>aww it's okay we can get along with misinformers! but their ideas are still dangerous and they're only right sometimes
their hearts are in the right place.
You and this show don’t deserve anything better. People already tried to explain to you why it’s bad. You just told them to frick off while fellating the smuggest, most self-satisfied hacks in the industry.
And while those talentless hacks are alienating their audiences, talented indie creators are winning more than ever.
So do the smart thing, and stop giving this show attention. Don’t make threads, don’t watch it. Don’t even think about it.
It’s not worth it.
Whether or not it's bad is a subjective opinion
I can't think of anything more smug than saying "I literally just explained to them why they should stop like it and they're not listening!"
I don't think it is particularly good or bad, but the writers clearly are fans. I have only seen season 3 and 3, but they don't just make fun of specific references, they parody a lot of tropes, cues, and story beats in subtle ways too
If you don't like it, that's fine. You can say they're shitty writers. But their knowledge (at least in the new seasons) is that of a dedicated fan with admiration for the series.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>But their knowledge (at least in the new seasons) is that of a dedicated fan with admiration for the series.
It’s Memory Alpha, dude. They’ve literally admitted in interviews that they’re mining it for references and plots. It’s a simulacrum of Star Trek that looks authentic enough but doesn’t understand what the franchise is all about. This show is deeply dishonest at nearly every level.
I’m done trying to reason with you, I’ve already tried. You clearly have no self-respect, let alone respect for Star Trek. But this show will piss you off eventually, because it’s written in that mindset, and then you’ll admit I was right all along.
I won’t help keep this thread on Page 1, if doesn’t deserve it in the slightest. Complaining about it just gives it more visibility that it otherwise wouldn’t get, because no one but the select few superfans -- the ones who will defend every bit of spiteful writing -- care about it anymore. Peace.
8 months ago
Anonymous
See you in the next thread, biatch
8 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but unironically touch grass, for the love of God. You're gatekeeping for a 60 year old sci-fi nerd show at 1 AM on a Friday on a digitized Mongolian horse breeding exchange. Take some stock of your life, I'm honestly begging you here
8 months ago
Anonymous
My knowledge is that I watched the show.
Yours is that you saw an interview and refuse to.
Many of their references are clearly that of someone who has actually watched it. For example, they'll parody the pacing sometimes by having plots play out a certain way. They'll do satire on how the plots often resolve themselves. They'll poke fun at the themes of certain episodes. Theyll parody how a guest character speaks or carries themselves. These are things you watch the show to find out.
It would be quicker to simply watch TNG than to study the episodes in this way.
I doubt they've watched Voyager or ENT (those references seem from memory alpha), but they have definitely seen TNG and DS9 and are big fans.
I can smell the identity politics reeking off you from a mile away.
I get it. It's new and you hate New because you love old, so you have to make them sound EVIL and HATEFUL. They're kind of shitty writers, but they don't hate Trek
Grow up and stop taking tv so seriously that you'll lie about people and make it personal
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing about this is impressive, and half of it is you imagining writers’ intent where there was none. The show has a flanderized perception of legacy characters, the kind you’d get from asking random people about them. For example, it makes multiple references to Kirk being a playboy who bangs Orion slavegirls whereas anyone who actually watched TOS knows this is just an example of the “Kirk drift.”
http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/
The show doesn’t understand the source material it’s trying to parody, which is why it doesn’t work. It’s the frat boy’s idea of what Star Trek is like, and they’re parodying that, because they either don’t know Star Trek, or have watched it, but didn’t pay attention. So they think Kirk was literally Casanova.
LOL. I'm getting plenty of enjoyment from watching you lose your shit every thread. Especially the ones where you got your ass banned for being a complete frickhead.
>the whole thread is shitting on the show (rightfully) >”I’m the one who’s right and everyone I disagree with is the same person!”
Sureee, man. You’ve driven everyone away by ruthlessly attacking anyone who dares to criticize your favorite thing in the world. The only threads on this show that do take off, are the ones shitting on it. Otherwise, it’s just you hopelessly slavebumping for hours before you give up and just let it die. You also take pleasure in watching other people get mad about something because they’re passionate about it, but that’s a bit of your character you ought to examine yourself.
But this is your own kingdom of shit. You wanted to have a place where only the “correct” opinions are allowed, so you have it. You reap what you sow.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I never said it was impressive, I said they have basic knowledge of the show and clearly watched TNG
You think they went and interviewed people about the personalities and mannerisms of guest characters rather than just watch a 40 minute television episode?
