>the bad guy shall be called... the "dark lord"
>and his fortress shall be... mount DOOM
people praised this?
>the bad guy shall be called...
>the bad guy shall be called... the "dark lord"
>and his fortress shall be... mount DOOM
people praised this?
well you see, when the orcs dug a series of tunnels that eventually flooded the inactive volcano it kind of DOOMED them
lmao
I mean of course if you're a jaded butthole you'd be unable to enjoy anything.
No, you colossal fricking moron, only someone with an IQ that matches Tiger Woods average score would find that enjoyable. A respectable person would roll their eyes and refuse to watch something so half baked and made by a moron
>NOOOOOOOO!!!! THE BAD GUY SHOULDN'T REFLECT EVIL
>HE MUST HAVE A SYMPATHETIC BACKSTORY ABOUT LE HECKIN DEPRESSION AND CHILDHOOD TRAUMA!!!!
REEEEEEEE
Why do zoomer gays love the morally Grey back story all the time?
Because "he's evil just because he is" is boring and uncomplicated. Which shouldn't be that surprising for a series of children's books.
Are you too moronic to understand the movie in front of you beyond the colorful images?
Do some reading on Tolkien or find a analysis of his work.
>Do some reading on Tolkien or find a analysis of his work
I understand Tolkien. He created an influential genre of fiction with his children's stories, but they're rife with religious and Luddite allegory because of his Bible thumping ways. If you enjoy it that's fine, but conflict between absolute/innate good and absolute evil doesn't seem challenging or interesting in any way to me.
>but they're rife with religious and Luddite allegory because of his Bible thumping ways.
I hate Americans so fricking much
If you don't like it then frick off, never talk about it, Bring it up & spread your fricking bullshit on something that is world renown as a classic. No one, I mean NO ONE fricking wants to hear what you have to say. This video is for YOU https://youtu.be/KRB-iHGHSqk
>ahhh don't criticize something I Iike on the film discussion board save me tolkienman
>uncomplicated
I think I'm starting to fall for him.
It's funny because if you read Silmarillion you'd see that Sauron does have a backstory. Although it's too much to ask for amerimutts to read I suppose.
>Sauron does have a backstory
And people that watch/read LOTR are supposed to be familiar with this backstory... how?
If you don't like LOTR just ignore it? Nobody's forcing you to read Silmarillion.
Says the zoombie who watched all the Marvel movies, tv shows, tv movies and played the games.
>H-how can I get that backstory from a book series if I don't read the books in the book series?
Fricking zoombie fricking shit.
>And people that watch/read LOTR are supposed to be familiar with this backstory... how?
By me tying you to a chair and forcing you to read Silmarillion at gunpoint.
>that Sauron does have a backstory
That doesn't mean that LOTR doesn't have innately good and evil characters
American website. Mind your manners while you're visiting, tradcuck.
You don't have to be a tradgay or even Christian to find your dismissal of Tolkien as a crotchety Luddite moronic.
From my experience the people who find the absolute good vs absolute evil narrative compelling are religious morons. You can tell me you're not, but I won't believe you.
Tolkien's works are refreshing in a modern media landscape of (often poorly written) grey morality. They have merit by offering variety alone, never mind how intricate and well written his works are (to the point where fans agree to affectionately label him as an autist). I grew up with the movies as a kid but as an adult I appreciate the canon as a whole without being religious myself.
His works are missing the obnoxious element of religion, namely the authoritative "thou must do this or suffer" tone that is baked into actual religious texts. Sure, he has moral stances and views of the world but his focus is still very much just telling a story, one coloured by his religiousness sure, by a story nonetheless. It never felt like a sermon to me.
How is it black and white though? Denethor, Gollum and Saruman were written as characters still capable of redemption l, even Sauron was before he made the ring and fully corrupted himself with Morgoth’s nihilism.
You stop believing in there being a grey area between good and evil after so many second chances.
