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Ok
not ok
kO
It certainly was one ....weird/all over the place/wtf issue to end this series...
IDW needs to die
This is bait, right? Like all the supremacy people hating the X-men.
The Mandrill himself stated, that according to Litas own feelings, the mutation and everything after was a good thing to her.
Well it’s not the 80’s anymore. Morals are no longer black and white. Everybody operates in a murky grey. This is nuanced and mature
Ok, they're even less likeable than before. I mean seriously? The others stopped trying to save Donnie and everyone went on vacation? Why cann't we have a scene like about Leo trying to find Donnie throught his astral skill, and April and Mikey also try to help Leo by combining their magic powers or something!
Yeah in the previous issue, they were still like:
"Quick we have to do everything to keep that portal open"
and after that they went all:
"hugh, done, now it is all Donnie's problem. Who wants icecream"?
It's funny that they still repeat about the important of family and friendship, but do the exact opposite of it.
What's with the albino basketball-American child?
Don't worry about it, the new writer will probably just forget she even exists.
I see. Question withdrawn.
Unless of course you already ARE a third class citizen. The Weasels and Lita got a pretty nice gig when they first got to the Turtles.
Do not get me wrong, the "Tumblr Wishy Washy writing" of the series was, in at least the last third of the series, utterly atrocious. I certainly agree with you on that point.
>Ends in a libtard sharing circle of fee fees.
Everytime.
>being isolated and without affection in my life means im da based alpha
That's not what was said
Actually it happens a lot, group hugs, everyone sits on the floor and gabs about how they felt about events that happened. Honestly I think it's a bullshit writing gimmick to fill time while masquerading as a new age emotional bonding scene.
So basically theres no big important finish. ends like a damp turtle shell which is a bummer.
This story is just stupid. Basically another relied on hijacking moments from the other writers run to fake any sort of impact.
Thanks for reminding me. I forgot this was coming out around now.
Thoughts as I go
>artstyle change 4 pages in is jarring, but I hate Federici's weird lanky turtles and will take Fero Pe, Duncan, and even Campbell over his shit.
>Future Bob is not a threat and should have been removed from the story by now
>Oh boy, Future Donnie's drawing children. Remember that fricking terrible plot twist about April? Now it's back for some OC Donut Steel future turtle kids we'll never see again.
>Sure am glad this extra long epic comic is spending so much time on the backstory, mechanics, and drama of these throwaway characters.
>Wow future Donnie is a piece of shit.
>"Reee I'll kill everything nothing matters!!... on second thought maybe this will work out. Bye."
>coming back to the Utroms collecting Hamato DNA after all this time!!
>lol doesn't matter is because they just smashed that dangling plot thread that Waltz forgot about
>All of this Armaggon shit was just a giant predestination paradox. Wow. So cool. Love being told that this entire overblown plot was just narrative circlejerking the whole time.
>Did Venus just fricking die?
>Oh joy, Bob randomly deciding to un-mutate Lita was just a clumsy way to set up a last second change of heart in Evil Bob
>Did Evil Bob just fricking die?
>3 turtles fighting a rotten shark corpse in the middle of a field in feudal Japan...
>lol trying to turn Armaggon into something that is supposed to look like his classic appearance. Please just erase this character already.
>Yeah Venus is absolutely dead what the frick
>This only really ends the Armaggon plot which was overdone and foreshadowed for way too long, only to be a chaotic clusterfrick that mostly focused on Donnie become a worse character, and then a wizard, and then time travel, and then???
>COLOSSAL 60+ PAGE COMIC! TOTALLY WORTH ALL THE EXTRA MONEY!
>9 pages are literally just filler, a letter from the editor, and "buy these other comics too!" ads
Frick you IDW.
There are way too many split timelines. So there's an evil/disgruntled Donatello, a Michelangelo that became a famous social media influencer, a Raphael living in the woods (from the last annual), and Jennika was a cyborg living in mutant town. And then there's the other really far off future where all the Turtles, Jennika, Venus, etc. were all living in a Mad Maxx wasteland looking area, this is where they brought Rahzar/Tokka too...I don't know what the hell that was.
I guess we can all agree these are just random future timelines and none are canon.
I'm struggling to articulate exactly how it makes no sense, because the way they wrote it has Armaggon's entire rampage being an unstoppable fixed event, which means in a few years, they'll all drift apart even though they know that's a bad idea, and then one by one, they get picked off when time travelling Donnie and Venus show up, followed by Armaggon who eats each and every one of them, and then you go further into the future and some of them are still alive but other future versions don't talk about that time Armaggon showed up and killed one of their brothers or the fact that an old Raph from the future showed up to kill Donnie who somehow fricks up even harder in a different future... Nevermind that we also saw a young Leo get fricking eaten by Armaggon thanks to Future Bob, but we also see much much older future Leo who wasn't eaten and has no fricking idea what's going on with all the time travel that happened... and all the way at the furthest ass-end of the timeline there's elderly wizard Donnie who is angry that no one listened to him when he warned them about Armaggon, even though they all died because of his younger self time travelling in the first place.
This shit is giving me a migraine.
Once again the 80s Turtle show how it’s done
>the multiverse circlejerk and meta shit
I'm so tired
>whining about multiverse in tmnt thread
frick off subhuman
No, keep that shit out.
2003 series and Turtles Forever were trash by the way.
Anon, that just looks like basic Battle Nexus shit.
Then go to bed, dingus.
