no. and that's what is beautiful about it. there is too much trying to understand what is written as so common to severian that a visual medium would just ruin everything.
i've read the books twice and i'm pretty sure i understand it all but the point i was making is that a visual medium would just destroy half of the interesting prose in the book. also how do you capture an unreliable narrator on screen? it would undoubtedly be fricked with and knowing the current trends, thecla would be the hero, vodalus would be gay and black or something and agia would be trans.
sword of the lictor is actually the easiest one to adapt. it's picaresque and a straight forward hero journey that doesn't lean so hard into the "supernatural".
It's extremely obvious it's a sci-fi setting right out of the gate >walls of steel
Cmon, what else could it be?
said the book gives it away within pages.
Just because you were too stupid to pick up on the billion context clues throughout the books until the reveal happens doesn't mean there wasn't a billion context clues to let you know what was happening.
yea but you don't know that nessus is an old space port in the first few pages. statues as satellite dishes and army energy weapons aren't apparent immediately. i think it's lictor where severian mentions pikes that the sorcerer's camp had were of the ancient kind, not the energy infused kind city military uses. botns on screen kills so much of it.
the mystique of nessus on screen would get immediately destroyed.
Are you forgetting the literal aliens and spaceship? Forgetting the Albazo? Typhon?
yea but none of that is "supernatural", and i ironically quoted it. for instance, the moment severian holds up the claw in shadow or, again, his visit to the house absolute and the cumerean at the end of conciliator. there's no bizarro shit like that in lictor. typhon would be kind of shocking to be seen on screen though lol. they'd for sure have to rewrite that.
>the mystique of nessus on screen would get immediately destroyed.
It'd hinge on the photography. Good shots of the Citadel and the Wall can help bring out the other-worldliness of the city.
Uh I think right after the cave monkey part where he spares that lady's life again. IDK maybe it's because I jumped right into it after the first one and got burnt out
If you remove the narrative lens and the language Wolfe uses to describe the world, you lose the entire point of the story. The setting isn't very interesting on its own, its his language that elevates it.
Maybe you could find a screenwriter/director who could make a film equivalent, but anyone talented enough to adapt BOTNS would be better off making their own original film instead.
>If you remove the narrative lens and the language Wolfe uses to describe the world, you lose the entire point of the story. The setting isn't very interesting on its own, its his language that elevates it
It would still an interesting setting if adapted properly, just less interesting. I think an old school Heavy Metal inspired hand animated movie would be able to capture the aesthetic, but seeing it all laid out as is without being filtered through a magical fantasy narrative lens would flatten the experience somewhat.
I've only read Solar Cycle and Latro, the latter of which I enjoyed but felt heavily filtered by due to not having an extensive knowledge of Greek history and mythos.
What are some other top Wolfe-kinos?
outside of solar cycle(absolutely brilliant) and latro, which you've read, there's wizard knight, fifth head of cerberus and peace. strange travelers and island of dr death are my picks from his short story collections. those are basically the kinos. everything else is good but not wolfe's top form.
no. and that's what is beautiful about it. there is too much trying to understand what is written as so common to severian that a visual medium would just ruin everything.
Wait you guys have trouble understanding this homosexual too? I thought it was only my ESL ass.
i've read the books twice and i'm pretty sure i understand it all but the point i was making is that a visual medium would just destroy half of the interesting prose in the book. also how do you capture an unreliable narrator on screen? it would undoubtedly be fricked with and knowing the current trends, thecla would be the hero, vodalus would be gay and black or something and agia would be trans.
There is no story here. Gene was style over story.
Not without copious amounts of CGI, which will just take the magic off everything. And I doubt people will like the constant orange filter.
no film can't do much better than children's books
Shadow of The Torturer should be easy to adapt. It has three well defined arcs and ends with a cool fight. It's a pretty self-contained story too.
sword of the lictor is actually the easiest one to adapt. it's picaresque and a straight forward hero journey that doesn't lean so hard into the "supernatural".
Are you forgetting the literal aliens and spaceship? Forgetting the Albazo? Typhon?
Lictor is so good. Just the Dorcas reveal makes it fantastic.
No, the sci-fi background will be immediately spoiled.
The sci-fi background is immediately spoiled within the first two chapters if you're actually paying attention to what you're reading.
It's purposefully obtuse. The mystery of it is what's enthralling.
>It's purposefully obtuse
as
said the book gives it away within pages.
Just because you were too stupid to pick up on the billion context clues throughout the books until the reveal happens doesn't mean there wasn't a billion context clues to let you know what was happening.
It wasn't a difficult read, stop projecting, you insufferable pseud.
yea but you don't know that nessus is an old space port in the first few pages. statues as satellite dishes and army energy weapons aren't apparent immediately. i think it's lictor where severian mentions pikes that the sorcerer's camp had were of the ancient kind, not the energy infused kind city military uses. botns on screen kills so much of it.
You may have a point. I still think it's pretty enjoyable even without the 'mistery'. Or it can be shot without making it obvious what stuff is.
It's extremely obvious it's a sci-fi setting right out of the gate
>walls of steel
Cmon, what else could it be?
the mystique of nessus on screen would get immediately destroyed.
yea but none of that is "supernatural", and i ironically quoted it. for instance, the moment severian holds up the claw in shadow or, again, his visit to the house absolute and the cumerean at the end of conciliator. there's no bizarro shit like that in lictor. typhon would be kind of shocking to be seen on screen though lol. they'd for sure have to rewrite that.
>the mystique of nessus on screen would get immediately destroyed.
It'd hinge on the photography. Good shots of the Citadel and the Wall can help bring out the other-worldliness of the city.
I liked the first book but I just can't get into the second one :/
filtered. where did you end it at? from house of absolute to the destroyed town it's just so bizarre i don't know how you could not finish it.
Uh I think right after the cave monkey part where he spares that lady's life again. IDK maybe it's because I jumped right into it after the first one and got burnt out
If you remove the narrative lens and the language Wolfe uses to describe the world, you lose the entire point of the story. The setting isn't very interesting on its own, its his language that elevates it.
Maybe you could find a screenwriter/director who could make a film equivalent, but anyone talented enough to adapt BOTNS would be better off making their own original film instead.
I think it's pretty interesting and only seem derivative because so many works have borrowed from it
>If you remove the narrative lens and the language Wolfe uses to describe the world, you lose the entire point of the story. The setting isn't very interesting on its own, its his language that elevates it
It would still an interesting setting if adapted properly, just less interesting. I think an old school Heavy Metal inspired hand animated movie would be able to capture the aesthetic, but seeing it all laid out as is without being filtered through a magical fantasy narrative lens would flatten the experience somewhat.
pure reddit trash
wizard knight is probably the easier adaptation of wolfe's "great works". i think the guy is magnificent is just about everything he wrote though.
I've only read Solar Cycle and Latro, the latter of which I enjoyed but felt heavily filtered by due to not having an extensive knowledge of Greek history and mythos.
What are some other top Wolfe-kinos?
outside of solar cycle(absolutely brilliant) and latro, which you've read, there's wizard knight, fifth head of cerberus and peace. strange travelers and island of dr death are my picks from his short story collections. those are basically the kinos. everything else is good but not wolfe's top form.
Probably not.
But damn the Undine scene would probably be kino
who would win?
Could Villeneuve adapt it?
5HoC would be quite kino as well