Speak for yourself
Bet you are a junkie Black person
>amerimutts AMERIMUTTS
you sound fricking pathetic. screaming daily how much you hate america, while speaking writing and reading english perfectly? being obsessed with our media, news and music? you come to an american website and complain how bad americans are and how much you can prove their stupidity while your country isnt even famous for anything outside of being useless Black personlovers and cowards. please show me on the mercator map where the land masss hurt you, you sniveling little rat. kys in your own language homosexual
>wojacks
moron
>random troony wojack
go back
>being obsessed with our media
>he says in a Tolkien thread
>bloody bastard b***h benchod
is this a nigel website all the sudden? get a grip
go back to where? again make your own website you useless paki fricker before you ever even look my direction homosexual
>paki troony *incomprehensible meme nonsense*
this is a lord of the rings thread.
butthurt ameritard loves to dish it out but can't handle a little banter lmao
seethe Black person
>oi oi oi
you just gonna samegay all day? why not create your own website? no americans aloud... youd be free. oh you like being a whiny homosexual. you ever gonna TRY to make a point? or just pretend your other people when called out?
>aloud
You might not even be American yourself ESL
It's the other way around, broccoli head.
Millennial writers don't have the creativity and skills to write proper evil characters without going full Dick Dasterdly and think putting a sad and hidden backstory about generational trauma and depression make the villain more compelling. Whereas in reality it has the opposite effect
>evil" isn't real
why not?
>It's the other way around, broccoli head.
I'm not the Gen X homosexual still hung up on children's media from the 1940s. You're like one of those liberal Harry Potter women.
>I'm not the Gen X homosexual still hung up on children's media from the 1940s. You're like one of those liberal Harry Potter women.
No you're a disgusting broccoli head who thinks the villain having a mushy back story is deep and compelling
You think cloakshit is compelling lmao. It's like Marvelshit but with magic swords and monsters instead of aliens and guns kek
>if I suffix 'shit' to the end of words I win
>I am intellectually superior
cool postshit bro
>good n evil cannot exist
>why?
>b-because I said so. o-ok?!!
>tips fedora faster
>"good" n "evil" exist
>why?
>because my collection of ancient Canaanite mythologies says so, and the virgin with the 4 year theology degree confirms it when I go to church on Christmas and Easter with my mom
Lel. The fedora tipper is seething hard.
> I go to church on Christmas and Easter with my mom
Sure beats living in your mom's basement and tipping fedoras with your fellow euphoric predditors.
Christcucks can't parse any event or narrative that doesn't have a black and white good/evil binary. They're mentally stunted and cannot understand nuance.
Fedora tipping morons mandatorily require a tragic backstory and morally grey characters because they cannot fathom that evil characters exist.
>evil is real n sheeit!
>da greatest trick da devil pulled was convincing people he's not real!
Enjoy your children's story books, Pedro.
I don’t know, but gays on this board also seem to love 'it was all in their head' style fan theories, which is equally cringe.
A lot of people confuse "sympathetic but objectively wrong" with, "Actshually I'm the good guy and society's evil you can't refute my logic."
>Aw, he's sad about his wife, he's right to murder hundreds of people to get to the one guy who actually hurt him."
Is it a possibility because zoomers are so spiritually out of tune?
They want to be able to jerk off to troony porn one second but also be the good guy int he video game the next second.
this but unironically "evil" isn't real
Of course not goyim. All things are shades of grey that are pointless to die for.
Sit, eat, and watch the new thing we just put out for you.
this but unironically again please debunk instead of doing your npc "le israelites" dialogue
Of course, goyim. You are right goyim. Nothing to be had but momentary pleasures that we will provide.
For a fee.
And your obedience.
Sauron does have sympathetic back story. He became the devils right hand man because the other angels were incompetent, slow and didn’t place adequate value on the world. He used Morgoth for Morgoth’s force of will and ability to execute change.
Classic good vs evil trope, I think lotr was peak for it due to its time. I am not a fan of it, but a lot of media now its like said. Which also becomes tiring and if not done right its arguable worse.
>Bad guy named light lord
>Evil fortress called Hope mountain
kino
Oy vey, stop that. We trademarked that already, you schmuck.
This is why Morgoth is cooler.
>Melkor is Quenya for "He who arises in Might"
>Thangorodrim is Sindarin for "Mountains of Tyranny"
Like, it's OK to watch television isn't it.
Don't need buttcoin to do that
Doom means fate btw
>short character's catchphrase is "gimme a lift!"
>his name is "gimm-lee"
This fricking Tolkien guy
>I shall consult against Sauron from my trusted friend: Sauronman!
They were all students of Aule. Basically if you were an Angel of craftsmanship you were going to go evil. Even a bunch of the dwarves went evil.