Needs Jim Lee ninja turtle
Really looks more on the Liefeld side.
I think the most disappointing thing about this "Road to 150" gimmick was just how little it cared about the TMNT as a team. This was Donnie and Venus's comic for the last dozen issues and every other version of the Hamato siblings we saw were older, sadder future versions who were only really in the story to hand off the sigil/token/totem macguffins for the big finale where Donnie does some vague magic and the time loop is complete. And the entire time, this story arc spent all this time going on and on about how sad the future turtles were about not being together and how they drifted apart, while doing nothing to act on that running theme.
All this pseudoscience shit about "magic gravity and QNA" really stupid. They can even explain things like reincarnation and fatalism more simply from a mythology perspective.
Anyone can share a link?
Literally just check any free comics website.
Jennika is in lesbians with her.
GAY. Literally.
Nah, I'll just enjoy my physical copy.
so is the new series a reboot, or just a new Turtles series?
They added a pig girl to Ninja Turtles? Who is slamming her? Is it Leo? It's Leo right?
So what happened with hob and mutant city? I don't care enough to read anymore.
>Hob got mobbed by angry citizens and went into hiding after escaping.
>Hob bought/took over(?) a nearby bird sanctuary island to make into Mutant Island offscreen. They've shown extremely little of it.
>Wall came down after Hob and Ray bombed it, but the weasels flipped out and literally slit Ray's throat and set off the bombs prematurely, killing Ray and almost killing the weasels.
>Meanwhile, April, Karai, Casey, and some other side characters cornered and blackmailed Stockman into changing his policies on mutants.
>less than a month later mutants were unceremoniously and suddenly reintegrated into society with minimal problems after a timeskip.
>Sally Pride is now the mayor of Mutant Town, which is now considered its own city/borough/whatever in Manhattan
>Hob fricked off to Mutant Island, implying it's for all the mutants who don't want to reintegrate into New York
So they never offered anyone a cure?
Only character that seemingly wants a cure really badly was Bob and that was only so he could be motivated by the evil time travelling murdershark. Everyone else is going about their lives like nothing has changed.
Campbell said a long time ago that they had no interest in introducing retromutagen.
In the end it really did end up feeling like there was some kind of queerness allegory going on considering how pissed off lita's reversion confusingly made everyone.
#150 describes it as "Lita loves being a mutant because it made her life better and gave her something" and later implies that QNA time magic will eventually sort everything out and Lita will probably go back to normal.
>Lita will probably go back to normal.
Well thank god we're getting a new writer who will probably just disregard that concept and forget about the character.
Waltz and Campbell are still on-board with IDW and writing pretty much all of the side-comics now. Lita, Jennika, Venus and the rest are just getting gently pushed to the side, but not removed.
yeah but its aaron
>Made her life better
Her heart was protected only by a thin membrane. She literally could have been killed stone dead by bumping into a table.
Being de mutated saved her life.
Donatello should have immediately worked in a retro-mutagen to allow the victims to carry on with their lives like any other iteration. It seems like it was never in the cards to undo Mutant Town. It's as if these humans did not choose to be mutants as in trans/homosexual and found they are happier as mutants as in trans/homo. The Turtles don't try to undo the situation and are devastated when Lita is cured. It's as if my confusion over this is supposed to make me feel bad. They are humans and need to be cured adding nothing but a dragged to death plot line.
should have immediately worked in a retro-mutagen to allow the victims to carry on with their lives like any other iteration. It seems like it was never in the cards to undo Mutant Town.
Dontaello under more competent and self aware writers would have done just that. Jason Aaron if he wants to get fans on board should introduce retro-mutagen and undo the majority of the mutations.
Having the human turned mutants be a trans Allegory was a terrible route to go.
>>The Turtles don't try to undo the situation and are devastated when Lita is cured.
Where as any other iteration they would be happy.
>Having the human turned mutants be a trans Allegory was a terrible route to go.
I don't know why people keep saying shit like this because that's not how allegory works and that's not what happened. Now if there had been a character who was like
>I'm transmutant! I identify as a mutant! I don't want to be human!
Or some shit like that, you might have something, but otherwise the mutant town thing is probably more furry TF fetish than troony brainrot.
There were some parts that felt a little tiny bit analogous even if it's not 1:1
>Jennika's partner being sympathetic but ultimately too disgusted to keep the relationship going, ending up with a fellow mutant lesbian
>The social media "I'm mutant and PROUD" shit from the Jennika mini
>Mona's parents (apparently) disowning her the microsecond she "comes out" to them
I don't think mutants were written as a trans analog really though I just think the writers(s) pulled from real life experience of being or dealing with queer people to write certain things, and sometimes it felt awkward
And pulling from that life experience to write those things was a terrible decision. Because the situations are polar opposites, there's a difference between something that's the result of an interplay of Genetic, Hormonal and Parental environment influences. And something that's the result of being unwillingly mutated.
As someone who probably qualifies as "terminally online" also, I think that's a pretty terminally online read of the events of a story. Jennika was mutated against her will (and so was everyone else) and the breakup was iffy, because Waltz crammed City at War with too many plots, before Campbell wrote him out of the story because he didn't initially have any plans for Casey in the limited Mutant Town arc he was originally supposed to write. "Mutant and Proud" was a different writer. Mona's parents freaked out upon seeing her for the first time in months (years?) then she broke her phone, and it was never really followed up on as her being disowned.
was mutated against her will (and so was everyone else)
The fact that just one person got cured at the end and said curing being treated as a bad thing is just bad no matter how you slice it. What happened to the Bomb Victims was fricked up and them not being cured is just a terrible ending.
and Proud" was a different writer.
