Gotham, had its flaws, but making Bruce become Batman as a teenager was just them reaching the logical conclusion of a larger trend.
With every successive iteration of Bruce Wayne, they pack more and more major events into tighter and tighter timespans. Much of it gets jettisoned, yes, but enough sticks around that Bruce's career is still creeping forward in length. The issue is his actual age is never being allowed to push past mid-30s. It used to be mid-20s, but both Nightwing and Damian Wayne have pushed that up a decade. Damian more than Nightwing, as he is still aging, going from 10 to 14. Thus, the problem. Damian Wayne can't exist without Bruce having been Batman for 10 years, or (at minimum) having been in training with the league of assassins 10 years prior. Which, assuming Bruce starts being Batman at 25 makes him 35 when Damian appears. One easy answer is just getting rid of Damian, but leadership is too invested in the 'blood son' narrative for that to happen, and adaptations pull from whatever is being pushed at a given moment.
So if you can't get rid of Damian, and you want Bruce to be younger, then Bruce has to father him younger. For Bruce to father Damian younger, he has to have either been Batman significantly younger, or been training with the league at a younger age.
DC can't push impregnation age below ~17 to avoid people b***hing so that's probably when he fricks Talia. That said, if they're pushing the start of his career and training down, I imagine they go whole hog and push it as early as they semi-reasonably can (as Gotham did) and have him start playing Batman at a 'teen titans age' like ~15 after having gotten most of his height. Skill/competency will be handwaved by him training with the League of Assassins as a kid before escaping their grasp and him still refining, as well as depending more on stealth and technology. Robin (Nightwing) moves from being a son to more of a little brother role (it also neatly handles the 'adult man endangering child' argument), and Damian arrives when Bruce is only 27 or so. Even if/when Damian reaches 18, Bruce will only be 35 at which point Damian's age can be ignored as well.
tldr; Teen Batman is definitely going to happen again at some point, because it works.
Gotham proved you can do a Teenage Batman As well as a young adult Joker
Anon, don't act like they wouldn't market it off of possible backlash from ruining the "Purity" of Bruce Wayne. Teen Batman would have to be like the opposite/antithesis of Bob Hickman's new Ultimate Spiderman
Its not gonna happen because Batman's age at 35 was finely accepted. In fact, I read comics and always envisioned as a 37yo even before Damian.
There is no need to make him start earlier, because there is no need to have current year batman a 25yo.
Batman also took a role of mentor for the batfamily, and strategist in the JL, so him being late 30s make sense.
So no, its not going to happen. 35yo is the sweet spot.
Who the frick said Batman was 34? Batman is in his late 40's.
~35, not 34. DC says he became Batman at 21, fathered Damian inside the first year or so, and Damian is now 14, so Bruce is ~35.
Batman should be mid to late 40s considering all the sidekicks he has, but DC insists he's in his 30s.
Right idea but your timeline is off. Batman has been in his mid 30s since the late 60s. Robin turned 18 and went to college in 1968. This stuck through COIE and Zero Hour.
Damian's origin is tied to Talia's first appearance which is tied to Bruce Wayne's penthouse era and Dick Grayson's first try at college. Nobody ever retconned it. So Damian put a 10 year gap between the early 70s comics and the late 00s comics. Suddenly Batman was 40.
The easy answer is to retcon the Ra's and Talia stories so they take during the peak Dynamic Duo era instead of after they split.
The better answer is to roll back to just Batman and Robin, which hopefully DC is doing in their "Ultimate Universe" later this year.
you're thinking with a pre52 timeline, everything has since been compressed into a much tighter timeline
Can you explain the post-Death Metal timeline, then? I was under the impression that the post-crisis timeline was back. They constantly reference it.
I don't remember, tbh. At first I thought it was "he starts at 25" but then I thought it was 21 again. It might be back to starting at 25, putting Bruce at 39.
The timeline was unraveled and retuned to Post-Crisis with Rebirth.
