>tell people Roger Moore is my favourite Bond
>they laugh at me and tell me his movies are lame
Why does Moorekino filter the modern viewer?
>tell people Roger Moore is my favourite Bond. >they laugh at me and tell me his movies are lame
>tell people Roger Moore is my favourite Bond
>they laugh at me and tell me his movies are lame
Why does Moorekino filter the modern viewer?
they dont realise that the actors personalities are reflected in to their version of Bond. By saying your favourite Bond you are effectively saying what type of man you would like to be.
that is why every Bond (up to Craig) is a charming, charismatic man who is a great presence on screen. Then there is manlet moping Craig Bond who isnt charming, isnt charismatic and is angry all the time.
I used to be a Brosnan guy (grew up with his movies) but man is Moore so fricking cool. I like the fact he's so unphased by everything, his blueblood sophisticated demeanour and his impeccable quip delivery. I also find his movies to be the most uplifting and positive out of all of them. My favourite is Octopussy.
>his blueblood sophisticated demeanour
kind funny that Moor came from a working family
>My favourite is Octopussy.
Octopussy bros unite!
>Octopussy.
I hate that one feels like a 3 hour movie
When Bond jumps on Kamal Khan's plane at the end, one of the best stunts ever filmed. Then again every scene is top entertainment and it's a good cold war story. The yelling Russian general Orlov was a hoot
>The yelling Russian general Orlov was a hoot
"Retaliate against...whom?"
Classic Bond. Opening scene awesome, great villains, redirection, exotic locales, humor, great babes.
There are a lot of really cool stunts in his movies as well. Everything from riding a motorcycle off a cliff and parachuting down to running on top of alligators. The Bond movies gave even Jackie Chan and his stunt team a run for their money.
>My favourite is Octopussy.
Octopussy was really good. I think it's the wackiest Bond. The movies third act has the third act from 3 different movies crammed into it. It's nuts. I think my favorite is The Spy Who Loved Me. I don't know why but I really liked it. It's that or Octopussy. Maybe Moonraker actually. Moonraker was surprisingly good and I love that you can very obviously tell that Star Wars came out between the production of Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.
The absolute unfathomable hubris of this post...
Elaborate.
>that is why every Bond (up to Craig) is a charming, charismatic man who is a great presence on screen. Then there is manlet moping Craig Bond who isnt charming, isnt charismatic and is angry all the time.
Yeah a lot is this. Zoomers and millennials don't like a suave, confident man with a sense of humor as this is not who they are. Totally foreign to them.
Craig is a rusBlack person looking gay manlet who cries like a b***h and gets no pussy, whats not to love
Oh really? My fave is Dalton.
Moore had the best bond girls
For me, its Timothy Dalton
Connery is the best because he’s twisted like me
I want to be refined and gentlemanly like Dalton or Moore but find that i'm more of a Connery.
I really love Connery’s cool contempt for all other living things
Same. I even look slightly like him in Dr. No if you squint real hard lol. I just identify with Connery so much more. Maybe that's why his movies were such huge successes because he was really working class and blue collar.
Every black dude I have ever met prefers Craig.
>that time he killed a cripple by dumping him in a chimney
>Bond
Ok boomer.
>Bond is boomer territory
How moronic are you?
Could have fooled me, perhaps that was also a big part of why I like the man, may his soul rest in peace. He always spoke good of the role and franchise unlike some (Craig, Connery, Brosnan) who shat on it on occasions. Only him and Dalton always spoke in reverence and appreciation.
moore's upper class portrayal added to it, showing the old officer type when nobles would have to prove themselves in battle and were often part of military families.
at the same time, he doesn't seem like a snob, or that anything is above him.
he carries the stiff upper lip and dedication part well, and when he's been wronged, his directed fury comes out.
Absolutely perfect description of Moore's Bond.
he carries the same tone as the fellows in the charge of the light brigade from 1936. he isn't afraid of dying but does his best to prevent it when necessary.
>Only him and Dalton always spoke in reverence and appreciation.
Lazenby never badmouthed it to the best of my knowledge. And I thought Dalton did.
Dalton never did, just stated that they got too silly which was true. Lazenby rejected doing DAF because he agreed and listened to his agent that Bond will be forgotten and is a 60's relic which he regretted but still.
You think that's bad? Try telling someone Dalton is your favourite, they don't know who he is half the time.
Lol this they can't even name him when lining up all six actors. Maybe for the best, he's too kino for people. Unironically, anything before Brosnan is too high-brow for people of today.
This. Honestly Dalton is bigger than Bond so probably good for him.
>they don't know who he is half the time.
Disgusting
He was perfect so Im ok with this. Unfortunately like Craig and Brosnan he only had one good movie, oh well.
>one good movie
Both of his movies were excellent.
I remember LTK being a bit corny, maybe I'll watch it again.
Watch it again, pay attention to the subtleties of the characters like Lupe trying to provoke Pam, Sanchez being a peasant who wants to impress a blueblood gentleman like Bond, Dario the henchman being like a son to Sanchez and crying out his name as he died and the reference to Tracy in the beginning which makes Bond go crazy after Della died.
I liked Daltons Bond but I didn't like his movies. I liked Connerys too but his movies had a lot of long boring scenes that was typical of the film making at that time. Compared to Brosnans or Craigs films which have almost wall to wall action and much less slow scenes. Moore I think had the best middle ground of these films.
But he was the best Bond.
Moore > Connery = Brosnan > Dalton > Lazemby
The other one is not a Bond, it is just a Bourne movie with a different name.
Probably the best ranking tbh. Dalton is great as a Flemingesque Bond but after the fun of Moore, he does feel jarring to watch. His two movies are 10/10 though but I did enjoy that Brosnan brought back the mystique and larger than life nature of the cinematic character.
Roger Moore had a certain charm to him, and a did like a few of his movies. Nothing wrong with Moore. but Sean Connery is iconic, and Brosnan and Craig were lucky to have been in some of the best bond kinos (GoldenEye, Skyfall), so I can't really say that I think Moore was the best James Bond
>best Bond kinos
>Skyfall
>gay Q, sheebon moneypenny
>Bond is an old man out of nowhere, has gay scene with villain
>barely sleeps around and the plot is some gay revenge against granny M with Bond a third wheel
>third act is the lamest shit ever
>song is gay
I will NEVER understand the praise for this movie. Who is the best Bond to you?
