The Bechdel Test was just a joke, guys. He wants you to know it's not his fault all those movies that used it to shape its female leads ended up being garbage.
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The Bechdel Test was just a joke, guys.
>his
I think that's a biological female lesbian
>Make a shitpost
>Idiots take it seriously
Many such cases.
I could not concentrate on what this old man was saying
regardless, it does make sense, if you think about it there really are very few movies where women lead the plot, it's usually from a dominant male character's perspective
but that's probably the same case for society which caters mainly to men
it must in general be annoying/frustrating to be a woman
bitch, that's how the fricking WORLD works. art is just a reflection of reality. and our reality is male-driven because females fricking suck at existence. they're boring to listen to, frustrating to watch and totally uninspirational or meaningful in any real way
Or is that what art has told you to think?
Or have you been told that art tells you what to think?
Not that anon, but it's been my experience as a working class male who's dated plenty of attractive women in his life.
BINGOOOOOOOOOO
>caters too
This phrase always reveals the truth. Catering doesn't happen unless you order it and pay for it. No one sends out catering to the middle of nowhere, with a menu full of shit no one wants.
>all those movies that used it to shape its female leads ended up being garbage.
What that's not why those movies are garbage, they're garbage because of poor writing.
This. It must be very strange to watch a show or film and the women's existences revolve around the men's. But that's sort of where reality is so they'll never be satisfied if they fight this.
>society which caters mainly to men
literally the opposite is true
women are wonderful
they are taken care of
given every possible advantage
they live life on easy mode
I don't think most writers actually give a shit about the Bechdel test. I have literally never heard someone mention it outside of Epic Rap Battles of History.
That's because the sexes are designed differently. Men are designed to go out and do stuff. If you get a bunch of teenage girls together for a slumber party, what do they do? Talk about boys. What do boys do? Play games and talk about stupid shit like if we might actually be in the Matrix right now or something. If you give boys and girls dolls, what do they do? The boys go around the room making them fight each other. The girls play house. That's just the normal state for men and women.
Your problem (and I suspect this has never dawned on you, but I'm being 100% serious here, so please listen) is you're measuring women by men's standards. Men and women are different, so why would you do that? This would be like calling women malnourished because they aren't as tall or strong as men. It's literally no different.
Everyone with a girlfriend who had to fight the regular struggle of "Hey honey, what shall we cook this week?" and the answer is usually "I don't know, you decide!" knows how frustrating it is for both sides.
Women can't decide shit and are clinically afraid of tough decisions across the board.
And tough females? Last week I saw a b***h at work hysterically crying because there was a tiny spider on the wall.
Having all these girl bosses is just an instant immersion breaker because reality has shown you 1000s of times what literal pussies they are.
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I dunno, all the women coworkers I've had so far in the tech industry have been down-to-earth, intelligent, good at getting stuff done, and stable, not hysterical. It's a big world. Women who have good heads on their shoulders probably gravitate to certain fields. Plenty of female scientists and coders out there. Not nearly as many as men of course, but a good number.
Of course people will say "oh but you work in tech, it's not representative of the broader world". Maybe, I dunno, my point is that not all women are these Cinemaphile stereotypes.
lazy bait m8 do better
>it does make sense,
It doesn't. That's the problem. Like a lot of jokes, it sort of makes sense enough to make you have "Hmmm" moment and laugh, but it's only clever enough to be that. Seinfeld humor is classically almost nothing but this, "What's the deal with black box on planes." Inevitably there really is a complex boring reason to the curious and critical observation.
There's some film studies term I think for what the Bechdel Test observers accidentally, but I don't know it's name off hand. Something something primary viewer. But whatever the term that might or might not exist, all writing in things like movies is done usually from a primary perspective - a protagonist. You can contrast this with the books A Song of Fire and Ice which actually don't have singular protagonists but expands the story and conflict through a sequence of character POVs - with the major plot being bigger than any one of them and key events being committed due to their ignorance.