Who was the writer?
>>Mona's parents freaked out upon seeing her for the first time in months (years?) then she broke her phone, and it was never really followed up on as her being disowned.
Was it even followed up on at all?
>The fact that just one person got cured at the end and said curing being treated as a bad thing is just bad no matter how you slice it.
They explain it overtly in 150. Lita liked being a mutant and the connection it gave her to the turtles. You don't have to agree with it, but that's why it's seen as a bad thing to happen.
>Who was the writer?
Brahm Revel and Ronda Pattison. Pattinson has been a colorist on IDW TMNT for nearly the entire run.
>Was it even followed up on at all?
Not even implied to have been thought about or addressed ever again after the group therapy session that turned into a fist fight.
Okay so Lita liked being a mutant, I have no problem with that. But still the fact that the concept of Retro-Mutagen doesn't even get name dropped or referenced (if it did feel free to correct me) just rubs me the wrong way because realistically at least a dozen of the bomb victims would want to become human again. Now if Jason Aaron or whoever else addresses that issue and resolves it that's fine, but given the foundation, it just feels wrong.
The fact that Mona's parents freak out is never thought about or addressed again is a waste of what could have been a genuinely compelling story.
That part is definitely questionable, but I'd sooner chalk that up to IDW's editorial staff being fricking moronic and insisting and supporting the idea of these books being fricking crammed with shit and then suddenly derailed whenever they get a bug up their ass to do a big event or a new mini-series.
They do have Doctor Barlowe as the one guy offering to "cure" people of their mutations through grotesque surgery, but the topic is dropped. The 2nd Jennika mini is about how there might be a cure, but the result is that there isn't and that it doesn't really matter. Then there's Bob who goes so fricking insane about finding a cure that he becomes a time travelling evil shark cultist who uses QNA magic to frick with Lita's timeline while ranting about how the evil shark will cure him too. No mention of retromutagen, though. Every time the idea of curing someone comes up, it's either fricked up, a lie, or wrong to do.
>That part is definitely questionable, but I'd sooner chalk that up to IDW's editorial staff being fricking moronic and insisting and supporting the idea of these books being fricking crammed with shit and then suddenly derailed whenever they get a bug up their ass to do a big event or a new mini-series.
I agree with you, on that. That plot point being dropped is definitely in large part due to the clowns in Editorial, if only they were actually competent.
>They do have Doctor Barlowe as the one guy offering to "cure" people of their mutations through grotesque surgery, but the topic is dropped.
Doctor Barlowe could have easily been a reoccurring character
>The 2nd Jennika mini is about how there might be a cure, but the result is that there isn't and that it doesn't really matter.
They have some nerve pulling that bait and switch and saying it doesn't matter.
>Then there's Bob who goes so fricking insane about finding a cure that he becomes a time travelling evil shark cultist who uses QNA magic to frick with Lita's timeline while ranting about how the evil shark will cure him too.
I'm a little surprised there wasn't a magic wave that undid the mutations or mutant town period. Wipe the slate clean for the next run.
>No mention of retromutagen, though. Every time the idea of curing someone comes up, it's either fricked up, a lie, or wrong to do.
The fact that the idea of curing everyone is treated as frick up and wrong to do is a testament to Waltz and Campbell's incompetence or narrow mindedness
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I know Jason Aaron is just as bad, but he should introduce Retro-Mutagen and cure the majority of them. Because no matter what the narrative says, it's the right thing to do. Give the victims there lives back, be heroes.
The ones who choose to remain mutated can be background extras and have occasional interactions with the main cast.
Furry Fetish is just as bad. The fact that retro-mutagen was never in the cards just makes it terrible no matter how you slice it.
>Jason Aaron
>if he wants to get fans on board
lmao
An Allegory that falls flat on it's face. The foundation of the Allegory was doomed to fail. Seriously you're telling me out of all the Bomb Victims, only one wants a cure?
Blame Waltz for literally throwing it in at the last second, and then throwing the reigns to another writer who was told they could only had the job for 12 issues. Original moron had no plans to ever cover what a colossal shakeup having several hundred/thousand new mutants around would be for a TMNT story. Second moron used what little time he had to write some indulgent Mona Lisa coffee shop AU fanfiction.
>Second moron used what little time he had to write some indulgent Mona Lisa coffee shop AU fanfiction.
Why are most comics like this? Webcomics were nothing but this for the longest.
Because the majority of people working in comics right now should just be making webcomics instead. This ties them to deadlines, limited page counts, and a tighter work schedules that doesn't mesh with the slower, simpler stories they want to tell about characters hanging out and talking about their feelings. Which leads to hamfisted comics where the pace is all wrong and the plotting is schizophrenic. Minimal fight scenes, in between rushed, but undercooked dialog scenes, and.. whoops almost out of pages. Better slap in a quick cliffhanger for next month.
Waltz and Campbell equally deserve blame.
Waltz for throwing it in that Mutagen bomb, and Campbell for not realistically addressing how fricked up what Hob did is and using the Bomb victims as an LGBT Allegory.
Aaron should just go frick it and introduce Retromutagen. Try to lessen the damage Waltz and Campbell did.
The comic should introduce retromutagen anyway as an author's saving throw. To address the failed Allegory.
