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what is up and why should i care
so we endorse e-celeb wienersucking now, i see
of course. why wouldn't it?
Is the show really better?
The comic is garbage, but the show is STILL worse.
Not at all.
This is advertising for the tv show in case you didn't notice.
There are some things on the show that seem like an improvement but across the board it seems more directionless and illogical than the book, and that's a feat
Of course. It's a very low bar.
Technically yes, but the comic was simply edgy anti-hero. The show is straight up "white men bad". Some social reject may try to gaslight and say otherwise, but when people behind it are also openly "white men bad" in real life, then you would be one stupid c**t to think otherwise.
It's really tough to say. There are a couple stories that are as good or better than the boys in that edgy 2000s flavor. Planetary is really nice.
But there really isn't anything on TV like the boys.
Planetary isn’t really edgy-2000s, except for the Jack Carter issue, which was really just mocking the tendency of ‘British Invasion’ writers to frick with simple, classic heroes who they felt were boring.
If anything, Planetary is a profoundly optimistic work.
I meant more in the way how they were both deconstructionist works that pick apart at the genre. The boys is just one of several comics in the 2000s that did it well.
I would love to see a Planetary show on HBO max.
>But there really isn't anything on TV like the boys
peacemaker aired literally a few months ago
No.
no way to much filler and it's way to corporate
Nah. The comic was self-indulgent and over the top. Leashing it with corporate mandates and progressivism kills everything that was enjoyable about the comic. If you turn up your nose to the comic because you think you're too good for it, you're not likely to like the show any better.
better than terrible is still bad though
If you don’t want to watch the video:
>Didn’t know about the comic until the show was announced, decided to read the entirety of it before the show came out.
>Finds the comic too edgy for edge’s sake
>Doesn’t think the comic is a clever deconstruction like Watchmen, believes it’s just more of Ennis’ manifesto of his hatred of superheroes
>Believes it’s too formulaic, with The Boys meeting an obvious parody of a superhero and then finding out their degenerate secret, and then The Boys kill them
>Believes the show has more complex heroes, and that Ennis makes them all irredeemable in the comic to an unrealistic degree
>Believes the show’s characters not having V gives it more tension then the comic, where they all have V and can kill superheroes without much problems.
>Thinks Homelander is much more expanded on in the show.
>Hates the comics ending with the Black Noir twist and Butcher killing everyone
Overall agreeable, but Homelander being gaslighted by his clone was a kinda great idea and no V for the Boys had the show on their part spinning its wheels in the dirt for 3 seasons now because they have to practically each time hope Female or Starlight save their ass from most Supes. Arguably not gicing every supes near invulnerability also was a bad move in that regard.
>>Didn’t know about the comic until the show was announced, decided to read the entirety of it before the show came out.
literally me, the first season made me want to read the comic, but after I read first 20 issues I immediately came to hate the show for missing the point of its source material
the comic too edgy for edge’s sake
The show has a close up in the gay man's dick, so...
>believes it’s just more of Ennis’ manifesto of his hatred of superheroes
yes, that is the point
but not everyone is an edgy 12 year old who finds Ennis funny anon.
>>Didn’t know about the comic until the show was announced, decided to read the entirety of it before the show came out.
Good for him I gues
the comic too edgy for edge’s sake
What a thin skinned homosexual
’t think the comic is a clever deconstruction like Watchmen, believes it’s just more of Ennis’ manifesto of his hatred of superheroes
Of course its not Watchmen, does he think its trying to be?
it’s too formulaic, with The Boys meeting an obvious parody of a superhero and then finding out their degenerate secret, and then The Boys kill them
Plenty of shit happens inbetween, but I guess those parts dont matter
the show has more complex heroes, and that Ennis makes them all irredeemable in the comic to an unrealistic degree
The whole appeal of the comic is being agast at corporate pred superheros pretending to be something their not while acting out all their desires as an actual human with god like powers and access to just about anything the corporation is willing to buy them, these are people mostly either created and brought up from childhood to be super stars with no equal or carefully selected pieces of shit who will go along with the facade enjoying the fricked up lifestyle on the side as they rob the braindead masses with merch ect. No nice person is going to sign up for this and survive long without dying, being dropped or ending up damaged physically or mentally.
the show’s characters not having V gives it more tension then the comic, where they all have V and can kill superheroes without much problems.
