Based bro, hopefully we can have a good thread it's been about 2ish months now. I hope we get some greens like always.
Man, I really wish there was more art of this version of Ivy (and I don't mean all the housebroken stuff that the one draw-anon does for these threads)
Wow! I feel so attacked, what I do? But yeah sadly she doesn't have a lot but I feel she's definitely the most unique and interesting Ivy as her potential to the lore and world. Most Ivy's designs are a bit generic and don't hit as hard as this one. Especially comics designs that tend to just be naked plant girl long red hair not bad but idk this one always stuck with me same with arkham Ivy.
I tried my best dammit*runs away crying*, but I get it not bad we need to make a mega/folder of stuff seeing as their is so little and it's hard to search it all. I did a few digital drawings but yeah I'm not anywhere near that good.
I had a small idea brewing an idea for how this whole thing started as Barbara is secretly equally broken
Idk ruins the whole domme and brat correction/b***h tamer vibe. But I kind of want to know more
No. But Ivy could fix Cassandra
Cass is babs too anon
>Barbara fixes Ivy via breaking her down and building her back up >Ivy tries to repay the favor with Cassandra >Cassandra decides to go find her own villain to break
The cycle continues
Sounds like a fun cycle, but they are all Babs b***hes. Now this reminds me I wanted to try drawing some of that Cass bondage stuff but with Babs domming Ivy and Cass.
>”hey Barbie, what’s wrong?” >Barbara woke up in a cold sweat upon hearing that voice in her dreams, the sickly slimy feeling still clinging to the edges of her mind. >a philosophical zombie, at least in an emotional sense, that’s what the officers had called him when they took him away. When they took away the parasite who stole the lives of her friends. >leaning over on her pillow now, Barbara looked over to the left, seeing Pamela sleeping peacefully by her side. The former villainess reduced to an adorable messy haired dork in her unconscious state. >slowly, Barbara found her hand snaking up into the long red locks of her best friend, slowly stroking her scalp as she allowed a sad smile to form along her face >”never again” Barbara whispered to herself. Never again would she allow another friend to fall into a life of crime and murder. >she could fix Pam. She could keep her obedient and controlled and make sure that she never hurt a fly. she could ensure that her brother would be the last
Ah well now this is just depressing plus I hope you don't bring the bro in we need to keep it toxic yuri lol
But yeah interesting start to the green so far, I assume you are the inkanon/americachavez anon? Feels like his type of subversive character study type of green
4 months ago
Anonymous
I wouldn’t really call myself fully subversive since I like to put the subversion at the start then play it straight but yeah.
I wondered why Barbara would logically do all of this and realized it’s a twisted way to try and save her friend from turning out like her brother. also I don’t think I’m the type who would bring him in
4 months ago
Anonymous
Ha I knew it was you lol, but yeah I suppose it's like the Roxy thread. We always see it in two different ways. I think it's a interesting way though and can play on why she'd go full domme and breaking her down more aggressively and possessively. She wanted to just bring her friend back from the brink but then realized breaking her down and making it so she can never do this again is the better option.
"Better she be a broken submissive slave/pet than her hurting anyone". Gives off that preemptive punishment mindset
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah and to be fair it makes sense that Batman could cause a person to develop that kind of thought process.
In a way Barbara is kind of the other side’s version of lock up. Deciding to preemptively redeem potential villains rather than track people down and lock them in a personal prison image Batgirl and Lockup coming to an agreement
4 months ago
Anonymous
It fits sadly as we know that Babs in some runs has a bit more of a authoritarian mentality, before it became more of Jason todd's thing. It was because her dad is a cop so she sometime was used to show a more law and order side but in a warped way. Also she originally was more of a older woman detective type so that worked it's way in now. But really the idea works well even with modern bab's seeing as she basically raises and controls both the other batgirls. She is a known genius and psychoanalysist who keeps track of some villians in gotham. Even at one point working in Arkham to figure out how close some were to redemption or breaking out again.
I see her seeing all this and deciding to go full I'll fix them all with the added benefit of making a harem. They'd stand no chance to her top tier manipulation and gaslighting even Cass was manipulated by her and she was emotionless assassin at the time.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I could definitely see that happening and I like the idea of Barbara justifying her every action >Pamela is clearly unwell so she needs a strong hand to teach her right from wrong >now that Pamela has been broken down she clearly needs constant supervision >with Pam so helpless, obedient and loving it would be cruel not to love her back. Of course I can date her. >Cass and Steph both have villainous parents, perhaps they need more nurture to cover the nature >as lesser Bargirls it is only natural that I command them, especially given their personalities >Supergirl is probably fine, but absolute power does corrupt absolutely >Supergirl is dumb, doing her thinking for her is basically doing her a favor
And then Superman asks Wonder Woman to have a talk with Batgirl which only makes her worse due to how Diana feels about her actions
4 months ago
Anonymous
Oh you were the one that was pro the super harem. Wasn't the joke that Diane was her teacher lol. But yeah sounds about right I wonder how batgirl would react to e-girl ivy from SSKTJL
Also yeah I liked the idea that it becomes easier for Babs with experience and the fact she has Ivy's brainwashing spores/kisses to help her. I alway love the idea of characters rationalizing their bs, it shows they aren't malicious persay just obsessive or foolish. If you want to go dark which who are we kidding you do lol, could also add in that old mentality that only people into bdsm and sadism and into same sex are those that have childhood trauma. Insert the fact bab's mother was killed and in some canon right in front of her. So now she loves girls and wants to have control because she didn't as a kid to save her mom and also maybe takes on the mother role to a degree herself.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Personally I like whatever serves the characters best, but I absolutely agree.
Personally I see Diana trying to explain the Amazon idea if loving submission and Barbara corrupts it into her mind that said loving submission must become mandatory.
She then frames her group of half brainwashed followers as a team to get JL support and is basically given free rein as the leader. Becoming a dark parallel to the Teen Titans as this College age team enforces total control over all members, with Ivy being second in command and the other Batgirls eventually accepting their roles as lieutenants.
