>"that boy is our last hope"
>"no.....there is another....."
How the frick did obi-won not recognize the droids or know that Leah was also a force sensitive skywalker?
Shit makes so sense
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>"that boy is our last hope". >"no.....there is another....."
Yoda was talking about a boy he was having delivered via a discrete child trafficking network.
Wasn't Obi Wan literally fricking sitting there with Yoda and Bail Organa talking about splitting up the twins?
People need to give Empire an honest re-look. It's the worst in the franchise.
>it's bad because Revenge of the Sith couldn't reconcile plot points
its the best star wars movie. go to bed george
The reason why people think it's the best is because it has the best CGI in the redux version that came out in the 90s.
False
The vader fan service was nice, the rest was forgettable tbh.
Ironically, Vaders presence in the movie made it worse. It was working way better having the force as this mystical thing. Then come these jarring scenes with Vader. The general showing up at Mustafar was the worst scene in the movie. It was so out of place from the rest of the film.
>The general showing up at Mustafar was the worst scene in the movie.
I agree with this one, they could have dropped that scene entirely. He really needed that hallway scene though, after the PT gave nobody any good Vader in his prime in the suit, only endless whine. It would have been much better if it just came out of nowhere at the end, without the other scene,
Why are you blaming TESB for retcons introduced in ROTJ and the prequels?
>darth vader is your father, I just lied to you earlier lol
TESB started with the retcons
Yeah, but that was an actually good retcon, even if ROTJ did a terrible job of handling Obi-Wan.
Obi wan is a dick. that is the whole point of the films
>refuses to acknowledge R2s existence because is a racist against droids
>realizes who Luke is and lies to him so he will kill Vader
>doesn't consider Leia to be important because she's a woman
You're not considering the possibility that Obi Wan is simply sexist and never considered a scenario where a woman defeats the Sith.
>Prequel continuity
Not to mention Hershlag named them both before dying. So yeah, Obi Wan knew exactly who they both were and never bothered to pull Luke aside and say "put that boner away, she's your sister". Swell guy. Real good friend material.
Obi wan is not a hero and lucas knew it but for some reason there's people out in audience land treating him that way
Also Obi Wan saved Leia and went on adventures with her when she was a kid
To give them the benefit of the doubt, Yoda was the only one to see Leia had the seed of a force user in her. I'd let that ride as an explanation, considering the class of SW writing since the 2000s I'd accept that.
>I never watched Obi wan show so if they had him seeing 12 year old Leia moving rocks with her mind and shit then I dunno
>>I never watched Obi wan show
Based star wars fan rejecting Kathleen Kennedys bullshit
>there when they were born too
Yup, he knew exactly who Leia was.
based obi wan is a misogynist. he is also racist against droids and refused to learn R2s name
Because the prequels are retcons. So is Empire by the way, when it retcons Vader into this super important person who happens to be Luke's father. In the original film he isn't and his literal name (first name last name) is Darth Vader, which is why Obi-wan addresses him as "Darth" when they fight. You should ignore at least everything released after Return of the Jedi, if not all of the movies other than the original. That's the only one that's truly good.
That is true, Lucas was letting the meta influence the films even back in the OT. It bugged me even at the release of Attack of the Clones that the Fetts were suddenly central to the formation of the Imperial army, simply because Boba Fett was a popular character because he had cool-looking armor. That said, he did the same thing with Vader in the OT for pretty much the same reason.
he added fricking ewoks instead of having wookies in RotJ because he wanted to be able to sell shit to kids easier
>when it retcons Vader into this super important person who happens to be Luke's father.
He always was important; he was Obi-Wan's former pupil that was responsible for the betrayal and destruction of the Jedi. Making him Luke's father made him more important to Luke, but there's a big difference between that and the super-powerful Chosen One horseshit Lucas cooked up later with TPM.
It wasn't Leia, he was referring to Ahnn-Uthha: a super-powerful force-sensitive mandalorian droid who appears in the novels.
Obiwon would still know Leah exists and is force sensitive hence luke is not their last hope.
Story makes.no sense
She's a woman though
I think he was actually referring to Mara Jade. There's pretty strong evidence that Lucas created her all the way back in the New Hope days.
Ahnn-Uthha linked up with Dunhier, sneed it or feed it?
Holy shit this took me way too fricking long, I was hearing it with a long u in my head
The films were made up as they went along. The OT, the PT, and the ST.
There's no fricking way he doesn't recognize R2 unless he has jedi dimentia.
He never owned R2. I thought this was actually a relatively clever move by Lucas.
How the frick is it clever?
There was no way to include R2 in the sequels and not have him interact with Obi Wan, so he took advantage of the "don't recall ever OWNING a droid" line as a loophole.
It just reads as shameless more than clever to me, but sure. The issue is that taken in context, the fact a droid he doesn't even know is saying it's owned by him is what piques his interest and tips him off that there's something important going on. After the prequels, the more likely reaction is "Oh you're Anakin's droid that ended up with my old friend Bail. What kind of important Rebel business are you up to?" or just a general immediate recognition. R2 and Threepio showing up in the prequels the way they do is an undeniable contrivance no matter how you slice it.
he could have just been lying moron
He's so triggered by being btfo by a nigress from Disney+ that he pretends to speak subserviently to all he meets. R2 has his memory wiped, so Obi-Wan pretends he has no memory of the event to speak R2's mind.
R2 never had his memory wiped only 3PO
R2 never got his memory wiped, that's why he knew what to do the whole time
Tricked you into replying to me you stupid b***h. HAHAHA
The overimportance of R2 and C-3P0 in the prequels was terrible
>read the text on your pic
Ben never owned a droid. And he certainly never owned R2
He had an R4 droid in AOTC, although the Jedi and or OB probably would say they never truly "owned" it.