And that sure turned out amazingly didnt it.
Homelander is much more expanded on in the show.
Subjective, I have no interest in ever learning more about the show iteration than I already have
the comics ending with the Black Noir twist and Butcher killing everyone
Of course he would, I wonder what this moron would replace it with instead.
The whole appeal of the comic is Ennis seething and malding about superheroes you moron. There it no depth whatsoever you coping shit brain. Go back to reedit you manchild dumb shit.
tell me you've never read ennis without telling me you've never read ennis
Sounded pretty damn accurate to me
go back
people who put "tell me you never X without telling me you've never X" have a special place in the deepest part of hell
Kirby fought in the war and got fricked over by superheroes. Whose side are you on?
Who are you even taking to?
Eh, the comic is literally "what if superheros, but they're rapists and degenerates?" Not that the show is some masterpiece, but at least Homelander has more to his character than sexually assaulting women.
>but at least Homelander has more to his character than sexually assaulting women.
Sup reddit
How did you get that past the filter?
Is reddit still filtered?
>Eh, the comic is literally "what if superheros, but they're rapists and degenerates?"
You mean, "what if superheroes, but they act like actual corporate people?" because every evil action they is the exact same thing rich corpos do and get away with.
>Not that the show is some masterpiece, but at least Homelander has more to his character than sexually assaulting women.
Homelander is way more nuanced in the comic because Noir framing and other incidents turned him worse than what he was. He didn't start off how he ended he was changed over the course by vought
No its "What if corporate greed ran rampant and threw its allready nonexistant ethics in the wind as they began manufacturing super humans as products, infecting regular folks on purpose and sometimes by accident in hopes of picking up the ones who didnt turn into a pile of tumors to use to promote their money making scams and potentially make even more money later on as they get to move supers into the armed forces and the only people out to stop them are a team of ageants systematically toppling this monster even the people at the top arent really in control of if it werent for the fact that they pamper every single one of their freaks with sex, drugs and whatever the frick that comes into their hedonistic brains."
Cope
>Line by Line response
frick off
Overall I agree with his points, except for the twist, I kinda liked it, but no Butcher going crazy for little to no reason
>Overall I agree with his points
Then you're a gay
I'm sorry anon, but being edgy doesn't equal good
So the TV Series is also bad
Yes
>NOOOO YOU CANT ENJOY EDGEY THINGS, THINGS NEED TO BE CUTE AND SIMPLE
>FUN THINGS ARE FUN BUT IN MY VERY NARROW PERSPECTIVE AND HAS TO PLEASE MY VERY SENSITIVE MIND
>IM GONNA TROON
Every time
>Didn’t know about the comic until the show was announced, decided to read the entirety of it before the show came out.
I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit right here.
That’s what he said.
I know other people like that too. Didn’t hear about it until the show was announced.
Maybe he said it but i still doubt it.Most that do so ,do so in order to land credence to their shit opinion.
Nobody that read a book before it became a movie says the movie is better because that's not how it fricking works and if they do they are either liars or listened to an audiobook of it which isn't the same as actually reading it.
>Nobody that read a book before it became a movie says the movie is better because that's not how it fricking works
He actually brings that up
>"You know when book readers have their favorite novel adapted and then swear until their dying breath that the book was better than the adaptation? This is the exact opposite of that."
>>Didn’t know about the comic until the show was announced, decided to read the entirety of it before the show came out.
Same
the comic too edgy for edge’s sake
...fair enough. 2000s edge porn is a bit of a dated genre
’t think the comic is a clever deconstruction like Watchmen, believes it’s just more of Ennis’ manifesto of his hatred of superheroes
Its not trying to be a cLeVeR dEcOnStRuCtIoN, its trying to be edge porn
it’s too formulaic, with The Boys meeting an obvious parody of a superhero and then finding out their degenerate secret, and then The Boys kill them
That happens like... twice?
the show has more complex heroes, and that Ennis makes them all irredeemable in the comic to an unrealistic degree
I dunno, seems to miss the point if you ask me but fair enough?
the show’s characters not having V gives it more tension then the comic, where they all have V and can kill superheroes without much problems.