Christ, what a worthless fricking character Hob ended up being. He's the one OC I liked at first as a rival/antagonist to the Turtles, only for him to go full moron over and over and over and OVER again solely for the sake of plot, while wearing plot armor like a special needs helmet.
I liked the Hob character so much that I named my cat after him. Just like the TMNT Hob, he's a violent little bastard.
Ninja Turtles without their masks look so fricking weird.
I remember when I thought IDW was the ultimate version of the tmnt, then Campbell came along and ruined everything for everyone.
Campbell was involved for a while before getting the head writer position, but the comic was a fricking mess for a while. First 50 issues are decent. Everything after that is a slow motion car crash.
IDW was doomed to fail for the same reasons the 2012 cartoon eventually fell apart. Their only goal is to be a melting pot of the past, while never bringing any sort of unique idenity of their own to the table. Mindless fanservice can only get you so far, and can easily become a detriment if you don't have anything to actually SAY.
Venus through time travel shenanigans absorbed their QNA from their dead human bodies in ancient Japan and kept it with her till she and Don teleported to 2011 and she magically infused them with it in the lab before the Turtles were hatched and when the Splinter rat was just a regular rat. In a way it makes sense, as opposed to Yoshi just wishing upon a star to get reincarnated like Pinnocchio.
I like the default interpretation that desiring and being owed vengeance, along with the turtles having a destiny to clash with Shredder who would go on to terrorize the future. Having them reincarnate because they reincarnated and performed a quantum time travel reach around on themselves is both too elaborate and deflates things a lot. Now they're so important and have so much "soul gravity" because they made themselves.
I'm surprised they didn't go even further back to have the turtles play wingman and make Splinter fall in love with Tang Shen, too.
Yes, this didn't need an explanation. Reincarnation as a concept is already established and understood. The "reason" they reincarnated is that they reincarnated. Once you establish that reincarnation is a thing in this world, then that's it. That's the explanation. It's magic. Adding a stupid sci-fi explanation is stupid. You may as well use time travel to explain why the sky is blue. If reincarnation is a thing in this universe, then it's just an objective fact in the same way that falling due to gravity is the expectation.
Agree, do they really need to explain for this through some stupid sci-fi way?
Imagine this sort of origin retconning with any other superhero.
>Peter Parker goes back in time and makes sure Uncle Ben gets shot
>Superman has to personally blow up Krypton
>Wolverine signs himself up for the Weapon X program (oh wait that actually happened didn't it?)
>Tony Stark making sure his past self becomes an alcoholic
>Magneto informing the Nazis where his child self is hiding so he can be sent to the camps
Pretty sure it happened to Flash who ended up being the lightning bolt that struck him through Speed Force.
I'm not going to pretend that's great, but Flash fricking with time by running too fast is pretty consistent for him. moronic, but not worse than anything else he's done.
Worse, didn't he now have to allow Zoom to retcon-kill his mom?
>reincarnation was actually just science.
Based.
So after all this """hype""" they tried to build about this finale changing the story forever, it just ended in a closed loop time travel circlejerk that changed nothing at all? Oh wait, no. They killed characters we don't care about, added more we REALLY don't care about, and just kind of meandered to a limp conclusion. This is what we really needed to spend months of issues covering? As opposed to ANYTHING ELSE?
I don't think they were ever writing for what people wanted. I think they were just writing for themselves and no one called them on it.
Oh they got called out on it. They got called out on it a lot. It's just that they ignored that fact and kept writing the shit they wanted for themselves and the people that called them out to begin with stopped buying and stopped reading the terrible comic.
Why does everything IDW does inevitably go gay? Even when the IPs don't share creative teams, it always ends up going gay.
Because it's new and different so everything has to do it.
Shouldn’t the the Turtles have been involved for the finale? Why is it so Donatello focused
Of course they should have.
Because this is basically another "Same As It Never Was" time travel shit.
what, is IDW TMNT over?
Sigh, that was a waste of my favorite TMNT villain.
No, its getting relaunched. Same canon, new creative team.
>Same canon, new creative team.
Then the OP saying "at least it's finally over" is pretty much meaningless isn't it. Nothing good ever comes from IDW anymore regardless of who's making it.
Again, Saturday Morning Adventures.
Read it, its good.
I think i'll put that in my comic subscription box then.
Worse than that, people here have been saying it's gonna be Jason Aaron.
It is. He's done interviews.
The end of the book literally says he's taking over so yes
As if this book couldn't get any worse.
I mean, there isn't much to ruin without a reboot, but I believe him to frick it all up.
I think he's the go-to guy at Marvel when they want someone to ruin a character. I'm talking scorched earth. That's what we're dealing with here. No standards. Maybe he gets extra for being fricking hated.
Whatever it's Waltz or Campbell. They could never write a good villain.
>> now prepare for Aaron
How bad is he?
He's the homosexual who made She-Hulk a giant drooling moron, as part of some half-assed message about She-Hulk being problematic because she was always pretty and confident, wasn't he?
yeah but Bendis sharted on her first
Johns & Slott before Bendis.
Tamaki undid that and Aaron went back to it.
Ah shit, not that guy. iDW is better off just printing blank books than having him write.
big rock hard turd that'll take years to push out
Also, the new issue of Saturday Morning Adventures was so much better than this.
Having just read the 2 Sourcebooks IDW put out, it really makes you realize how many unnecessary and extra characters IDW introduced, and this is even before all the mutant town stuff.
