The absolute state of Hollywood
>Mescal & Elordi have never been in a box office hit.
>Powell hasn’t lead a successful film
>Chalamet, Pugh, Ortega, Zendaya struggle struggle outside of IP
>Furiosa is about to bomb
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None of them are in anything I aim to watch. I hope they die.
The only movie star left is Tom Cruise
>all the males are white
wtf Hollywood
The fire rises.
And the females as well. Seriously Hollywood wtf
Who wore it better?
>La goblina de las americanas!
I guess Zendyania since she started off her career looking brown, and now she is getting bleached to a level that would have made Michael Jackson piss and shit his pants. Ortega always looked more white than the average beaner and amerimutt, so she was always "there". Also, that pic you posted is AI
i want to stamp on her head with a big boot
>Timmy
>white
>white
> Paul mescal
That guy hasn't been in anything
This. Never seen anything with him in it. I like Powell, Anya, and even Chalamet and Sweeney in some roles, but everyone else is garbo
Gladiator 2 cost 310M and you will watch HIM
Probably, it has good early buzz and I like Denzel
ATJ is far from new and they should have realized by now that still trying to make Zendaya happen is cringe at this point.
BTW Powell did star in a very successful movie (Anyone But You) and co-starred in TGM
>they should have realized by now that still trying to make Zendaya happen is cringe at this point.
Zendaya with her “star vehicle” movie which was marketed around her lost to the re-release of the 25-year-old movie.
nobody cares about that negress
Damn dude they all fricking suck. What about Adam Driver? He's good and also seems popular. I also like Andrew Garfield.
Adam Driver fricking sucks. Gets by on morons being impressed that a nerdy guy was in the military! Ugly as sin. Breakthrough role was being Lena Dunham’s boyfriend on Girls. Him getting angry in Star Wars is hilarious.
From Clint Eastwood to Adam Driver… frick me…
>watches star wars
Are you a fricking manchild? I could give a shit about star wars, and i know nothing about his personal life, nore did I know he's in the military. In Silence he was great and convincing. In Patterson he gave a good understated performance. He had a small role in Inside Llewyn Davis, but out of all the colorful side characters his shined the most. This includes the character that John Goodman played. He also did a good job with another understated performance in Logan Lucky.
>Are you a fricking manchild?
>posts on Cinemaphile
>watches movies
go build a table like a man
P.S. Are you literally a fricking homosexual? Why would you care if he was ugly?
Nerdy + military = best of both worlds. Watch his sex scene with Gaga, the Gadongay should promote Adam instead.
it's about new A-listers. Adam Driver has been that for years
Making me feel old at 23. I guess there is literally no new up and comer that I actually like in Hollywood. Its Joever.
I only like Glen Powell and Ortega. Maybe Sidney but only for the boobs. The rest can go to hell
Jenna bros we're back!
The only movie star is Sydney Sweeney.
Agreed. She's the one who really does naturally have that movie star magnetism
How many circumcisied israeli penises has zendaya gagged on to get pushed this hard?
Just call her Coleman.
She’s more popular social media and modelling than being actress. She’s the Kylie Jenner of Hollywood.
Most of the people on this list are. Social media celebs who just happened to have acting credits. Fricking hell Elizabeth Olsen is more prominent than them.
Zendaya's unremarkable looks and mixed racial features were incorrectly seen by dumb Hollywood execs as selling points but the actual public wants major beauties and Zendaya not only lacks it but seems also devoid of charisma, presence or sensuality
There's a recent interview webm and she looks great. I was rather shocked by it.
I've only heard of like 2 of them.
A LOT.
Hollywood is dead. Just watch foreign shit like I do. The new Godzilla and the new Aki Kurasmaki were pretty good.
Hollywood is foreign to me.
i have asiatic fatigue. i was just at uni ive seen enough slants for a while
None of these "a-listers" can open a movie on their own. The only two that had a hit movie not based on some pre-existing material was Sweeney and Powell with that romcom they did together.
Literally none on this list who are an actual draw. Capeshit killed the movie star.
Lmao. Just lmao. Meanwhile from my childhood
1. Tom hanks
2. Tom cruise
3. Brad Pitt
4. George Clooney
5. Johnny Depp
6. Jack
7. John Cusack
8. Young DiCaprio
9. I drank the vodka
10. Sandra bullock/Nicole Kidman
>6. Jack
Septiceye?
have any of you homosexuals even seen a movie before?