Isn't there a whole backstory and explanation for why he's evil in the Silmarilion?
yes he gets abandonment issues when his daddy morgoth gets buck broken by the valar
he had sex with a spider
>doom means evil
moron
it was original at the time. Never done before
>already ate breakfast
>wants to eat again
>calls it second breakfast
how original...
Moral ambiguity is peak midwit writing.
The names were given by the people. He doesn't go around calling himself Dark Lord and Doom isn't the actual name of the place, it's what it's been called by the people.
It fits.
>and his even more evil boss is called.... MORE GOTH
>Troon of a Took! Commit suicide next time and rid us of your stupidity
and gandalf is supposed to be a good guy?
Imagine having such terminally burnt-out dopamine receptors that you can't even enjoy a story without coming up with Nostalgia Critic tier snarky remarks.
Of course a person with no morals wouldn't enjoy a moralistic parable.
>Tells a good story without resorting to rape, incest, infidelity or cuckoldry
How did he do it???
>rape
Eol and Aredhel
>incest
Turin Turambar
>infidelity or cuckoldry
Maeglin
The post of someone who doesn't read Tolkien, lmao.
The comment he made about Chronicles of Narnia was that Susan would have gotten raped by the Satyr when they first met.
>Susan
Lucy
>Satyr
Faun
Sorry, man, I'm not a Narnia expert.
>expert
You're not even a Narnia novice, no offense.
he didnt say that it would have made for a better story, he was sperging out about lewis using mythology wrong. based, but also hypocritical when you see what he did with elves
>rape, incest, infidelity or cuckoldry
Bro has NEVER read Silmarillion.
Yeah it’s kino
Anon it's from a children's book. It's just children had an attention span and could read when it was written.
"Mount Doom" is just a nickname adopted for Orodruin after Sauron turned it into his ringmaking workshop. It's not the actual name of anything. That's like saying the dwarves named their kingdom the "Desolation of Smaug".
Orodruin translates to "Mountain of Fate". Doom is the second name derived from that, in the old sense of Doom as Fate.
So it's just wordplay. Doesn't mean Sauron cackled to himself and ordered his assistant to spread the word that henceforth it shall be known as Mount DOOM.
most names of places are named after simple things to do with them, most rivers in america are just named river in the language of whatever tribe lived near it
>Mount Doom
KINO
>Sauron enjoys murder
>lives in the land of Murdor
BRAVO TOLKIEN
orcs=black people
Chinks, actually.
I thought it was eastern euros
his fortress is Barad Durrr.
you are dumb. you are the reason Tolkien had to translate his book from the original elvish into English.
you get to do that when you invent it all
Why is the amerimutt so mad all of a sudden?
>im seething, please be nice now
lol figured you wouldnt be up for banter since everyone knows the bobbies show up and arrest you for wrong think against the UKs saviors and not smelling like a streetturd
>random /misc/ images
thats not banter
you havent had one retort or counterpoint to anything ive wrote so far besides adhom, pilpul and "hey look over here" level distractions... we are all waiting on you mr poofter
Learn to actually try before expecting a retort. I don’t bark back at dogs.
youre the biggest homosexual ive ever encountered here. hope you only think about this on your death bed. pathetic loudmouth. RIP nigel and nigel adjacents
>can’t type right
>can’t spell right
>just spams /misc/ memes
The best and brightest
still no clapback ? absolutely emberrassing. did mum help you with your daily prayers instead?
>clapback
sad. anyway heres a webm, one for all you Black folk
see i knew that fricking cat video was AI generated but you frickers kept saying it was real
its real. the meme is that he put the openai logo on top of it
the kids dancing along with the cat was stabilized by AI. the cat was always real. they ended up in jail for animal endangerment
>picrel
another real occurence but made to look better with AI
I have no idea about anything you just said, schizo
>lord of the werewolves
>no werewolves
he sits at the top of Baradur gooning to images of Galadriel in his palantir. It's obvious his heart wasn't in it anymore
We didn't know better back then. We lacked media awareness skills.
Why are Tolkien threads so shit now? I remember these used to be full of lorebros discussing Noldors and Valar and whatever. Now it's just midwit shitflinging
> A respectable person
Funny way to say "pseudointellectual redditor"
God the trilogy armor design was incredible.
I actually preferred the chain mail style of gondor in the 1978 animation as opposed to plate mail and pointy helms