The Americanization of media where everyone is just sweatily making sarcastic jokes about the source material is, weirdly enough, not super appealing to the people who are watching this because they loved the original. There is just something so distinctly "huhhuhhuh USA USA" about writing something that isn't as smart as it thinks it is, but has to constantly assert that me and you, the audience, we're the clever ones, because we don't buy into all this silly crap. Macho pseudo-intellectual BS
Irony is so boring. Sarcasm is so boring. It is deeply insecure to its core. I don't buy it, give me a thousand hours of shows and movies and books and games that are full-heartedly genuine and silly and loves and believes in itself for it.
America is the only place that makes good Sonic content anymore
America made Sonic Mania (by PagodaWest Games in Portland). Japan makes Sonic Forces and Sonic Frontiers
>America is the only place that makes good Sonic content anymore
>anymore
Literally every good Sonic thing ever had heavy western involvement. Japan only Sonic is always dogshit.
Always enjoy Cinemaphiles blatant racism towards the japanese.
Am I being sarcastic? You be the judge.
Japanese are pretty racist themselves.
It’s not racism if we’re talking about the quality of the games between American and jap studios
>Saying they some content they made before is bad is "racist"
Classic Cinemaphilemblr
>Australian game under direction by Japanese studio
>American
As usual with Sega of America, the only good things are the things you mongrels try to steal
>Australian game under direction by Japanese studio
Because one worker was from Australia doesn't make it a Australian game the same way Dexter's Lab isn't a Soviet tv series, it's a game from PagodaWest Games with permission from SOJ
Yeah, it should be as earnest as Sonic 06. Now that's a quality japanese writing.
>Japanese people are able to be sincere
>Americans are surrounded in a zeitgeist of "cringe" cynicism, irony and unable to express themselves
Sounds about right.
Yeah, yeah, we all know you want to watch photorealistic human kiss cartoon hedgehogs.
If you can't actually provide a rebuttal outside of attempting to strawman me, then you're not worth having a conversation with.
A rebuttal to what? That you don't like sarcasm? That's literaly your opinion, no need to be pretentious about it.
Sarcasm and irony are pretentious. moron.
YOU'RE pretentious.
Pretentious refers to something trying to impress by affecting greater importance than it has. By this definition, sarcasm, irony and your marvel shit is pretentious. It's not artistically poignant or has anything to say.
>Only I know what is real good media and everyone else is wrong including but not limited to some of the most successful companies in recent history
Yeah you're pretentious.
Wait. So are you saying that success, money and people actually has anything to do with the quality of a work?
No that's not always the case. You however going here telling everyone that things they enjoy and things thst many many people enjoy are bad and they should feel bad about enjoying them because only you know what's good is pretentious as frick.
>"WAHHH YOU CAN'T JUST POINT OUT MY TASTE IS SHIT!"
Cry me a river.
No you totally can. And in the process you come off as a pretentious piece of shit. You're not even necessarily wrong. Your just super pretentious and try hard.
>"I will only judge an argument based on the way a person says it to me and not on the actual merits of the argument itself. I'm totally not a sensitive b***h."
That doesn't make any sense. How is making jokes about your own story supposed to affect greater importance? And trying to argue that a video game or cartoon series should have artistic 'poignancy' is way more pretentious by your own definition, since you pretend it has more importance than it really has.
Also, Marvel didn't invent sarcasm or self-depecration, and even the japanese-written games have been tongue-in-cheek about Sonic's oddness, so your claims of 'America is bad' are more pretentious nonsense.
It's pretentious because it's empty, all flash and zero substance. It doesn't give you any deeper meaning or insight and is instead just a vehicle for ironic detachment.
>And trying to argue that a video game or cartoon series should have artistic 'poignancy' is way more pretentious
How? Why can't I judge all art by the same metrics? If no criticism can be made, how is the medium supposed to improve?
>It's pretentious because it's empty, all flash and zero substance
In other words, it doesn't have anything to do with the definition of pretentious, since it's not trying to pretend it's anything more than a show. It's not any more or less subtantial than Sonic saying 'we beat you because of the Superpower of Teamwork!'. It just wants to get a laugh out of the audience.