I didnt watch the show but again, seems to miss the point
Homelander is much more expanded on in the show.
Giving him a mommy fetish instead of a daddy fetish isnt development, its just stealing the black guy's entire character
the comics ending with the Black Noir twist and Butcher killing everyone
But that was good, its a conclusive ending that manages to have an interesting twist and end on a reflection of how senseless ultraviolence and total obsession is ultimately not a good lifestyle. It wraps up the entire comic perfectly
I’m hoping the show has the balls to do a similar ending and have everyone killed.
They wont, but it doesnt hurt to dream
>...fair enough. 2000s edge porn is a bit of a dated genre
I don't think it gets enough credit that it deserves, People forget the indie era of comics in the 80s and 90s and how hyperviolence and hypersexuality was used to sell the satire. 2000's edgeporn is in itself a deconstruction of that over the top genre. which in itself was also a deconstruction and rebellion against the grain.
>Its not trying to be a cLeVeR dEcOnStRuCtIoN, its trying to be edge porn
Garth Ennis has always toed the line between deconstructionism and edge porn. It really comes down to what you feel about him as a writer. I am more on the side that he's probably one of the few deconstructionist writers that could actually sell it with humor. Most people would probably enjoy warren ellis more from that era.
it's a miracle that the boys was never cancelled. It never had a very high print run.
>I think Ennis is gay, because every fricking superhero is either gay or bi, and the whole first arc resolves gayness.
It hasn't aged well but it's pretty standard for it's genre. It's outrageous, it's in your face, it's amusing. It is supposed to feel like one big hyperbolic metaphor.
At the time it was a pretty big deal IRL too in the early 2000s, seemed like every other day a pastor or conservative congressman would be caught with a twink prostitute and a baggie of meth. That sort of hypocrisy was a big deal back then.
this. There is a reason that the only girl on the team was called "the female". At it's core the boys was about how men are made, broken, healed- and all the creepy levels in between best told through the metaphor of power in all it's possible forms- and how it's wielded.
>Garth Ennis has always toed the line between deconstructionism and edge porn. It really comes down to what you feel about him as a writer. I am more on the side that he's probably one of the few deconstructionist writers that could actually sell it with humor. Most people would probably enjoy warren ellis more from that era.
If you ask me and most people he's a good example of someone who 1.Needs to be given restraints in some areas. 2. Works better on certain types of stories(My War Gone By rules)
cont.
>Browses reddit
Honestly he's not wrong. It's blatantly just a way for the author to scream "Man I fricking HATE superhero comics". The only supes that aren't degenerate pieces of garbage are mentally moronic cripples. Very on the nose.
>The only supes that aren't degenerate pieces of garbage are mentally moronic cripples. Very on the nose.
Right because those are the people who read superhero comics.
Ironically, the reality is that the people complaining about superhero comics a lot come off more like that, moreso than the superhero comics readers.
>hates the twist
aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's shit
the video is shit
>black noir twist
please explain it to me
Black Noir was a clon of Homelander the whole time, made to kill him in case he became evil. Tired of waiting, he disguised himself as Homelander to do a lot of horrible things, including raping Butcher's wife, and then send photos of that to Homelander, so he could snap and lose it at the thought of him doing that atrocities without being able to remember them.
And like that, Black Noir could finally get the order to kill Homelander.
Black Noir isn't not-Batman
He's not-Bizarro
Black Noir was a near identical clone of Homelander who was set up next to him to murder him if Homelander ever went rogue. Having spent decades waiting for him to snap made him lose his patience and thus he committed atrocities while pretending to be Homelander in hopes of Vought finally giving him the green light to kill Homelander. Homelander has seen those pictures of him doing those things and even started to think he was going insane since he couldn't remember the shit he did in them.
>Black Noir was a near identical clone of Homelander who was set up next to him to murder him if Homelander ever went rogue. Having spent decades waiting for him to snap made him lose his patience and thus he committed atrocities while pretending to be Homelander in hopes of Vought finally giving him the green light to kill Homelander. Homelander has seen those pictures of him doing those things and even started to think he was going insane since he couldn't remember the shit he did in them.
and this is why the various race grifters hate this twist, it makes homelander a victim and the c**ts making the show wanted him to be the villain
Homelander sure as frick was not a victim in the comics, guy was a complete shitbag.