Null's entire role in IDW has been rather underwhelming and she probably should not have been introduced since they had no time to do anything with her. That's also why Zodi and Krisa are just there now since they don't really have a purpose. They had no reason to introduce Darkwater when they had the EPF, there's no point for Agent Ravenwood who basically wound up being forgotten even though she was supposed to be Bishop's replacement.
You also have this Natsu character here, who was fine in the first Karai mini-series, but had no reason to stick around. Natsu should of just been a one-story character, instead they bring her back and she's just there.
What about the lesbian yellow turtle that used to be human? What does she bring to the table?
Absolutely frick all. I really wanted to give her a chance, but she just SUCKS no matter how you spin it. They never answered the fundamental question of "what makes this particular Foot Soldier so special while every other Foot gets zero focus" while she proceeds to brute force her way into the TMNT's social circle. She dates Casey, he dumps her because he couldn't handle Turtlussy, she goes full lesbian, joins a band, and is then literally validated by magic prophecy garbage that says she was ALWAYS meant to be part of the TMNT somehow.
She's the quintessential Mary Sue, the platonic ideal of the fanfic self-insert.
>She's the quintessential Mary Sue, the platonic ideal of the fanfic self-insert.
Is it possible to introduce a female turtle without this happening? I remember Venus de Milo wasn't well received either.
Probably, but the main issue is that you'd need to come up with an organic angle to add to the TMNT dynamic first and foremost. You can't just add a girl to the team, she can't be there for token reasons when April already exists. She'd need to actually bring something new and unique to the table, rather than falling back on the usual hack writing traps.
Which Jennika did not bring to the table. Although she had the foundation to do so.
>Is it possible to introduce a female turtle without this happening?
Yes Mutate April.
Absolutely, but it also requires letting the story stop and breath on occasion, have characters actually develop and talk to each other instead of leaping face-first into another half-baked arc or big event that will just crowd up the cast and setting even more.
Jennika could have worked, but she was a clumsy addition with no real substance, and then Waltz mutated her, patted himself on the back because he imagined a version of the story where that made perfect sense that he didn't write, and then fricked off with zero intention to ever revisit her as a character. He spent all that time setting up Armageddon Game and forcing Jennika into things for years, and then he came back for his epic big event and she was just a background character and nothing else.
Just have it happen to April for an arc and it'd be fine. That's literally every normie's reaction when they first see Jennika anyway thanks to them giving her color away. "Woah April's a turtle now??"
I think Campbell also introduced a female Ninja Turtle in her original fan comic. So I feel like that's where the inspiration for Jennika came from.
I think the funniest part in Jennika is that even though all of this points to her being a Mary Sue, she absolutely sucks at fighting. Go back to any story featuring her, and you’ll see she basically never wins any real big fight. it's mostly outside events and other bullshit that prevent her from losing. The only person she really manages to beat is Zodi and that was part of Null's moronic keikaku anyway.
Plenty of writers working in comics are only writers who have never done any art. That is absolutely not a qualification that implies someone is better or more skilled or best suited for the job.
Give me a QRD? Why are they crying and who is the creepy little girl?
Donnie traveled through time to close the predestination paradox that stopped the bad shark that was going to eat them through time to unmake himself, and then after an unclear amount of time, Donnie returned from the past and everyone has a big sad hug.
Albino girl is Lita, the albino turtle child from Mutant Town, who was de-mutated by an evil time travelling monkey man who was working with the shark.
context please?
Did April and Casey shrink or something?
I thought they were all dead except Mike?
this is the same comic as the furry one from years ago?
If Donnie become a wizard, then what's the point with Leo's story development?
Donatello was always the mystic guy, read back to Mirage during the Great Turtle spiritual journey
But the Shaman is Leo and Mirage Donnie will still return to his scientific work.
In the early IDW story, IDW Donnie is more keen on using technology, IDW Leo also learned mystic and spiritual skills from Splinter earlier than the other three. There is no reason to let IDW Leo to abandon his mystic skills. Now, he only has the title of leader. Oh, wait, he's not even the leader now, because everyone is separated.
I still don't understand how this got greenlit since they aren't even proper legacy characters going by the story.
Because IDW is and has always been incompetent at every level of the company.
I really hope that if Nick and Viacom are going to have stuff for older audiences like TLR movie, they keep the lighthearted and campy Fred Wolf/Playmates/2K12 OCs out due to them clashing with the tones.
Even if TLR movie success they probably spawns TLR 2 or 3 rather than allow more new mature regular TMNT series. In fact, even in the TLR comic, Mikey isn't allowed to do more violence, there are only very few of fight scene and the art is shit. Most of the time, he always complained about his life through gritted teeth. Especially in the prequel comics, he always get his ass kicked ad tortured like the protagonist in a gay furry dojinshi.
There is also a problem with TMNT, If new TMNT can't evolve past the need for Shredder (and in most cases, Bebop and Rocksteady and Krang and Technodrome) then this series is going to die.
just finished this. It was a solid enough start. Do I keep going?
Yes. At least until issue 50.
Read until they do the ritual challenge against Shredder. Decide if you like it enough to continue from there.
Hard to stay fresh with the turtle comic I guess
More like they veered away hard from anything that could keep the comic fresh and interesting.
Human Turtles yes or no
Only japanese, not white or black. Also, make them "yokai turtles" so there's more reason to explain why the turtles can transform into human.