One of the consequences of having a protagonist and classic arc story structure with a conflict and resolution is there's actually way more limited space than might seem or real normal existence would have. Characters don't go to the bathroom unless a story relevant event happens there. They don't take an hour to have breakfast. Key here is, they don't talk to anyone that isn't plot relevant. At most they might have a conversation with someone that has no relevance and will not return themselves, but demonstrates a backstory or mood to a relevant character.
There's no actual small talk in normal movies. Movies will not talk about random pointless events like character's favorite album with her coworker normally. So that cuts down not talking humans, GUY/GIRL, dramatically. Guy's tend to be the conflict drive/villain, and almost all story conflict is human on human. crime drama film? High chance the suspect will be a guy. Romance? If it's not a lesbian romance it can't possibly pass.
In all honesty there has been a lot of content where I could relate to and many animated shows had more female perspectives but in reality a lot of characters are written to appeal to men in the movie/tv universe and to appeal to male audiences.
If I think of examples of female characters I felt were written for us
>early 2000s charlies angels, more female characters than men, they are not invincible but clever and strong
>kim possible
>teen titans, many episodes focused on starfire and raven
>elfen lied, more female characters than male and everyone was human acting, the nudity was never about sex it was hinting at a new species "lucy", harem side plot aside bc japan
>titanic was rose's perspective besides the first scene, her mother's motivations also explained women's choices at the time
>scream had a female lead
>charmed was female led although it tried to appeal to male audiences, it still felt realistic
>bring it on was female led, only one female character had a relationship and love interest
>mean girls female led, many characters had no love interest and talked about things other than dating
The problem I think is that female focused media builds strong and wise female cjaracters that can be flawed and it's okay, and male focused media makes women beautiful love interests that end up with the main guy with low self esteem but more confident by the end and that's it
>The problem I think
Those things you listed are not really problems. Some things appeal more naturally to women and some things appeal more naturally to men and there is nothing wrong with that. The real "problem" is that entertainment is trying to make everything appeal to everybody or just sensitive women which is why most entertainment is boring as shit now.
>it does make sense
because women don't make art
they imitate at best, but never innovate
art is intrinsically male
You're a broken record. Wah women this women that, you don't even talk to women, and you are lashing out. This is worse than autism.
>attacks the messenger instead of the message
no actual rebuttal sweetie? sad
>turbo autism
Cause movies are a male thing, music however is a female thing and caters to females
Same with video games being for males, and ballet/dancing being for woman
The original context
>shitty art style
>moronic opinion
>doesn't even take her own opinion seriously
>not funny or clever
why is she supposed to be relevant?
because feminazis took her seriously even though she's a butch dyke that resembles a man
bullshit aside, a sensible filmgoer should wonder why is it that so few movies pass that test, isn't it interesting, and could generate new content. not that hard a "test" on paper as the cartoon said: 2 females who talk to eachother at least once about something else than am an. pretty loose rules. and apparently its tricky.
How does he know it passes the test if he doesn't go see it?
>The Bechdel Test was just a joke
But anyone with a brain already knew this?
Who the frick wants to put restrictions on art like that?
Oh that's right, morons with agendas do
Shape what? You don't even know what the test is...
Yeah it’s just the internet is incentivized to blow any cute or novel sounding idea way past what it’s good for. There is something to the idea that female characters often don’t get scenes with other female characters that don’t revolve around male characters & how maybe it would be cool to show more of humanity with a focus on a broader group of ppl/experiences, but obviously just trying to pass the bechdel test is a silly incredibly crude way of doing that. Just remember that almost no one was actually ever taking it that seriously, it’s just the way our media landscape incentivizes the spread of ideas that I caught in the way that it did.
>Women gossiping about men
That's what they normally talk about though
it's not a horrible "test" though. i think if you do have female characters in your story and they:
1. play a significant role
2. are not entirely revolving around the protagonist in a cosmic chosen-one kind of way
3. exist in anything more than movie format
then they should definitely at least once have a conversation among women, for women, about something other than a male character. not particularly because of girlpower or anything, just simply the fact that if you're constantly bringing up your main character (who in said case is a male, doesn't matter either way) even when they're not around, you need to just jerk off to your protagonist and get it over with so some other characters get time to develop, or you need to get good at writing.
the actual explicit nature of "the bechdel test" is fricking moronic. doing the opposite and fitting in weird, unnecessary scenes of two women talking about buillshit that isn't at all about a male in any capacity "just cause" is even worse than the former issue.