We all know Kirk didn't act exactly like that. It is called a joke. Every character that appears is an exaggerated version of themselves because the show is a parody
You are real sticking by your entirely baseless claim that they refuse to watch Star Trek
I think you do this because you aren't smart enough to process subjectivity and need your opinion to be fact
I thought we weren't worth your time?
The only person reading about a show on memory alpha is you reading about Lower Decks lmao
I barely like Lower Decks so I mostly avoid these threads. Is this dullard always commenting?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>. Is this dullard always commenting?
No. But it's very obvious which ones he's in and which ones he isn't. He also ban evades, and is constantly completely making shit up to try to fill the thread with negative garbage..
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I know folks like to hold Trek up on a pedestal as Shakespeare-tier
I think that's an interesting way to put it, because no-one actually does this except Star Trek itself, which was obviously written by a lot of people who held Shakespeare in high regard, and notably had a Shakespearean stage actor as its most recognizable Captain. But never, ever, have I heard any actual fan make this direct comparison. So is this projection from actually having watched the show, or is this a random namedropping of a thing you know is respected but know little about?
>it's a silly space show with lasers and goofy costumes
Yeah, this is peak midwittery. You're not wrong in this regard, but you are wrong in the sense that you think this is relevant in any way. Things can be serious and silly at the same time. Looking at the set dressing to declare something silly or serious, rather than the content, just means you're not fully engaging with what you're watching.
>it's actually earned the right to turn around and make fun of itself like LD does.
Star Trek already made fun of itself. But LD isn't Star Trek just because a studio owns the name and loaned it to the writers. At least, not in the sense of the building blocks that made the OG Trek series. None of the same people work on it, none of the same company culture applies. And I think you know that, because just now you were shitting on OG Trek. Ultimately NuTrek is made to appeal to people who never liked OG Trek, but for some reason you all get pissy when people point that out.
Don’t bother, man. This is one of those fandoms that are allergic to any criticism, and will go through extreme mental gymnastics to shield their fragile minds from it. In their mind, everyone loves the show. It’s a trait they have in common with the writers, who would rather surround themselves with Twitter sycophants in their little internet bubble rather than to take criticism head-on. Old Trek writers were humble enough to acknowledge and apologize for a misfire, but modern Hollywood writers simply cannot handle criticism.
Everyone who hates the show (or some aspect of it) is either:
A) a chud
B) the same person
C) all of the above
>You make it sound like this is discovery or picard.
Because it is.
>samegayging
What happened to quitting these threads like you keep saying?
8 months ago
Anonymous
LOL. I'm getting plenty of enjoyment from watching you lose your shit every thread. Especially the ones where you got your ass banned for being a complete frickhead.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Now that I gave examples of things that aren't from memory alpha he won't reply.
I don't care if someone hates the show, I can't even finish an episode sometimes.
But I hate when a dramatic dweeb starts getting personal and bringing in the identity politics "they hate me" drivel. This isn't NuHe-Man or something
nuTrek is garbage but they at least let the old content have its dignity. Mouse Wars just threw the baby out with the bathwater right away and barely manages to cling to NPCs with memberberries, sunk cost, and wokeness.
At least with SW Bad Batch is still going. I hope season 3 can hit as hard as the ending for season 2. I am not holding my breath, but I can hope that a story about some clones can slip under the shit radar.
First part of season 2 was b tier plot threads you would stuff into a 24 episode season. The second half, when there was an actual plot picked back up.
Just let it die. It doesn’t deserve your attention, or engagement.
The writers hate you, and no matter how much they try to convince you otherwise with memberberries and half-hearted attempts at optimism, they also hate Star Trek and everything that it stands for. It’s smugly written -- the interviews make it painfully obvious that they think themselves above Trekkies and the franchise -- and it won’t change as long as you keep consuming, even as a hatewatch. It’s time to stop.
But it was, but you’ve deluded yourself into thinking that it was something else, and you still are doing that. You’ve accepted all the bits of spiteful writing, dismissing it as a skill issue on the writers’ end. But if you look at the interviews, they’re proud of all the spiteful writing and attempts to outsmart their audience, because they think they’re better than you. They think they’re better than Star Trek.
Just the show for me then
I enjoy this in spite of Star Trek
Honestly, frick trekkies
The most pompous and entitled fandom ever
A mean-spirited show for a mean-spirited person -- like God intended.
Honestly, I prefer to just ignore threads about this show here, but this just had to be said. For the good of the franchise, this smugly-written farce has to end.