And so far, all you have given as criticism beyond the pretentious word you keep repeating is 'sarcasm is bad, and without it, everything is earnest'.
>In other words, it doesn't have anything to do with the definition of pretentious, since it's not trying to pretend it's anything more than a show.
It absolutely has everything to do with the term pretentious. That’s the literal definition. “Trying to affect by having greater talent, culture, etc than is actually possessed. That’s what it means, and you can’t flip the definition here.
>And so far, all you have given as criticism beyond the pretentious word you keep repeating is 'sarcasm is bad, and without it, everything is earnest'.
>Sarcasm and self depreciation don’t make for a good or interesting story because it completely neuters any sense of sincerity in any scene it's done in
>It's not done organically because by the time you get used to it you see it coming after every single dramatic scene/statement in a film
>Movies can have humor in them but if it's not a comedy the drama has come first and showing none of the characters are taking it seriously immediately afterwards is the easiest way of neutering the audience's emotional attachment to the events
Yes.
And you have once again failed to explain how making a joke is pretending to be anything.
And hey, newflash: Sonic Boom IS a comedy. So your last argument is nonsense.
I literally just explained it to you, don't blame me for your inability to follow and counter an argument.
>Sonic Boom is a comedy
And it's not a very good one for reasons just stated.
You didn't explain shit. The definition you keep copy-pasting doesn't have shit to do with jokes or sarcasm, and you never say HOW those are pretending to be anything.
And your 'reasons' are nonsense too because they apply to drama, with the last one even saying comedy can put humor first. Sonic Boom doesn't have dramatic stakes and doesn't try to: the plots are vehicle for wacky antics. It's like saying Looney Tunes need to have narrative tension.
>You didn't explain shit. The definition you keep copy-pasting doesn't have shit to do with jokes or sarcasm, and you never say HOW those are pretending to be anything.
Okay, I'm gonna take my kid gloves off then, you'll need to take your tard helmet off for this as well so it can actually get into your brain. It's attempting to impress by self depreciating by going "hey look! We're acknowledging how stupid this is and you should too!" it's attempting to appear more intelligent and self aware than what it is. That's how this is pretentious, you moron. There's a difference between genuine humor, and forced in Seinfield level quips and irony.
>saying humor can come first in a comedy, so they're not in any way
Yes, and even in comedies, characters are sincere and taken seriously, not with self depreciating quips and irony. Or at least all good ones anyway. The best rule of a comedy is to not treat it like one.
>and forced in Seinfield level quips and irony.
>not liking seinfeld
clearly the pot called the kettle black here
Nobody finds that ancient show funny anymore, boomer. FRFR no cap.
Taking your kid gloves off? So you're saying you were making weak arguments on purpose? What a relief! But more seriously, self-depecrating jokes may be called pandering or overtly referencial, but saying it's 'pretentious' like it's pretending to be Citizen Kane make you look really uptight.
And I see you imediatly switched to the so-called 'rules of humor' from the 'rules of drama' with no mention or the latters when I said Boom was a comedy. Tell me, have you ever actually seen the show, even one episode? Or did you catch a clip on YouTube and wrote an angry rant because it dared to make fun of the sacred Sonic franchise ?
>Taking your kid gloves off? So you're saying you were making weak arguments on purpose? What a relief!
Actually, I was trying to dumb them down for you, which is what generally people do when trying to explain complex ideas to a layman.
>But more seriously, self-depecrating jokes may be called pandering or overtly referencial, but saying it's 'pretentious' like it's pretending to be Citizen Kane makes you look really uptight.
And of course, I was expecting too much, because you didn’t provide any actual argument. You’re just saying ‘it’s ridiculous to call it that’ without explaining why. That’s not an argument. Self aware, ironic depreciation is pretentious because it attempts to look more intelligent than it is. I dare you to try and refute that.
>And I see you imediatly switched to the so-called 'rules of humor' from the 'rules of drama' with no mention or the latters when I said Boom was a comedy.