>Who is the best Bond to you?
Bondbros who own the books, who do you imagine as Bond when reading them?
Myself
what was 007's plan if the professor had come in through the side door?
James is a gambler
I still think 60's Sean is easily the most charismatic movie star to have ever lived. The franchise still exists due to the monumental prestige and brand power Sean brought to it.
>has gay scene with villain
Bond(sociopathic nymphomaniac mind you) was an orphan who lived most of you young life in a boarding school of cores he hade a tart
That's Craig's version of Bond, tbf. I don't really care how they pozzed Craig because he's not supposed to be James Bond, the one we know. He's a lame Bourne copy masquerading as Bond due to EON losing all creativity. The Bond we know (Connery to Dalton) is still unpozzed and untouched.
>was an orphan who lived most of you young life in a boarding school of cores he hade a tart
SIR
because the actual answer is that it's a severe mismatch with their expectations going into it
if you tell them the movies are silly fun and have a number of moments that verge on self-parody, they'll have a good time
because low iq morons only know of 'goldeneye' because of the shitty nintendofied console shooter, so they automatically think that film is the best in the world without ever provided a reason for it, like the aids homosexual spammer that posts the exact same greetext list in every thread on here.
then other morons who'd never seen a bond film in their lives before, think craig is the only real bond - because looking like an eastern european meatpacking plant worker is apparently the way to go.
they likely haven't seen roger moore films beyond clips, if even that, and more likely just read or watch third or fourth hand dogshit from youtubers telling them what to think "lol moore were all comedy lol".
he was bond before bond. the first four bonds are the only ones worth considering, but dalton was too one dimensional and lazenby didn't have much of a chance to show what he could do, which leaves two.
>Dalton
>one dimensional
I disagree with this and do not believe it to be true but you are right. Moore and Connery are in a league of their own. Fleming accuracy has never been a thing in the movies and ironically, that's why they're so big. The novels are their own thing since it's the literary medium. What do you think of Brosnan's performance on it's own? I think he got the rough end of the stick and came in too late. What do you think of the fact he was cast for TLD in 86 after Moore but had a contract with some lame show and forcibly left the role. He had the misfortune of getting the role when Cubby's daughter took over.
dalton is a good actor, but as bond he just seemed like the killer and that's it.
i can't imagine him as a person outside his profession, no sense of background or anything.
it might have been hte writing, they tried to make everything intense
as for brosnan, he is a decent actor too, but i could never take him seriously - and the plot elements were weak and contrived, no matter how good the gadgets.
i think it is the feminism thing hitting in his first one, and there being too many lame characters around him.
sean bean was really good.
i hadn't known that the daughter had taken over - but it explains why his films feel feminised and almost like a parody of bond films with all the guts and sincerity removed.
>sean bean was really good.
QFT I loved the idea of a Double O agent against another Double O. It's too bad that Moore and Connery passed away, imagine if there had been a movie in the 90's or 00's that reveal that each of the previous 007s had retired or even faked their deaths; only to come back against a rogue 007.
they should have done that with dalton but have him win against craig
Few appreciate Dalton, or Lazenby for that matter. I think most viewers cannot reconcile "James Bond" and having a more reserved, less flashy protagonist.
It's a shame but you have to consider that a Moore, Connery and Brosnan Bond just is better for a cinematic venture most of the time although, for me, Dalton's two are the best movies the franchise has ever put out but they lack that Bond glamour which is true. It's too late for Fleming's Bond 1:1, people want the version of Bond that is most popular in culture.
Moore had Live and Let Die, Man with the Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, and Octopussy to be proud of. Have mixed feelings with Moonraker and A View to a Kill.
I liked Moore's direction. He brought in a lot of his elements from The Saint and it was refreshing to see a more laid-back Bond that could have fun. He should've been the Bond of all the 70's while Dalton could've been the Bond of all the 80's.
I'd give it to Brosnan after Octopussy to be honest. Dalton was a good harder-edge Bond but it was ill-advised not to wait till Brosnan finished his contract with NBC and give it to him. He was a way younger and handsome version of Moore but for the youthful neon 80's starting with AVTAK. He'd be a perfect match for Walken and Jones' tempo and the aesthetic of the mid and late 80's where things shifted. I guess give him Moore his first two 80's outings but then hand it to Brosnan.
Best Bond coming through
>live and let die
>literally 45 minutes of a boat chase
holy fricking CRINGE
>ADHD zoomer
>you didn't enjoy this extended episode of dukes of hazard on a boat so you're a zoomer LMAO
frick off you fricking dipshit
better then that frickings cuba diver scene in thunderball
>He doesn't like an hour long boat chase with a whacky Southern sheriff character for comedic relief
ngmi
>discussing kino with casuals
your first mistake
Hardcore Bondies don’t like him and Zoomers can’t understand his films
Depends. Fleming orthodox fans obviously can't stand his movies and prefer Dalton but cinematic Bond fans rate him highly. Myself, I love the Fleming novels but realize cinematic Bond is better for the medium and that it's better they stay separate as they compliment each other wonderfully. Still, the franchise has been dead the moment they cast fricking Craig.
>Fleming orthodox fans obviously can't stand his movies
I don't see why, Roger Moore in his first two movies is closer to the literary character than any actor other than Dalton.
True but those people just love to shit on the movies which made the books iconic in the first place out of a sense of argumentative high ground or whatever.
This isn't true at all though, Dalton often gets praise for his ruthlessness, but the closest to book bond happens to be Lazenby.
Not saying he's a great actor by the way, all the others are obviously better. But the character in OHMS is closest to book Bond, I think outside of Craig at the end of CR, Lazenby is the only actor that got to show Bond's fragility.
Book bond goes through a lot of shit, is brazen, is angry and bold and suave, but he's also a man afraid of getting wounded, mutilated, he's sometimes even morose.
When Bond is taking a breather to take stock of his situation at the Christmas festival down the mountain from Blofelds place and Tracy shows up, I think that's the best moment in the whole franchise of movies, and the most true to the written Bond.
