The Bad Batch is back for one last ride, and once again Filoni is flagrantly violating the canon
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The Bad Batch is back for one last ride, and once again Filoni is flagrantly violating the canon. >:(
ventress lives, that's all that I fricking care about
Jeez, really?
Is Filoni just allergic to the thought of characters dying?
Feels more like he views canon that he or George didn't write as being 2nd tier
If that was the case, we would have had Star Killer in this by now.
StarKiller’s armor was in Andor so who even knows that this point
He wants the ability to have his characters cameo in other shows whenever he feels like it
No one's ever really gone
Unless they're played by Gina Carano
Ventress death was moronic and both George and Filoni were part of the team who wrote the original Comic book finale for her.
So this is they makin it nucanon-canon.
Therefore Kenobi-Ventress ship is back in full for the season 2 of the show
He is honoring george and EU's wish while keeping the shit away til the Hour Disney sells Lucasfilm back to George and FOX
Which is happening soon since Shareholders are dropping their wallets off disney
Bad Batch is going to end with the revelation that the titular clone unit was alive throughout the events of the OT and even ST, they were just offscreen (as in literally right around the corner during iconic moments in the movies) the whole time.
Hey, I've seen this one before!
>DARTH'D
he never kills his OCs
Nope, he has his favorites and will move heaven and earth (make anything that impedes his faves noncanon) to do so. And make sacrifices.
Why the frick did they give her hair though?
Not the first time
Remember when they retconned the Jeti Jedi's death?
>Why the frick did they give her hair though?
THEY didn't. Katie Lucas did.
Fricking hell. Should I even bother watching the last season of this?
I am already crushed by how badly he fricked the pooch with the Ahsoka show, and now he pulls this? I don’t want Ventress back, she had a satisfying ending in Dark Disciple. Is he salty that he wasn’t able to animate that story? Is that why he is doing this? FFS Filoni why did you become such a hack.
Can’t get shit in Star Wars or Sonic anymore among other things
I’ve made it up my mind. I’m going to watch the season, and suffer when it inevitably goes to shit. Then I’m never watching anything new of Star War again except maybe Andor because everything else new is gonna be a whole new story that I’m not invested in.
> Is he salty that he wasn’t able to animate that story? Is that why he is doing this? FFS Filoni why did you become such a hack.
Visual Media > Printed Media it seems. Doesn’t matter if it’s established in a book, it gets overridden once it gets to the Movie/TV production. Many such cases.
>Filoni
>Become a hack
He's always been one, anom
>He's always been one, anom
He is probably the only person at Lucasfilm who is trying to keep Lucas' legacy and original vision alive, he still asks Lucas and his daughter if it's okay to do this or that, should a character be like this or like that, etc. Filoni, Witwer and perhaps Favreau are the reason Star Wars is still a relevant cultural phenomenon. If Disney fires them, the Star Wars we knew and loved will officially die. Look at Star Trek, it's a joke no, no one gives a frick about it anymore, no one even cares about Picard vs Kirk. Look at LotR, after Christopher Tolkien died it turned into a mess, they're making a shitty TV show they've spent a billion dollars on already and it's been only 1 season so far, and now they want to make a series of "sequel" books set in the Fourth Age and beyond, they tried to hire Sanderson but he gave them the middle finger and basically said he didn't want to become the JJ Abrams of Tolkien lore, so now they'll probably hire some fanfic author to write a story about a young Umbaran trans woman destroying the evil white Gondorian patriarchy and fighting for orc rights or something.
The titular Bad b***h finally arrives.
For the record. I blame all of you dipshits for cheering Darth Maul returning for this shit, this is directly your fault
Maul was George, and George can do whatever the frick he wants with his brainchild. Disney are a bunch of morons and they did not make Star Wars, they merely own it legally, but they have no creative authority.
Maul coming back would've been fine if he was a clone who thinks he's the real deal. Sidious unleashes him towards the end of the war and disposes of him when he's outlived his usefulness. Simple.
I stopped watching Clone Wars after that stupid shit.
I’m fine with this since Dark Disciple sucks ass.
Characters from non-book series dying in books is stupid as hell anyway
It was supposed to be part of main TCW, like that comic about Talzin getting killed by Sidious
I already know Filoni wants to make a reference to how Ventress was last seen in Legends, just taking some clone to parts unknown.
Between Ventress and Alpha, which is more immortal? Because both seemed to constantly survive shit that should have killed them purely because they were too cool to die. They make Durge look vulnerable.
Ventress. She has Jedi training, Nightsister training and Rattataki combat prowess if you count the EU. That’s an OP combination. Alpha-17, while he is almost a carbon-copy of Jango in traits/behavior aside from a few genetic modifications, is still going to be dead in less than 50~ years. Alpha can probably last a bit longer against a force-user, unlike most of his brethren, but still wouldn’t be enough to save him.
On the one hand
>NO-ONE'S EVER REALLY GONE
On the other, Ventress doesn't die so I don't know. We'll see how it plays out.
Ventress was supposed to come back in Resistance to fight Kylo Ren before they swapped her out with a new character to avoid taking attention away from the leads, which is par for the course for Sequel Trilogy writing motives.
tbh Old Lady Ventress should probably Mop Kylo.
The Mandalorian fell apart precisely because they kept taking away attention from the leads to pave way for the legacy characters' appearances
The Mandalorian fell apart because they brought back baby yoda in a show about Boba Fett and undid the previous two seasons in one swift stroke. The writing became utterly atrocious and the show started to look and sound terrible, and Pedro Pascal was not even on set. Plus, baby yoda novelty has worn out, so no one cares anymore.
And why do you think they did that? Because it just became a vehicle to launch spinoffs for characters that were already long established before Din and Grogu.
No? They did not have to bring back Baby Yoda to Din, and thus undoing the entirety of Season 2. They could have had a season with Din and Bo-Katan having a rivalry over Mandalore, and Grogu could have been studying with Luke. Book of Boba Fett ruined everything. S3 of The Mandalorian with its absolutely moronic choices and disdain for any sort of real character development or conflict ruined it even further.
Sending Grogu back to Mando was a moronic merchandising driven move, but Mando on that space ring city was absolutely kino
I would say bringing in Ahsoka and Luke was what ruined Mando in the first place, the original appeal of the series was that it was set in its own small gritty corner of the SW galaxy but season two with all its cameos and references basically turned it into just another chapter for the Skywalker Saga, specifically a Rebels sequel that mainly sets up the ST.