In both cases, they both involve not souring emotional and sincere scenes with self aware irony and humor each and every single time. It’s a writing style that has plagued the industry coming up from people like Joss Whedon, who have only served to spread this corny ethos across all of writing. Comedies are best when they aren’t treated like one. Comedy is funny things happening, not making it seem funny by making fun of itself. Those are actual jokes.
>Tell me, have you ever actually seen the show, even one episode?
Yes, and it’s incredibly awful. I don’t even dare to think of what you think would be a good comedy if this is how low your standards are.
Layman? I didn't know I was speaking to a sociologist. You got your diploma yet or is this practice for your thesis? Because if you just used that word to sound smarter, then it sure would be pretentious. But I'm sure you studied the rules of comedy very seriously instead of presenting your taste as facts or copied them from a random critic youtuber to justify your anger at a cartoon hedgehog being self-depecrating.
But anyway, thank you. Despite not being obligated, you wrote two posts worth of text for me. It warms my heart.
>"Heh, abuhbuhbuhbuh I can't actually engage with you so I'm just gonna make fun of you for 'taking things too seriously.'"
>*BRAAAAPPP* *SNIFFFFFFFFFFF*
>"Heh, my soi bants have outpaced him intellectually!"
You've proven my point immediately.
I tought sarcasm was pretentious and vapid.
This is what's a real joke, zoomie.
I dunno, I thought your other posts were funnier.
And in this absolutely empty gesture you offer, the flaw remains in the argument when it applies to a screenwriter’s ability to remain consistent in a character and tone without floundering with cheap tricks and piss poor understanding of dramatics. Yes we can laugh in the face horrible things and do so all the time, the problem here is that is all there is in moments where character is revealed. Not through action, no that would be heroic. No, what is chosen in these child’s entertainments are the glib words of a coward afraid of emotional catharsis that anybody with a fricking beating heart misses when the opportunity is sullied. And routinely it is sullied here. Whatever spirit you claim exists in this husk of a “film” or its cretinous brethren has long since left. All that remains is a fortune cookie’s worth of attention to the fricking job. You and people like you don't give a shit about fricking anything, not even an argument to the contrary. Get fricked you worthless limp homosexual.
Deboonked, next question
Your meme addled brain legitimately can't think of any responses. You fricking moron.
Monty Python though? You're not a snarky bong are you?
>Or did you catch a clip on YouTube and wrote an angry rant because it dared to make fun of the sacred Sonic franchise?
If you think me being bothered by self aware meme humor and the show making fun of the Sonic franchise is because I'm an angry fanboy and not because it's an entirely empty attempt to appeal to corny internet culture and nerds like yourself that inevitably tank every franchise once you get the reigns of it, you are seriously moronic. Go back to your irony poisoned bugmen where you belong. I can already envision the smug "Heh, well um ackshually buhbuhbuhbuh..." post coming from you next. I'm not obligated to engage with soi bants.
This homosexual again?
He's been at it for a while, he's a fool if he thinks he'll ever match guy and sharktaleanon in autism though
Ayyy
Doing an essay about how a Sonic cartoon is everything wrong about american culture isn't? Self-deprecation is about not taking yourself seriously, so it's the exact opposite of pretentious.
ok sperg
Okay moron.
American have already done sincere shit to death
Now they want lighthearted funny shit
Japan is unironically really bad at doing drama and serious stuff
>Japan is unironically really bad at doing drama and serious stuff
Which is why the Manga industry is currently buttfricking Western comics super hard, right?
>America has done sincere shit to death
.... where?
Have you never seen a classic Disney flick prior to anything in the 80's?
Ya know...back when the dude who the studio is named after was alive? I mean Walt was a scumbag, but the stories he wanted to tell where very sincere( or at least so overly saccharine that it appears sincere)
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Everyone agrees that Shadow’s story was when his character peaked. I’ll gladly take 06’s story over baldy mcnosehair.
His character peaked when he died.
>Everyone agrees that Shadow’s story was when his character peaked.