>John Cusack
kek, Mel Gibson, Robin Williams, De Niro, Pacino, Bruce Willis, Kurt Russell ....
>Jack
Just Jack, which jack, any Jack?
Lemmon was still alive
>6. Jack
>7. John Cusack
wat.
>9. I drank the vodka
wat.
Chalamet is the only legitimate star on there. Yeah he makes Cinemaphile seethe but it’s true
Nobody goes to see a "Timothee Chalamet movie"
They showed up to see Dune and Willy Wonka
Tell that to my little sister
Your little sister is not the average moviegoer
Get the frick outta here, no one can even pronounce his last name.
Legitimate = the only one industry wants to push no matter what. The others will be gone when they flop.
The only one there who leads at least two succesful movies is Timothee Chalamet
Zendaya is literally the worst thing that ever happened to Hollywood, and I'm sad, that's all.
Shes not a bad actress. She has like 10x the talent of Sweeney but none of the breasts.
zendaya was fricking horrible in Dune, and was pretty bland in everything else I've seen her in.
she's not a good actress, stop pretending she is just cause she's ugly and you're trying to find a silver lining
She’s a TERRIBLE actress, you moron. Get your shit together…
>Shes not a bad actress
Zendaya plays the same character, everytime
All he had to write for the sake of brevity was, "if you're 6 degrees of Sydney Sweeney then you are the top echelon in Hollywood." Done.
>Paul Mescal
i hate how much reddit likes him
All the stars are here!
Sydney Sweeney and Timothe Chalamet true. The rest are not, just internet hype
What hit films has Chalamet starred in that were not based on previously existing properties?
imagine being such a zoomer that you don't know about call me by your name
That movie is for gay israeli pedos, did you like it? Ew
don't move the goalpost. It was a hit and started chalamet career. He literally has all the roles because of that film, just like florence pugh has roles because of lady macbeth or butler because of elvis, or jenna because of wednesday, or mescal after aftersun. If you think about it, it usually takes one memorable role to make a star
Ah yes that massive box office hit... Call Me by Your Name.
yes. Those microbudget arthouse movies usually make couple of millions but call me by your name made 43m which was massive for a movie like that. You were twelve when it released so you may not know this but the word of mouth was super strong and later, on streaming, it became one of those movies that everyone saw
I was around when Brokeback Mountain made $178 million worldwide on a $14 million budget. If you have to lower the bar that much about what constitutes an "A-lister," then there are no A-listers.
>when Brokeback Mountain
so you're a moron. They are not comparable
>low-budget gay movie versus low-budget gay movie
i already know you're a moron. I don't need more evidence
>no u
hollywood movie with big marketing (brokeback mountain was everywhere) from a popular director is not comparable to european indie art flick, mate
>popular director
Hulk was considered a financial disappointment and had a huge box office drop-off. Brokeback did not have social media, online outlets (not like now) and gay twitter either to hype it up.
The reality is movies are dead as a medium and there are no "stars" anymore unless you lower the bar below the floor. It is what it is.
Don't overthink it bro. That soi-lord twink will never be a movie star.
What hit films has any of these people in that list lead besides Chalamet?
Wonka was an origin story of a musical movie from the 70's, which was not a hit but became a classic
Dune was a hit adaptation from a notoriously "unfilmable" book.
Also
Call me by your name was critical and commerial success. It's not much but Chalamet is the only "movie" star from that list
you completely don't understand what this is about. It's not some arbitrary ranking taken out of the ass, mate. It's an accurate description of those people and their status in hollywood. They simply are A-Listers. Or have you been living under a rock and didn't notice they are getting all the coveted roles and are everywhere?
white boy summer
An A-List actor isn’t a measure of talent or success, or even necessarily fame; it’s the ability to earn revenue for a project (and that includes endorsement). They’re all pretty much locked in to the zoomer zeitgeist (youth is always the most sought after demographic) and their name on the poster or shilling a brand is gonna being in money and attention. Frick even the Stones were desperate enough to purchase Sweeney for a bit of youth validation, as she’s not an actress just a pair of breasts. They’re all debated on this board more than others. Hot topics.