Now I'm constantly wondering "why doesn't Din just get Luke to help him with dealing with the Imperial Remnants when he asks less capable and busier people to assist him?" If they really wanted Luke to appear then he should have been the series finale, after the imperial remnant had been dealt with and Mandalore had been retaken.
explain the spoiler
The trailer shows Ventress is back, but she died in the Dark Disciple novel, which was a novelizaiton of an 8-episode Clone Wars arc that was cut mid-production when the show was cancelled the first time.
barely anyone reads the novels
Yeah, but that's different. It's based on the story of George Lucas and the scripts written by Katie Lucas. It's an adaptation of the arc that was supposed to be animated, had Disney not cancelled the show when they bought the franchise. It's supposed to be hard canon, the same as the original 6 films, the rest of TCW and Son of Dathomir. Whatever happens here, it is clearly not something that Lucas intended at the time. There was nothing to hint that Ventress survived. Her end was pretty definitive. But we've long past the point of Disney Lucasfilm aligning with Lucas' vision, so at this point I'm just an old man yelling at the clouds.
>There was nothing to hint that Ventress survived. Her end was pretty definitive
1. ripping off the EU (faked her death)
2. nightsister magic can bring someone back from the dead (however not explored in the concept of bringing them back as a person and not a zombie)
3. talismans of ressurrection (EU again, mentioned in the book of sith, Ventress even comments on them inside the book)
Yeah, it's all cope however. At this point, they can do whatever they want, like I said. But again, Lucas' intention for the story was for Dark Disciple to be her definitive end and her last big arc that span across 8 episodes over The Clone Wars seasons 7 and 8 originally. However, we're long past the point of them aligning with Lucas' vision and story. I won't mind if the story is good, but anything Disney has made is basically a parallel universe, just another branch of the EU, so whatever. But all this is possible because they cancelled the show, and now they can frick with the storylines that were originally developed by Lucas. It's Cad Bane all over again. He was originally supposed to be killed by Boba Fett in TCW arc, with him officially becoming the best bounty hunter and getting a dent in his helmet from that duel, but that never got made, so Cad Bane survived a headshot somehow and they can milk him further. Only they killed him in the most pathetic and moronic way in the Boba Fett live action show.
Filoni also decided to not do the "Boba kills Cad Bane" arc so I think at this point anything goes.
It clearly happened. It was referenced in The Book of Boba Fett (which was fricking moronic, since no one ever saw that, only very few people saw that unfinished clip of their duel from Star Wars Celebration 2015) and Cad Bane has a metal plate on his head, indicating that he survived a fricking headshot. So they treat the story as if it'd happened. Only it's not what was originally intended. Cad Bane was supposed to die. Boba Fett takes the mantle of the best bounty hunter in the Galaxy, proves Cad Bane wrong about Jango, gets the dent in his helmet from that very duel. He becomes Boba Fett from the OT and finishes his arc. Cad Bane served his purpose. It's all neatly tied with no loose ends. Until they decided instead of actually animating and finishing Clone Wars, they would rather milk Cad Bane more, and here we are, with his disgraceful and embarrassing death in a terrible live-action show. Many such cases.
>Boba Fett takes the mantle of the best bounty hunter in the Galaxy
Except all canonical material shows that particular point never happened. Boba has showed that he's never been anything more than a mediocre bounty hunter and that he's nothing more than a trigger happy incompetent. The comics showed this, his scene with Vader in TESB implied this, his getting knocked into a giant venus fly trap by a blind man in ROTJ showed this, even the whole of TBoBF showed it.
He was never the best. He wasn't even mid. His only credits were being the son of the greatest bounty hunter in galactic history and getting lucky by winning a shootout with the second best because he happened to be wearing a bucket of beskar on his head.
>He's never been anything more than a mediocre bounty hunter and that he's nothing more than a trigger happy incompetent. The comics showed this, his scene with Vader in TESB implied this
THE Darth Vader, hiring bunch of incompetent morons on one of the most important mission to him? Really? Not to mention Fett was the only guy who outsmarted Han Solo and managed to get him. He always was a professional. Also about his fall in RotJ It's not like other SW villains had met dignifying end
>THE Darth Vader, hiring bunch of incompetent morons on one of the most important mission to him? Really?
No, him hiring ONE incompetent moron among two of the galaxy's best, two other literal whos and one run of the mill IG. If Vader was going to intentionally hire the best, that lineup would've been guys like Dengar, Bossk, Cad Bane, Black Krrsantan, Fennic Shand, Din Djarin and Embo.
>Not to mention Fett was the only guy who outsmarted Han Solo and managed to get him
Fett didn't get him though. VADER did. All Boba did was figure out Solo's ruse. Vader and his troopers did the actual capturing.
Also a Certain Point of View shows that the Empire gave people like 36 hours to respond to their initial invitation. A ton of hunters probably heard the call but were doing their own jobs and didn't want to frick off to Hoth
Don’t bother, anon, it’s the resident Boba Fett hater. He can’t give credit where its due to the original Mando.
>He can’t give credit where its due to the original Mando.
What does Pre Vizsla have to do with this?
You now remember how poorly and lazily they handled Cad Bane in The Book of Boba Feet
he look good thou, pretty boy
George wanted Ahsoka to die before RotS.
Lucas had changed his mind about that before he sold out
Disney didn’t cancel the show, Warner did because they didn’t want to advertise a rival company’s property. You can blame Disney for not just ordering a 3 or 4 season new show adapting the cancelled CW arcs.
I'm most annoyed that they didn't adapt the Cad Bane/Boba Fett arc, since the Boba Fett show acts like they have a prior relationship despite us never having seen it.
I wish we'd gotten the episode that canonized the Yuuzhan Vong.
What for? So Rey Skywalker™'s New Jedi Order can defeat them?
I just want a bad guy faction that isn't the Sith and stormtroopers again. Say what you will about the CIS, but at least they had battle droids.
I love the Battle Droids and id like to see non troopers but hte Vong are.... very much a product of their time, they are 90s EDGE taken to the max. It'd be hard to take them seriously in a modern context.
Plus id have to imagine they wouldn't do the "Their immune to the Force" bit. Lucas was adamantly against that and Filoni has also backed that up.