Yeah but homies are not gonna pay money just to have a peak Shadow story again
The game is called SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, not SHADOW TRAVELS THROUGH TIME WHILE TALKING TO HIMSELF
>le ambition = good. jokes = bad
Who gives a shit if the gameplay is hot garbage
DUDE HOLY FRICK
LISTEN
YOU DONT GET IT
*GRABS YOU BY THE ADAM'S APPLE*
HIS MIDDLE NAME
IS "THE"
Oh, sarcasm. How original.
There is nothing of value in a sincere sonic except when its by accident,like Omelette
Sonic Boom was hilarious and genuinely intelligent frequently and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't
>Dude le thing is so wacky amirite viewer? haha follow our official account on twitter
Hey now, didn't you hear? Sarcasm is pretentious!
I can tell you thought this was really poignant and precise criticism and that you've probably copy and pasted it at least five times since you shat it out of the mud puddle you call a brain
What's with sonic gays being so defensive and self serious about their shitty video games?
We joke about Chris Chan a lot because he's the extreme but fact is a good amount of sonic fans are very similar to CWC just not as far as him. It's why CWC is such an interesting thing to watch. Because there are a lot of people, sonic fans in particular, who could totally be seen doing similar things. This is the kind of fans that this shit draws.
>Implying the modern internet isn’t sprawling with Chris Chan types for any and every piece of media
Why does anyone get defensive about cartoons at all? Especially when anime and manga are inherently better than western shit.
>What's with sonic gays being so defensive and self serious about their shitty video games?
We're on Cinemaphile, Cinemaphile, discussing Sonic, that's like triple the autism power in one thread
Sonic Boom > Most recent Sonic content not named Mania or the movies
The movies are awful. Can we stop collectively pretending they are good because they changed Sonic’s design? They literally only appeal to braindead normalgays and are filled with fortnite memes, fart jokes, and other similar “jokes”.
>They literally only appeal to braindead normalgays and are filled with fortnite memes, fart jokes, and other similar “jokes”.
So, it did it's job of appealing to a broader audience other than autististic Sonicgays?
And got rewarded with a sequel, a tv spinoff, ANOTHER sequel, being the forlorn hope of all vidya inspired movie franchises and the weird honor of retiring Jim Carrey.
Not a bad trade off. Now if only the games can do anything remotely successful
If your idea of what makes good art is what appeals to the most amount of people, you are corporately brain rotted.
>sarcasm is insecurity
insecure hands typed this post
Being ironic is the weak mans shield against anyone criticising things he likes.
Admitting you like something, truly and sincerely, means that if people laugh at it, you have to have enough conviction in that thing to stand by it and risk them laughing at you as well.
But if you're ironic or sarcastic and make a nod and a wink to the audience then you can pull the uno reverso and call them a loser for taking seriously the thing that you obviously did tongue in cheek and not noticing, lmao what a homosexual right everyone.
It's the most cucked thing in the entire world, letting people shit all over things you like and instead of standing up for them or defending it, you join in and make it even more of a joke.
To stand without irony as your get out free card is to have balls in the current world.
So don't expect it from anything mainstream.
Not understanding sarcasm is a common symptom of autism, fun fact!
Is there a more based thread than this?
>I enjoyed Sonic Boom, let's check this thread...
>[reads thread]
>BlazingSaddles.gif
Sorry, I think I got lost. I'll be on my way now.
I'm happy there's still someone on this board capable of carrying the torch of sharktalegay's autism
Sonic Boom was fun and I liked it.
I know you're pissed off about it, but honestly Sonic Boom is one of the few shows where it makes sense that the characters are so sarcastic and flippant about their source material. Sonic and co. aren't taking on massive world ending threats, they're just native islanders protecting one no-name village from a crazy but relatively harmless mechanist. A number of episodes never even see Eggman at all, and it's just their weird escapades dealing with mundane crap from the local village. There's usually no huge stakes involved, the characters generally have their competence well in hand, and otherwise live fairly carefree lives interspersed with moments of excitement when Eggman attacks. So it's fully believable they snark their way through life when they figure they've pretty much got things in the bag.
this. sonic boom is actually pretty good show. shit like star trek lower decks is fricking garbage.