>it’s the ability to earn revenue for a project
None of them have that ability. They've starred in successful shows but that's not because of them. Really the only Hollywood actor these days with any drawing power is Tom Cruise. Other than that Tarantino, Nolan and Cameron also draw but they are directors.
Cruise is old, marketing c-list unless you want to sell viagra and adult diapers. Even Clooney has more marketability. And he’s a movie and tv nostalgia act. None of his fresh IPs have been successful .. Mummy was a massive bomb … he’s been churning out the same MI shit for decades and even needed zoomer weight to get through Maverick reboot. Cruise has to be careful because he’s actually moving into the “sad” category, because he’s so earnest and trying so hard (and looking so hard) to remain “young” and “relevant” when it’s clear he not anymore. He seriously needs to transition to age appropriate roles. And not The Expendables.
Cruse is literally the only actor whose movies has made any sort of profit in the past 10 years on his name alone. Even the Mummy didn't bomb, it made back its budget. I do wish to see him in more serious roles instead of action roles, but you can't deny the results. He's literally the last Hollywood star
>And not The Expendables.
Shouldn't have to worry about that series anymore. The 4th one flopped so catastrophically bad I doubt the producers would have the (old saggy) balls to attempt it again.
Cruise, DiCaprio and Brad Pitt are literally the last movie stars
DiCaprio is a meme, not an actor. The Academy finally relented and gave him an Oscar for wresting with a bear. He tried to act ugly in Killer of Flower Moon and everyone realized he wasn’t that good of an actor (though he was, when he was younger). Brad is starting to lose his looks, is still screen charismatic, but honestly I don’t think he cares anymore. He seems bit broken. Maybe he can use that in craft and get a late career winner.
In any case, none of them are relevant anymore. No one watches them and goes “oh wow” like Butler in Dune (or Elvis), or even Pugh or Zendaya. Cruise, Dicaprio and Pitt may be “a-list,” but they’re Tom Hanks a-list: predicable, comfortable, boring, and not as marketable and sure-fire as they used to be.
What is with the absolutely unhinged DiCaprio hate on this board? He's been in a ton of great movies and literally no one else in Hollywood could've pulled off Calvin Candie.
>no one else in Hollywood could've pulled off Calvin Candie.
You really want to argue Goggins couldnt have pulled it off, and in fact would have been better?
Lots of actors could have. Decaprio wasn’t even the best actor in the movie.
Goggins is a great supporting character actor, but he's not a lead villain in a studio feature film. That movie especially needed a big performance from the heavy because Foxx was such a dead fish as Django. Now consider that DiCaprio can also nail roles like Frank Abagnale or The Wolf of Wall St., imagine Goggins trying to do those lmao.
Jonah and McConaughy mogged Leo in TWOWS. Shit, even Damon and Wahlberg were better in Departed (Leo’s Boston accent, kek). DiCaprio is a meme actor who only gets roles from Scorcese these days.
>Damon and Wahlberg were better in Departed
Two native Bostonians basically playing themselves. That doesn't mean they're better actors than Leo.
Also
>Jonah
Was the single worst thing about the movie. Has no business in a Scorsese movie and his absurdly giant white teeth were distracting as hell.
>Butler
If you consider DiCraprio a meme, then Butler is stale meme
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Leo and especially Pitt are box office poison. Leo's movies only make any money when he is paired with Tarantino.
It’s not about just opening movies anymore. It’s the whole star brand. Zendaya brought tens of millions in earned media for dune during the promotion and her fashion blitz. Cruise can’t produce or deliver that, even if he breaks an ankle or berates crew in set. We live in a Taylor Swift world, where followers and social and buzz matters; not the old “star’s name in bold above title” measurement.
>Zendaya brought tens of millions in earned media for dune during the promotion and her fashion blit
That didn't translate to box office.
> That didn't translate to box office.
$282m domestic + 430m international =
$712m box office gross
DUNE 2 is the #1 top grossing movie of the year so far (by some 50m)
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2024/
Now do challengers.
Tom Holland bros...
And Jeremy Allen White?
>Jenna Ortega
Were you banned?
Doesn't look like it. Should I have been?
They know what works, they just actively refuse to do it.* Frick 'em, they deserve themselves.