Supergirl might rebel eventually though
4 months ago
Anonymous
Based bro. The idea of Diane talking about submission is hilarious especially if it got corrupted into lesbian sex slavery because of the og creators thing lol
Not much she could do after mind control and gaslighting and manipulation. Tends to break a person but the idea of Batgirl Gestapo is insane bro she's really made a Super heroine Lesbian SS. I find it quite insane you really go for the in for a penny in for a pound mentality don't ya
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. I can see Kara entering Barbara’s base, expecting to find a normal super team, only to see a lush flowery environment with everyone present wearing a Batgirl costume
>Kara: frick, this is a cult isn’t it. >Barbara: no, this is a home of redemption and peace where we teach people how to be better >Pamela: Barbara teaches bed girls how to be good >Kara: that sounds like a super cult. Why is everyone dressed like Batgirl >Barbara: because dressing the same promotes friendship and unity of thought >Kara: ok, and why are some of them kissing >Pamela: that’s because they’re soulmates. “giggle” don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll find your soulmate too. >Kara stares forward as Pam gives Barbara a peck on the cheek >Kara: yep this is definitely a cult
4 months ago
Anonymous
How sad Kara had to go in the box on her first day. that was strangely her size and coated with led and kryptonite[/ spoiler] I did just love how it sounded more and more like a cult with time but you were forgetting the fact the leader superseding all soul mates or the fact they all are bab's woman/wives. I feel she'd let them wear unique outfits but they'd be changed to have a Batgirl emblem or tattoo somewhere on their bodies. Also adding in elements of bab's outfit into their own. [spoiler] by the way I'm gonna be gone for a sec, if you have the screenshots of the past greens could you post em bro if not ill do it later i just do it so people can have context[/spoiler]
4 months ago
Anonymous
I do not have the screenshots, sorry. I’d post them if I did, but it’s fine
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah probably. Also we shouldn’t forget that Barbara is still genuinely trying to help each and every one of them.
She just has an… odd way of doing it
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but she could also gaslight herself by saying well I deserve to be respected and worshipped I'm such a good person lol. I also assume she breaks them similar to ivy so they'd be co dependent anyway.
I do not have the screenshots, sorry. I’d post them if I did, but it’s fine
It's cool bro I'll do it later
4 months ago
Anonymous
That’s what soulmates are for.
She knows it would be cruel to leave such codependent people alone so she makes sure to break and rebuild two compatible girls so they can watch each other. Because she’s such a good person
4 months ago
Anonymous
But I was referring more to how cult leaders bang everyone as some type of sex god. Also wasn't the whole point this is some massive Lezdom clusterfrick?
Agreed, especially jusy regular redemption stuff. I think it could be cool
Not a bad idea anon, I feel everyone has a different idea for it. You're just hearing inks, but i do draw whatever I found hottest.
Say whatever you will, this ship is still leagues above the entire Harley and Ivy ship
Yes and No harley x Ivy is just over saturated and also is notoriously boring asf now. Remember in the Dini and Timm days it was fun because they got to still be characters. It's like the thread someone made not to long ago about "how does Cinemaphile or fans make better lesbian dynamics and content then modern shows". The whole thing is they try to make Lgbt ships perfect or wholesome but it's the lame unfun kind, so one literally just becomes the others gf or bf and loses all character or motivation outside of fricking the mc. It's why Ivy sucks so much now because harley is a hero so Ivy is basically just there as she can't be dating a villian.
Thanks for that. I was wondering where they were
No prob I just remember I had em, and grabbed the tbhs via my album link.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I thought the whole point of this was to showcase Barbara’s need for control over everything around her
4 months ago
Anonymous
I guess I lost track of it anon, really it was your idea you were the one that kept mentioning a cult. I was just bringing up the harem idea that I assumed you created lol.
Yeah exactly. All ship dynamics should have a push and pull to them, even if they have one person who is more dominant than the other.
Here, despite being timid, I think Ivy is probably still really radical in an environmental sense and has to constantly be held back from causing massive damage
Yeah that was one of the original ideas, that Babs calls out how Ivy is kind of dumb. She could literally reforest deserts but instead she fights and starts wars and outbreaks in a random city. So you are right it could definitely work. I think it's also the fact Ivy at times with Harley becomes a nothing burger character like in the show, I can't tell you anything about Ivy besides she's your typical lesbian sounds and looks like vaggie from hazbin hotel and cheated on kiteman.
I do now like the idea of playing with Ivy trying to still be environmental but babs shooting it down or holding back her more insane ideas and telling her to do healthier methods.
No. If Cass were there'd she'd scare Ivy so bad she'd go straight. She'd also solo Bruce's rogues gallery before dinner.
Cass would definitely beat Ivy's ass, but let's not forget who is the real alpha batgirl anon
4 months ago
Anonymous
I like to imagine Ivy still has a bit of her attitude as a seductress in her so she’s constantly trying to get Barbara on to her side and to let her do what she wants even though it rarely works.
Even in their domestic life I think Pamela would be a bit like a cat. Still timid and completely loyal to Barbara due to being broken down and rebuilt as the perfect obedient girlfriend, but also retaining her old traits. She would try to manipulate Barbara, but the motivation has changed and now she’s just trying to get her to show her more affection. So trapped that even when given control she never once tries for freedom
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah exactly. All ship dynamics should have a push and pull to them, even if they have one person who is more dominant than the other.
Here, despite being timid, I think Ivy is probably still really radical in an environmental sense and has to constantly be held back from causing massive damage
4 months ago
Anonymous
Actually I think soulmates are because Ivy is insecure. >Ivy finds out Babs is collecting more girls >use’s pheromones to implant the idea that the harem should be part time because Ivy is her true love >also puts in the idea of getting married
>”hey Barbie, what’s wrong?” >Barbara woke up in a cold sweat upon hearing that voice in her dreams, the sickly slimy feeling still clinging to the edges of her mind. >a philosophical zombie, at least in an emotional sense, that’s what the officers had called him when they took him away. When they took away the parasite who stole the lives of her friends. >leaning over on her pillow now, Barbara looked over to the left, seeing Pamela sleeping peacefully by her side. The former villainess reduced to an adorable messy haired dork in her unconscious state. >slowly, Barbara found her hand snaking up into the long red locks of her best friend, slowly stroking her scalp as she allowed a sad smile to form along her face >”never again” Barbara whispered to herself. Never again would she allow another friend to fall into a life of crime and murder. >she could fix Pam. She could keep her obedient and controlled and make sure that she never hurt a fly. she could ensure that her brother would be the last
Man, I really wish there was more art of this version of Ivy (and I don't mean all the housebroken stuff that the one draw-anon does for these threads)
>Barbara fixes Ivy via breaking her down and building her back up >Ivy tries to repay the favor with Cassandra >Cassandra decides to go find her own villain to break
The cycle continues
I tried my best dammit*runs away crying*, but I get it not bad we need to make a mega/folder of stuff seeing as their is so little and it's hard to search it all. I did a few digital drawings but yeah I'm not anywhere near that good.
[...] Idk ruins the whole domme and brat correction/b***h tamer vibe. But I kind of want to know more
[...]
Cass is babs too anon
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Sounds like a fun cycle, but they are all Babs b***hes. Now this reminds me I wanted to try drawing some of that Cass bondage stuff but with Babs domming Ivy and Cass.
No. If Cass were there'd she'd scare Ivy so bad she'd go straight. She'd also solo Bruce's rogues gallery before dinner.
>asiaticgirl homosexuals hijacking a Babs thread again
frick off morons
For anyone wondering what housebroken ivy is. It was a bunch of threads about "The Batman" Babs and Ivy. Involving Babs trying to fix Ivy, and having to take a creative method.