Capullo whiffed Dick's height.
>The issue is his actual age is never being allowed to push past mid-30s. It used to be mid-20s
I've never gotten this because I never thought of Batman as a guy in his 20's when I was a kid. The comics Batman clearly looked like a guy in his late 30's and BTAS Bruce looked like a 30's/40's guys.
Keaton was playing a dad of 10 year old kids like 8 years before Batman.
Personally? I agree. Bruce should be in his late 40s by this point like anon said. But it's seemingly company policy to keep him perpetually on the edge of passing through into 40, without actually crossing the line.
it's a moot point because it's not like they celebrate regular birthdays or have to deal with aging woes like wrinkles or joint pain. Physical aging wouldn't be noticeable as much as it would be on an actor.
How old are these people supposed to be? It's fresh out of New 52, but even then if you told me Dick or Tim here were meant to be 12 year olds I'd believe you. It's cartoon art.
WB has wanted a teen Batman since the 90's.
That said Damian doesn't change anything since they already came up with the artificially aged solution, and if they do feature Damian in adaptations it'd probably be an older Batman anyway.
Comics don't really need to sweat age that much though, most art styles keep ages nebulous.
We already had a teenage Batman and it was really successful. His name was Terry McGinnis
we're talking about the real Batman though
?t=31
Go away, Joker. You're still double dead.
Batman’s perpetually in his mid 30s. Doesn’t matter if the others age, he himself never does.
Rather than traveling the world to learn his skills, he just trains with the League. 17/18 to 25. Ample time to father Damian.
I had a similar idea
>Ra's has the Wayne's killed cause they were in his way of destroying half of Gotham to get some Lazarus pit chems
>kidnaps Bruce to brainwash him into handing over his land assets when he's an adult
>Bruce is super hard to indoctrinate and keeps getting good at ninja shit
>Ra's throws his teen daughter at 13 yo Bruce
>Bruce splits when Talia tells him that the League really does still assassinate people
>Comes home, gets degrees, learns from specialists
>sees Dicks parents get killed
>Takes on Dick as his ward and becomes Batman at 22
>Dick becomes Robin two years later
>Gotham show
>Bruce Wayne
>Pennyworth prequel show ended on a cliffhanger where Bruce isn't even born yet
>traumatic flashbacks
I'll actually pay for MGM+ if they decide to ever pick up that Pennyworth prequel show for a final season and fund it since Gunn won't.
holy shit someone who actually watched that Pennyworth show
Yes
>final season
already happened. It's not going to get a "new" final season once it's printed on the disc cover.
Lucifier Did if I recall.
Yup The 3rd season
Lucifer had 6 seasons...
He means the 3rd season was originally the final one fool.
This.
Apparently the showrunners would have had David Mazouz as Batman in a series finale flashforward. For that alone I want MGM+ to pick up and fund a 4th and final season. Especially if Cameron Monaghan's Joker appears in said flashforward complete with the Green Hair/ Wig and the purple suit he rightfully earned.
What does MGM have to do with this show? were they the ones behind Epix's streaming service that originally had this?
Yes and the co-own the series. In fact WB gave them second run rights for the 3rd season after a certain amount of time, after the show was picked up for Max. It's been a full year but other countries are just now starting to get the 3rd season added so it might be contractual bullshit dragging any "second run" out here in the States.
>Teenage Batman is Inevitable
That's what Beyond was supposed to be. Some suit went to the creatives and said "We want teenage Batman" and the creatives went "Fine, but we are making it in the cyberpunk future."
Jamie Kellner was the suit and he had many terrible ideas. And was likely the one who ordered Return of the Joker censored.
Thank Goodness Bruce Timm, Paul Dini and Allan Burnett went the route that didn't destroy the DCAU continuity which really became important with STAS.
They actually wanted Batman-flavored Power Rangers.
The youngest I accept Batman being is 21.
He needs to be old enough to drink, and run his company.