*with the sole exception of James Cameron. Cameron is the only one making meaningful art at the moment. Yeah, I said it. And I'm right.
Avatar sucks brontosaurus balls
James Cameron has holes in his brain and thinks he can improve his old movies with AI.
And he's right, just wait 2 years and AI will make CGI from 90s look like it's real
>From the absolute prime of 80s, 90s, and early 2000s actors and actresses to all of these nepo-baby, no talent hacks.
And this is what we're stuck with for the next 20-30 years.
No talent hacks who act like insta and tiktok influencers that occasionally do movies.
>new A-list movie stars
so how much per movie are were talking about for an A-list movie star these days? $25? 30? i have no idea anymore, but i can't imagine giving any of these people that kind of money. that would mean they aren't A-list at all.
I looked up who got paid the most to appear in movies last year and it seems entirely fair except for Adam Sandler's "I'm going to fricking rob Netflix every year and get away with it" policy
>Denzel Washington — $24 Million
>Ben Affleck — $38 Million
>Jason Statham — $41 Million
>Leonardo DiCaprio — $41 Million
>Jennifer Aniston — $42 Million
>Matt Damon — $43 Million
>Ryan Gosling — $43 Million
>Tom Cruise — $45 Million
>Margot Robbie — $59 Million
>Adam Sandler — $73 Million
Robbie — $59 Million
How is that fair? She has starred in nothing but bombs (with the exception of Barbie where she was overshadowed completely by Gosling). Honestly that's a disgusting list.
her salary for barbie was a combination of some of the money upfront + % of the movie gross
>I'm going to fricking rob Netflix every year and get away with it
I mean if you're gonna israelite somebody...
Jason Statham somehow feels like a B-list nobody even when he cashes A-list paychecks
True. He's always been a good action star with solid comedic chops, but I think he's just too British to reach anything approaching Bruce Willis status for example in America.
Margot Robbie, literally shoved down people's throats in everything she's been in, the absolute bottom of the barrel miscast for Harley Quinn, was finally shoved into an IP too big to fail, finally has it on her resume that she is in fact in demand over some bullshit technicality, I can't wait for this b***h's career to die
It's like the high schoool freshman class all the upperclassmen shit on lol
Holy shit, no wonder Hollywood is dying. What a dimeless list.
>Sydney made it
Genuinely happy for her
Why are most of them unfrickable goblins? I see better looking young men and women working in grocery stores and fast food places. They could probably act better too.
boomer rageb8 thread
that's how your grandpa felt when Marlon Brando and James Dean got replaced by Robert DeNiro and Harrison Ford
You wish it was cyclical
Film as a medium has utterly collapsed and will go the way of radio shows, pulp novels and vaudeville plays
I guess the difference is that a lot of people on the list are there because of social media popularity and not really because they have outstanding acting abilities or have done anything worth mentioning in terms of movie appearances.
Zendaya is easily explained because she also has a successful modelling career, but Glen Powell may have starred in Maverick, but he certainly had just a few lines and was more of a side character. He certainly didn't carry the movie. The comedy movie was extremely forgettable and he's only now going to star in some actual leading man projects, but none of which seem to be worth mentioning other than Twisters. Most of these people just seem to act pretty at events or on social media and don't do anything outstanding.
The real difference is that the acting profession has "matured", in that the last older batch of actors were the first who went on to become directors and producers instead of just stalling out at "actor" like previous generations. And just as importantly, acting became a "prestigious" profession that a rich person would no longer be ashamed to have their kids take up like it used to be (actors used to be a very "new money" group that were seen as low class by the real upper class). This meant that they created a nepotism and patronage network where only their own children are allowed to become the "next big sensation" rather than the more free for all previous eras. You can't be "discovered" by a producer anymore, you have to be the producers son.
Half the list are in nothing but bombs you idiot, how are they a-list if noone atches their movies.
Tom Hollandbros....
holland's career is basically over
>A-lister
& Elordi
Who?
>Zendaya
Didn't her movie with twinks fricking each other flopped?
yes and no. It flopped at the box office but it will easily make its money on streaming. That's why Luca Guadagnino already has like 3 movies announced following Challengers
>flopped at the box office but it will easily make its money on streaming
That's some Grace Randolph tier cope right there, that movie will never make a profit, the premise is also moronic idk why they had so much budget in some moronic "Indy" movie with such a stupid plot
>that movie will never make a profit
it probably already did
Don't A listers sell tickets to any movie they're in?