Teenage Mutant Nnnnnnnnnnn
Italian American humans or no deal.
>Not knowing the canon human versions of the TMNT
Casualgays
Hope you don't mind this correction
>Splinter is dead
>9 out of 13 of the characters in the second row are totally irrelevant or banished to the background
Didn't Raph and Alopex break up?
And you can see IDW turtles is fricking pathetic and weakling in every epic event. In the end, you will realize they are just nominal protagonist of their fricking book. Waltz and Campbell actually favor some villains and other supporting characters.
>Aaron's taking over
oh my
This means jack shit. Coherent? He wrote an event at Marvel SPECIFICALLY to introduce retcons all over.
His Conan was good.
>doubt.jpg
Well how about his Thor, X-Men, Punisher, Cavengers and so on?
Uh...I wouldn't know.
That's right.
Shut up, Boco.
Yes sir...
But just saying. He's writing a licensed comic, and his last licensed comic was pretty good.
Gotta love how many BIG EPIC EVENTS in this comic end up being complete nothing burgers that waste everyone's time. You can almost feel how desperately the writers try to entice people. If they just wrote grounded shorter arcs with decent character interactions, this comic would be so much better.
>If they just wrote grounded shorter arcs with decent character interactions, this comic would be so much better.
A tighter focus would have saved this whole run a lot of trouble. Too many spinning plates. Too many things happening at once. Can't bloat the plot with too many hanging plot threads if you don't start a dozen of them at a time in the process of trying to resolve one.
>IDW Armaggon
>literally zero explanation what or who this is
>Armaggon hates Donatello because????????
Bravo
They explain it. It's just a dumb time travel circlejerk. Armaggon hates Donatello because Donatello (and Evil Bob, who is a servant of Armaggon somehow) created the conditions that turned a random prehistoric Megalodon into a time-travelling killer shark while trying to figure out how to stop the time-travelling killer shark from killing him.
>it's just a dumb shark turned into giant flying shark with cybernetics due to Donnie time travel shenanigans
What a waste
God yes. Even worse is that two pages in 150 where he looks like his old design, right before killing him for good.
Time travel was a mistake.
Will you calm your breasts? The book's over. It can't be canceled anymore.
I can't wait to buy the new run.
And all the tie ins.
Bruh frick off. I've already read it all twice.
I miss IDW busters. The GB/TMNT crossovers where fun.
GB by Dark Horse is fricking trash
Heh, how so?
Art is garbage
People complaining about 'let characters talk', but then forget that that's how Sophie Campbell's run started.
I mainlined the whole run over the last six months. Went monthly from 146. I do not have the problem with Jennika that y'all have. I found her addition great.
WTF was this whole arc though? Armaggon, Bob, Leo, none of the characters have any clear reason to do any of the shit. Whole subplots are abandoned.
It is clear this story needed at least 10 issues to cook. Serious bullshit.
it's been overcooked for years
>People complaining about 'let characters talk', but then forget that that's how Sophie Campbell's run started.
Characters don't talk about anything that matters and when they do have a moment, it's contrived and forced, feeling unearned and clumsy. Raph and Casey have a big fight because Casey is suddenly an alcoholic... and then a couple issues later it's fine. And then many issues later, Casey is right back to going
>Raph hates me because I drink beer sometimes and everyone abandoned me (factually untrue)
>I do not have the problem with Jennika that y'all have. I found her addition great.
I don't think she's completely fricking awful and deserves to be tortured to appease Delete-schizo, but she's essentially a completely new character starting at issue 101, which is jarring and hard to reconcile that this grown-ass woman has mentally reverted to being a mouthy teenager who wants to start a rock band (and also all the turtles are in their 20s anyways, so what the frick is going on?)
>this grown-ass woman has mentally reverted to being a mouthy teenager who wants to start a rock band
I don't know about you, but that's what happens to you when you go through a trauma. Shit gets you upside down. Campbell's run only went downhill when they started treating the time-travel shit seriously.
>but that's what happens to you when you go through a trauma.
It's not, but all they needed was a line about the direct transfusion of mutagen reverting her in age a bit and her feeling younger and it works just as well.
Sorry anon, I forgot abut your years of experience dealing with trauma survivors.
It's not what happens and it's not the explanation given. Jennika is a different character because Waltz had no plans for her, so Campbell had to come up with a gimmick that the other 4 turtles didn't already cover. It was a narrative contrivance, not some deeper hint about her "trauma" which actually took the form of wanting to kill Karai.
It tracks with what happens in the real world. The author does not need to explain why the sun is rising from the east either.
You're free to think that, but it's objectively wrong and it's not what happened in the comic, either. You're thinking of dissociative episodes, and those also don't involve massive maturity regression and don't last years.
Good thing everyone has lots of experience with that, so the comic didn't need to explain it to the readers, then
It's not like people would buy this book for teenage mutant ninja turtle action
Too much slice-of-life crap, and out of a 50 issue run, 40 or so could basically be ignored.
>but that's what happens to you when you go through a trauma. Shit gets you upside down.
The writing is netflix teen drama tier, even some cliché soap opera better than this. This wouldn't even lead to a substantial drastic and lasting change to the personaitly and story of the four turtles.
I expect IDW Leo to become like 2K3 S4 Leo. He began to question that the training he had done was not paying off well. He could not accept the Shredder's resurrection and question so-called "cosmic balance". This led him down a darker and more radical path.
I am not arguing that it ended up great.
