original show was made, just as a way to explain such a small reactor powering said giant robots and they all have super efficient reactors that are handily out done in produced power by a lot of current vehicles (even the Turn A's black hole reactor produces less power than a passenger jet like a 747), but it's impossible to imagine a reactor smaller and/or more efficient despite those already being made up?
>people are willing to accept the fantasy of limbed robots with dexterity and agility to rival a human
Uhhh...
>ey all have super efficient reactors that are handily out done in produced power by a lot of current vehicles (even the Turn A's black hole reactor produces less power than a passenger jet like a 747)
Gundam stats are pure nonsense and best ignored. Aside the laughable generator outputs and weight already mentioned, there's also weapon power: the RX-78's beam rifle ought to be about able to peel the paint off of a modern armored vehicle.
>people are willing to accept the fantasy of limbed robots with dexterity and agility to rival a human
how the frick is that a fantasy lmao, it's barely even a near-future scifi now
The thing with Mobile Suits is the fact that they're originally space based. The limbs act as ambac to help stabilize the suit in zero g and also deliver good punches and kicks if you wanna get particularly savage.
how are ATs not logical
extremely fragile besides glancing hits, turning pegs, powder actuated punches, shots will pierce body, small enough for current hydraulics with a lil sauce, workable, iron based, etc
Gundam's Mobile Suits are closer to spaceships than walking thanks.
>What are KMFs from code geass
Perfection.
>Spaceships are closer to spaceships than Mobile Suits.
Fixed that.
homie it's a fricking drawing in a fictional setting, you can say anything as long as it fits its setting. Stop responding to shite OPs.
Power armor has been a thing in fiction since forever, and it's the closest one to seeing actual use in the military. Extrapolating on that and making a 3-4m tall machine isn't a big deal.
You know what isn't realistic? Having a 20m tall humanoid machine in the middle of the battlefield, begging to be taken down by the average anti-tank weapon.
Jets get away with being so large because of how they are meant to operate, they're not sitting in the ground trying to make themselves as large as possible or attempting to punch tanks with their wings.
Giant robots aren't hard sci-fi to begin with.
The entire idea of "real" versus "super" is just marketing speak for 'this show is more for the G.I. Joe audience than the Justice League one'. Don't sweat the small stuff and just enjoy some fanciful mech fightan.
There isn't any, because realism isn't what defines a "real robot" anime, just how the mecha is treated.
If realism was the prerequisite, then we wouldn't have mecha in the first place and war would feature the same kind of stuff we already use today.
Look at the Gawain in your pic, there's no practical reason for it to be so big. Most of the height is in the legs, meaning the larger size isn't due to a larger power source. There's also no reason for it to have a head with bat ears or even legs and arms. For a commander unit, having the chest and shoulder area with the engine, wienerpit and hadron cannons would be more than enough.
The Gawain is 6.5 meters to put this into perspective
Check the weight. All mobile suits are made out of future PVC. Meaning size is less of a limiting factor
UC does that by the end and then most lead/grunt mechs are quite "small" up until turn A which decides it wants another 20 metre tall lead plus fighting machines from war of the worlds that are like 40 metres
also this, the RX-78-2 starts off at 18 metres (which is a bit over the top), but then gamma gundarium is alloyed by the time of Zeta with the Z-gundam hitting 20 metres while being half as heavy as the RX
>All mobile suits are made out of future PVC
In UC. And then there's Wing suits which are straight up made out of fricking foam (Leo only weights like 7 tons).
>plus fighting machines from war of the worlds that are like 40 metres
Wadoms are cool, it's like a space battleship's main cannon on really long legs.
> In UC. And then there's Wing suits which are straight up made out of fricking foam (Leo only weights like 7 tons).
This is the case in UC too, because while the RX-78-2 has a dry weight of 43.4 tons, the Mk II has a dry weight of 33.4 tons, the Zeta has a dry weight of 28.7 tons, the ZZ has a dry weight of tons 32.7 tons (despite being marginally taller than the Zeta at the head and much bulkier), the Nu has a dry weight of 27.9 tons (despite being significantly taller than the ZZ's head height), the Xi has a dry weight of 32 tons (despite being the tallest of these suits by a significant margin and the bulkiest) and finally you arrive at the F91, which has a dry weight of just 7.2 tons. Which is functionally identical to the Leo's dry weight of 7 tons flat.
Mobile suits in UC started with weights in the dozens of tons range, but that weight was gradually shifted lower and lower relative to bulk over time and by F91 it's in the range that is just as unbelievable as any of the AUs would use. Victory, G, Wing and X all used those same general dimensions for size and weight, while the Turn A slightly beefed things up at 17 tons (though most units in the show don't have a listed weight), before SEED basically reset things to early UC size and weights for it's units. Which 00 followed, using similar dimensions for it's units too. I'd presume most other shows since have either not bothered with listed weights, or gone with similar ones (since I can't be arsed to check more).
Pic not related?
Gawain is like 8 meters tall and it's a command center/artillery machine that only has limbs to pick up stuff and traverse difficult terrain.
Try actually watching shit you're talking about mate.
Also Gundam is not "real robo", despite being credited for creating sub-genre.
It's militaristic with a lot of drama, but it's still heavily inspired by Mazinger and previous Tomino shows.
Reminder that Gundam itself is a fricking combiner.
>Gundam itself is a fricking combiner
Wrong.