He's afraid, he's relieved, he's in love.
That moment in the book just felt so damn good. Beautiful salvation.
Imagine Dalton in OHMSS. It would win be 10/10. I don't mind the usual Bond movie style and tone (i fricking eat that stuff up) but Dalton's movies had that AND some real drama and character writing that made you invest and love the characters genuinely. They were the best no doubt. OHMSS is the perfect starrer for Dalton, in an ideal world.
Agree bond bro. I feel OHMSS also suffers from its heavy swinging sixties style, but that might just be Austin Powers in the back of my head.
I rewatched OHMSS just a few days ago and I came in expecting a wretched Lazenby performance, and instead found myself reassessing my preconceived notions of Lazenby. He's certainly wooden at times and seemingly unsure of himself, but I find it works in his favour a lot of the time.
It's interesting that you should bring up the very scene which I too found to be the most remarkable. Lazenby's performance as the hunted, vulnerable Bond - with the jacket pulled up over his head - and the subsequent shot of a pair of ice skates stopping in front of him, the camera panning up revealing his guardian angel, is one of the great israeliteels of the Bond franchise.
Lazenby in the final scene is also powerfully moving in his solemness and almost reserved grief.
This was Dalton in 1969 and was considered back then for OHMSS. You think he could have cut it?
nta, but honestly he was too young. He just got off The Lion in Winter (great film btw) and he was only 21 years old. Lazenby was the right age for the peak physical Bond but maybe a little inexperienced or not quite trusted by MI6 yet.
He was offered the role in 1979. He should've taken it.
This. Him having the 80's to himself would have solidified his legacy but apparently it wasn't more of him rejecting but the producers not being able to let Moore go after Moonraker's profit. They probably regretted it but still.
Possibly, but I think Lazenby, while not the best Bond, is the best Bond for the movie, as someone put it.
I think Lazenby's action-figure style lends the movie a sense of pulp, in a good way, which is compellingly contrasted with the movie's heartfelt and vulnerable core.
It also seems to me that Lazenby grew as an actor during the film; he's quite weak in the alpine scenes but better back in London - in M's office after Tracey has been kidnapped for example - which makes me think they might have done the alpine location shots first.
>It also seems to me that Lazenby grew as an actor during the film
Broccoli did say to him that if he continued with more films he may have become the best Bond. I tend to agree, I mean people give him a lot of shit but it was his first ever acting gig.
He was good because no one knew him and he'd become Bond in the public conscious because of his simple nature and looks, allowing the audience to self-insert so he'd be beloved if he continued more. He never did and probably regrets it every waking moment.
Lazenby almost married a royal.
He was the perfect age in TLD
Perfect level of intensity
Still the best debut flick for any Bond
You are right. People harp on the Afghanistan segment and the villains but they got filtered. Gorgeous locations to shoot and the villains were just a bunch of based guys fricking girls and making money.
>People harp on the Afghanistan segment and the villains but they got filtered.
Never understood those takes. People retroactively impose today's politics into these films and don't understand the intention behind it at the time. Dalton's films wanted to go back to Fleming spy intrigue and to ground it in a semi-realistic setting. Back then Afghanistan was considered The USSR's Vietnam, so why not make a comment on it or have Bond participate in that geopolitical reality? Doing things like that with the story accentuates the fantasy and gives the audience something they haven't seen before.
He could have been aged up with make up pretty easily, producers just didn't want to gamble on a new actor to play the role. both connery and moore walked out on their own volition rather than executive demand.
I watched this movie he did in 1969 and he's a full grown fricking adult anyway. A little boyish but nothing that can't be overlooked. If only he picked the mantle by then. It's funny that you say that and then they picked a fricking car salesman. Dalton being the Bond of the 70's and 80's is the reality I want to live in.
IF THERE WAS A MAN I COULD DREAAAAAMMM OF
Yeah, Lazenby is not a great actor but I find it hard to picture an older Connery or even a young Dalton doing OHMSS and it having the same effect. They did their best to hide Lazenby's weaknesses and to highlight the strengths of the film, which were ultimately the supporting cast and the action set-pieces. Lazenby has arguably the best physical presence, he looks much more convincing in a fight than Moore or even Brosnan. I kind of like the idea of the action-figure version of Bond being gradually humanised over the course of the film, and the tragedy in OHMSS works because of that basic love story premise.
>Lazenby in the final scene
I have also re-watched several of the older ones and I kept thinking that Connery wouldn't have delivered in this particular instance. Throughout the entire film, but especially here. Not unless he would have changed completely the way he plays the role.
Remember how Connery performs at the beginning of the very next film when the topic of the love of Bond's life comes up? I wonder if he'd change delivery of the character completely had he acted in OHMSS. Continuing into the next film, with the revenge and all.
I am someone who gives Lazenby his fair shake but this movie would have been a monument had it had Connery. Seeing his Bond who couldn't care less about girls and is a larger than life ubermensch fall in love only for his wife to be brutally murdered right after and making his final movie a brutal revenge flick would have been kino as all frick but obviously too heavy for audiences back then.
You can't be a hardcore 007 fan and hate Roger Moore, those are mutually exclusive
>tfw you learn they almost replaced Roger with some American who didn't even attempt an English accent
The frick were they thinking?
There's plenty of hardcore novel-only fans who don't like it but then again those people are full of shit since the novels had some shit even Moore himself would find too silly so their complaints are nonsense most of the time.
To add, I think this guy would have made an excellent Felix Leiter for Dalton's Bond and who knows, a Leiter spinoff wouldn't be THAT crazy.
The original novels are interesting, but let's be real, if it weren't for the films they'd be in the dustbin of history along with Mike Hammer and Charlie Chan.
This. The novels are just the power fantasies of an old retired vet and they certainly gathered enough steam to get media made out of them but if Dr. No wasn't a success, the franchise would never have existed. It makes one wonder that Saltzman actually wanted Moore since back then. It feels blasphemous to say about Sean but I think he'd make as much of an impact as Connery.