The twist doesn't make sense since Vought never thought "I wonder if the reason Homelander can't remember any of this is that the clone did it". They should have realised what was wrong even if Homelander didn't.
Also the concept of making a clone to kill the original if the original goes rogue is dumb as frick because then what are you going to do if the clone goes rogue too? Which is what happened.
The clone was infinitely more killable by virtue of not being able to fly.
What? No the clone was absolutely able to fly, they just pretended it didn't to hide how it was an Homelander clone. The first hint about him being more than what he seemed was literally that he "fell" from the airplane and then turned up in the ground without any sort of damage and without anybody knowing how he did do that.
And if I remember wrong and he didn't... then the plan was even dumber because all Homelander had to do to survive him was to fly away.
Going by the fact that when he actually went for Homelander it resulted in him coming out of it torn to shreds i would guess the idea was that they take each other out.
Yes, and what if he decided he didn't want to kill Homelander?
Stupid
You know, the Noir twist is only cool in the sense that it you have to completely and utterly turn your brain off for it to work.
Noir being a perfect clone of and also the killswitch for Homelander would only make sense if:
>Homelander just never ever got curious of Noir's identity
>Never looked at his face or body with X-rays
>Vaught just had the ability to make a seemingly docile, obedient, and physically superior copy of their strongest and most deadly asset and just let it roam free, despite there being so many other Supes that were already alive that could have functioned the same like Stormfront
>They have no possible contingencies for this contingency, leading to an even bigger monster
>Despite everyone clearly seeing that Homelander is off the fricking deep-end, they never actually utilized their failsafe, at all, even when things went to absolute shit despite spending millions upon millions on making Noir [spoiler/]
That's so fricking stupid.
>another midwit moron that got too filtered by the usual Ennis shock value to appreciate the commentary on soulless corporate culture, the fact it takes the piss out of Ultimate Marvel, the genuinely great Butcher final boss twist and more
The thing is that the comic does a lot of stupid lowbrow shit, but it also has much more satisfying climaxes to its story arcs and resolves stuff in ways that leave you with good closure. The finale to both S2 and S3 of the show have been, respectively, forgettable and dogshit, so I'll take the gross Ennis shit any day of the week if it means that the story arc doesn't shit the bed completely.
Also, the social commentary in S3 sucks wiener and comes off like it was written by a generic Twitter white girl that had a meltdown at Trump winning and never got over it.
What is office guy's deal?
He's James Stillwell, the tv show split him into Stan Edgar (his personality) and Madelyn Stillwell (his position in the company and name, but female)
He's spent his entire career tard wrangling Vought and making it the success it is today in spite of their long long LONG history of frick ups. It only gets to him in the very end when the R&D guys still try to fricking sell superheroes except literally dressed up in all white like fricking klan members after all that's happened. He probably feels like the only sane person inside a mansion full of mentally ill morons.
Its a wonder Vought hasn't crashed and burned long before he took the charge
The issue detailing Vought's failure prone history really highlights how comically incompetent they are. I'd laugh if it wasn't for how many deaths they caused along the way.
>the social commentary in S3 sucks wiener
I'm glad you congays finally got the point that YOU are the object of ridicule.
The show is absolutely worse off for not having this dude. Most other stuff I can take or leave but this guy works super well as the stoic emotionless suit. He literally couldn't give if you paid him.
They do have a version of that dude.
God, I hate that fricking actor.
They just shove him everywhere expecting him to do yet another boring Gus Fring impression even though Mike was a vastly better antagonist on that show.
He's a boring one-trick pony and his one trick wasn't that good to begin with.
>He's a boring one-trick pony and his one trick wasn't that good to begin with.
He's actually a very good actor with a good range, it's just that by now he's been typecasted.
How would you know his range if he's constantly being typecasted?
Because he has been acting for more or less twenty years before interpreting Gustavo Fring and he started being typecasted prevalently only after that role.
his one trick is kino
>the commentary on soulless corporate culture
It's complete fricking softball criticism of corporation. Everything he says about corporations has been said since the 70s, and it's all wrapped up in a corporation so blatantly and obviously evil and incompetent that it's a slapstick cartoon that doesn't step on anyone's toes. It's also 60 issues of complaining about the Dubya administration (Stilwell is actually based on Dick Cheney). The only genuinely good part is Ennis deconstructing his own favorite character archetype in Butcher. It's an overrated comic with an overrated adaptation.