Alright this is the final one of the screenshots
tbh of the previous threads
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/140566110/#q140566110
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138508133/#138516977
Implying Babs doesn't want to convert them both. But Cass could be good muscle for the breaking
I like to imagine Ivy still has a bit of her attitude as a seductress in her so she’s constantly trying to get Barbara on to her side and to let her do what she wants even though it rarely works.
Even in their domestic life I think Pamela would be a bit like a cat. Still timid and completely loyal to Barbara due to being broken down and rebuilt as the perfect obedient girlfriend, but also retaining her old traits. She would try to manipulate Barbara, but the motivation has changed and now she’s just trying to get her to show her more affection. So trapped that even when given control she never once tries for freedom
Oh that's fun, I see it also being played on Babs domination. Imagine Ivy trying so hard to be a dominant seductress but then as it doesn't work or as babs breaks her down with logic for her dangerous or impulsive idea. Then it slowly devolves into a bratty whine or plead to Babs.
Ha didn't even finish reading your idea but we had a similar concept lol. I love this Ivy purely because it could be a bit more dominant/aggressive/bullying Babs, but this ivy still has a level of autonomy which I think allows for cuteness and fun dynamics. Imagining a once badass seductress or strong women to her enemies, at home laying her head in Babs lap being obedient and needing love and affection.
It's why I love all versions of Housebroken Ivy >Wholesome broken to be redeemed >More Bdsm esque obedient housewife >Babs being a control freak breaking her for a mix of ego and domination.
It all works.
Also I plan on doing some housebroken ivy sketches bros, if you don't get them to me within about a hour I won't be able to draw it til tommorow.
Ha I feel I need a ref for this but sounds fun.. I'll think of the posing for it because. I rather pin ups but I'd be ok with a 2 panel or 3panel thing here.
Here you go anon, usually I'd shade it but I'm about to go to sleep. Hopefully you like it I tried to do a quicker sketch and do a slight overhead shot like a random cat angle i used.
In my head >Ivy outside at gate/door holding a unconscious super girl >Babs looking at her through security camera
Thank you, originally before I decided to just make it a quicker sketch. I was going to try some shading to make it look like one of those paranormal activity came so all gray/black and only Ivy's eyes would have been shining green. Like a cat in the middle of the night.
That is honestly great. It also lends itself to Babs wanting to quickly rush her through the door before Alfred sees
Yep I appreciate it bro. also see it almost more like this is outside Babs house can't keep a super dangerous villianess in training in a normal place. Probably some hi tech Loft/beach house she got from Bruce, but she definitely can't afford to have her out there too long in the open.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds like the perfect place for some shenanigans to take place. Lots of sunlight is great for both plant people and for kryptonians, though Barbara might not want Kara recovering so quickly.
She still needs to convince Kara that she’s dumb and needs guidance
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yep exactly, she probably has some kryptonite lying around and some anti sunlight rooms. Since she mostlikely trained Ivy there as well. Plus ivy's mind control kisses, I did at one point do a green setting up supergirl's breaking with a similar premise to the pic which is why I decided to draw it.
>Love the whole idea of her forcing these girls to second guess them selves with the they are dumb and need mommy bab's to guide them into good girls lol
Actually I think soulmates are because Ivy is insecure. >Ivy finds out Babs is collecting more girls >use’s pheromones to implant the idea that the harem should be part time because Ivy is her true love >also puts in the idea of getting married
I feel by this point Ivy would be greatly broken and Babs is immune to the pheromones. But I do think she'd always let Ivy know she's number 1. She's her partner in crime at this point it's like a pimp having a bottom b***h or a cult leader having a head wife.
But I don't hate the idea of Ivy being super jealous at first, maybe Babs puts her in charge of breaking/*training* some girls and she gets a bit to aggressive with someone like Cass or Steph feeling they already are too close to Babs to begin with.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Red sun rooms would probably work better. And since the two are friends she might be more gentle. Though Ivy can probably cross the distance there when it comes to manipulation
4 months ago
Anonymous
True, maybe better to make a power mixed with ivy pheromones and pink and gold kryptonite.
I feel babs would be ok with being a bit rough with super girl with some prodding. Especially classic bad girl/bitchy/ego kara. The one that first came to earth and was the typical teenage girl mixed with a god complex and a bit xenophobic. She'd probably do the captain atom to batman meme to babs on their first meeting
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I can see that. Maybe she even uses Superman in the manipulations.
Constantly comparing Kara to her cousin and questioning if she’s good enough
4 months ago
Anonymous
Damn that's funny because that was DC superheroes girl kara's big thing as well. So it'd be a fun call back. She'd probably bring up how she's the older cousin but needs to be protected and watched how she wanted to be a warrior but failed not only her planet but also her parents not helping clark. How 2 humans without powers protected her cousin better than she ever could.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I also remember frequent mentions of Kara missing the tech of krypton, with Earth being like a medieval fantasy world by comparison
4 months ago
Anonymous
Definitely I may just screenshot my old green of my idea of the story at this point lol. But yeah it would feel that way she'd feel like a super genius in comparison. It was one of the main focuses in her new movie, which I liked as most Kara's make her to normal and fit in almost immediately even though she canon wise lived more time on krypton than earth which made her unique to Superman.
She basically is a girl from a advance world that is millions of years ahead of earth. She then is forced to be around a language and culture that isn't her own. Add on to all that she is given god like power and abilities. Of course she was a bit b***hy and arrogant to humans, she didn't develop a love or humility to their lives like clark did. But it would make her super bratty and b***h to non metas and even to villians being trained as a warrior on krypton then by wonder woman who is strength based society. She's also had a few bratty/b***h teen girl phase, drinking smoking and drugs
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I can definitely see that impacting her and could even lead to her gravitation towards Babs due to her access to advanced and sometimes alien tech and military attitude. With her seeing Barbara as more civilized
Also gotta go do a thing
4 months ago
Anonymous
Ha interesting Idea see I don't think so because she even refers to batman's stuff as toys. So I felt early on she didn't respect anyone, besides Clark and those that could compare to her strength like Wondy. I do think it'd be funny if she got humbled by Babs like she did by batman and brainiac 5. Kara isn't that smart herself like how we have smartphones doesn't mean we are smart enough to build it or hack it same with her she was just born in a advance society.
Aight later bro hopefully the threads still up and we get more posters.
I don't think they were ever just friends anon, but I also think it would take a certain level of carrot and stick to fix Ivy even in a wholesome friendly way.
I can respect that anon, I think if we were to make a tier list. for me it goes.
>The batman >Arkhamverse >Justice League Action >Gotham by Gaslight >Justice League Unlimited >DC action superhero girls >Batman and harley quinn >Btas >harley quinn show(has to be the worst to me)
I can respect that anon, I think if we were to make a tier list. for me it goes.