The best Bond was Ian Fleming himself
1. Moore
2. Connery
3. Dalton
4. Brosnan
5. Lazenby
6. Craig
Based. I just watched TMwTGG and holy frick, I haven't enjoyed a movie as much as that in years.
Great film. One of the best themes and villains too.
And the funny midget lol
And dare I say it... best Bond girl?
I wouldn't call her the best, but she's definitely underrated. Yes she's a clumsy ditz, so what? Not every Bond girl needs to be the wronged woman girl seeking revenge on the villain. She was good eye candy and had charm and that's plenty.
>best Bond girl
that would be these two
>yankee girl who is le girlboss but then becomes within two minutes of meeting Bond becomes submissive trad tomboy waifu
>ingenue deredere slav waifu who calls you BAKA
Dalton had it TOO good. For me, Bond ended with License to Kill. Everything after is non-canon like CR (1967).
Forgive the ESL shit I chopped up the text too much wanting to say something else.
Good taste anon.
I don't understand why people like Kara. She's boring and doesn't show any skin. Bond girls should show skin otherwise they might as well not be in the movie
It's the waifu appeal, anon.
she's a moron who betrays Bond halfway into the film, for a guy who pumped and dumped her and then fled the country
True lol but she's easily the cutest of the Bond girls.
>those digits
WITNESSED
She is the typical weak blonde girly girl who is afraid of everything except when she isn't in a rare moment of DM fiat kinds of "brilliance". She is safe. They are afraid of encountering a woman who is something more.
Granted in today's climate it is warranted but Bond films are from not one but two eras ago.
So...she is a classic feminine woman? What's so wrong with that? That's what men want cause they are appealing wives.
nta but Bond girls are supposed to be sexy bombshells, not weak willed arthoes who dress like librarians. What makes it even worse is that the actress is a total eurobawd who gets naked in just about every other movie she made. So why the frick is she dressed like a nun in Living Daylights? Gay as hell
Tbf Bond girls are supposed to be of all flavours because that's more exciting and I loved Kara for the waifuness but generally you're right but anon consider the time period. AIDS was rampant and they, stupidly, thought not having Bond sleep around would be a better look.
She is a "classic" feminine weak and completely braindead woman. It's not the only kind of traditional, feminine woman represented in the series. Some examples were already posted ITT. I prefer the one from "A View to Kill", even by a slight margin.
For such a small butt it causes so much trouble.
>HE HAS A POWERFUL WEAPON
>HE CHARGES A MILLION A SHOT
>AN ASSASSIN SECOND TO NONE
>THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUUUUUN
kino
three nipples
One of my top 3 Bond films, it has the best location photography of the series. It makes the Southeast Asia look like a paradise, and then you have cool indoor locations like the half sunken ship, the Bottoms Up Club and Scaramanga's Lair. Every scene makes you wish you could live inside the movie
Agreed. Good post, anon.
Scaramanga's weird funhouse lair and the climax of the movie that takes place in it, which is perfectly foreshadowed by the very beginning and lets us see how smart Bond is, was one of the most creative things Bond movies had done up to that point. It was honestly really jarring. I wonder what made them decide to do that?
Nothing but pure creativity, mastery of the craft, 70's culture being all gonzo and out there and SOVL.
Truth, but I like all of Moore's Bond films and that car stunt where the car does a barrel roll.
It's fantastic. I love that the ending is just a duel that turns into a game of cat and mouse between them. It was such a nice change of pace compared to most of the movies that came before since they all mostly ended with a bunch of dudes shooting at eachother, which you'd think would be more entertaining. But we're here for Bond, not all these random dudes.
I like Moore the best because of a really weird autistic reason. With first names, I always associate a certain type of person with it. Like John, James, Jesse and whatnot. Roger always looked like he was called James and that for me, made his movies more believable and I liked them more. It felt real when he said his name was James Bond. He looked like a James to me, when the others don't. This always made me prefer his Bond over the rest. I do genuinely think he was the best generally though.
>I do genuinely think he was the best generally though.
Moore was def the best, and he only did it when he was older because of pic related, filming the Saint
I’m a Connery guy, but Moore’s films were kino. Don’t understand the hate.
connery's bond seemed like he'd acquired expensive habits and developed taste through his work, while moore's had had them before and incorporated them into his work life.
both are good bonds, moore's style develops more after a few films as he settled into it.
No Bond has ever had an outfit as fricking cool as this. Simple as.
Love how he uses a Smith & Wesson instead of a PPK
>We want the dirty harry audience!
Name a song from any other Bond movie as SOVLful as this. Just fills you up with positivity and lust for life.
DARLIN' YOU'RE THE BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESST
best song
This is the most objective ranking. I hope that in the most improbable of scenarios, Bond 26 returns to classic KGB/Russia kino now that they're le bad again because they made for THE best Bond movies.
>TSWLM in the Perfect tier
Finally, someone gets it. Iconic Ken Adams sets, great stunts, costume design, and romantic premise. The best of Moore.
People like to harp on the villain being a stand-in for Blofeld but he's memorable and classic villain with lair and then there's Naomi. The rest is so mindbogglingly good Stromberg being kind of flat doesn't make a dent at all.
where are casino royale 1967?
Goldeneye only a "meh"?
I don't hate it and find the Alec/Bond dynamic great but the fact is the whole movie is so strange. It gets 1 hour for Bond to go anywhere, then there's female M, an ugly Moneypenny who cries wolf about SH, Natalya being a computer programmer but being Bond's equal and knowing how to use a gun to show that she's not a damsel. It really brings it down for me and it misses that 80's SOVL. Feels so drought to me. Xenia, Alec, Ouromov, the theme, the ending fight between Bond and Alec are fantastic but nothing I'd prefer over the classics, fren. Just have M be a man again, cast a cute Moneypenny, drop the whole 'Bond is le relic' and I'd put in very good. It's a shame because Brosnan, even being a huge Daltongay, would have been a great 80's Bond but came in too little too late. It's a shame because Brosnan looks so fricking good as Bond it's unreal.
I still really enjoy it, but fair points. It is very 90s, with the female M, modern HQ, BMW etc. For me the highlights (e.g. Sean Bean) outweigh those issues.