That's quite difficult because in reality...most women's lives do indeed revolve around men. Sopranos, even if you don't like it, it's objectively top 20 TV shows of all time right? Carmella, husband to Tony and has no job of her own, her life in the entire show is getting mad at Tony for having extramarital affairs. I'm not calling her a bad character, that's just the life of a housewife. She talks to her psychiatrists about Tony's affairs, she talks to other wives about what their husbands might be up to when away. This is literally what women do in reality, have you ever talked to them?
There's a bit when she talks to Jeanie Cusamano about getting Jeanie's sister to write Meadow a letter of recommendation for a university. It's a really entertaining segment that goes on, and it's three women talking about something other than a man, and that's great. Really adds to the show. But after that it's back to business as usual.
you made the exact point i was gonna make in reply to you, only implicitly. women's lives do often revolve around men - but a good writer who is interested in trying to get some of this bechdel shit in will recognize this, and then ask, WHY? HOW?
why does the housewife stay with the cheating husband? what does she do in her free time? what does she like? what does she dislike? how does she cope with her husband's infidelity? she revolves around him but what does that entail, what is she doing behind the scenes?
if 2 women characters are both professional subordinates to a male main character, and they work for him, handle his paperwork and all clerical duties, and are also coincidentally both attracted to him - they would reasonably talk about him probably a lot when talking to each other. but now - what do they think of each other? HOW do they talk to EACH OTHER - ABOUT him? WHY do they put up with each other when they're essentially competing, both for top dog in their jobs, and beside the male MC romantically? HOW does their own dynamic with each other affect their relationship professionally and romantically with the MC? even "failing" the bechdel test can still create strong, female-oriented development and screen/page time when the "failure" is meant to insist upon traits/situations unique to the women, or the subject of the "failure" plays a role in these things
>then they should definitely at least once have a conversation among women,
Nope. This is not "definite" to a normal person. You're just a brainwashed liberal homosexual and didn't even know it.
frick are you on moron? if you have a cast of characters, and there are female characters, and these characters interact in 1 on 1 dialogues, then yes. you DEFINITELY will and should have two of the female cast talking to each other if the story warrants it. what the frick is abnormal about that? you're a fricking dumb Black person for calling me a liberal when i'm just smarter than you and actually understand the principles of story-craft. have a nice day you fricking moronic shit stain. the federal government has harassed me on my own property for calling for violence against all Black folk, israelites, and zogbots, and you have the fricking gall to call me that because i think women should be characters and not pit-bull eyed Black person lampshades standing in the background? FRICK. YOU. brainlet
Reminder that Barbie didn't pass this "test."
Doesn't Jack and Jill technically pass the Bechdel test?
Everyone with at least two brain cells knew this except neoliberals because they take everything literally, which is why Hollywood stopped making comedies when they took over.
is the joke that feminists are stupid?
That really was the joke but people are so stupid they took it seriously.
is that motherfricking chud? what a fricking legend
You guys ever read Fun Home or Are You My Mother? Two of the best graphic novels ever written. Sadly her namesake will go down as a throwaway daily gag she did in her college days. Wot a world.
Ever mess with the autism on this site?
https://bechdeltest.com/
The actual quote you c**ts
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/02/alison-bechdel-test-dykes-to-watch-out-for-cartoonist-interview
There's a dude named alison?
an entire phenotype dedicated to ruin western civilization
Honestly the prevalence of homosexuality amongst israelites gives me hope as their numbers shrink.
>The West has fallen
>Billions must die
>Hephzibah Anderson
Where the frick do they find those
>his
That is a "woman". She wrote a comic book about her living with her insane homosexual father, actually pretty good. Talks about how her father's neuroticism pushed her into being an OCD dyke. Totally recommend