>The batman >Arkhamverse >Justice League Action >Gotham by Gaslight >Justice League Unlimited >DC action superhero girls >Batman and harley quinn >Btas >harley quinn show(has to be the worst to me)
I made a tier list of all the Ivy designs in animation/cartoons
https://tiermaker.com/create/poison-ivy-animated-design-tier-list-16778698
Could have used the tier list lol, also really? I guess I prefer uniqueness and something about JLU ivy hits better than the og something about the better contrast and her outfit felt less like some random cotton to latex that makes her so cute to me.
Also DCSHG ivy is cute, she has the basic fit but something about curly deep red hair is peak to me also the mannerism of a nerdy but at time sadistic ivy is fun. Really we need more ivy secretly being a nerd her origin is alway being a scientist anyway.
I could let Batman ninja Ivy go down as that is raw just new design bias and horny, I feel I could let arkham ivy in A but lower come on bro. An the batman ivy will always be the peak/fave to me.
I do like learning other peoples faves though gives me a idea what they value. I do wonder what people consider mandatory or peak Ivy design philosophy.
Actually didn’t notice the link there my bad, I personally just prefer Poison Ivy to be a normal person who is either really good at chemistry n botany or has plant control but not physically altered by that.
I feel the green skin and more plant focus is a bit excessive for her theme and also can clutter mess with her designs colour flow, I guess BTAS Ivy being my first crush means I usually have that design in mind whenever another look for her is done. Though her also being a nerd and focusing on that in her design, like she is a shut in woman’s idea of what she thinks people find sexy can work and sounds like a fun idea, i just feel full on making her a plant hybrid is a bit to much and also prefer her to have some curve and volume in her design, though weirdly Brave and the Bold is my exception to the green skin annoyance maybe cause it doesn’t blend with her outfit and she has enough of the elements I like in her design such as the face structure and hair design. I’m surprised her Injustice 2 design gets ignored so often and doesn’t get much mention.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It's cool bro mostly just joking. Man I'm the exact opposite the reason I wasn't a fan of her og btas design was because she felt like just another mook in a shitty/basic outfit lol. I feel her being green and covered in plants and less human makes her the peak as other wise what separates her from other chemist and science/smart villians. I mean btas ivy was just female riddler to me, but again I can understand first crush vibes maybe that's why JLU and The batman hold a special place to me in terms of design.
Seems were on the opposite of the spectrum, I feel peak ivy is light green skin, barefoot clothes made of plants shrubs, leaves and branches etc. I feel lightly clothed is the peak also dark red hair, *rose red* to basic ginger ivy is dumb to me as it's about standing out and being memorable both in terms of sexy and in dynamic colors.
I do feel the batman Ivy is the best way to make her fun/relevant again. Make her a genius kid from Babs school/college, gives her a connection with the batfamily. Also making her a nerdy girl as a anon pitched a few threads ago, have her always being a bit strange and now being a plant hybrid making it worse. She becomes amoral, she's not cruel or evil she thinks she's helping the world and other people with her new powers. Imagine she learns her mother has cancer or dying and she wants to extend her life, or her mom says she wants to beautiful again. New schizo/amoral Ivy turns her into a flower that won't wilt because now she'll live forever and be beautiful. It could make ivy a more forgivable antagonist but also a interesting one. I feel she doesn't have enough of a connection to batman as at times she's just a random eco terrorist and other she's just way to high tier for batman to not just call a JL member.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I feel peak ivy is light green skin, barefoot clothes made of plants shrubs, leaves and branches etc.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you brother, seems we have very similar based tastes
Stop trying to "fix" murderers unless you're going to fix all their victims too.
Technically she didn't murder anyone, at worst poisoned them. But that's why we believes she needs correction and to be tamed. Takes a firm hand not a limp one like arkham. Babs will fix her forever and isn't that what prison/asylums are for?.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Is funny how we are such opposites on this matter, I just like her BTAS design so much, the lips, hair shape/colour, the costume design and figure just perfect to me, it genuinely sucks how little smut look has also when Harley is drowning in content. Plus I like her look being more toned down as ot emphasises her intellect, her need to be seductive and makes her plant control or abilities seem more resourceful and cunning. Anyway I just feel she fits in better with the overall Batman villains roster of she is purely human cause then it makes her plant obsession more psychological or more emphasised then if she is literally a plant person cause then yeah no reason she is all for it cause she is literally half brussel sprout. I do feel morally ambiguous Poison Ivy can work since hard to make her a villain when her environmental goal is harder and harder to villainise, I just feel getting her away from Harley is important as she just becomes a satellite character to that wretched clown and yeah though her The Batman design isn’t one of my personal faves it is really solid look and works great within the show, funny enough really like The Batman’s Batgirl design and think it’d be fun to see her and BTAS Batgirl sorta swap bodytypes as a fun visual experiment
4 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair harley was the first design and it fits my design philosophy of dynamic and memorable. It's why I'm pro super red hair rather than the typical orange/faded of BTAS.
maybe you'll like DCSHGs, as it uses both designs nerdy/human and plant design. But I do get your idea but I feel it makes her not stand out as much I mean their are tons of lesser batman villains that fit the same profile and don't have relevancy. Could be used to underpower Ivy who with mister freeze are some of batman's strongest/most broken villians.
interesting idea about the batgirls didn't even notice the body type difference. Also yeah I feel the reason "The Batman" Ivy works for me is as a artist it fits and works with so many design philosophies but could easily have not worked like most of the shows style but it just worked and was fun.
Yeah as you said ambiguous Ivy would work better now, but portrayed as someone that goes to far or is oblivious to the plight of those around her. A welling meaning person who had a one track mind and never took in others complaints or ideas. Then boom now she's part plant pushing her further into her schizo autism and making her more heartless and amoral than before which was just misunderstanding and a bit of ego. Also yeah at this point get rid of harley and keep everyone away from her. Harley has become basic b***h/normie heroine and every dumbass writer with no talents fave/go to. We need to keep her away from the good characters which is sad. As you said it's made her static and also with environmental concerns becoming more realistic and fair and with harley being a antihero it really does take away most of classic ivy's fun and nuance so now she's either basically got nothing to do or is relegated to Harley's gf. It's why I say connect her to babs as they came out around the same time, also you could really use her in fun ways if like other characters she has a more direct connection with the batfam
4 months ago
Anonymous
Aye perhaps sometime I should commission my own rendition of Ivy’s design like I have done for Shocker and Mysterio before, once ordered a mask ed pic of her BTAS look and that’s about it
4 months ago
Anonymous
Oh sounds fun always good to see a thread bring out new creative ideas and art. Even if it's not my cup o' tea lol.