>austin butler
one meme role and he's suddenly everywhere. I understand all the others but he's sticking like a sore thumb. He also looks weird as frick
i know who two of those people are
Don't know anyone but Sydney's breast, and I never seeing anything of her only her naked webms.
Feels good.
dreadful
I don't even know who 2, 3 and 4 are
i searchbar that elordi gay and its only gay and women movies lol
Only one in that list that is actually good is Paul Mescal
Jenna Ortega? How? What else has she been in besides Wednesday?
i don't like any of these
>Dwayne Johnson isn't on the list
I don't even particularly care for the Rock but this is how you know this list is bullshit confirmed.
Rock has been A-list for years, this is about the new blood.
>Glen Powell
>Jacob Elordi
>Paul Mescal
>Jenna Ortega
literally who
Gadongay on suicide watch
what movies has jenna ortega even been in recently besides Beetle Juice?
she's on the list because of wednesday. She got so popular she will appear in movies for a long time based on that itself
only Sydney matters and everybody knows this.
muttcucks and wokeshits BTFO to kingdom come.
>people going "OMG it's Sydney posting herself doing such quirky things"
>outfit obviously picked by a stylist of an expensive brand because it isn't even the right size, bag brand clear for everyone to see
God, you people are pathetic
literally fricking who
i only know sweeney cause i jack it to her instagram
>If there is a succinct, one-word answer to the gnawing questions that keep studio execs up at night — “Who can open a movie?” “Who will audiences leave their homes to see?” — it would be “Zendaya,” the award-winning actress whose outfits alone generate multiday news cycles. The closest comp for her current status, note execs, is ’90s-era Julia Roberts, who was pulling down awards nominations for Steel Magnolias while releasing crowd-pleasers like Pretty Woman. Notably, Zendaya, 27, has achieved this status with few film credits. After she did time in the kids TV trenches, Spider-Man: Homecoming launched her at the box office, followed by surprise musical hit The Greatest Showman. Euphoria, a show built around her (and co-starring fellow New A-Listers Sweeney and Elordi), set her up for her current rise, though her ascendant-movie-star demand puts that show’s return in question. While three Spider-Man films kept her in theaters in regular intervals (the fourth remains stalled), Zendaya landed Dune (or, more accurately, Dune landed Zendaya). She has yet to announce any other studio films and doesn’t need paycheck projects: She has lucrative endorsement deals with Bulgari and Lancôme and earned more by starring in and producing Luca Guadagnino’s Challengers, a reported $10 million, than she would have with a Marvel movie.
nothing against zendaya the actor but i do question the veracity of this statement. although she does have 184 million instagram followers so maybe its just a blind spot for me
>These actors made highly successful movies but that is actually bad because they are IP movies!!
This is just cope. Everyone makes IP movies.
That is because old IPs are the only thing that actually draws audiences now.
If IP movie counts. Tom Holland lead 3 Spiderman movies and appeared in 2 avenger movies. Why is he not on that list?
PIGGU PEW !!!
Not a single A-lister there.
>Zendaya
Horrifying, monstrous harbinger of the apocalypse, also can’t act
>Powell
Not a fantastic actor, also pretty old for just now breaking out
>Elordi
I’ve only seen Saltburn, which I admit he was decent in. Chicks are obsessed with him even more than Chalatwink
>Ortega
She cute but I haven’t seen her in anything
>Pugh
Disgusting
>ATJ
Disgusting, eyes way too far apart. Plays the same smug autistic b***h in everything I’ve seen her in
>Sweeney
Literally a pair of breasts. Cannot act.
>Chalamet
Alright actor when he’s properly cast but he sucked in Wonka
Overall? Grim
>literally ALL of the females are UGLY
how do zoomers even cope with growing up in this stupid and gay world devoid of any culture?
Hollywood is desperate to push the "next-gen movie stars" meme to break the hold IP-driven franchises have on the movie theater, as evidenced by the frequent potshots the article takes at Marvel specifically.
I recognize none of those names. Good god when the frick was the last time I stepped into a movie theater?