He's right
He's wrong
Id have to agree with this.
why?
Because I agree with his points except for the twist at the end. That was actually kinda interesting. I always thought Ennis is edgy for edgys sake.
>Believes the show’s characters not having V gives it more tension then the comic
I liked the idea too until they started with the blackmail shit.
>Believes the show has more complex heroes, and that Ennis makes them all irredeemable in the comic to an unrealistic degree
>Hates the comics ending with the Black Noir twist and Butcher killing everyone
shit
I always took The Boys as a comedic edgy superhero parody
I agree with most of this but I also agree that taking the edge out of the boys is honestly robbing it of any bite. The comic is just wall to wall piss and shit and cursing and sex and gore and it feels like it was written by a 15 year old with daddy issues, but if you take all of that out, then it doesn't really have anything to really grab you.
I feel like he doesn't understand ennis at all.
dumbass
Who understands Ennis?
He actually said that when he read the comic (Which he did before the show came out) he thought it was fine. He just thinks the show does a lot better with the characters and settings.
He also said the show wasn't perfect, partly because of how on the nose it can be with its satire.
He literally has no argument for why the twist is bad just that
>the plot twist..... is a surprise!
What a fricking homosexual
>He literally has no argument for why the twist is bad
But he did? He thought Homelander’s fall into madness would have been more interesting if it was a genuine one like it is in the show instead of something he was tricked into. You can disagree with that, but that’s pretty clearly an argument.
>But he did? He thought Homelander’s fall into madness would have been more interesting if it was a genuine one like it is in the show instead of something he was tricked into. You can disagree with that, but that’s pretty clearly an argument.
That's the point of it, because reality is subjective by what we can actually remember and we create our character out of those experiences Homelander did fall into madness. It's purely genuine right up to the point where it turns out someone crafted a narrative for him to do so. He's every bit as crazy as Black Noir made him out to be, whether he wants to be or not. Even after the reveal what changes? He's still attacked the white house and people will demand someone pay for it.
troony cope
>Ennis’ manifesto of his hatred of superheroes
He isn't wrong
>Edgy for edgy sake
This might be the one of the few times ever the term is used accurately but I still hate seeing it copy pasted everywhere in show bs comic comparisons online.
I also just dislike this term because this was how I’ve heard my friends describe berserk
the twist is literally a deus ex machina to redeem homelander, and if you like it or think it's interesting you're a low iq fatass
True
Redeem Homelander? If anything, it made him worse for doing so much fricked up shit just because he saw video footage of someone who looked like him doing it. Everything he did might have served some kind of purpose before that point, but then it turned out he was just moronic all along. How is that any kind of redemption?
Even more because in an universe of superpowered people you are telling me he never even once thought "there is someone that can shapeshift that is trying to frame me"?
Butcher killing everyone is absolute kino and the entire point of the series. The show can never do this properly now. It also undercut his feud with Homelander by making Butcher a seething cuck raising his wife's son. The show is pathetic. The first few episodes of the show are good. By the end of s1 it's already fricked up any potential it has and this degradation continues and even accelerates as the later seasons have been released.
>My wives son.
This again?
Said the CGI gorilla while his hand was in his chin pondering
His name is Optimus Primal you goddamn wastoid show some respect
Never read the comic, watched the first season of show after being pestered by some friends and honestly it was just okay.
Jewtubers are not a comic or cartoon
I only skimmed throe the comic but yeah I don't really see the appeal of every last super being a absolute psycho. even when the point is to see them die I didn't find it exciting when every character was so boring or just stupid.
frick off shill
The comic was just another anti-bush story
But did he read Dear Becky?
Listen to the first season of the Blowback Podcast and learn about the Iraq War, zoomer.
Anon just wanted to make the thread better
God, Budd Root is my fricking hero. No porn artist I've found has ever come close to drawing girls as sexy as he drew Cavewoman.
Ever heard of Eleuteri Serpieri?