Anon, it's Lost in Space with philosophy lessons thrown in. I know folks like to hold Trek up on a pedestal as Shakespeare-tier but at the end of the day it's a silly space show with lasers and goofy costumes. One that's been on long enough that it's actually earned the right to turn around and make fun of itself like LD does.
>I know folks like to hold Trek up on a pedestal as Shakespeare-tier
I think that's an interesting way to put it, because no-one actually does this except Star Trek itself, which was obviously written by a lot of people who held Shakespeare in high regard, and notably had a Shakespearean stage actor as its most recognizable Captain. But never, ever, have I heard any actual fan make this direct comparison. So is this projection from actually having watched the show, or is this a random namedropping of a thing you know is respected but know little about?
>it's a silly space show with lasers and goofy costumes
Yeah, this is peak midwittery. You're not wrong in this regard, but you are wrong in the sense that you think this is relevant in any way. Things can be serious and silly at the same time. Looking at the set dressing to declare something silly or serious, rather than the content, just means you're not fully engaging with what you're watching.
>it's actually earned the right to turn around and make fun of itself like LD does.
Star Trek already made fun of itself. But LD isn't Star Trek just because a studio owns the name and loaned it to the writers. At least, not in the sense of the building blocks that made the OG Trek series. None of the same people work on it, none of the same company culture applies. And I think you know that, because just now you were shitting on OG Trek. Ultimately NuTrek is made to appeal to people who never liked OG Trek, but for some reason you all get pissy when people point that out.
Don’t bother, man. This is one of those fandoms that are allergic to any criticism, and will go through extreme mental gymnastics to shield their fragile minds from it. In their mind, everyone loves the show. It’s a trait they have in common with the writers, who would rather surround themselves with Twitter sycophants in their little internet bubble rather than to take criticism head-on. Old Trek writers were humble enough to acknowledge and apologize for a misfire, but modern Hollywood writers simply cannot handle criticism.
Everyone who hates the show (or some aspect of it) is either:
A) a chud
B) the same person
C) all of the above
8 months ago
Anonymous
Don't be so salty that the writers are ignoring your brilliance on twitter. You make it sound like this is discovery or picard.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You make it sound like this is discovery or picard.
Because it is.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I never said the guy was a chud, I never even said the show was good. I literally just said he is lying about the writers because he wants to turn his opinion into fact
You culture war snowflakes are the worst. Nothing can just be bad. It has to be le evil
Just say it's a shitty Rick and Morty clone. That's fair. But the writers are familiar with most of Trek clearly
I agree, the moss should have eaten both of Tendi's boots and her socks
Should the moss also tickle her bare feet and make her laugh until tears come out?
Your own fault for watching Lower Decks and expecting something that wasn't fricking stupid.
You're just mad because Rutherford had a baby and didn't tell you.
>aww it's okay we can get along with misinformers! but their ideas are still dangerous and they're only right sometimes
their hearts are in the right place.
>Trek & Morty is stupid
Who could've seen that coming?
>I love complaining about shows I don't watch!
So true, wubbalubba upvoted!
People who only speak in sarcasm have no personalities
Clinging on to a 2013 meme. Cringe and sadpillee
You and this show don’t deserve anything better. People already tried to explain to you why it’s bad. You just told them to frick off while fellating the smuggest, most self-satisfied hacks in the industry.
And while those talentless hacks are alienating their audiences, talented indie creators are winning more than ever.
So do the smart thing, and stop giving this show attention. Don’t make threads, don’t watch it. Don’t even think about it.
It’s not worth it.
Whether or not it's bad is a subjective opinion
I can't think of anything more smug than saying "I literally just explained to them why they should stop like it and they're not listening!"
I don't think it is particularly good or bad, but the writers clearly are fans. I have only seen season 3 and 3, but they don't just make fun of specific references, they parody a lot of tropes, cues, and story beats in subtle ways too
If you don't like it, that's fine. You can say they're shitty writers. But their knowledge (at least in the new seasons) is that of a dedicated fan with admiration for the series.
>But their knowledge (at least in the new seasons) is that of a dedicated fan with admiration for the series.
It’s Memory Alpha, dude. They’ve literally admitted in interviews that they’re mining it for references and plots. It’s a simulacrum of Star Trek that looks authentic enough but doesn’t understand what the franchise is all about. This show is deeply dishonest at nearly every level.
I’m done trying to reason with you, I’ve already tried. You clearly have no self-respect, let alone respect for Star Trek. But this show will piss you off eventually, because it’s written in that mindset, and then you’ll admit I was right all along.