If you ignore those (which is hard since they're so fricking glaring even for the time) the rest is fantastic and clearly Brosnan movies were still made with men in mind but with a slight 90's PC coat of paint.
I still can't consider them 'canon' in my eyes because Cubby passed away and Barbara was in charge but they're still good flicks. Brosnan had some fricking great lines no doubt. If he had a male M and a different Moneypenny, he'd be in contention for second or first place.
>Would you like to check my figures?
>Oh, I'm sure they're perfectly rounded.
I like Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies (my friend and I used to say "He was like a fahtha to me!" all the time), but I'm not a fan of TWINE or, especially, Die Another Day. DAD had the fricking invisible car and Bond surfing a CGI wave and not-Q, but I might have to rewatch TWINE to properly articulate why that didn't work for me, since I'm not sure it was that different from Brosnan's first two. Maybe the girl being the villain and the assumed villain turning out to be a simp, and not particularly memorable? Yeah, probably those things.
>Maybe the girl being the villain and the assumed villain turning out to be a simp
This ruined the movie, even back then people felt this. There's no reason to make Elektra the real mastermind so the surprise is because she's le girl and make the villain some cuck who just lets his woman get fricked by Bond for le plan. They should have made Elektra his lacky and him the based villain he should have been with his whole no pain gimmick + dropped the whole personal vendetta with M she had. First drafts of TWINE barely had Bond, a bad premonition of the Craig era. Sophie Marceau was SEX though and her chemistry with Pierce was off the charts. CJ was hot as frick but I heard they almost cast Neve Campbell for it instead which would have been interesting as she seems more of a nerdy science girl but still DR is H.O.T
>ELEKTRA FINDING ANOTHER MAN?! NO, I DON'T WANT THAT! I WANT HER TO THINK ABOUT ME AND NO ONE ELSE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! EVEN AFTER I DIE, I WANT TO BE AT THE FRONT OF HER MIND FOR A WHILE! TEN YEARS AT LEAST
>Brosnan had some fricking great lines no doubt.
"You wouldn't kill me. You'd miss me."
(shot the b***h)
"i never miss"
Great fricking moment, pure Bond. It makes me fricking seethe if only he somehow could have done AVTAK, TLD and whatever else in the 80's under a real Cubby movie. He would have given Connery and Moore a run for their money back then. Still comes close but just missed that extra spark from being in a TRUE Bond production. He had it all, even some of that hard edge of Dalton and Moore's laid back gentleman demeanour. Damn shame he had to be stuck with his daughter's movies although DAD is pretty fricking based for a 2000's movie.
he will always be my favorite bond hes the reason i got into bond films in the first place
Same. I understand acknowledge the proto-wokeness of his films and some of the wasted potential and how some of his statements years after (female Bond, Idris for Bond) may have people against him but I still think fondly of Pierce and always will.
>those late 2000's cool nights playing Nightfire on PS2 after putting one of the movies on DVD in your Sony TV
SOVL.
Pierce is Games Bond.
>Goldeneye only a "meh"?
Yes. It's a dull fricking film with a few decent set pieces. The Nintendo game was superior to the film.
Very similar to my rankings that I post in every Bond thread. Curious, perhaps I am contributing to the ongoing discourse and reception of Bond.
Tbh anon I only visit this board and site for Bond threads because funnily enough it is the best place to find honest and genuine Bond fans and discussion. I once visited the Bond subreddit out of morbid curiosity and wanted to gouge out my eyes. MI6 forums are the same homosexual Craig fans who can't stop talking about politics. I love the threads here, the most enjoyable discussion i've had in years.
Good list. The only thing i would honestly change is putting Goldeneye in good
>man with the golden gun is nearly bottom tier
moron detected.
Move both Casino and Goldeneye to the top and I'll take that list
not a bad list.
goldeneye is a meme born out of people remembering their older brother playing the nintendo game which was already mediocre compared to pc shooters at the time.
the film itself has a lame villain, lame premise, two scots with terrible fake russian accents, and cartoon like action. not to mention the 10 minute long dinosaur speech and feminist nonsense.
Well, I never played the game, but it came out when I was 19, so I'm sure part of my liking it is due to a general nostalgia for that time. I maintain it's a enjoyable film, though, and…
>a lame villain
…? Bean was awesome. Also, he's a Yorkshireman, not Scotch.
Bean was great of course, the issue is how the character is written. He's interesting at first, a former double O who becomes a crime lord to get revenge on the British Government. But wait... ACKSHUALLY he just wants to make a lot of money... despite already being a filthy rich mobster. Just so Bond can have a line calling him a common thief? Lame
This ruined the character for me. No vendetta against Mi6 when he has more cause than that gay in Skyfall, the whole concept of Alec being the coolest thing ever but then he just wants to make money and isn't all that mad at James. Lame and anti-climactic.
Isn't he stealing from the Bank of England, though? Yeah, he's a common thief, but he's also getting revenge, no?
True, I don't know what the other anons are talking about. What he was doing was the ultimate revenge. Basically bankrupting England and fricking it over for YEARS. Maybe a taking-down-the-MI6 plot like in Skyfall but not gay and lame would have been kino but still, not that bad.
I wonder if the feminist stuff doesn't look a little worse with hindsight, knowing it was the beginning of the end. Granted, I don't like it either (and btw, I'm not saying Goldeneye would be in my top five Bonds or anything; just that I'd rate it higher than "meh"), but, for instance, Dench being proven wrong on the existence of Goldeneye and Brosnan nailing that ditzy broad sent to assess him are two things you'd never see these days.
You are on crack, Goldeneye is late-Cold War spy kino.
It's 5 years after the Cold War ended, not late Cold War.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/07a314d5-89ef-443f-bb28-4ff2566f03a0
Why is Moonraker hated? I enjoyed it a lot.
I like all Bonds.
Except Craig.
Yes, I even like the Aussie guy who can't act. It's harder to notice bad acting if you watch with LEKTOR.
Lazenby has a charm, I always thought as a kid he was an actual MI6 agent that somehow the producers casted as Bond. I like to pretend that's still the case but he fit the role on paper. Craig....yeah I'd like to forget the motherfricker even exists.