I can agree with that, really her biggest flaw now is she is nothing but a lesbian. An in the harley quinn show they made her so frumpy/bland looking doesn't feel like a seductress just a random dyke you'd find at a lezbar
Why can’t she be both? She’s a seductress who keeps a special lady hidden and safe
I think she can be both a seductress and lesbian but just not in the current model they have. Also I assume when anon says angry lesbian he means how recently she's had no character outside of it and now her mutual hate for humans has begun to show signs of man exclusive hate which ivy had before at times but she showed little care for women either.
in this series yes, Ivy was bab's friend they are shown going on a mission together to mess with some polluting company. Then somehow Ivy falls into a vat of chemicals while doing some eco terrorist stuff. Then the first thing she does is go and talk with babs and say they can change the world together. So yeah they were fairly close lol
>friends
Yes, in the Batman cartoon Ivy started out as Babs’s nerdy friend
And?
Yep she could best way though would be to break her then build her back up.
any housebroken Ivy bros here? been a while since we had this thread.
I’m here and thinking away
Based bro, hopefully we can have a good thread it's been about 2ish months now. I hope we get some greens like always.
Wow! I feel so attacked, what I do? But yeah sadly she doesn't have a lot but I feel she's definitely the most unique and interesting Ivy as her potential to the lore and world. Most Ivy's designs are a bit generic and don't hit as hard as this one. Especially comics designs that tend to just be naked plant girl long red hair not bad but idk this one always stuck with me same with arkham Ivy.
>Wow! I feel so attacked, what I do?
I didn't mean it in a mean way, I just meant more than pencil sketch art... something more like stuff like this.
I tried my best dammit*runs away crying*, but I get it not bad we need to make a mega/folder of stuff seeing as their is so little and it's hard to search it all. I did a few digital drawings but yeah I'm not anywhere near that good.
Idk ruins the whole domme and brat correction/b***h tamer vibe. But I kind of want to know more
Cass is babs too anon
Sounds like a fun cycle, but they are all Babs b***hes. Now this reminds me I wanted to try drawing some of that Cass bondage stuff but with Babs domming Ivy and Cass.
Hold on one minute
Ah well now this is just depressing plus I hope you don't bring the bro in we need to keep it toxic yuri lol
But yeah interesting start to the green so far, I assume you are the inkanon/americachavez anon? Feels like his type of subversive character study type of green
I wouldn’t really call myself fully subversive since I like to put the subversion at the start then play it straight but yeah.
I wondered why Barbara would logically do all of this and realized it’s a twisted way to try and save her friend from turning out like her brother. also I don’t think I’m the type who would bring him in
Ha I knew it was you lol, but yeah I suppose it's like the Roxy thread. We always see it in two different ways. I think it's a interesting way though and can play on why she'd go full domme and breaking her down more aggressively and possessively. She wanted to just bring her friend back from the brink but then realized breaking her down and making it so she can never do this again is the better option.
"Better she be a broken submissive slave/pet than her hurting anyone". Gives off that preemptive punishment mindset
Yeah and to be fair it makes sense that Batman could cause a person to develop that kind of thought process.
In a way Barbara is kind of the other side’s version of lock up. Deciding to preemptively redeem potential villains rather than track people down and lock them in a personal prison
image Batgirl and Lockup coming to an agreement
It fits sadly as we know that Babs in some runs has a bit more of a authoritarian mentality, before it became more of Jason todd's thing. It was because her dad is a cop so she sometime was used to show a more law and order side but in a warped way. Also she originally was more of a older woman detective type so that worked it's way in now. But really the idea works well even with modern bab's seeing as she basically raises and controls both the other batgirls. She is a known genius and psychoanalysist who keeps track of some villians in gotham. Even at one point working in Arkham to figure out how close some were to redemption or breaking out again.
I see her seeing all this and deciding to go full I'll fix them all with the added benefit of making a harem. They'd stand no chance to her top tier manipulation and gaslighting even Cass was manipulated by her and she was emotionless assassin at the time.
Yeah I could definitely see that happening and I like the idea of Barbara justifying her every action
>Pamela is clearly unwell so she needs a strong hand to teach her right from wrong
>now that Pamela has been broken down she clearly needs constant supervision
>with Pam so helpless, obedient and loving it would be cruel not to love her back. Of course I can date her.
>Cass and Steph both have villainous parents, perhaps they need more nurture to cover the nature
>as lesser Bargirls it is only natural that I command them, especially given their personalities
>Supergirl is probably fine, but absolute power does corrupt absolutely
>Supergirl is dumb, doing her thinking for her is basically doing her a favor
And then Superman asks Wonder Woman to have a talk with Batgirl which only makes her worse due to how Diana feels about her actions
Oh you were the one that was pro the super harem. Wasn't the joke that Diane was her teacher lol. But yeah sounds about right I wonder how batgirl would react to e-girl ivy from SSKTJL
Also yeah I liked the idea that it becomes easier for Babs with experience and the fact she has Ivy's brainwashing spores/kisses to help her. I alway love the idea of characters rationalizing their bs, it shows they aren't malicious persay just obsessive or foolish. If you want to go dark which who are we kidding you do lol, could also add in that old mentality that only people into bdsm and sadism and into same sex are those that have childhood trauma. Insert the fact bab's mother was killed and in some canon right in front of her. So now she loves girls and wants to have control because she didn't as a kid to save her mom and also maybe takes on the mother role to a degree herself.
Personally I like whatever serves the characters best, but I absolutely agree.
Personally I see Diana trying to explain the Amazon idea if loving submission and Barbara corrupts it into her mind that said loving submission must become mandatory.
She then frames her group of half brainwashed followers as a team to get JL support and is basically given free rein as the leader. Becoming a dark parallel to the Teen Titans as this College age team enforces total control over all members, with Ivy being second in command and the other Batgirls eventually accepting their roles as lieutenants.
Supergirl might rebel eventually though
Based bro. The idea of Diane talking about submission is hilarious especially if it got corrupted into lesbian sex slavery because of the og creators thing lol
Not much she could do after mind control and gaslighting and manipulation. Tends to break a person but the idea of Batgirl Gestapo is insane bro she's really made a Super heroine Lesbian SS. I find it quite insane you really go for the in for a penny in for a pound mentality don't ya
Yeah. I can see Kara entering Barbara’s base, expecting to find a normal super team, only to see a lush flowery environment with everyone present wearing a Batgirl costume
>Kara: frick, this is a cult isn’t it.
>Barbara: no, this is a home of redemption and peace where we teach people how to be better
>Pamela: Barbara teaches bed girls how to be good
>Kara: that sounds like a super cult. Why is everyone dressed like Batgirl
>Barbara: because dressing the same promotes friendship and unity of thought
>Kara: ok, and why are some of them kissing
>Pamela: that’s because they’re soulmates. “giggle” don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll find your soulmate too.
>Kara stares forward as Pam gives Barbara a peck on the cheek
>Kara: yep this is definitely a cult
How sad Kara had to go in the box on her first day. that was strangely her size and coated with led and kryptonite[/ spoiler] I did just love how it sounded more and more like a cult with time but you were forgetting the fact the leader superseding all soul mates or the fact they all are bab's woman/wives. I feel she'd let them wear unique outfits but they'd be changed to have a Batgirl emblem or tattoo somewhere on their bodies. Also adding in elements of bab's outfit into their own. [spoiler] by the way I'm gonna be gone for a sec, if you have the screenshots of the past greens could you post em bro if not ill do it later i just do it so people can have context[/spoiler]
I do not have the screenshots, sorry. I’d post them if I did, but it’s fine
Yeah probably. Also we shouldn’t forget that Barbara is still genuinely trying to help each and every one of them.