I miss sincerity with ridiculous concepts. It's like people have no faith in their fictional worlds anymore that they blatantly have to state how ridiculous things are, instead of having the characters being genuine with whatever weird stuff they set up with the other characters or the world. It defeats the concept of escapism. I know this shit is fake, I know it could never happen, but its fun to access it with the perspective that it's how things work here, and understand the motivations behind why the characters do what they do in that context.
>"Dude it's *hyper reductive statement pointing out how ridiculous it is* stop taking it so seriously."
>"Just turn off your brain and enjoy it."
>"it ain't that serious."
>"it ain't that deep bro."
>"Why does it have to take itself seriously all the time?"
>"Just have fun."
As a writer myself, nothing pisses me off more than these phrases and they've lead to the death of good writing in general. This is often used as an excuse for anti intellectualism. There's a difference between different stories and bad writing. These phrases have created a zeitgeist of unknowing and unthinking consoomers who just lap up all the shit that their given under the guise of "Dude just stop taking it seriously and don't critically think." This, combined with the cynical and ironic meme culture of today has only exasperated it. In this era of individualism art is worthless because nobody wants to be impacted by anything. All that people want is to glorify themselves and get their wieners sucked.
So, I'm guessing nobody picked up your book, uh?
>when kids are so fricking brainwashed that they interpret someone asking why people are less open to knew ideas than ever, as someone falling in a capitalistic system.
Capitalism killed art
What new ideas? A comedy is shit because it has sarcasm? Wow, yeah, what a change in the world. And don't kid yourself, capitalism has always been linked to art. You know why most sculptures were made in the Renaissance? Because a rich guy wanted to show off his statut.
Anything outside of very basic and formulaic superhero movies. Nobody wants any challenging art.
>And don't kid yourself, capitalism has always been linked to art. You know why most sculptures were made in the Renaissance? Because a rich guy wanted to show off his statut.
Are you trying to say the untold generations of cave painters, storytellers and early music wasn’t really art?
No, what we don't want is a shitter screaming about how civilization is doomed because a cartoon made fun of video games.
>No argument
Lol. I hope you realize what you just said is moronic.
This is what started all of this shit, dumbass. It was some guy going 'how dare this comedy make a joke about Sonic? This is what's wrong about modern day society!' Then other people said 'shut up, it's a tv show, not the bane of your existence' and apparently that was the wrong thing to say.
And yeah, there's basic stuff that's popular with the public. There always have been, long before one of those Marvel movies was even made. And if your counterexample is the goddamn prehistoric era, then it's not really saying much about society. Pretending that it's a recent phenomenon or that individualism or irony is ruining art is one of the dumbest shit I've ever seen written.
>Modern American pop culture is filled with irony and has almost no sincerity
Yes.
>People are even less open to new ideas now than ever before and it's thanks to this homogeneous cinematic universe schlock with normie jokes interspersed between.
Yes.
>If your only example is the goddamn prehistoric era than you're not saying much about society.
Your argument was that capitalism and art have always been connected and I just proved you incorrect, very easily I might add. So don't backpedal now because what you just said stupid.
you're such a fricking obnoxious shitwit, shut the frick up. he's right, you're wrong. homosexual
>shut the frick up. he's right, you're wrong. homosexual
Sorry friend, it's been deboonked
Art predates money you moronic gorilla Black person, and it definitely was not invented in Renaissance Italy, or on commission.
You sound like some coping agent or industry hack.
>You sound like some coping agent or industry hack.
Guy? You're the sonic autist?
I'd americanize Sticks
Anon, you might have a point if you were talking about any other adaptation but this is Sonic fricking Boom. A failed reboot of a series that has been floundering since the PS2 days and that everyone but Sega instantly knew would fail. The only thing of value that came from Boom was the cartoon that was obviously in on the joke. You picked one of the only examples of Americans being allergic to sincerity that actually improved things.
And yet it was still better than all the laughable attempts at shonen or drama Sega keeps trying.
Sonic Boom is what happens when an entire production knows nobody is watching the show. It was glorious.
Didn't think Cinemaphile was low enough to actually defend meta, irony, and sarcasm as "humor".