Idk why people dislike Vongs being the Void in the Force so much when everyone liked KOTOR 2 when it used it as a plot element
The general idea that Lucas had is basically Force flows through ALL living things... in a cycle where the Cosmic Force feeds into the Living Force which feeds back INTO the Cosmic Force... so if your just void to the Force your just dead.
It's a major spoiler to NJO but Vongs are actually not 'devoid of the Force'. Anakin and Jacen Solo learn this by setting mental connections with Vong lifeforms. Their connection to the Force was just severly warped after Vong species were cut off from symbiosis with their sentient home planet
Nobody fricking cares, they are a stupid idea that doesn't fit the setting.
wrong
>moviegay
Frick off Disneyshill
Because it is contradictory to Star Wars. The Force resides in ALL LIVING THINGS, SURROUNDS US, PENETRATES US, BINDS THE GALAXY TOGETHER. There can be no "voids" in the Force. The Force is the fundamental constant to the setting of Star Wars, like gravity. The Force is the reason all life in the setting exists. "Void" in the Force is a contradictory concept that breaks the rules of the setting.
Cases of Void of the Force in EU were not really contradictory to Star Wars cosmology
>Ysalamir
They don't 'Push back the Force'. They just lower the connection with the Force to the lowest setting, like some animals irl faking death
>Yuuzhan Vong
Explained here
>Darth Nihilus
Portrayed as a literal death incarnate
>The Force is the fundamental constant to the setting of Star Wars, like gravity
You’re a moron
Shut up Lucas cum guzzler, the rules are boring as frick and deserve to be broken because you thought of this autistic shit more than he did
>BTFOs jedi & sith mastery over the force so dogs don't eat them
Vong works as a concept of a powerful enemy invading from another galaxy because their old home is fricked but their designs need to be thrown out and their entire structure need to be more similar to the Covenant from Halo instead of edge incarnate.
The Covenant are a religious theocracy that's even more ideologically moronic than the Sith and the Jedi Orders combined though.
More so the general idea of a ton of alien races working for an order of power hungry nutbags that they worship. Snoke's design would've been an excellent example of this before his concept was altered into being a weird ass clone.
i don't know if the Covenant would be the direction to go but the "WE LITERALLY WORSHIP PAIN, WE HAVE SPINES INFUSED IN OUR SKIN EVERYWHERE RAH RAH RAH" shit would need to be toned down. It's PAINFULLY 90s (seriously it felt like every damn Sci-Fi series was doing EDGY pain worshiping bad guy races around then) and just comes off as super silly nowadays.
Yuuzhan Vong doesn't worship pain. It's just only one bad guy from Book 2 and 3 (whose clan is considered as a weirdo by other Vongs) but somehow people think every Vongs were like that
Vong design is very similar to the Reman from Star Trek but with more orc features. They're better off going original.
Zahn originally wanted to call them the Sith to explain what made Vader, the Dark Lord of the Sith. The idea being that he saved them in the past and because of that, they worshipped him. Lucas told him no and explained to him and the other EU writers what the Sith actually were. This is why they were portrayed correctly afterwards even bore TPM came out. And why that dumb Dark Jedi shit got phased out.
>Disney didn’t cancel the show
They literally did.
https://www.wired.com/2013/03/disney-clone-wars-cancelled/
>Warner did
Warner had nothing to do with Clone Wars other than distributing the 2008 pilot movie. CN had the license for the first 5 seasons, which is why The Lost Missions, aka Season 6, was sold to Netflix.
>You can blame Disney for not just ordering a 3 or 4 season new show adapting the cancelled CW arcs.
The show was in development. They cancelled it in the middle of the production, and it was sudden. When George sold, they clearly promised him to keep the show going, finishing it as intended with 8 seasons. Same way they promised him that they would use his story treatments for the sequels and that he will be a creative consultant. Same way they promised not to lay off any workers, because George wanted to make sure that everyone at Lucasfilm had a secure future. But they lied about everything: they cancelled TCW, they shut down Lucasarts, they said frick you to George and his treatments. You don't know shit about what you're talking about.
Okay? And? What’s the point of bringing Ventress back though? And a lot more people at least read Dark Disciple than you think and those that didn’t, they know what happened
Nobody cares about the novels.
I mean Cad Bane also showed up when he was original going to die in a cut Boba Fett Clone Wars arc
Yeah but that story wasn't adapted in a novel they sold as being canon
Is Filoni retconning the Novels?
Again?
Ventress dying in a book was fricking dumb anyway
>[Brad Rau] makes clear that her return will honor prior tales, including the book in which the character apparently perished. “We don't want to spoil anything, but want fans to know that any new storytelling with Ventress will align with the events of Star Wars: Dark Disciple.”
wut
If true, I'm guessing witch magic shenanigans
Already a retcon in itself since undead magick beings were always feral zombies in both the Clone Wars and Jedi Fallen Order. But then this would coincide with the fart magick Inquisitor Marrok in Ahsoka that was able to think and speak.
If we're going by his Ahsoka show then I imagine that he's just going to use the world between worlds frickery to bring her back.
Nah no need. Nightsister Magic is an easier way to go about it.
>somehow, ventress returned
I can deal with it, she died by force lighting and there are canon ways to enter a dead like state with the force.
It's probably going to be something with Nightster Magic, didn't they basically leave her body to rest in like what was basically a damn pool of it?
JJ and Feloni are two sides of the same coin.
But not Padme, figures
He gets his armour back, right?
>Ventress alive
>Cody quit the empire
>Tech's probably gonna come back.
I sorta respect his inability to let things be.
That's not "letting things be", that's stagnation of story progression.
TAYCH! definitely fell into the water and got picked up by creepy fricker. Will come back evil and re-brain chipped. Its why he had his goggles at the end
Tech is dead, anon. There's no reason for him to come back, especially when this is the final season. If anything, more of the BB will probably kick the bucket.
>Disney retconning their own canon now
They’ve truly become the Nu-EU.
They’ve been doing it for years. Which is funny because they marketed the story group as making sure this never happens.
>now
Filoni isn't writing bad batches you moron
Why did you do it, Dave? While we have you here, why have you yet to write a Thrawn scheme that isn't "they beat me....but thats exactly what I wanted them to do, so I win muahahahaha"?