Do not try to read planning into Star Wars. There was none.
If you have no life and read/watch George's interviews from oldest to most recent it's hilarious watching his story about what he planned when change and grow into this solid plan he had for everything from day one.
>if you have no life
That's me. And George's constant attempts to gaslight the audience about his intentions are what made me lose respect, not the prequels or special editions themselves
Having to fast forward through these totally up his own ass interviews he stuck before the movies on the VHS special editions is where it started for me tbh
I wonder how much Leonard Maltin charged him for that blowjob
It amazes me how can seem so shy and humble while simultaneously having a huge ego
LF/LA had fanboys most of whom grew up on it knife fighting one another to work there, being surrounded by all of them tossing his ego's salad 24/7 did his ego absolutely no favors, part of why the PT is such a mess. Just thought anything he shat out was pure gold and didn't really bother too hard.
But he admitted he may have gone too far in a few places
If the intent was to jerk the audience around, yeah.
It was bold
Which is weird, because it's not like Howard the Duck, Labyrinth, or Willow were exactly huge hits (though I personally like all three).
He didn't direct any of those though, so they weren't really "his".
Most of the shit he did that was any good
>Indiana Jones was directed by spielberg
>A new hope he had pushback from the actors, the studio, his wife and the producer
>He didn't direct empire or RotJ and he didn't write the screen play for empire or RotJ
>wrote and directed all 3 of the PT himself
>Your father and I served in the Clone Wars, Luke. It was the most uninteresting conflict ever to occur. You probably don't want to hear about it.
hate these fricking groomers
his life is his own not yours
they didn't learn this even after anakin
in exile we are, but ... deep down don't believe our fault it is
fricking reprehensible bastards
>>"that boy is our last hope"
>>"no.....there is another....."
and that last hope... was that Vader loved his son.
My feels anon!
My feels!
>My feels anon!
>My feels!
I know, its so fricking powerful
You might be stretching here, but you're not totally wrong...from a certain point of view.
He was talking about Ahsoka. Obiwan didn't know Ahsoka survived order 66 but Yoda did.
>He was talking about Ahsoka. Obiwan didn't know Ahsoka survived order 66 but Yoda did.
Bro, he's literally joined with the cosmic force. He lives outside of time-space and is effectively omnipotent. He knows Ahsoka is alive and well.
If you watch the TLJ documentaries you can see the faces of some of those remaining lifer fanboys as they realize what's happening.
waaaaah stop whining
I've had enough of b***hing Star Wars fans
they've been doing it since 1999
Why are you even here ITT then?
Not for crying and whining about muh poor franchise being mistreated
he was refferring to Rey
The droid models aren't one-of-a-kind. Obi-wan probably thought they were just generic types.
he saw how she ran around like a spastic 4 yo and knew there was zero chance her dumbass could be a jedi
>that slide
>now way she’d cut it
he forgot ok?
>and another
>and another
>and another
>and another
>and ano-
>ctrl + f
>Nell-
Nellith Skywalker you fricks.
Lol what the frick is this?
Sounds better than the sequels.
came here for the minch
God, imagine Christian Bale in Star Wars, the sheer amount of kino would blot out the sun
big question is; british Bale or american Bale?
Both, as different clones fighting eachother
Making me wish the clone wars were the jedi fighting clones of themselves again
that is still the gayest thing they are clones of jango and not jedi clones
okay these castings are pure kino
Shut the frick up
Shit like this though
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Based on Disney-Wars, and the EU before that, there were about 50 others.
50 other force sensitive.
But only one who had a chance to defeat Vader would have been his kids or his former apprentice ashoka. All the others would get rest without a way to appeal to Vader's humanity
He doesn't think Leia is the chosen one. By this point he has put all his hope in Luke. Droids are literally everywhere in in their galaxy. Why would he recognize two specific droids who are identical to every other mass produced unit?
Only a demented moron wouldn't remember thier ID numbers
He lived alone on a desert planet suffering from PTSD after his failure destroyed everything and everyone he fought to protect so maybe he is demented.
how much does he even personally interact with R2 or 3PO? R2 is over with vader the whole PT
The opening scene of Sith makes is quite clear Obi + Anakin + R2 go on many adventures turns together. They openly joke about R2 having "loose wires" whenever the Droid fricks something up
It was why he wound up directing all of the PT himself, instead of passing it off to other directors like he intended after TPM.
Did Spielberg just refuse or something? I could have sworn I heard something about Spielberg at least being offered to direct at some point.
Lucas expected TPM would be a hit like ANH was, and he could just hand it off like the OT. But it got a ton of criticism, so he did the next one, and that one got it too, so he wound up doing all 3 trying to prove something.
>recognize the droids
could you recognize the same Toyota Prius 20 years later?
I would recognize the license plate.
There's only one astromech in the galaxy with ID R2D2
You would be able to tell me the license plate number of your friend's car from 20 years ago? They weren't even Obi-Wan's droids.
When you constantly call my car by its license plate number yes.
How fricking moronic are you that you can't understand the metaphor? Frick
This.
And there's a (totally pointless) scene in TPM where Panaka reads R2's name off his hull somewhere, like it's written on his body. Dumb recon, but it's there.
It probably was written on there when he was brand new.
Obi Wan never says he doesn't remember them. He just says he never owned any droids, which he didn't.
>How the frick did obi-won not recognize the droids
Because they're fricking appliances. Unless your name is Skywalker, nobody in-universe gives a shit about a droid. Especially one he hadn't seen in two decades.
what the hells a star war
A war between stars
Duh