Everything post intro of Venus was a shitshow.
Venus' intro itself was a shitshow. She only existed to prop up Jasper Barlow, who's basically Professor Pyg but somehow even worse.
Everything Post-Venus was Alopex drama, Ninja Magic, Armageddon Game and Armaggon, so yeah that's some of the worst shit put to print under the TMNT title.
The stuff with Barlow was neat.
Like the Dirt Bag/Groundchuck fusion.
Couldn't disagree more, Barlow was a godawful villain. Arguably the worst OC in the comic, and that's saying quite a bit with such stiff competition.
Can you really call him an OC when he's a redesigned Palladium character?
Remember DARK Leo? Remember when they retconned this one specific time Leo was brainwashed to hell and back just to force it as this big deal or some shit?
"Dark" Leo was a big joke. He just a edge boy but not allowed to do anything so it's a waste of time. Brainwashing is always a lazy writing. This means they have chance to be saved. There is no real character development.
What's even more ridiculous is that In the ninja magic training arc, the writers told us Dark Leo is actually Leo's real dark side, and Kitsune just awakens it. It's like they're trying to tell us that Shredder and Kitsune never brainwashing Leo.
I jumped in to IDW right after finishing the mirage collections, and the no kill rule makes 0 sense.
The problem with the no kill rule isn't that it exists, but that it's been given attention to. It's the exact same issue plaguing IDW Sonic; we KNOW why these characters aren't able to kill people, because these are still comics primarily geared towards younger audiences. But justifying it in-universe is moronic because then you force the audience to question why DON'T they just kill off their enemies when their "principles" are worthless and cause endless suffering in the long run.
It's not interesting, nor is it deep. It's contrived, manufactured melodrama that only exists because nobody's willing to learn from the same pitfalls most cape comics constantly fall into.
They become more passive and weak than before. The minor villains can easily kick their asses. Without Fairy Godmother Shredder or any strong woman character, the turtles would always be helpless in the face of danger and would even argue or cry with each other. Even the ninja magic they learned in training arc was just some shit plot device. This means that most of the time it is useless. Meanwhile, Mary Sue Karai may get her 2k3/Rise tier ninja magic in her comic.
>Remember DARK Leo?
I try not to.
I hate when the toitles take their masks off
So did this useless c**t ever come back?
The whole triceraton storyline had so much potential.
No way. Dude the Triceratons are boring. The only amusing thing about the Triceratons is how IDW used them to be the first animal mutants in this universe due to being dinosaurs though it begs the question about why they didn't use other dinosaur species.
But overall Triceratons are boring. They are boring shit entirely I honestly don't care one bit about them and feel like taking a nap when I see a story about them. Only thing more boring than Triceratons are the Utroms.
I don't know about potential, because pretty much everything involved with them in IDW was kickstarted by some severely moronic nonsense.
>only reason they exist was because of time travel frickery
>they had an alliance with the Neutrinos because King Frickwit pinky promised a new planet for them after Kraang dies
>instead of following through with that promise he just told them to frick off and invade Earth instead
>Bishop intentionally antagonizes them while they were looking for the Turtles so he can start a war
>said war immediately ends after they get teleported to Utrom Island
>any sort of progress Donny makes between the TriTons and Utroms gets thrown away for a Kraang vs Ch'Rell civil war NO ONE asked for
>the literal age up plot device machine
Their entire existence has been a net negative for the comic as a whole. They could've been decent, but that could be said for a lot of elements in IDW TMNT.
Nope, thank christ.
I went to our local comic store yesterday to pick up the latest Saturday Morning Adventures issue. Not a single variant of #150 had been sold yet, not even the metallic one. Oh, yeah. People were really excited about this “amazing” issue.
Do you think the Mutant City stuff will read better back to back instead of reading weekly installments? I've been wanting to read the IDW stuff but I heard really bad things about the most recent arc.
Going through it in the storytime threads all in a couple days (last year) wasn't that bad. There's more action in there than I remembered, and it's not as completely dominated by fanfic antics as people claim it is, but it's still a pretty uneven section of the overall run. If you want drama about people trying to adjust to slum life while also dealing with dealing with being mutants, there's not much of that. If you want the turtles leveraging their non-combat skills to help lots of people, there's only a little of that. If you want some kind of meaningful conflict with a villain, Hob and the Mutanimals only achieve half-assed antagonism at best at their highest point.
The story development of some major villains Stockman and Null should be explored in Mutant Town arc. We can even imagine how much threat these two will pose to Old Hob and other member of Mighty Mutanimals. But IDW staff are bunch of fricking morons, and only make some boring teen drama.
Ninja Turtles are no longer ninjas. Everyone in Mutant Town know what they are because the turtles were stupid enough to reveal their true identities publicly, and they didn't even try to use a secret identities.
Could have been really interesting with Hob, the Turtles, the EPF, Stockman, and Null all clashing with a ton of mutants caught in the middle. They kinda defanged the Foot Clan as an on-going antagonist, but they suddenly had the perfect situation for something way bigger and more chaotic and just didn't do anything with it.
Why the hell did we not get a 5 way clash?
Yeah, for as bad as this series is overall, Mutant City wasn't nearly as painful as people made it out to be. Don't get me wrong, it still isn't good by ANY stretch of the imagination. It's just that so much that came before and everything that came after it is just godawful in comparison.