MYSTERY homie
Somehow.. Fives returned.
trailer says it's "clone X-1"
>not content with aping just republic commando, filoni now has to ape battlefront
Just let Filoni have his way. He might dredge up 1313 from it's grave then.
I mean, he's clearly another Clone X like the one that tried to ice Chuchi
What? When was there a Clone X in Battlefront
The PSP exclusive Elite Squadron, it took most of concepts from the canceled bf3 and 4 games. The protag in the story is X1, a jedi clone.
is there a psp emulator
>two very different characters happen to have the same very generic name
That's pretty pedantic IMO
Now if X-1 has force powers I'll happily join in with the booing
The campaign for the canceled Free Radical Battlefront 3 was to feature a playable clone named X2, the clone on top in this image. He was a force sensitive clone of the Jedi knight Falon Grey, alongside his brother X1, bottom of this image. Qhen the project was shelved, the assets were reused to create Elite Squadron for the PSP and DS.
X2 was the protagonist, but seeing as you can count the amount of people that played Elite Squadron on one hand i'm not gonna be pissy about it.
>He was a force sensitive clone
What a terrible idea. The only acceptable Force-sensitive clones are the clones of Palpatine, just not in the way it's done in the ST, it should not even be a real Force, no one should be able to clone midichlorians, it should be some sort of Force-mimicking serum or some sort of Nightsisters' magic like what they did to Savage Opress.
Force sensitives can be cloned. The problem is that they always turn out crazy.
the U's have nothing to do with height, fyi
What a load of bullshit. The best solution to this is that clones are force sensitive randomly, regardless of who is being cloned.
is that Ryan Gosling
ITS TOONAMI homie!
> Clone X-1
> Smaller than the Stormtroopers
Yeah, it'll be a unmodified clone of Jango like Boba, but this one was raised to obey the emperor or some such bullshit. he is small because he is a teenager by now.
>because he is a teenager by now.
He is not. There is a shot of him talking unmasked.
what if its Slick?
Doubtful. It's the super brainwashed black ops clones without serial numbers from Tantiss. There already was one in S2, he tried to kill Chuchi.
Is he purple or what?
With green details on the armor...Wait...
thanks doc
The lightning makes it difficult to read, that trooper looks like a saturated blue rather than a violet.
rate her new hairstyle
Gross, looks like a male influencer cut.
cute, tomboy look
I like it
Some doomer Tantiss Omega would be funny
I'm just glad ventress is back
she's been underused the past 9 years, its great to have her in the spotlight once again
it's good to finally see her with hairs, she's hot
If anything, they are setting her to show up in kenobi season 2, after all, he wasn't alone in tatooine by the time ezra came to visit him as it seems.
>pic related is now possible
>kenobi season 2
Anon... Kenobi S2 is not happening. People hated the first season, they mutilated his character and focused on that Black female Inquisitor instead, and almost noone liked her.
The numbers were there and the actors are down for it. If Ahsoka S2 is happening and Rey movie of all things is happening, then this shit will happen as well. Cody and Ventress will be Kenobi S2 mark my words.
>Cody and Ventress will be Kenobi S2 mark my words.
They already tried to introduce Cody in S1, but he didn't really fit into the story, and as much as I like Ventress, I don't think she would play out well as a live-action character, nor would Quinlan (yes, I know he appeared in The Phantom Menace, but that was just one shot of him sitting, and then he was mentioned by Kenobi 2 times, first in RotS and then in the show). Also, the story in S1 concluded the narrative of Kenobi's adventures before A New Hope, just let him live in the desert and watch his best friend's son grow up for the last 9 years of Ben's life, without worrying about what is going on in the Galaxy (other than his archenemy getting to him in Rebels).
>How so?
By making him a spineless coward in the very first episode. The implication is that he spent 10 years after Mustafar doing nothing but resenting himself. It's so out of character, it's not what the George's (and Filoni's) Obi-Wan would actually do, he didn't grieve that much even after the death of his secondary other, and now we expect him to be some crying old man who's lost all hope, even though the end of Episode III tells us that he A. is looking out for Luke now and B. has the new task of trying to contact his old Master by using the Force. Oh and his surprised look at seeing Vader in the show is so lame, he knew perfectly well Anakin didn't die on Mustafar, Padme's last words were "There's STILL good in him", and now we're supposed to believe that Kenobi didn't know that, ffs, who wrote that shit, did they even watch Star Wars?
I really don't want to fricking watch Kenobi again, but I swear he already knew Anakin was Vader. And I figured they were just trying to (badly) connect it to episode 4 where we see old Ben depressed. Of course he'll make sure Luke is ok, but he's still was depressed he failed as a master. Frick now I don't even remember what the frick happened in that show . They really shoved in Leia and the black chick when it should've just been about depressed Obi and Vader. Frick man.
>By making him a spineless coward in the very first episode. The implication is that he spent 10 years after Mustafar doing nothing but resenting himself. It's so out of character, it's not what the George's (and Filoni's) Obi-Wan would actually do, he didn't grieve that much even after the death of his secondary other, and now we expect him to be some crying old man who's lost all hope
I very distinctly remember that the consensus around the appeal of the Kenobi show was it would basically be Star Wars Logan, like the Kenobi EU novel that came out in 2013. Why the frick wouldn't Obi-Wan be depressed and worn down after the events of Revenge of the Sith?
>Padme's last words were "There's STILL good in him", and now we're supposed to believe that Kenobi didn't know that, ffs, who wrote that shit, did they even watch Star Wars?
Tbf Obi-Wan and Yoda were telling Luke that he had to kill him in ROTJ despite his protests.
>the Kenobi EU novel that came out in 2013
The main story of that novel takes place almost immediately after the events of Episode III, not 10 years after them. And he doesn't lose his connection to the Force in the EU as he did in the TV series before and during his first fight with Vader.
>Why the frick wouldn't Obi-Wan be depressed and worn down after the events of Revenge of the Sith?
Because Jedi don't feel depressed, they feel "disturbance in the Force". Obi-Wan lost his Master, that didn't stop him from continuing his Jedi, uhm, career, he lost Satine, that didn't stop him, he lost many of his friends during the Clone Wars, he almost lost his close friend Quinlan Vos during the events of Dark Disciple, and that didn't stop him, and now that he has 2 extremely important tasks to do - protect young Luke from any outside threats and contact Qui-Gon through the Force, he's suddenly depressed and worn down? Really? That's not believable.