Who
God, is Sydney be so fricking strong?
plebs think it's her breasts but it's actually her royal ass.
where is the ass?
perfect
Can the world stop pretending that Jacob Elordi is popular?
Where is /ourtroony/ at? He is everywhere as well. He should have been on this list
>Paul Mescal
Unironically who?
Sarah Gadon clears that entire list easily.
Beloved and Acclaimed Canadian actress Sarah Gadon surpasses the A-list. She is unique and beyond categorization.
all of these have only been good in supporting roles
How the frick is Sydney an A lister? I mean she's got S tier breasts but that doesn't make her a star.
>Poo Crave
that's just a bunch of literal whos and some persistent pushes
test
yea I've unbanned you mate, enjoy
Once you hit about 35, it becomes very difficult to take "new" famous people seriously, especially when they're younger than you.
That said, all those people suck.
>zendaya
I get it, mcu spiderman, dune, euphoria and that gay tennis players movie
>glen powel
I sort of get it, he was fine in top gun 2, and did that comedy with sidney sweeney
>jacob elordi
Don't quite get this one, probably just because he's tall, his roles in priscilla and saltburn weren't that known amongst the casual audiences
>paul mescal
This one I really don't get, I only know he's doing the gladiator sequel, but I don't know anything else he has been doing
>austin butler
Consolation prize for the moronic elvis gimmick, but was great in dune
>jenna ortega
I get it, wednesday, the latest scream movies and now beetlejuice 2
>florence pugh
I get it, was in the mcu, midsommar, oppenheimer, does cool voice acting, was in dune too
>anya
I see it, the northman, the menu, dune, furiosa
>sydney
All she really has going for is her body, she's not a good actress but she's probably the most popular of the list somehow
>timothee
Just for wonka and dune being successes is already enough to be part of the list
Sydney is the biggest one and most fertile, and that's fact.
>Zendaya
How? No one watches her slop.
literally and actually who?
I do not watch films anymore because of these racist, talentless industry plants
Honestly? Florence Pugh is the only thing close to a "movie star" on that list, I don't know why but they put her in fricking everything from Dunc to, Black Widow and Oppenheimer. Chalamet is forced but not to the extent of Pugh.
I only know who Glen Powell is because someone in this thread said he's the guy in "Anyone But You", I couldn't name another movie he's been in.
The other three I don't know what they look like or any movies they're in.
List is moronic.
knowing zoomies i'm pretty sure they have something to do with euphoria in some way
Austin was elvis and the villain from dune 2, at least he has some presence, agree with the other two tho
grim. i dont like seeing the same shit heads in every single movie.
Hollywood is dead and people have moved on to watching asian slop from Netflix like Squid Game
A-List means box office success and a franchise. Florence Pugh and timothee, Zendaya seem to fit that bill. I have no idea who he rest are.
yeah you post on Cinemaphile and have no idea who these people are sure man totally
none of them is a star or puts butts in seats
theyre all meme mutts
hollywood is dead. everyones just playing pretend
Zoomers don't have the capacity to watch something than 60 seconds.
None of them is a star some of them i have never seen in anything
They just get cast in so much shit that some of it is bound to make a bit of profit, not thanks to them
lol none of them are like past generations social media ruined movie stars
Zendaya has yet to actually carry a movie on her own. Her two big success' are "Spiderman's girlfriend" and "Dune's girlfriend". She not bad enough to drive people away, which is something, but she doesn't seem to be enough to bring people in.
I don't know who 4 of them are and wish I didn't know of 2 of the ones I do.
Bullshit. A-List in terms of social media. Elordi is still a fricking unknown worldwide.
grim
i remember that article a couple years ago with some producer or something saying hollywood was doing a bad job of creating new stars
Glen Powell would've been a movie star in literally any other decade, Hollywood is beyond cucked now.
Maybe. That piece in Vanity Fair made it seem like he doesnt want to be a movie star though. He looks up to McConaughey, not Pitt or Cruz
Chuds won't like it but Daniel Kaluuya is more proven than anyone on that list and younger than powell
i dont know why Cinemaphile has such a hate boner for zendaya. i think she's alright
>your new favorite shills to distract you from government officials and bankers
>YOU LOVE MOVIES!
>DON'T THINK ABOUT HOW AND WHY WE FUND THEM!