Brosnan was the best Bond, but it doesn't help that almost every direction in his movies is flawed that it makes him look bad.
Goldeneye could have been so much better.
Honestly the video games did him more justice.
>Brosnan was the best Bond
Not even close, I only ever see this opinion from Americans and Nintendo gamers. Brosnan lacks the physicality, the hard-edge and his one-liners were middling at best, especially if you compare him to Connery and Moore. And I'm sorry, but he simply looks too Irish, like country never left the farm type Irish.
He looks good for the role in a more general sense, like how people would perceive the character but yeah he didn't have anything special. He hit the right beats for sure but that X factor was lost. Plus, you have to consider his age when making his Bond movies. If he had done TLD, I think I'd give him a fairer shake under a REAL Cubby joint.
>hey goy- I mean guys I was James Bond you k-know...re-remember me?
>looks worse than Pierce Brosnan despite being almost two decades younger
alcoholism?
Shit genes and looks like a Med European. Pierce Brosnan is a fricking specimen, pure pretty boy in his youth and looks fricking fantastic for his age. Craig has actual britbong genes and a hint of slav ancestry. He looked horrible back then and is disgusting to look at now. Frick him for shitting on the character that made him worth a damn.
*Brosnan looks like a Med European.
>this poster is an american and has no idea about biology, heritage, geography or genetics
>goes to gay bars because he's too scared of fighting
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/oct/14/daniel-craig-says-he-goes-to-gay-bars-to-avoid-fights-at-straight-venues
They casted THIS guy as James Bond.
he alsoe left out his children out of his will because white privilege
Most Moore's Bond movies are more out there and not as gritty as the modern Bond movies, which is what many fans want
He is my favorite Bond too though
you haven't seen all his films, maybe not even half
The problem with Moore is that everything about his films is constantly tongue-in-cheek, even his nonchallant performance. It doesn't take itself seriously, there's no real drama nor stakes, like it's the forerunner to Marvel quips-based slop.
>comparing Moore's SOVL to Marvel goyslop.
You have zero media literacy. Moore's quips are sincere boomer comedy while Marvel is millenial irony and self-referential humour straight out of ResetERA or Twitter, worlds apart in terms of approach.
Cope. Sure it's more soulful, but it's still taking out the dramatic weight of everything to keep the movie lighthearted. Which I don't need in a Bond movie. Connery had just the right balance of humor and seriousness.
I didn't say he sucks, I said what problem I see with it, as in what keeps it from being more than good sunday afternoon entertainment.
Also
>hurr you made a typo
please.
All right, mate. I was only joshing with you.
homie, you can't even spell nonchalant.
OK - I can understand why some Bond fans hate Moore, because his films (for the most part) have a very different tone from those of the others in the series. Doesn't mean his Bond sucks - it's just a different beast.
This and comparing them to Marvel is just wrong on so many levels.
yeah whereas bronsan was always deadly earnest and didn't look like a clown smirking to himself about the fact he was in a bond film
>I'M INVINCIBLE!!!!!!
>shatters
moronic shit
All Bond films ranked with the exception of Casino Royale (1967)
1. Thunderball
2. Goldfinger
3. Goldeneye
4. Dr. No
5. The Man With The Golden Gun
6. License To Kill
7. Moonraker
8. Live And Let Die
9. The Living Daylights
10. You Only Live Twice
11. A View To Kill
12. From Russia With Love
13. Tomorrow Never Dies
14. Diamonds Are Forever
15. Octopussy
16. The Spy Who Loved Me
17. Casino Royale
18. For Your Eyes Only
19. The World Is Not Enough
20. Die Another Day
21. OHMSS
22. Never Say Never Again
23. Skyfall
24. Spectre
25. Quantom Of Solace
26. No Time To Die
1.Dalton
2.Brosnan
3.Moore
4.Connery
5.Lazenby
6.Craig
Good rankings even with FYEO that low. I think it had one of the most wifeable Bond girls and a great theme and nice, tense stakes.
here's my rankings:
1.the man with the golden gun
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28. goldeneye
1.moore
2.connery
3. lazenby
4. dalton
5.craig
6. david niven
7. mike myers
8. bronsan
Why don't you like Craig? Diamonds Are Forever over Casino Royale is insane
No, it's not. Much more fun movie and actually Bond. If you're a Bond fan, you'll go for the fun Bond movie than Jason Bourne: Britbong Edition.
Figures lmao
>Sean Connery in OHMSS
or
>Timothy Dalton in GoldenEye
You can only pick one.
i'd rather goldeneye was deleted from history, so ru paul in the other one would still be better.
Dalton in GoldenEye, easy decision. However we'll title it The Property of a Lady instead and rework the script
Dalton in GoldenEye. Daltonkino > the rest. Go read the original script for GoldenEye, it'd be a movie on the same level as FRWL and LTK. It was brilliant stuff.
https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/Goldeneye.pdf
Dalton, easily. He wanted to come back. For Connery it would have been just a paycheck.
I can't choose
Brosnan = Moore > Connery = Dalton > Craig >>> Lazenby
I actually started watching all the Bonds in order for the first time recently. Up until that the only ones I had seen were Craig. Holy frick Moore and Connery blow everyone out of the water. I just got to Dalton and his first appearance was kind of lame. His Bond feels way too serious. I didn't think I would get over Connery leaving because I loved him so much, but man Moore really won me over. I think he might be my favorite. His movies are much more watchable than most of Connery's. A lot of Connery movies feel like the exact same movie repeated. But damn is he suave.
I won't even acknowledge Lazenby.
I think if Connery and Moore were your thing, you'll love Pierce but SKIP the scene with female M in GoldenEye entirely.
I hope I like him. Not a fan of Dalton but thankfully he's not around for long. Dalton's not bad, I just like cheeky Bond better. It's hard going from like 14 movies of Bond being that cheeky lad and then The Living Daylights has a pretty aggressive, relatively serious, and violent Bond.
I recommend revisiting them after you've watched all of Brosnan's movies somewhere down the line. Maybe read some of the books, easily findable on the internet for free. Dalton is that book Bond brought to life, due to his request, but TLD was written for a Brosnan type (who actually got the role but had to bow out due to another contract) actor due to it's fun and adventurous nature. LTK is hard-edged but one really appreciates it after watching them all. Don't even bother with Craig, honestly. I like that there are more Bondbros every day even with no new content on the horizon.