>Tbf Obi-Wan and Yoda were telling Luke that he had to kill him in ROTJ despite his protests.
It was Palpatine's mind trick, Obi-Wan and Yoda knew full well that killing Vader/Anakin would just push Luke to the Dark Side and make him Palp's new apprentice, and if he had killed Palp before killing Vader, that would have made him Vader's apprentice, and Palp had all his clones ready by then (yes, in EU and Disney canon both), so he was sure that he had cheated death by that time anyway. Obi-Wan and Yoda also knew that if Palp decided to kill Luke after Luke refused to turn to the Dark Side, Anakin would redeem himself (hence "there's still good in him") and kill both Palp and himself (or rather the Dark Side/Vader within himself).
>they mutilated his character
How so?
So who is going to fricking die?
I hope they all die beside Crosshair and Omega
Huntah and Crosshere
Hunter is most likely to die. I don't think they'll kill Echo. Crosshair may live because Ohmeega will need an actual competent caretaker and Wrecker is not it.
Echo will be the founder of Echo Base on Hoth. We will also retcon some extra from ESB into being him, maybe Lobot...
Everyone but Omega, Hunter will be the last one to fall. It's been obvious since the show started.
Maybe we'll see how Rex, Gregor and Wolffe retire together.
That would actually be insanely based if Crosshair isn't the one who ends up dying. Not just because he's objectively the best character, but the whole "bad guy character redeems themselves by dying at the end" shit is stale as frick.
I mean she's probably going to be the lone survivor and stuck somewhere isolated enough to keep her out of the way during the original trilogy and have an aged up version appear in the next season of the mandalorian or something.
reeee where's the rest of the delta squad
dead
No chance, Sev hanging out with Schrodinger's cat offscreen is one thing but killing Boss and Fixer offscreen is just a waste, either they show up this season or Scorch constantly standing around was pointless.
Anon, they could be in the very image you posted. They can (and do) alter footage for trailer purposes.
>They can (and do) alter footage for trailer purposes.
Not that anon but I'll believe it when I see it, I honestly feel like Scorch is here just to blueball Republic Commando fans and rake in views by having people constantly guessing whether or not Boss and Fixer (Maybe Sev too) will show up.
>(Maybe Sev too) will show up.
If Sev is alive you know well that they're going to make him join the rebellion despite his personality fitting the Imperial war criminal archetype top a tee.
Sev becoming a Rebel was considered as one of the main ideas for the Republic Commando sequel.
>Douville says two stories were sketched out for the sequel. In one treatment, put forth by lead level designer Kevin Schmitt, the player would take the unit through the execution of Order 66, hunting and killing Jedi as a team, one-by-one.
>The second was proposed by director Tim Longo. It had Sev, the sniper character (serial RC-1207), surviving to become the progenitor of the Rebellion's army. Douville mentioned the working tagline for such a game ("Every Rebellion begins with a single soldier") so it seems this version had a little more traction internally. LucasArts in the later half of that decade, though, was not a stable place, and "very few people involved with Republic Commando ended up staying on" with the studio, Douville said, one reason among many why the game was never realized.
https://www.polygon.com/2016/2/13/10985076/republic-commando-2-sequel-story-sev
Battlefront 2's campaign really was just lightning trapped in a jar then?
>Plans were in place for a sequel the game and ideas were being developed. Can you elaborate on what the next story would have entailed?
>There were two competing stories that were being pitched, one being developed by Tim Longo and one by lead level designer Kevin Schmitt. In one, you would have played the side story of Revenge of the Sith and carried out Order 66, hunting down Jedi as a team. In the other, Sev would have been the first man in the Rebellion army -- the tagline was something like, "Every Rebellion begins with a single soldier."
>Tim's plan would have had Sev start the Rebellion army, training a new generation of soldiers to fight the Empire: In my own imagining, I like to believe he'd go after his pod-brothers and counter-program them so they could fight the Empire together. I don't recall what Kevin Schmitt's would have entailed, but I like to imagine there would be a mission where you'd rescue him.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160212083436/https://www.cinelinx.com/game-news/item/8965-star-wars-republic-commando-developer-talks-sequel-plans-and-sev-s-fate.html
I still can't get over how they turned them into random silent goons
what did Filoni mean by this
They were always "silent" goons to the outsiders. Their comms happen in the helmet, which they can mute when talking to each other. Narratively, they are the antagonists, so of course they won't talk and chatter all the time. In case of Scorch specifically, he is not the jokester anymore, because:
1) He is separated from his squad, since all the commandos seem to be reassigned either to Mount Tantiss or to train/command Stromtroopers;
2) Sev is dead (or so he thinks) and he is bitter;
3) He is reassigned to the job that he hates.
Most of the commandos were always goons that were horrifically misused. More than half of the commandos died during the first battle of Geonosis. Darman's squad was wiped out by regular Geonosians in the caves. Delta Squad and later Omega Squad were the only OP squads, by virtue of them having protagonist plot armors. Scorch still remains the most competent commando on the show, which fits. But commandos are still the top of the top republic meat, which is why they were reassigned by Sheev personally to the single most important Imperial project (by his own admission, Mount Tantiss). They seem like goons because they go against Bad Batch, which are commandos but genetically enhanced, so they kinda have to job to them. But Scorch gave them a hard time.
Although I do hope they give us something on the rest of the Delta Squad and that Scorch will have some significant role in the story, and not just an easter egg for RC fans. Or maybe they will make a game soon or some other show after Bad Batch, or maybe I'm just coping.
That makes sense. So far their features just feel like rememberries, which is less than what I'd have expected from a guy as clone-enthusiastic as Filoni.
I believe Filoni is the only one who gives a shit about clone commandos in the entirety of Lucasfilm as of today. He is the reason they appeared in Clone Wars.
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But he couldn't find a way to insert them too much in the Clone Wars, and he didn't want to do it wrong, because they have so much EU baggage and George would inevitably change things. Bad Batch characters is actually George's take on the commandos. He talked about this a lot in 2012 when TCW Season 5 was coming out.
>Q: Are you going to introduce Delta Squad from the Republic Commando video game?