I won’t help keep this thread on Page 1, if doesn’t deserve it in the slightest. Complaining about it just gives it more visibility that it otherwise wouldn’t get, because no one but the select few superfans -- the ones who will defend every bit of spiteful writing -- care about it anymore. Peace.
See you in the next thread, biatch
NTA but unironically touch grass, for the love of God. You're gatekeeping for a 60 year old sci-fi nerd show at 1 AM on a Friday on a digitized Mongolian horse breeding exchange. Take some stock of your life, I'm honestly begging you here
My knowledge is that I watched the show.
Yours is that you saw an interview and refuse to.
Many of their references are clearly that of someone who has actually watched it. For example, they'll parody the pacing sometimes by having plots play out a certain way. They'll do satire on how the plots often resolve themselves. They'll poke fun at the themes of certain episodes. Theyll parody how a guest character speaks or carries themselves. These are things you watch the show to find out.
It would be quicker to simply watch TNG than to study the episodes in this way.
I doubt they've watched Voyager or ENT (those references seem from memory alpha), but they have definitely seen TNG and DS9 and are big fans.
I can smell the identity politics reeking off you from a mile away.
I get it. It's new and you hate New because you love old, so you have to make them sound EVIL and HATEFUL. They're kind of shitty writers, but they don't hate Trek
Grow up and stop taking tv so seriously that you'll lie about people and make it personal
Nothing about this is impressive, and half of it is you imagining writers’ intent where there was none. The show has a flanderized perception of legacy characters, the kind you’d get from asking random people about them. For example, it makes multiple references to Kirk being a playboy who bangs Orion slavegirls whereas anyone who actually watched TOS knows this is just an example of the “Kirk drift.”
http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/
The show doesn’t understand the source material it’s trying to parody, which is why it doesn’t work. It’s the frat boy’s idea of what Star Trek is like, and they’re parodying that, because they either don’t know Star Trek, or have watched it, but didn’t pay attention. So they think Kirk was literally Casanova.
>the whole thread is shitting on the show (rightfully)
>”I’m the one who’s right and everyone I disagree with is the same person!”
Sureee, man. You’ve driven everyone away by ruthlessly attacking anyone who dares to criticize your favorite thing in the world. The only threads on this show that do take off, are the ones shitting on it. Otherwise, it’s just you hopelessly slavebumping for hours before you give up and just let it die. You also take pleasure in watching other people get mad about something because they’re passionate about it, but that’s a bit of your character you ought to examine yourself.
But this is your own kingdom of shit. You wanted to have a place where only the “correct” opinions are allowed, so you have it. You reap what you sow.
I never said it was impressive, I said they have basic knowledge of the show and clearly watched TNG
You think they went and interviewed people about the personalities and mannerisms of guest characters rather than just watch a 40 minute television episode?
We all know Kirk didn't act exactly like that. It is called a joke. Every character that appears is an exaggerated version of themselves because the show is a parody
You are real sticking by your entirely baseless claim that they refuse to watch Star Trek
I think you do this because you aren't smart enough to process subjectivity and need your opinion to be fact
I thought we weren't worth your time?
The only person reading about a show on memory alpha is you reading about Lower Decks lmao
I barely like Lower Decks so I mostly avoid these threads. Is this dullard always commenting?
>. Is this dullard always commenting?
No. But it's very obvious which ones he's in and which ones he isn't. He also ban evades, and is constantly completely making shit up to try to fill the thread with negative garbage..
>samegayging
What happened to quitting these threads like you keep saying?
LOL. I'm getting plenty of enjoyment from watching you lose your shit every thread. Especially the ones where you got your ass banned for being a complete frickhead.
Now that I gave examples of things that aren't from memory alpha he won't reply.
I don't care if someone hates the show, I can't even finish an episode sometimes.
But I hate when a dramatic dweeb starts getting personal and bringing in the identity politics "they hate me" drivel. This isn't NuHe-Man or something
No shit. It's modern Star Trek.
hey prodigy is good
>trek
>stupid
pleonasm
Still managed to be better than prodigy. I rate the episode 9/10
who was in the right here
Smells like the withered joyless posers of /trek/ in here
and somehow this has more joy than the star wars threads
nuTrek is garbage but they at least let the old content have its dignity. Mouse Wars just threw the baby out with the bathwater right away and barely manages to cling to NPCs with memberberries, sunk cost, and wokeness.