The most eye-opening thing about reading it all in one go is realizing just how full of shit people are about the first 100 issues being great. They're a fricking mess and so many important characters are fricking moronic. Mutant Town was just bad in different ways, but not as intensely as the previous 100 issues were.
Early stories(before City Fall arc) are the best and were the Turtles' heyday, At that time, only three turtles can beat horde of thugs and Old Hob. They even beat Shredder and Karai in the first war against Foot. If it wasn't for "killing is bad", they would have killed both of them. When some crap like "Dark Leo" comes out, everything gradually becomes mess and decline. After #50, the entire main story becomes purposeless, and the turtles became boring and unlikeable. Waltz wastes a lot of time on other pointless shit and doesn't even explore the development of the other major villains.
I have problems even with the first issues where they contrived a reason for Raph to be separated from the other turtles for over a year because they wanted to do a red mask homage, but also wanted to introduce Casey Jones right away, but somehow couldn't reconcile that event happening without Raph being solo first and then revisiting the problems caused by being a lone mutant in new york years and years later.
Yeah, there were a lot of glaring issues with the comic since day one. They simply were a lot easier to overlook because of the comic's potential and how fun it was overall. They just became harder and harder to ignore over time until it became unbearable.
That arc is actually a perfect example of this. The red bandanas had no real reason to exist in this arc, the in universe justification was beyond lazy and an obvious afterthought. All it did was make the dialogue a chore to read because it was difficult to tell who was even talking without looking for their weapons.
It was a reference for the sake of having a reference, and it highlighted even back then how that sort of shallow pandering can end being a hinderance more often than not.
Funny enough, when the series was knee deep in being irredeemable dogshit, there was a one shot that used the red bandanas in a way that was actually effective. It wasn't a reference for the sake of it, it was a symbolic moment of unity between brothers after being emotionally distant from each other for so long. It was a great way of showing how references can be used in a way that elevates the material instead of weighing it down.
And that's what frustrates me the most about this comic. It'd be one thing if IDW TMNT was consistently bad. But it isn't; every time it feels like I can't stomach this comic any longer, they put out a really good one shot, or a fantastic crossover comic written by someone else, or even arcs that just... aren't as bad as the wretched dogshit that came before, only for the comic to correct that by doubling down on moronation later. It's the occasional reminder how this series COULD have been at least tolerable that stings the most.
So it really make me angry that Waltz and Campbell are still suck at explaining how the bonds and unity work. They always have the turtles forced into a vicious cycle of "quarrel, separation, and reunion" because the plot-first writing. The turtles actually have no real character development.
That was a fun comic to read. He’s writing Nightwatcher now
Andrew Modeen is a hack
First by turning Alopex into a valley girl sidepiece to Raph, then an emotional wreck over Shredder. And then into a fricking idiot who nearly got a bunch of kids killed in some utterly moronic attempt to form a "clan" of her own. And then wrote her off into the sunset.
I'm still mad about the Shredder moment. Whatever happened to the proud bitter warrior who said "I'm gonna kill the bear"? I'm sure I'm not the only one who wanted to see Alopex dealing with unfinished business with Shredder. But having the conclusion to that being her just crying and screaming to the turtles about him rather than even once addressing him directly? God, how fricking embarassing.
But I mean that's Sophie's run in a nutshell for me. Forget Mutant Town and all the worthless side stories. Her legacy is going to be just ruining character after character with stupid drama that goes nowhere and feels so... out of character from what they originally were. The exact kind of writing an amateur who likes to self-insert OCs does. At no point has her writing on this book ever surpassed fanfiction.
I hate how they made the turtles look like this. Especially Leo, he locked himself in a greenhouse instead of going on a spiritual journey, or maybe become a hermit who constantly practiced martial arts or explore spirit world. This can also explain why he became like this in TMNT 20/20.
Only Raph choose to face his trauma in a better way, and on the other hand, he also wanted to make amends for his mistakes.
The only thing Ross did right was redesigning Alopex and Sally, and designing Diamond. Sadly his artificial girl brain kicked in and made him want to turn the comic into a girly slice of life cry fest complete with the turtles, except for Raph, all acting femme-gay, striking all kinds of feminine poses such as clutching the opposite arm while looking away from who they're talking to, which no man has ever done.
I will NEVER forgive this series for dropping the ball on Casey. He had an interesting trajectory as a street kid desperately trying to escape his shitty abusive household, with April being there to help him there every step of the way, only for the writers to shatter thay relationship and have him turn into a bargin bin version of his father. It's downright nauseating to think about.
Now, he join the Foot Clan, even though it's just a adviser, but it's still a character assassination.
The kind of disrespect and hatred the story suddenly had for Casey was so strange. First he can't be together with April, and then he starts dating Jennika, and then that just ends because Casey is just a piece of shit who hates mutants, I guess. Then, during Mutant Town, he bounces between just casually hanging out and going to Human-Mutant fight club, going on casual tours with his best friends, and suddenly being a drunken, depressed lo--- No wait, he's got his shit together aga-- actually nevermind he's a depressed loser again and now he's Karai's little b***hboy, even though he was supposed to be her "adviser"
Maybe Casey should died in City Fall arc, that may even give Hun and Raph some interesting story development. In the another "What If?" comic, Hun actually kill Shredder to avenge his son. Honestly, I wish this series get a sequel.
I want to get into TMNT but all this talk about Campbell writer who ruins it compeltely puts me off.
When can I expect a total reset with new writers?
I now keep in mind don't touch IDW TMNT comics.