>Filoni: It’s really unlikely. The reason why is that they are such a specific group and when we seem to meddle with what people think is continuity in the Expanded Universe, it causes big uproar. Rather than bring those guys in, it would be more likely that we create our own group of Republic Commandos, if we did anything like that. I know Tim Longo, who did the game Republic Commando. He’s awesome – we talk all the time about his game. When we did the heads-up display in the recent episode with Gregor (‘Missing in Action’), I made sure it was the exact display from the game. It’s more out of respect for that creation that we don’t actually use those guys, even though I know a lot of fans would like it. But there are a whole bunch of those guys in reality.
>The idea for the "Bad Batch" arc came up from Star Wars creator George Lucas, who wanted to explore the idea that there were clones that were a little bit more unique from one another and who were like an enhanced skills special forces unit. While the arc began production in 2012 as part of the seventh season of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, the designs for every member of the Bad Batch had been finalized a year earlier.
But yeah, now it seems he is compensating for the lack of them in TCW, even if they're just there in the background.
It's funny how often people claim "Disney/Filoni/Whatever is ruining Lucas' vision for Star Wars!" when he was the one who come up with many of those ideas
Most Star Wars fans are dumb as shit, don't know even the slightest thing about Star Wars and how it was made, and they are extremely volatile and reactionary on top of that.
I mean, what can you expect from one of the most popular franchises for 12 year olds.
>The future of the Empire
So I'm guessing this season will set up the whole "somehow Palpatine returned" thing being due to all this cloning research.
Oh, no doubt about it. Didn't they already confirm that Exegol was already set up when the Empire was still in power?
Yes, in one of the Darth Vader comics set between Episode V and VI. How lucky for Sheev that Anakin never felt the need to warn Luke about Exegol.
In the comics he already has the fricking fleet of 10000 Star Destroyers being built by the time of between ESB and ROTJ and shows it all off to Vader to basically go "lmao what you really thought you could recruit your son and oppose me?"
And then Anakin apparently just NEVER TELLS ANYONE ABOUT THIS AFTERWARD. like no "Hey Ahsoka or Luke, Sidious isn't really dead and is building 1000s of Star Destroyers with Death Star lasers on this planet here, you should probably go do something about that".
need a good screenshot of ventress
unf
>they keep making her flatter and the hair is dumber than what it was
whatever, at least shes back
and is that her old lightsaber just yellow? its not her one from dark disciple
Asset repurposed for S7 Clone Wars Maul reforged double bladed lightsaber, please understand.
no look, in bad batch her lightsaber is curved
Anon... You can clearly see the lightsaber she's using on the cover of her novel is not curved, and it resembles the lightsaber that was grafted to Maul's.
for fricks sake anon
i know this, she also lost it in the same book
but look at her lightsaber in bad batch, the hilt is curved
At least give her the outfit that doesn't suck ass.
>twitter hair
Better than young Ventress's hair.
Too objectifying, sorry.
One more season without Echo’s prosthetic arm. Sure it makes Echo look unique if he just has a socket arm, but it looks a little awkward to me.
Why can't a character stay dead?
I miss when they would invent new characters. It's sort of how we got Ventress in the first place. They made new characters for new things. Filoni just wants the same 7 or so Clone Wars/Rebels characters to be the spotlight forever and ever and ever and ever.
I feel that ventress is the only one who "deserves" it, but its come at the back end of multiple characters being ressurrected/not dying so it just feels overused
she got done extremely dirty in dark disciple and is criminally underused (only appears in 14 episodes of TCW as a comparison) while having a unique take on the force as she is, genuinely, someone who tries to be in the middle because she just wants to live her life and got betrayed by both the jedi and the sith
Ventress was a discarded character from AotC.
>only appears in 14 episodes of TCW
What the frick? I thought she was present throughout the whole series.
she appears in
>S1 E1 ambush
>S1 rookies (cameo)
>S1 cloak of darkness
>S1 (maybe 2?) episode with the traitor clone
>S3 arc troopers
>nightsisters arc (3 episodes)
>massacre
>mauls return arc (3 episodes, 2 main roles, 1 cameo)
>2 of the ahsoka framed arc
>Ventress was a discarded character from A
She was repurposed concept art from AOTC. The GL idea was for multiple designs of Palpatine's next apprentice (who was going to be female) to follow in the steps of Maul before Lucas cast Christopher Lee and decided to make Dooku.
Ventress exists because Maul died.
and even then Dirge exists because Jango died. Cad Bane also exists because Jango died.
Ventress is just extra edgy Aurra Sing with a lightsaber
Ventress died in a book Filoni had no hand in so that means she still lives for his stuff
>I miss when they would invent new characters
Disney and storygroup can't be assed to make anything new and it be good.
>I miss when they would invent new characters.
Hollywood has been creatively bankrupt for decades, anon.
Filoni likes 3 things in his Star Wars and heavily relies on them when he does anything at all
>Ahsoka
>Blaster-proof giant animals
>No dead character stays dead
Clone Wars are never going to die, we will have to wait for Filoni to finally die before the narrative can move on. Until then it's Commander Cody and Ahsoka in every fricking thing for the next decade or three.
>Cody
You mean Captain Rex, you blithering neanderthal.
That's because Disney treated everyone fricking badly to the point that you need to ask yourself; who's left? The Skywalker family line is dead, the Jedi are dead (I'm assuming though that Ahsoka is actually making her own separate Jedi enclave that's not attached to Luke's new order tbh). The heroes from the OT are gone, The New Republic is dead.
Hardly anyone likes the new Sequel Trilogy characters, the First Order is dead except for some limping nu-imps who did luck out and survive.
TCW characters are about the only remaining part of SW that people like.
People liked Mandalorian until it turned into the Bo Katan show.
And Disney really fricked up Boba Fett beyond all repair
>could've expanded a new grown up Jedi Order again with tons of new interesting characters
>could've created a new Dark Side legion working for the Imperial Remnant consisting of all the abducted younglings that the Inquisitors went after
>could've gone forward with a new group of New Republic military characters showing off how they improved over the Old Republic when they encounter threats from Pirates, Imperial Remnant, and others
NOOOOO DESTROY IT ALL
but none of this is a rehash of the first movie which is what disney was trying to go for easy money
BRING HIM BACK!
Why'd they never fricking novelize the first Dark Forces?
>Why'd they never fricking novelize the first Dark Forces?
They did tho?
That's a prequel to the first game, and sets up plot developments for the second. The next one novelizes half of the second game, completely skipping the first one.