She just has an… odd way of doing it
Yeah but she could also gaslight herself by saying well I deserve to be respected and worshipped I'm such a good person lol. I also assume she breaks them similar to ivy so they'd be co dependent anyway.
It's cool bro I'll do it later
That’s what soulmates are for.
She knows it would be cruel to leave such codependent people alone so she makes sure to break and rebuild two compatible girls so they can watch each other. Because she’s such a good person
But I was referring more to how cult leaders bang everyone as some type of sex god. Also wasn't the whole point this is some massive Lezdom clusterfrick?
Not a bad idea anon, I feel everyone has a different idea for it. You're just hearing inks, but i do draw whatever I found hottest.
Yes and No harley x Ivy is just over saturated and also is notoriously boring asf now. Remember in the Dini and Timm days it was fun because they got to still be characters. It's like the thread someone made not to long ago about "how does Cinemaphile or fans make better lesbian dynamics and content then modern shows". The whole thing is they try to make Lgbt ships perfect or wholesome but it's the lame unfun kind, so one literally just becomes the others gf or bf and loses all character or motivation outside of fricking the mc. It's why Ivy sucks so much now because harley is a hero so Ivy is basically just there as she can't be dating a villian.
No prob I just remember I had em, and grabbed the tbhs via my album link.
I thought the whole point of this was to showcase Barbara’s need for control over everything around her
I guess I lost track of it anon, really it was your idea you were the one that kept mentioning a cult. I was just bringing up the harem idea that I assumed you created lol.
Yeah that was one of the original ideas, that Babs calls out how Ivy is kind of dumb. She could literally reforest deserts but instead she fights and starts wars and outbreaks in a random city. So you are right it could definitely work. I think it's also the fact Ivy at times with Harley becomes a nothing burger character like in the show, I can't tell you anything about Ivy besides she's your typical lesbian sounds and looks like vaggie from hazbin hotel and cheated on kiteman.
I do now like the idea of playing with Ivy trying to still be environmental but babs shooting it down or holding back her more insane ideas and telling her to do healthier methods.
Cass would definitely beat Ivy's ass, but let's not forget who is the real alpha batgirl anon
I like to imagine Ivy still has a bit of her attitude as a seductress in her so she’s constantly trying to get Barbara on to her side and to let her do what she wants even though it rarely works.
Even in their domestic life I think Pamela would be a bit like a cat. Still timid and completely loyal to Barbara due to being broken down and rebuilt as the perfect obedient girlfriend, but also retaining her old traits. She would try to manipulate Barbara, but the motivation has changed and now she’s just trying to get her to show her more affection. So trapped that even when given control she never once tries for freedom
Yeah exactly. All ship dynamics should have a push and pull to them, even if they have one person who is more dominant than the other.
Here, despite being timid, I think Ivy is probably still really radical in an environmental sense and has to constantly be held back from causing massive damage
Actually I think soulmates are because Ivy is insecure.
>Ivy finds out Babs is collecting more girls
>use’s pheromones to implant the idea that the harem should be part time because Ivy is her true love
>also puts in the idea of getting married
>”hey Barbie, what’s wrong?”
>Barbara woke up in a cold sweat upon hearing that voice in her dreams, the sickly slimy feeling still clinging to the edges of her mind.
>a philosophical zombie, at least in an emotional sense, that’s what the officers had called him when they took him away. When they took away the parasite who stole the lives of her friends.
>leaning over on her pillow now, Barbara looked over to the left, seeing Pamela sleeping peacefully by her side. The former villainess reduced to an adorable messy haired dork in her unconscious state.
>slowly, Barbara found her hand snaking up into the long red locks of her best friend, slowly stroking her scalp as she allowed a sad smile to form along her face
>”never again” Barbara whispered to herself. Never again would she allow another friend to fall into a life of crime and murder.
>she could fix Pam. She could keep her obedient and controlled and make sure that she never hurt a fly. she could ensure that her brother would be the last
I had a small idea brewing an idea for how this whole thing started as Barbara is secretly equally broken
Man, I really wish there was more art of this version of Ivy (and I don't mean all the housebroken stuff that the one draw-anon does for these threads)
Agreed, especially jusy regular redemption stuff. I think it could be cool
No. But Ivy could fix Cassandra
>Barbara fixes Ivy via breaking her down and building her back up
>Ivy tries to repay the favor with Cassandra
>Cassandra decides to go find her own villain to break
The cycle continues
>asiaticgirl homosexuals hijacking a Babs thread again
frick off morons
Batman pretty much have so many comrades, huh?
Yep at 1 point he had like what 1000 Robin during that weird owl/Robin war bs?
wew nice
Does anyone know who the artist is?
redblackattack
Ah makes sense, that shading and coloring fits her.
Here's all my housebroken Ivy sketches so far
>https://catbox.moe/c/iovyyl
I may do some sketches soon bros, if the thread stays up.
Thank you anon
You're welcome bro I'll probably do some more art for the thread soon. I just need a idea or two and to finish up art in my other threads
This thread is what happens when anons don't get laid
This entire board is what happens when anons don’t get laid
Say whatever you will, this ship is still leagues above the entire Harley and Ivy ship
It grows on you
For anyone wondering what housebroken ivy is. It was a bunch of threads about "The Batman" Babs and Ivy. Involving Babs trying to fix Ivy, and having to take a creative method.
Here are screenshots of some of the OG threads and Greens. For context and cause they were fun
Alright this is the final one of the screenshots
tbh of the previous threads
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/140566110/#q140566110
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138508133/#138516977
Thanks for that. I was wondering where they were
No. If Cass were there'd she'd scare Ivy so bad she'd go straight. She'd also solo Bruce's rogues gallery before dinner.
>Cass scaring Ivy straight
>Babs scaring Ivy gay
Ironically they have the same end result
Implying Babs doesn't want to convert them both. But Cass could be good muscle for the breaking
Oh that's fun, I see it also being played on Babs domination. Imagine Ivy trying so hard to be a dominant seductress but then as it doesn't work or as babs breaks her down with logic for her dangerous or impulsive idea. Then it slowly devolves into a bratty whine or plead to Babs.
Ha didn't even finish reading your idea but we had a similar concept lol. I love this Ivy purely because it could be a bit more dominant/aggressive/bullying Babs, but this ivy still has a level of autonomy which I think allows for cuteness and fun dynamics. Imagining a once badass seductress or strong women to her enemies, at home laying her head in Babs lap being obedient and needing love and affection.