At least with SW Bad Batch is still going. I hope season 3 can hit as hard as the ending for season 2. I am not holding my breath, but I can hope that a story about some clones can slip under the shit radar.
>he thinks that slop is good
lmao, mousecuck
First part of season 2 was b tier plot threads you would stuff into a 24 episode season. The second half, when there was an actual plot picked back up.
This season is so bad, the only saving grace was T'lyn but even then the series is going downhill.
The shittiest is probably the badgy episode though
Season 3 was worse
It's cute that you guys don't really care about Trek, you just want to belong.
Is this the schizo? Because I care and I loved this show until this season.
Just let it die. It doesn’t deserve your attention, or engagement.
The writers hate you, and no matter how much they try to convince you otherwise with memberberries and half-hearted attempts at optimism, they also hate Star Trek and everything that it stands for. It’s smugly written -- the interviews make it painfully obvious that they think themselves above Trekkies and the franchise -- and it won’t change as long as you keep consuming, even as a hatewatch. It’s time to stop.
>psycho babble
That's not the show I watched
But it was, but you’ve deluded yourself into thinking that it was something else, and you still are doing that. You’ve accepted all the bits of spiteful writing, dismissing it as a skill issue on the writers’ end. But if you look at the interviews, they’re proud of all the spiteful writing and attempts to outsmart their audience, because they think they’re better than you. They think they’re better than Star Trek.
A mean-spirited show for a mean-spirited person -- like God intended.
Honestly, I prefer to just ignore threads about this show here, but this just had to be said. For the good of the franchise, this smugly-written farce has to end.
Anon, it's Lost in Space with philosophy lessons thrown in. I know folks like to hold Trek up on a pedestal as Shakespeare-tier but at the end of the day it's a silly space show with lasers and goofy costumes. One that's been on long enough that it's actually earned the right to turn around and make fun of itself like LD does.
>I know folks like to hold Trek up on a pedestal as Shakespeare-tier
I think that's an interesting way to put it, because no-one actually does this except Star Trek itself, which was obviously written by a lot of people who held Shakespeare in high regard, and notably had a Shakespearean stage actor as its most recognizable Captain. But never, ever, have I heard any actual fan make this direct comparison. So is this projection from actually having watched the show, or is this a random namedropping of a thing you know is respected but know little about?
>it's a silly space show with lasers and goofy costumes
Yeah, this is peak midwittery. You're not wrong in this regard, but you are wrong in the sense that you think this is relevant in any way. Things can be serious and silly at the same time. Looking at the set dressing to declare something silly or serious, rather than the content, just means you're not fully engaging with what you're watching.
>it's actually earned the right to turn around and make fun of itself like LD does.
Star Trek already made fun of itself. But LD isn't Star Trek just because a studio owns the name and loaned it to the writers. At least, not in the sense of the building blocks that made the OG Trek series. None of the same people work on it, none of the same company culture applies. And I think you know that, because just now you were shitting on OG Trek. Ultimately NuTrek is made to appeal to people who never liked OG Trek, but for some reason you all get pissy when people point that out.
Don’t bother, man. This is one of those fandoms that are allergic to any criticism, and will go through extreme mental gymnastics to shield their fragile minds from it. In their mind, everyone loves the show. It’s a trait they have in common with the writers, who would rather surround themselves with Twitter sycophants in their little internet bubble rather than to take criticism head-on. Old Trek writers were humble enough to acknowledge and apologize for a misfire, but modern Hollywood writers simply cannot handle criticism.
Everyone who hates the show (or some aspect of it) is either:
A) a chud
B) the same person
C) all of the above
Don't be so salty that the writers are ignoring your brilliance on twitter. You make it sound like this is discovery or picard.
>You make it sound like this is discovery or picard.
Because it is.
I never said the guy was a chud, I never even said the show was good. I literally just said he is lying about the writers because he wants to turn his opinion into fact
You culture war snowflakes are the worst. Nothing can just be bad. It has to be le evil
Just say it's a shitty Rick and Morty clone. That's fair. But the writers are familiar with most of Trek clearly
........you're Shatner, aren't you anon?
Shatner...would have a greater sense....of the dramatic.
Anon... you have mistaken... me... for someone... else.
>spiteful writing
When did this happen
>writers hate Star Trek fans
When did this happen
>you've deluded yourself
When did I do that
It's all in his schizo head
Just the show for me then
I enjoy this in spite of Star Trek
Honestly, frick trekkies
The most pompous and entitled fandom ever
you are watching the lower decks, you have given up all rights to b***h about this kind of shit.