NO
LEAVE KYLE ALONE
DO NOT LET DISNEY TOUCH HIM WITH THEIR FILTHY AND CORRUPTING HANDS
New Jedi Order wouldn't even have been interesting. The Galaxy's full of disposable set-dressing, so why would we care about who polices it?
>Ahsoka
>Blaster-proof giant animals
>No dead character stays dead
You forgot Cad Bane. Filoni even put him in Rebels IIRC.
People always b***h about not having the balls to kill off characters but the Book of Boba Fett was inane puerile dogshit and I'd trade it all for Cad Bane back, even if he showed up in random shit.
He was already beaten by Fennec Shand (literally who super bland & boring character to promote the shitty Boba Fett show). Maybe he should have died in his duel with Boba in TCW as originally intended. To serve his purpose and rest. Then you can make all the stories you want with him before his death. Infinite number of them! Same goes for every character. But you know what they say: you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
>trade it all for Cad Bane back, even if he showed up in random shit
Umm sweaty, in the Mando and Grogu movie it would be revealed that in TBoBF it wasn't Cad Bane who died but his clone, the real Cad Bane is still alive and Boba Fett is actually dead and the "Boba Fett" we saw in Mando and TBoBF, was actually a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of Boba Fett, who was himself a clone of Jango Fett, who, surprise surprise, was a clone of Mandalore the Great, who was himself a clone of the first human Jedi, and so on.
Some novel getting retconned doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that I feel like Ventress is gonna be around for long and will appear in Ashoka show as well
Wouldn't surprise me, and like with other later additions they'll come up with some bullshit excuse as to why she never got involved in the events of the Original Trilogy.
honestly Ventress is a lot easier to explain on that one than someone like Ahsoka: She just doesn't want to get involved in that kind of large scale conflict anymore and doesn't see herself as part of it.
>Ahsoka season 2 starts production
>two weeks later Ventress shows up in The Bad Batch trailer
Dave is going to force her into Ahsoka's show, isn't he? I just know it.
ahsoka s2 will literally never happen
It's already been announced tho...
no it hasnt
Lucasfilm literally confirmed it this month, anon.
So from the press release for the season they make note DD is still canon.
So Ventress did die (or at least appeared to).. but was somehow resurrected.
Hype, unironically. Ventress is great, and the show, while not perfect, has had some great eps and is in the best era of SW for stories (between 3 and 4).
FRICK YOU DAVID IT'S BEEN OVER TEN YEARS WHEN ARE YOU FRICKING TELLING US WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO HER
Fricking this. Still shocked that she wasn't Marrok
I liked that Marrok just ended up being some rando reanimated corpse though. Was funny for everyone to go nuts because MASKED CHARACTER MUST BE IMPORTANT and do crazy theories only for "lol no".
executed
That would be pretty moronic, given what a natural fit she is for the Inquisitorious program
ventress has her lightsaber back
maybe ventress executed barriss
I'm still betting Barriss will show up in Ahsoka as a sith
raped for life in a Nar Shadaar slave ring
How the frick did this garbage TV series get more popular than the actual movies?
Bad batches isn't that popular though
Actual movies turned into worse garbage than anything they made for tv
Will we get another "Crosshair episode = best episode" now that he is with the brat? unless they get isolated
Probably. I really look forward to seeing Crosshair's reaction to the news that Tech is fricking dead.
I really just want to see what Lop would look like animated in the Clone Wars art style. Have her show up for like 3 minutes in one episode, that's all I fricking ask.
who the frick is wearing Crosshair's S1 outfit?
could it be Sev?
I think its Echo unless Crosshair makes a swift return to his bros early in the season.
Who says that's early season?
I feel like the rescue of Omega/Crosshair from Tantiss isn’t going to be prolonged until the end of the season. If Filoni’s resume shows, it won’t take for a reunion of Bad Batch to happen.
I'm thinking the rescue would be half season thing, especially judding by a chapter called "the return" (I think it's mid season) which I hope, I REALLY hope, it has nothing to do with Tech being alive.
They are already bringing Ventress back from the dead, don't do it with Tech to.
It has been a while since I watched the show but I remember season 2 implying there will be a clone rebellion or something like that
>Sev
Didn't consider that to be honest, my assumption was that Crosshair somehow busts himself out, goes back to Hunter and co, they then formulate a plan to rescue Omega.
Yes, it seems they will escape. But Omega here has short hair when they escape. But then there are shot of her at Tantiss again with longer hair. Either she cuts her hair before escaping or she gets captured again.
>Sheev: “This is important for the future of the Empire”
>Ventress returns even though she’s supposed to be dead
>Empire scientists have literally been scowering Clone knowledge from the Kaminoans and trying to get Omega the last couple of seasons
It should be painfully obvious this is building up towards them using the show to explain how Palps was cloned for Episode 9
Which honestly fricking sucks that they have to use a show and waste away its potential just because they have to explain the frickups of the Sequels.
You're forgetting the whole zillo beast plot
TCW, Rebels and even Bad Batch are kiddy shows. They’re not written for All Ages, they’re very much for children. Characters aren’t characters but they’re archetypes. The same type of thing you’d see in a Saturday morning cartoon. There’s no nuance, no actual mature storytelling.
Does it has to be a "grIttY DaRk sHoW" to be enjoyable?
characters have to give 5 minutes monologues and look into the camera every time, and talk like they're in a novel
>vote blue
Andor is giga kino though
What was the line he's talking about? "Power doesn't panic"?
"never more than 12"
Omega is gonna be hot now and only be in that one setting for the whole season.
Shit sucks man.
Frick I hate that I always like this niche shows that no one watches so I can't never get any fricking official merch.
>Ultimately, Ventress sacrificed herself to save Quinlan’s life, taking the brunt of Dooku’s Force lightning during their final confrontation. But that wasn’t the end of Asajj’s story…
Looks like its actually her
I've waited nearly 9 years for this, I can't believe something from star wars actually made me happy
REDMOA!
You know what to do
If someone has made a good 3d ventress model like the tons of ahsokas right now
I wonder if they will try to shove Omega into some live action show after this
There is zero chance Cody survives right? What do you guys think happens to him? The fact that he wasn't with Rex and Echo's squad has me concerned that he may have been nabbed by the Empire. Could be interesting if he had his mind wiped into one of those assassin clones.
Cody will never appear again in case they want to use him in the Obi-Wan season 2.
On a related note: Is Shak Ti dead?