On a side note: i swear to God that if i ever run across that Black person that is responsible for the webp format i'm gonna make him look like a re-uploaded and re-downloaded 10 year old jpeg
why is garth ennis such an incel?
Doesn’t he have kids?
No but he is married
>The show is better
I'd say worse, which I didn't think possible with how low the bar was. Season 1 was fine but, it quickly devolved into inconsequential plot twist that held no weight to the story whatsoever as it would always reverse to the status quo. Nothing ever changes, there is never progress. The moment you think it's going to take a different route, it cycles right back through some abrupt change of heart. It is just so apparent the show is being milked dry for all it's got and the writing reflects that painfully. I fail to see how it improves on anything the comics did.
The Boys comic art is so fricking boring to look at.
That mid 00's semi realistic, widescreen comic, overly render coloring trash.
The art is terrible. With a proper artist team/artist and a good editor, it actually would have been a decent comic.
Marshal Law is great.
It's like shitty version of Steve Dillon, Steve Dillon art always fun to look at even with some these issues.
People always say this, but I like the second artist's lineart.
Who was it?
I mean the main problem here is that the show tries to uphold some kind of status quo where even though Homelander now knows each member of the Boys, and he's killed, maimed, or tortured people for a lot less, he still inexplicably lets them live each time after they've tried to kill him. He doesn't even go after their families, or their jobs, or even send Vought after them.
You can only wave the lame "I'll blow your ass up on INSTAGRAM" so many times before it just feels like an edgy sitcom.
The Boys was done better 35 years ago.
Marshal Law?
I thought that was a parody of Dredd?
>thought it was a parody of a parody
Yes
Acting like this was a prototype of The Boys sells it short.
Even though Marshal Law is straighter to the point and less of a slog, it's content has a lot more breadth than The Boys.
In fact it does a great job taking shots at other reactionary edgy heroes. It was pretty much already making fun of the kind of comic The Boys ended up being.
The only thing Marshall Law does better is the art style, the story is about as weak as the Boys without any of the standout moments.
There are some parts of the marshall law that were horrible, but I feel like it was better plotted than the boys.
It's more straightforward but all the characters are boring. The Boys might be messily plotted but it has a handful of standout arcs and character moments that are sorely lacking in Marshal Law. Hell, the only moment that I can even really remember is pic related.
I love this comic and it's art style that I happily own all issues of it's original run. I understand why he looks like a nazi gimp from the graphic novel that I also own but I forgot if he made Marshal Law in response not just to criticize super heroes in general but to also shit on the Comic Code Authority.
just bought the first 3 omnibuses and halfway through the first one
The art tis fricking terrible. As in pure amateur tier. Characters look totally different from panel to panel ffs.
I think Ennis is gay, because every fricking superhero is either gay or bi, and the whole first arc resolves gayness. The dude is utterly obsessed with it. This comic reads like a an edge 12 year old wrote it. If superhero's are inherently juvenile, Ennis manages to make them even more childish through his shitty writing.
The only redeeming thing is the overall premise and setup
>Bread tuber pretending they read comics when they only watch Disney, Funimation English dubs and nickelodeon
Most popular bread tuber Vaush a self becalmed communist with 40K worth of funko pop and anime dolls.
Don't forget he a pedo too.
Cinemaphile autists seething that the Cinemaphile show is better than the ugly overly edgy comic
Seems just as bad as the comic to me
The show is overly edgy and raunchy too. As a whole, it's just more reddit-friendly.
It's a low bar the show manages to not go over.
Invincible and The Boys are both superior to the comics.
Probably never gonna watch the show but I am curious how they handle Mother's Milk and the Asian girl.
Their powers are much more tied to their origins than the rest of the Boys so without them what characters do they have left in the show?
MM is a normie but they did transfer his titty milk thing to Homelander.
Kimiko was rescued from human traffickers. Her and her brother were both dosed by Japanese (?) freedom fighters. They were assassins.
Holy shit when did PointlessHub get so popular? He’s not super to be popular, he’s my escapist entertainment. Frick off all of you.
The only people who say the show is better than the comics are people who love capeshit but who don't like the fact the N bomb dropped so many times.
That sounds like Cody
The comic was edgy shlock (Just like everything written by Ennis) but at least it had a coherent plot structure and actually ended.