What kind of humor are you into o enlightened professor of comedy?
Actual jokes.
Look, we don't want to hear about your life.
>"Durrr hurrr look at my soi bants! Such epic own! Give me karma please!"
See, you recognized it as a joke. Didn't even need to add a wojack to signal people.
I'll have you know I've gotten at least two "based" on my last Cinemaphile thread
Such as? Name some comedy series/movies /whatever that you like.
Ghostbusters? The jokes are actual jokes with the characters never making fun of the idea or premise.
Everything, everywhere, all at once?
Blazing Saddles?
Monty Python?
>Monty Python?
Your reddit is showing
>Blazing Saddles?
You...you do realize that was a parody of a western, right?
The whole premise is to make fun of the source material they where aping from, as well as the (at the time) inherent ridiculousness of a black sheriff. Maybe if the film took place after say, Django Unchained, then there may be an argument.
>Monty Python?
Which one? Both of them where parodies of their respective source material, with plenty of 4th wall breaks & audience winks. The only difference is they weren't cynical about it.
Tell me, was there ever a time in any of these movies where they cynically made fun of their concepts or was it more like sincere joking?
Ghostbusters 2 start with the Ghostbusters as has-beens who nobody take seriously.
Ghostbusters 2 is a bad movie.
Imagine if they did this now
Every time I see that thumbnail I think it's a pic of pregnant Sonic.
>Video games about a smartass cartoon animal that uses his speed and smarts to outwit a short-tempered fatass with a big mustache being funny is LE BAD
>Hyper reductionist statement
I'll bet you take ninja turtles seriously though.
Ah yes, the famous Ninja Turtles vs Sonic fandom rivalry. Both series which take themselves very seriously.
>Dude, mutant turtles who are ninjas and live in the sewers, fighting a masked Japanese warlord from ancient times in the modern day, having a rival who uses hockey gear and going to space to fight triceratops aliens is totally realistic and grounded! That can be taken seriously!
>A group of bipedal animals trying to stop a mad scientist from kidnapping animals, enslaving them and destroying their lands? Nah that's just too silly, can't be taken seriously.
don't have a cow, dude
I was literaly saying TMNT was the same silly crap. Also you left out Shredder being named after a kitchen appliance.
>Why are these comic book characters drawn like every Marvel/DC superhero seen as more tonally consistent then the Max Flescher/Looney Tunes animals fighting Terminators built by an obese Yosemite Sam?
Because cutesy designs like these have absolutely never been done with more mature or dramatic tonality. Nope, nuh uh.
>Inb4 they're being juxtaposed with more serious designs!
You know, just posting Tezuka stuff every time someone questiones the juxitposition of cartoony and realistic designs (something Tezuka wasn't event trying to do) is making it more justifiable to kick you outta here and back the bowels of Cinemaphile where you belong.
>Something Tezuka wasn't even trying to do
Proof?
Bone's just a Disney fairy tale with a PG rating. A contrast is built into the story for sure between the Bones and the Valley, but it's ultimately "Mickey, Scrooge and Goofy stumble into a mashup of Sleeping Beauty and the Black Cauldron".
It's not like you're being told that only Poochie and the cast of Once Upon a Forest can stop Skynet and a photorealistic Cthulhu that briefly takes the form of an edgier Poochie.
>They're being juxtaposed with serious designs!
That's right, cowabunga dude
don't poke the autist Cinemaphile that's rude
How is this the “Americanization” of media when all the media for the past century before it was also american
Wuxia is responsible for the modern action film, so you're wrong.
>100 posts for the braindead from the braindead
when will mods address the bot issue?
>Macho pseudo-intellectual BS
The same people that are ironic and cynical think machoness and masculinity are stupid too
But this series wasn't just sarcasm. It was slightly weird irreverent French meta-humor as well. I quite liked it.
ITT: A troll or genuine autist gets upset when there's self-deprecating humor in his super serious epic tale about a blue rodent defeating an army of robots with the power of friendship.
While fighting an egg-shaped manchild with a carnival obsession.