It's why I love all versions of Housebroken Ivy
>Wholesome broken to be redeemed
>More Bdsm esque obedient housewife
>Babs being a control freak breaking her for a mix of ego and domination.
It all works.
Also I plan on doing some housebroken ivy sketches bros, if you don't get them to me within about a hour I won't be able to draw it til tommorow.
What about Ivy presenting a knocked out Supergirl to Babs like a cat with a dead bird
Ha I feel I need a ref for this but sounds fun.. I'll think of the posing for it because. I rather pin ups but I'd be ok with a 2 panel or 3panel thing here.
Here you go anon, usually I'd shade it but I'm about to go to sleep. Hopefully you like it I tried to do a quicker sketch and do a slight overhead shot like a random cat angle i used.
In my head
>Ivy outside at gate/door holding a unconscious super girl
>Babs looking at her through security camera
nice work anon, I like the worried look babs has
Thank you, originally before I decided to just make it a quicker sketch. I was going to try some shading to make it look like one of those paranormal activity came so all gray/black and only Ivy's eyes would have been shining green. Like a cat in the middle of the night.
Yep I appreciate it bro. also see it almost more like this is outside Babs house can't keep a super dangerous villianess in training in a normal place. Probably some hi tech Loft/beach house she got from Bruce, but she definitely can't afford to have her out there too long in the open.
Sounds like the perfect place for some shenanigans to take place. Lots of sunlight is great for both plant people and for kryptonians, though Barbara might not want Kara recovering so quickly.
She still needs to convince Kara that she’s dumb and needs guidance
Yep exactly, she probably has some kryptonite lying around and some anti sunlight rooms. Since she mostlikely trained Ivy there as well. Plus ivy's mind control kisses, I did at one point do a green setting up supergirl's breaking with a similar premise to the pic which is why I decided to draw it.
>Love the whole idea of her forcing these girls to second guess them selves with the they are dumb and need mommy bab's to guide them into good girls lol
I feel by this point Ivy would be greatly broken and Babs is immune to the pheromones. But I do think she'd always let Ivy know she's number 1. She's her partner in crime at this point it's like a pimp having a bottom b***h or a cult leader having a head wife.
But I don't hate the idea of Ivy being super jealous at first, maybe Babs puts her in charge of breaking/*training* some girls and she gets a bit to aggressive with someone like Cass or Steph feeling they already are too close to Babs to begin with.
Red sun rooms would probably work better. And since the two are friends she might be more gentle. Though Ivy can probably cross the distance there when it comes to manipulation
True, maybe better to make a power mixed with ivy pheromones and pink and gold kryptonite.
I feel babs would be ok with being a bit rough with super girl with some prodding. Especially classic bad girl/bitchy/ego kara. The one that first came to earth and was the typical teenage girl mixed with a god complex and a bit xenophobic. She'd probably do the captain atom to batman meme to babs on their first meeting
Yeah I can see that. Maybe she even uses Superman in the manipulations.
Constantly comparing Kara to her cousin and questioning if she’s good enough
Damn that's funny because that was DC superheroes girl kara's big thing as well. So it'd be a fun call back. She'd probably bring up how she's the older cousin but needs to be protected and watched how she wanted to be a warrior but failed not only her planet but also her parents not helping clark. How 2 humans without powers protected her cousin better than she ever could.
I also remember frequent mentions of Kara missing the tech of krypton, with Earth being like a medieval fantasy world by comparison
Definitely I may just screenshot my old green of my idea of the story at this point lol. But yeah it would feel that way she'd feel like a super genius in comparison. It was one of the main focuses in her new movie, which I liked as most Kara's make her to normal and fit in almost immediately even though she canon wise lived more time on krypton than earth which made her unique to Superman.
She basically is a girl from a advance world that is millions of years ahead of earth. She then is forced to be around a language and culture that isn't her own. Add on to all that she is given god like power and abilities. Of course she was a bit b***hy and arrogant to humans, she didn't develop a love or humility to their lives like clark did. But it would make her super bratty and b***h to non metas and even to villians being trained as a warrior on krypton then by wonder woman who is strength based society. She's also had a few bratty/b***h teen girl phase, drinking smoking and drugs
Yeah I can definitely see that impacting her and could even lead to her gravitation towards Babs due to her access to advanced and sometimes alien tech and military attitude. With her seeing Barbara as more civilized
Also gotta go do a thing
Ha interesting Idea see I don't think so because she even refers to batman's stuff as toys. So I felt early on she didn't respect anyone, besides Clark and those that could compare to her strength like Wondy. I do think it'd be funny if she got humbled by Babs like she did by batman and brainiac 5. Kara isn't that smart herself like how we have smartphones doesn't mean we are smart enough to build it or hack it same with her she was just born in a advance society.
Aight later bro hopefully the threads still up and we get more posters.
That is honestly great. It also lends itself to Babs wanting to quickly rush her through the door before Alfred sees
You ever considered art of BTAS Batgirl and Poison Ivy swapping with The Batman versions?
Am I really the only one who would like Babs and Pam to be friends again, but not with this weird Housebreaking mentality?
I don't think they were ever just friends anon, but I also think it would take a certain level of carrot and stick to fix Ivy even in a wholesome friendly way.
Thinking of doing some more Housebroken ivy sketches later tonight, so send me some ideas or refs bros.
Best character design
I maintain that Arkhamverse Ivy is the best, but The Batman design has to be #2.
I can respect that anon, I think if we were to make a tier list. for me it goes.
>The batman
>Arkhamverse
>Justice League Action
>Gotham by Gaslight
>Justice League Unlimited
>DC action superhero girls
>Batman and harley quinn
>Btas
>harley quinn show(has to be the worst to me)
I made a tier list of all the Ivy designs in animation/cartoons
https://tiermaker.com/create/poison-ivy-animated-design-tier-list-16778698
I’d swap B and S tier placements round myself and shut middle A Ivy right to trash
Could have used the tier list lol, also really? I guess I prefer uniqueness and something about JLU ivy hits better than the og something about the better contrast and her outfit felt less like some random cotton to latex that makes her so cute to me.
Also DCSHG ivy is cute, she has the basic fit but something about curly deep red hair is peak to me also the mannerism of a nerdy but at time sadistic ivy is fun. Really we need more ivy secretly being a nerd her origin is alway being a scientist anyway.
I could let Batman ninja Ivy go down as that is raw just new design bias and horny, I feel I could let arkham ivy in A but lower come on bro. An the batman ivy will always be the peak/fave to me.
I do like learning other peoples faves though gives me a idea what they value. I do wonder what people consider mandatory or peak Ivy design philosophy.
Actually didn’t notice the link there my bad, I personally just prefer Poison Ivy to be a normal person who is either really good at chemistry n botany or has plant control but not physically altered by that.