Shak Ti is like a choose your own adventure book. It's up to you to decide if and how she died.
Yes.
Only if you want her to be. The best canon is head canon.
Somehow, Dooku returned
He got his head cut off
Palpatine was literally vaporized
>He got his head cut off
Maul had his entire lower body sliced off, which didn't stop him from coming back, then he was killed by Obi-Wan in Rebels, and then he was back in Solo and will probably be one of the main baddies in the new Rey trilogy. And with this World Between Worlds bullshit, no one is really dying anymore, so I don't see why Dooku can't come back, if Tarkin, young Leia and 30-something Luke can be CGI'd into new movies and shows, it would be even easier with Christopher Lee, considering there are a lot more photos and videos of him from the 2000s and 2010s than there are of Cushing, Fisher and Hamill from the 1980s.
If you can't see how decapitation is different from bisection AND you can't comprehend that Maul appearing in an earlier part of the timeline than his death isn't a resurrection then I really don't know what to tell you
>If you can't see how decapitation is different from bisection
It's science fantasy, man, people here survive after being torn into millions of pieces, do you really think a powerful Sith like Count Dooku wouldn't find a way to glue his head and body together using the Force?
>you can't comprehend that Maul appearing in an earlier part of the timeline than his death
Yep, I have to admit I forgot that Solo takes place before the events of Rebels, but there are still rumors of Maul's return in the future movies, you know.
Oh, and don't forget that Taika Waititi wanted Padme back in his Star Wars movie, he even offered Natalie Portman to portray her again, so like I said, no one can be dead in the Star Wars anymore, and it's actually Lucas' fault.
Either Echo comes back or have them all die. I guess Crosshair could be the sole survivor continuing his lone wolf luck though. But still if Echo is the only one that died, feels cheap. Like they just threw darts at their pictures.
>Either Echo comes back
You mean Tech? Echo is back, not that the trailer acknowledged his existence. I agree with having Crosshair being the only survivor though, leaving him to raise Omega would be a very satisfying conclusion to his character arc. He is already by far the most interesting member of the squad, having the survivors guilt of being the last one standing would be the cherry on top of his suffering.
>having the survivors guilt of being the last one standing would be the cherry on top of his suffering.
C'mon dude, let the man have some happiness.
No
Interrupt his lunches for the rest of his life too
He gave Kanan ptsd and trust issues, and for that I will never forgive him.
SOMEHOW TECH RETURNED
Tbqh I like that Asajj is back, I hope it's not just some Nightsisters' old zombie voodoo trick to have her show up for 5 minutes as a gimmick and then perish again after defeat. I thought Filoni & co were going to use her in the Tales of the Jedi, maybe give her the proper Dark Disciple arc there if it didn't happen in TCW S6 and S7, but her resurrection may be good too. And I also hope they have something to do after Bad Batch ends because I love that late TCW art style so much, I honestly don't understand why they didn't use it in Rebels, that show would have been so much more watchable if it didn't use that ugly style, just look at it.
>And I also hope they have something to do after Bad Batch ends because I love that late TCW art style so much
I'm crossing my fingers they will finally do a TCW style cartoon with the OT characters. The only thing we ever got with them was the Boba Fett cartoon in the christmas special. Just an anthology of adventures they got into between episodes 4 and 6. The potential for greatness is high, specially if they pretend the sequels don't exist.
Kek, with the mismatching halves, Tarkin looks like Snoke.
Omega will be the first Force-wielding clone, that's the real reason why she's so important and why the Empire and Palpatine need her so much.
Oh, and it's also the main reason why Asajj agrees to help the Bad Batch with Omega's extraction after their fight, because she kinda sees Omega as her young self and doesn't want her to get manipulated by the Sith the same way they manipulated Asajj. This will be her fourth and final step on the path back to the Light side, the first three being helping Kenobi fight Maul and Savage, helping Ahsoka on Coruscant and saving Vos from Dooku.
>This will be her fourth and final step on the path back to the Light side, the first three being helping Kenobi fight Maul and Savage, helping Ahsoka on Coruscant and saving Vos from Dooku.
*Fifth, not fourth. She also saved a girl during her first mission as a bounty hunter with Boba and his crew. Funny how she only helps teenage girls running away from trouble and adult Jedi who get sexually aroused at the sight of her.
Btw, Wookiepedia already removed the date of death from her page and made her a bit older than she was before, she was supposed to be in her early 20s during the Clone Wars, almost the same age as Anakin, and now she'll be 31 by the end of it.
>she was supposed to be in her early 20s during the Clone Wars, almost the same age as Anakin, and now she'll be 31 by the end of it.
as far as I could tell, the only source for her age was in a lego star wars book, dating it to be 47bby, making her 25-28 in TCW
it remained like this for ages until an actual book came along and dated it for 50bby, making her 28-31
and well, i dont know why wookieepedia removed it because she did still "die", shes just somehow returned
>as far as I could tell, the only source for her age was in a lego star wars book, dating it to be 47bby, making her 25-28 in TCW
Well, in EU aka Legends she was 20 to 24 years old by the time the Clone Wars ended, and it makes more sense because Dooku himself refers to her as "my young apprentice" just a few episodes before he betrays her, and you're not supposed to call your 30 year old apprentice "young" even if you're in your 80s yourself. And it always seemed to me that the age gap between her and Anakin was smaller than between her and Obi-Wan. Perhaps they decided to make her "older" during the making of the Dark Disciple because Quinlan Vos is about the same age as Obi-Wan, and making Asajj too young would have been problematic for the romantic side of that story.
>dooku is 80
>ventress is in her late 20s
how much game does dooku have?
hes pulling a bad b***h thats a 3rd of his age and hes convinced palpatine to let him keep her
>how much game
when you are considered one of the wealthiest individuals in the entire galaxy, the universe is your oyster
>Pronouns
A nuclear option is always the way, and i hope these homosexuals gets dragged to die in some shithole soon.
wookieepedia has always been opinionated by the people who run it, because it has a monopoly on a star wars wiki and is "endorsed" by lucasfilm
use the databank if you can, its official rather than being something fan made
>ventress raising omega as a daughter
best outcome, if the show ended like this it'd be a great ending
>Let me tell you the story of a man named Kenobi
Was Omega a mistake?
Reva sucks Ventress dick!
I'd love to see Ventress kick an inquisitors ass