I've seen all the Craig ones and then decided to go back and watch all the old ones in chronological order. I think there's space for them all to coexist. Modern Bond are movies adapted for modern audiences. But with the rise in love for camp stuff, I think it would be a good time to bring the classic Bond style back. But I'll keep an open mind with Dalton.
ahh yes, I forgot you wrote that. Do excuse me. That modern style thing only worked for CR and QoS then they just went for this schizophrenic style and tone where they broguht back classic things like Moneypenny and DB5 just to subvert them (MP is a black field agent woman, DB5 is destroyed) they were evil movies tbh, just ripping out the heart of Bond fans. Still though, CR and QoS are a nice time. Do keep an open mind, you'll find he grows on you when you pay attention to the small details in his performance. By pure ability, he was the best actor to play the role.
>MP is a black field agent woman
I have no problem with that honestly. The scene where she's shaving his face in Skyfall was great so I'm glad that even though she's evolved to do more as a character, they kept the overt flirtiness. I'm tired of things being either completely asexual or overly hyper-sexual. I miss the teasing and flirting. It was nice.
Yeah, after FRWL Connery does do the same thing and was visibly bored with the role after Goldfinger while Moore enjoyed himself all the way through. Moore's movies are better in this regard of diverse plots.
Nobody does
Post kino Bond villains
This guy was so fricking kino and he was in FRWL for way too little and got tricked like a moron.
>The first won't kill you. Not the second. Not even the third. Not until you crawl over here and kiss. my. foot.
KINO.
I've tried getting into Moore and accepting his interpretation of Bond, but I just can't do it. He walks around stiff like a Ken doll, quips with one eyebrow raised, and is so sexually inert around women one might think him a homosexual.
I wouldn't really say that he got tricked like a moron; in many ways Grant was Bond's mirror image except Bond's committent to his ideals was unwavering while Grant's was not, and Bond exploited that. It's interesting how they manage to pack the interaction between Grant and Bond with so much implicit class tension, like Bond's comment that he "should have known" when Grant ordered red wine, or when Grant retorts that it's Bond who is on his knees. It says a lot that everyone remembers the train fight scene but none of the ensuing action sequences (like the uninspired boat chase).
Unfortunately, Roger Moore was the worst Bond but he was in the best Bond movies.
>Romanova is a very dedicated woman, loyal to her country and eager to participate in what she believes is an important mission. After being told that her life depends on accepting the mission, she receives her briefing, a "true labor of love", according to Klebb. These events are followed by a bizarre scene where Klebb asks Romanova to come close to her, after having put on a pink negligee, to which Romanova responds by simply bursting out of Klebb's chambers in a desperate run.
Would it have been too coombrain for Bond?
Post kino Bond themes
Post REJECTED kino Bond themes, too. This one is so catchy but the Blondie one would have been so fitting for Dalton had he accepted to start from FYEO
The Radiohead spectre theme would have fit the depression Craig bond better
Their original pick Man of War was way better.
It was so gay and lame but then again perfect for Craig. Just go the theater to be depressed and demoralized and see Craig's Bond's traumatic childhood where he got fricked up the ass. This one is THE BEST rejected Bond theme, it was apparently meant for TLD but was cut due to PSB wanting to do the entire score, replacing John Barry. Just pure atmospheric 80's synth SOVL.
>70's rock Bond theme
Mad we didn't get this.
>this must be the face I weigh two jars to Leigh
My favorite is Dalton but Moore is great as well.
Why is Dalton your favorite? Just asking.
He has a lot of presence on screen, I like the way he portrays the character with lots of chivalry and elegance, he feels like a more serious bond akin Connery's more serious moments but keeping that tone for an entire movie. Also Living Daylights is tied with Goldeneye for my favorite Bond movie.
That makes sense. I think he didn't sit well with me because I love cheeky heroes like Moore Bond, so the more serious approach threw me off guard. I'll go back some time and watch The Living Daylights.
>I think he didn't sit well with me because I love cheeky heroes like Moore Bond
That's alright, there's a Bond for everyone. I loved the "always in control" tone of Moore's portrayal, the fact he walks into a room and women are already fawning over him, but he also manages to pull it off (both looks and acting wise) is both hilarious and fun to watch, but the script is also good because it uses that factor as a tool to make the movie progress in fun ways and getting him in and out of situations that make use of the cool sets built for his movies.
>He's a man's man in every sense and a true gentleman spy
Yeah that's the feeling I get from him, it's a type of character I feel drawn to in any movie or show.
>I loved the "always in control" tone of Moore's portrayal
I like how instead of being like Connery and just fricking around for fun, Moore started seducing women for information at a point. He wasn't just trying to get laid, he was using his appeal for his mission. It's a nice little detail I liked.
This anon gets it. The rest are great obviously but when you get at a certain stage at life, Dalton just appeal to you more. He's a man's man in every sense and a true gentleman spy. He smokes cigarettes which adds to the glamour. He was the best. I am not mad he only did two because they're the best in the franchise by a long mile. Just so good on every level. Plus, they have my wife.
The early actors all played somewhat different kinds of Bond, and I like all of them for their own merits.
This. We can argue back and forth and it is fun but the bottomline is that they were all fricking great hence why the series continued for so long until Craig came in.
Something I also realized watching the old movies for the first time is how incredible some of the sets are. Nowadays this would all be greasy-looking greenscreen effects.
Kubrick had a hand in the lighting.
My dad worked in film back in the day and got to see some of these sets in person, he was flabbergasted at the scale.
When movies were the top tier SOVLful entertainment they used to be.
Utter kino. The dedication, effort and simplicity in style mogs the frick out of the Disney green screen slop we see today.
That's SIR Roger Moore KBE
I come in late, and the 1st thing I see is this based-as-frick thread.
It's never a Bond thread without you, Moore bro. I hope you're having a good day and being well.
I love a good Moore appreciation thread. Have a blessed day, Dalton Bro.