>Sarcasm and self depreciation don’t make for a good or interesting story because it completely neuters any sense of sincerity in any scene it's done in
>It's not done organically because by the time you get used to it you see it coming after every single dramatic scene/statement in a film
>Movies can have humor in them but the drama has to come first and showing none of the characters are taking it seriously immediately afterwards is the easiest way of neutering the audience's emotional attachment to the events
Yes.
If you're emotionally connected to a blue hedgehog you have bigger problems than not getting invested in the story. Not even Sonic Boom was sarcastic 100% of the time, the term you're looking for is "comedy".
>"Buhbuhbuh if you genuinely like and want things to be serious there's something wrong with you buhbuhbuh buh."
I want your take on sonic's blue arms, need it or keep it?
>no argument
I fricking knew it, it's the arms
Nothing is ever sarcastic all the time. But sarcasm is a problem.
>sarcasm shouldn't ever exist in Sonic
Do you know anything at all about the character?
>Do you know anything at all about the character?
Yeah, I do. Joking around isn't self depreciating irony, stop trying to falsely equivocate any jokes with sarcasm, you're not only worse of what you're accusing me of being, your mind is fricking rotted.
You're the one who keep saying sarcasm to means 'self-deprecation'. It's not my fault you don't know how to use the right words.
Sonic is jokey, not sarcastic. It's not my fault that you're too moronic to understand the difference.
His very first line in Sonic Adventure 2 is sarcasm at GUN's expense.
That's a joke. Not self depreciating sarcasm that ruins a dramatic moment. You can keep trying to push this as hard as you want to, but it's never going to work.
But Sonic Boom never has sarcasm in dramatic moments, because Boom doesn't have drama. How is this relevant?
Yes and boom has self depreciating sarcasm, making fun of itself and rhe series. That's the problem. That's why it's relevant. Stop trying to obfuscate.
*deprecating
No, you're the one bringing up sarcasm in a dramatic moment as if it's part of your complaint, even tough it's completely unrelated. Your point is that Sonic shouldn't be mocked because it runs the drama, which was totally taken seriously by people before.
Well, I got news for you: Sonic is not a sacred cow that everybody should respect as if it's the universal religion. It's a video game franchise that had some moments commonly seen as bad, and everybody's allowed to mock it, including the people behind this show. And if that prevents you, personally, from enjoying a game written by completely different people, well too bad.
>Strawman as they're both self depreciating regardless of dramatics
>Thought terminating cliche
>Thought terminating cliche
>"buh huh being bothered by self deprecating irony means you're stupid. You can't just call out this shows empty attempts to appeal to the internet meme zeitgeist surrounding Sonic because that hurts my fee fees. Eat shit! Eat shit and like it! No criticism! No criticism at all! >"You can't just substantiate your arguments! That ruins my strawman of them being anything beyond superfluous b***hing!!!! Noo!!!!"
Cry me a river.
Yes, and jokes aren't sarcasm.
So you just keep copypasting the same shit in the same thread? Wow, no wonder you're so bothered by people being the least bit witty.
Is that why I never liked this show? Thanks for putting the words in my mouth, OP!
Ghostbusters 1 has one character keep throwing smartass comments and jokes about his situation, so that's kind of a bad example. Like, one of his first sentences upon seeing the final boss is a sailor joke.
Sonic's a fricking dinosaur. The only "cartoon animal with 90s attitude" still relevant in modern culture by merit of being the first one and being the face of the guys that lost the 90s Console Wars.
OP's right, next show should disregard americucks and have sex scenes.
You're even worse.
Seething
Never a dull moment in a Sonic thread
If you were talkung about the games, I'd agree with you.
The show however was actually better than the game it was meant to tie in with
This show gets exhausting fast. I assume most of the fans were watching it weekly or something.
Tiki Culture is also Americanized invention, do you hate Tiki Culture now? just relax
Boom is its own universe and would be fun to develop more. And it also has the best incarnation of Amy so theres that too
You guys don't understand, having Aspergers means I'm smarter than you
Only Sonic fans that have never watched anything actually funny think this show is good
Why do you guys reply to this thread? It's posted weekly. OP just changes the image every couple of weeks.
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