>this is your average /m/ poster in 2022
Calling the core system a combiner is quite the stretch of the term
rx-78-2's default state is fully assembled and can add modular booster systems later/swap between them on the fly if the pilots are skilled enough
ZZ and Ideon are more combiner because they are made up of multiple different vehicles for different purposes besides the function of the combined mecha
the only extra part to the rx-78-2 is it's core fighter which is more of an escape pod/recon vehicle mix. The top half of the mecha is only functional with a core part ala booster docking into it
also the gundam is piloted by a single pilot
the MAIN part of combiners as a story device is team work
while a gundam lets Amuro run away into the desert
>3 separate machines combines into a single robot
>quite the stretch of the term
Calling Mazinger Z a combiner would be the stretch, but not Gundam.
the legs and top aren't functional machines without the core
Name ONE (1) show that isn't Dancouga where parts of the combiner are actually "functional" and do ANYTHING outside of their introduction in the 1st episode.
You can't.
It's the same shit.
you are aware of the existence of Super Sentai right?
Sentai is probably a bad example since most of the time they do usually cut to just immediately forming the robot. Especially in the pre CGI days where getting the component parts to do anything was a pain because they usually required stop motion model work so they did their thing once in episode one and usually only in stock footage from then on.
Ideon, ZZ, Getter?
Getter actually. They do fight with just the individual machines from time to time. In fact the original shows finale was a bombing run with the seperate jets that didn't involve forming the robot at all.
Gravion has the machines do stuff throughout the show as well for that matter. Golion and Dairugger actually have the component Lions/Vehicles do MORE than the main bot since they usually only form it at the end of the episode where it quickly wins after spending most of the fight using the components.
And while it was cancelled before it could actually get there, Baldios would have had one of it's components destroyed in the penultimate episode leading to the final battle being fought by the protagonist's component only.
So yeah, some shows do actually use the combiner pieces
Dai-Apolon where the gimmick is that the separate robots get the spotlight in the second half.
Rayearth
Zanbot 3. What a stupid post.
>Reminder that Gundam itself is a fricking combiner.
Not really no. The core block serves as an emergency ejection system than anything and allows on the fly repairs of the Gundam provided their are enough spare parts.
>They'd consume less power and be harder to target in battle..
If only you knew about the energetic double square quadratic gravitic law. But advanced physics isn't for everyone.
>it's another "logic and realism" thread
Wait till he hears about Dai-Guard
brehs I bought a caravan for my car and I think I saw my mechanic remove the tires once, am I in possession of a Combiner™?
the sizes are whatever
what doesn't make sense to me though is handheld weapons
surely mounting turrets or launchers on hardpoints would be the best option, hands will still be need to remove obstacle or interact with stuff sure that i can buy, but having hand and still using them to hand guns but bigger just seems silly to me
don't /m/ goes full moron over handcanons
>handcanons
This is what happens when you allow people to run around saying "my headcanon" with seriousness.
>what doesn't make sense to me though is handheld weapons
Handheld makes the weapons easily replaceable. Say for example you run out of ammo, it's just dead weight so might as well get rid of it. Attached generally aren't a thing either unless for example the mech in particular is loaded out with heavy armor. The general idea is to either make the mech as fast as possible or to make it a walking tank.
>What's the logic behind the existence of skyscraper tall mechs
The only sky scraper tall mechs in real robot genre that I could think of are the Psycho Gundam and Destroy Gundam. Everything beyond in Gundam that tends to be 15-20 meters in height which is about the same length as your standard fighter jet. The Universal Century did go beyond the 20 meter height limit, but that was because the reactors kept getting bigger and thus engineers in universe tried to compensate with the logical conclusion being the Xi Gundam and Penelope.
It's only by the F91 era that reactor tech advanced enough to allow them to be more compact and thus allowed for smaller mobile suits again.
>real robo
>realistic/real robo shows
>logical sense
>What's the logic behind the existence of skyscraper tall mechs in supposedly "realistic/real robo" shows like Gundam?
big gun, more armour, SHCOK AND AWE the enemy into fear
Favourite mobile suit. Favourite pilot. Simple as.
>this thread again
How does pic-related work? And can it work in some form in real life if technology was more advanced?
>How does pic-related work?
Big engines, big fuel tanks, and big guns, with Sinanju docked as a control unit. Not hard to figure out.
>And can it work in some form in real life if technology was more advanced?
No.
it's just cringe and doesnt add anything to the story
>dued remember zeong and bigzam lmao!
If you don't like the Zeong then you don't like Gundam, that's just how it is
I didn't say the Zeong or Zam were bad did I?
Many cameras all over the body.
The same way how Gundam pilots get panoramic vision inside their wienerpits? Got it.
>How does pic-related work?
It's practically a one man space station with guns
>can it work
short answer no
long answer is maybe yes in form only if some communist shithole's R&D is desperately trying to mock up a wunderwaffe super weapon to impress their emperor. That's probably not too far from how this thing got built in-universe or on a meta level.
>our faction is fricking broke let's blow our entire budget on yet another deus ex machina super MA with psyco shard that ain't gonna explain shit
>look it's the iconic Zeong but fighting unicorns in 0096 pls start clapping and buy our frick huge model kit
Gundam is objectively more realistic than Star Trek
This is after all an anime where the governing body of the Earth is perpetually corrupt
>It's a C- engineering students informing /m/ how mechs are actually totally realistic irl episode
Can't wait for the 1:1 control idiots to show up