I feel the green skin and more plant focus is a bit excessive for her theme and also can clutter mess with her designs colour flow, I guess BTAS Ivy being my first crush means I usually have that design in mind whenever another look for her is done. Though her also being a nerd and focusing on that in her design, like she is a shut in woman’s idea of what she thinks people find sexy can work and sounds like a fun idea, i just feel full on making her a plant hybrid is a bit to much and also prefer her to have some curve and volume in her design, though weirdly Brave and the Bold is my exception to the green skin annoyance maybe cause it doesn’t blend with her outfit and she has enough of the elements I like in her design such as the face structure and hair design. I’m surprised her Injustice 2 design gets ignored so often and doesn’t get much mention.
It's cool bro mostly just joking. Man I'm the exact opposite the reason I wasn't a fan of her og btas design was because she felt like just another mook in a shitty/basic outfit lol. I feel her being green and covered in plants and less human makes her the peak as other wise what separates her from other chemist and science/smart villians. I mean btas ivy was just female riddler to me, but again I can understand first crush vibes maybe that's why JLU and The batman hold a special place to me in terms of design.
Seems were on the opposite of the spectrum, I feel peak ivy is light green skin, barefoot clothes made of plants shrubs, leaves and branches etc. I feel lightly clothed is the peak also dark red hair, *rose red* to basic ginger ivy is dumb to me as it's about standing out and being memorable both in terms of sexy and in dynamic colors.
I do feel the batman Ivy is the best way to make her fun/relevant again. Make her a genius kid from Babs school/college, gives her a connection with the batfamily. Also making her a nerdy girl as a anon pitched a few threads ago, have her always being a bit strange and now being a plant hybrid making it worse. She becomes amoral, she's not cruel or evil she thinks she's helping the world and other people with her new powers. Imagine she learns her mother has cancer or dying and she wants to extend her life, or her mom says she wants to beautiful again. New schizo/amoral Ivy turns her into a flower that won't wilt because now she'll live forever and be beautiful. It could make ivy a more forgivable antagonist but also a interesting one. I feel she doesn't have enough of a connection to batman as at times she's just a random eco terrorist and other she's just way to high tier for batman to not just call a JL member.
>I feel peak ivy is light green skin, barefoot clothes made of plants shrubs, leaves and branches etc.
Thank you brother, seems we have very similar based tastes
Technically she didn't murder anyone, at worst poisoned them. But that's why we believes she needs correction and to be tamed. Takes a firm hand not a limp one like arkham. Babs will fix her forever and isn't that what prison/asylums are for?.
Is funny how we are such opposites on this matter, I just like her BTAS design so much, the lips, hair shape/colour, the costume design and figure just perfect to me, it genuinely sucks how little smut look has also when Harley is drowning in content. Plus I like her look being more toned down as ot emphasises her intellect, her need to be seductive and makes her plant control or abilities seem more resourceful and cunning. Anyway I just feel she fits in better with the overall Batman villains roster of she is purely human cause then it makes her plant obsession more psychological or more emphasised then if she is literally a plant person cause then yeah no reason she is all for it cause she is literally half brussel sprout. I do feel morally ambiguous Poison Ivy can work since hard to make her a villain when her environmental goal is harder and harder to villainise, I just feel getting her away from Harley is important as she just becomes a satellite character to that wretched clown and yeah though her The Batman design isn’t one of my personal faves it is really solid look and works great within the show, funny enough really like The Batman’s Batgirl design and think it’d be fun to see her and BTAS Batgirl sorta swap bodytypes as a fun visual experiment
To be fair harley was the first design and it fits my design philosophy of dynamic and memorable. It's why I'm pro super red hair rather than the typical orange/faded of BTAS.
maybe you'll like DCSHGs, as it uses both designs nerdy/human and plant design. But I do get your idea but I feel it makes her not stand out as much I mean their are tons of lesser batman villains that fit the same profile and don't have relevancy. Could be used to underpower Ivy who with mister freeze are some of batman's strongest/most broken villians.
interesting idea about the batgirls didn't even notice the body type difference. Also yeah I feel the reason "The Batman" Ivy works for me is as a artist it fits and works with so many design philosophies but could easily have not worked like most of the shows style but it just worked and was fun.
Yeah as you said ambiguous Ivy would work better now, but portrayed as someone that goes to far or is oblivious to the plight of those around her. A welling meaning person who had a one track mind and never took in others complaints or ideas. Then boom now she's part plant pushing her further into her schizo autism and making her more heartless and amoral than before which was just misunderstanding and a bit of ego. Also yeah at this point get rid of harley and keep everyone away from her. Harley has become basic b***h/normie heroine and every dumbass writer with no talents fave/go to. We need to keep her away from the good characters which is sad. As you said it's made her static and also with environmental concerns becoming more realistic and fair and with harley being a antihero it really does take away most of classic ivy's fun and nuance so now she's either basically got nothing to do or is relegated to Harley's gf. It's why I say connect her to babs as they came out around the same time, also you could really use her in fun ways if like other characters she has a more direct connection with the batfam
Aye perhaps sometime I should commission my own rendition of Ivy’s design like I have done for Shocker and Mysterio before, once ordered a mask ed pic of her BTAS look and that’s about it
Oh sounds fun always good to see a thread bring out new creative ideas and art. Even if it's not my cup o' tea lol.
Which way bros?
Nerd version in green dress
Really? I really love the rose hair and petite ivy in nothing but the equivalent of a plant sundress.
Just ate a salad thinking of her
Added strawberry sauce for flavour
To a salad???
Myeeeeees
Who would win in a fight between Plant Sam from Danny Phantom and The Batman Poison Ivy?
The audience.
I say we but em in some mud and let them figure it out for us. No powers just pure strength
Stop trying to "fix" murderers unless you're going to fix all their victims too.
If anyone has any housebroken Ivy request or ideas I'll try and get some sketches done tonight if the thread stays open. Refs are appreciated lol
I don't know about housebroken concepts, but could you just do a regular Ivy drawing?
Best Batgirl design
Best Ivy design
Anyone that disagrees is a pleb
Sounds about right
I prefer JLA Ivy
I can respect that, someone put me onto JLA ivy last thread.
ivy should be a seductress and not an angry lesbian
Why can’t she be both? She’s a seductress who keeps a special lady hidden and safe
I can agree with that, really her biggest flaw now is she is nothing but a lesbian. An in the harley quinn show they made her so frumpy/bland looking doesn't feel like a seductress just a random dyke you'd find at a lezbar
I think she can be both a seductress and lesbian but just not in the current model they have. Also I assume when anon says angry lesbian he means how recently she's had no character outside of it and now her mutual hate for humans has begun to show signs of man exclusive hate which ivy had before at times but she showed little care for women either.
Were they ever friends?
in this series yes, Ivy was bab's friend they are shown going on a mission together to mess with some polluting company. Then somehow Ivy falls into a vat of chemicals while doing some eco terrorist stuff. Then the first thing she does is go and talk with babs and say they can change the world together. So yeah they were fairly close lol
Nice dynamics.