My mum told me that in the 80s she met Roger Moore and Michael Caine in a trailer while they were filming a movie. She said they were extremely gentlemanly, but she may have been Moore'd. Honestly wouldn't blame her tbh.
What's a good Moore movie outside the Bond franchise?
>mfw anon is the heir to Moore's wealth and the successor to the Bond title
Sherlock Holmes in New York.
lol. Bullseye (1990) a Michael Winner film. I can remember watching it as a kid.
>"James I want you to creampie me repeatedly even though you're over twice my age and a friend of my Uncle, who also wants to frick me."
Bond was right to dodge her. What the frick was her problem?
Figured out very early on that success usually comes to those who ruthlessly climb, no matter the cost.
>Look, I owe it to Anon. He's put his IP on the line for me many times.
>Oh, spare me this Redditor rubbish! He knew the risks posting sneed
>Then you have my resignation.
>Cinemaphile IS NOT A COUNTRY CLUB, ANON
>Dr. Sneed
>From Sneed's with Feed
>Sneedfinger
>ThunderSneed
>You Only Sneed Twice
>On Her MajeSneed's Secret Service
>Sneeds are Forever
>Sneed and Let Feed
>The Sneed with the Golden Feed
>The Sneed Who Loved Me
>Sneedraker
>For Your Sneed Only
>Sneedpussy
>Never Sneed Never Again
>A View to a Sneed
>The Living Sneedlights
>License to Sneed
>GoldenSneed
>Sneed Never Dies
>The World is Not Sneednough
>Sneed Another Day
>CaSneedo Royale
>Quantum of Sneedlace
>Sneedfall
>Sneed
>No Time to Sneed
>On Her MajeSneed's Secret Service
>CaSneedo Royale
God damn you.
>sneedpussy
Even if his movies sucked it doesn't take away from the fact that Moore himself is a good Bond.
Does anyone know what the reactions were like to the various recastings? Obviously there was all that outrage because Craig was blonde, but Moore had brown hair that wasn't very dark. I'm just curious what the public reactions were to each recasting.
I can only speak for when Craig came in but man the assblasting was SEVERE. People were losing their fricking shit because it was almost a fact that Henry Cavill or Clive Owen had gotten the part. One got close, the other turned out to not be considered. Dalton was lukewarm from what I gather, people were expecting Brosnan since he was cast and then not cast. Moore was popular as hell in the 70's so not much blowback there seemingly. Lazenby was a collective 'LITERALLY WHO?!'.
Re Craig, there was the whole business with him showing up to the first press thing in a life jacket as well. Trivial perhaps, but putting petty modern-day health 'n' safety over style was still a bad omen.
>Mrs..?
>Chew Me.
>Really?
I fricking love Moore.
He's literally too cultured for the modern viewer, they hear him being polite and sophisticated and think he's just being weak. Can't even imagine a script this good in a bond movie nowadays:
And this is from his worst movie, arguably.
I forget how good Christopher Lee and Based Moore are together
I'd say his worst one is View to a Kill.
His worst is Moonraker. Weakest script, terrible editing, lame action scenes, Bond girls are forgettable, Jaws is turned into Wile E. Coyote, the only good element is the main villain.
>Craig's final disaster of a film steals Lazenby's movie's theme songs and rips it off soullessly because zoomers haven't watched OHMSS and wouldn't notice
This made me so fricking angry.
OHMSS has an awesome fricking soundtrack. It doesn't have a traditional Bond theme but I love when it plays throughout the movie, especially during the ski chase
Some of his movies aren't so good but they're still enjoyable flicks and he's always cool.
Roger Moore had the balls to appear on The Muppet Show, so he wins by default. Without that, he's still the best.
Really happy to see a lot of love for OHMSS in this thread. It's such a good movie and I'm glad that Lazenby's one movie is seen as a classic by real Bond fans, I wouldn't change anything about it besides "this never happened to the other guy 😉
Yeah, I pretend that scene never happened cause it's so fricking bad and unneccesary. An actual fun fact is that Lazenby never did a proper gunbarrel but fricked around and did the knee drop one day but the fun thing is that it can be taken as a foreshadowing of Bond getting married in the film, though unintentionally.
The Hillary Bray stuff is the only thing that really drags down the film for me. I understand what they were going for and it is a nice tonal shift into more 1969 sexual revolution stuff, but Lazenby just cannot pull off the character. Only blemish in an otherwise gorgeous film
Lazenby was dubbed over for those scenes which doesn't help.
On a side note does anyone know what rifles the Piz Gloria guards use? They look really cool and modern for the 60s
Looks like something of Fabrique Nationale make. FAL that handle up top but maybe it's a variant.
Stg 57. Old Cold War Swiss army rifle, cool isnt it.
Somewhat related, I visited Piz Gloria in real life this summer just gone. Thoroughly recommend the experience to anyone.
>oh, it's a Sturmgewehr
>wait, it's a different kind of Sturmgewehr
>7.5 mm
>over 5 kg
It was a different time.
>"this never happened to the other guy 😉
That line threw me off so much because no other Bond says anything like this. It was so weird to experience.
Yeah I hate it, he's literally the same Bond as Connery's version, we see he still keeps Honey Ryder's dagger in his desk at MI6. So it's nothing but just a bizarre 4th wall break in an otherwise pretty serious movie
Why would he have that? Also, Red Grant's watch with the garrote wire? Whole scene is memberberries lmao
Honey Ryder could have given it him? Is it really that unreasonable to think he keeps momentos from his past missions
Eh, still. It was a funny little scene even if it fricks with the canon. I still think it was something shot to make people warm up to Lazenby..
>tfw no Pam gf
i'm gonna blow my brains out
what's your favourite Bond waifu, bros?
Tatiana
Bondbros, I just fricking love Bond. Pure escapism fantasies to the max. Imagining a life so exciting, meeting new people, going places, experiencing world altering events and coming out on top of adversity and saving the world while the girl you made the journey with jumps in your arms. I've stopped watching Western kosher media for years and only watch anime but JB is pretty much anime with the power fantasy, fan service and humour, barring the ones made after Brosnan. If you Bondbros want something like Bond but anime, get into Golgo 13 who's creator did licensed Bond manga.