The show is a disjointed mess of half baked ideas and inconsistent characters which has been spinning it's wheels since season 1.
On top of still being edgy shlock.
The comic was kind of one note.
Black Noir twist is literally the only good thing in the comic
I never watched or read the boys, I knew homelander was the strongest guy and it's just misery porn of looking at him doing horrible shit until the ending, So I skipped to it.
The ending is homelander taunting a broody-gruff guy wearing all black that you just *know* is an author self insert, then a shapeshifter enters and reveals that he basically had very humiliating things happen to him as a smear campaign, But plot twist, he enjoyed being raped. The line "we turned you into a psychopath" is spoken unironically. There's a 2 panel fight scene where homelander gets injured, but not fatally.
Cut to a bunch of superheros planning to raid a building, then the army proceeds to massacre them in a way that would make china blush, and they have a fun time doing it. The heros don't even fight back for extra pity points.
Shapeshifter enters scene and he killed homelander offscreen, before getting shot by regular guns and dying. Author insert scoops up part of his brain containing a traumatic event and destroys it symbolically, Before brooding about how he's a monster, Because heroism...Is bad. The End.
This is genuinely horrible. Even if I read this when I was 12 I'd think this is edge with no substance. Imagine reading the entire series only for the antagonist to die offscreen.
your rant is going to be really hard to take seriously if you start it with "I haven't read or watched it."
More than anything I'm just confused as to why people like it. It's so overtly terrible and done for shock value that I don't understand how someone could feasibly enjoy it, Even as an edgy teen (Which I'm assuming is everyone itt)
>everyone itt
almost everyone shares your sentiment though?
He's not a shapeshifter, just a clone. The twist is still kind of stupid though, I'm glad they got rid of it for the show. I'm still not a fan of them leaning so hard into the MAGA shit for Homelander but Starr can still act the hell out of it so I'll stay cautiously optimistic for the next season.
Will superheroes ever stop living rent free in Garth Ennis' head? Why does he even keep writing about them if he hates them so much. Go write something else you actually enjoy.
Even Alan Moore moved on doing pulp stuff and such.
It's a pretty bad video.
>There's no message or subtext
There clearly is.
>The show is smart because it ties it into the corrupting power of celebrity
Book already does it pretty overtly, honestly.
>Homelander is so much more interesting in the show, He gets to be a really good villain
He's supposed to be sucky and sleazy. He's not supposed to be an entertaining, shameless villain, he's supposed to be a pathetic slimeball. Part of the point of the boys is that this issue isn't specific to homelander, it's part of the package deal of how people with influence and power act in america where they'll never be held accountable. He says that Homelander is ultimately no different from any other scumbag super like it's some unintentional flaw when it's like the entire point of the ending.
He's pretty much right about the excessive edge and depravity coming off as offputting and unnecessary, but it works for the tone of the book decently enough, I think.
The comic is bad the show is worse
I can't really see how people could miss the point of the comic so hard.
the point of the comic is super hero bad
>n-nooo it was actually always le toxic masculinity because one character said so!!!
Only good part of the ending
Butcher has this stupid smile in like 90% of the comic and it bothers me, like the artist legit can't draw more than one face per person
Butcher being this always smiling, fresh faced lump of id reminds me of some old British boys comic strips like their Dennis the Menace. I thought that was partially intentional.
Any adult man who still lets people call him Billy instead of William is guaranteed to be pathetic, a psycho, or both. So the comic is true to life if nothing else.
I still think my favorite arc of the comic is Super Duper. While the team is obviously mostly just sheltered babies and actually mentally handicapped, I like that Ennis finally shows that there's supes who aren't complete buttholes, while also having an butthole super take advantage of them. Hughie gets to show his bleeding heart side, and it foreshadows Butcher's scorched earth policy. Not only because he's suspicious of Hughie but also because he's about an inch away from killing a room full of innocent people just because they're supers. It also shows that Hughie is necessary to talk him down and give him humanity, something he claimed his brother and wife did for him.
i hate how fringe internet troony garbage is unironically getting acknowledged by tv show runners. morons are unironically conflating ideology homosexualry with "artistic depth" and think that scores a point above the comic. literal midwit shit
What is Ennis backstory? What made him like that?
what makes trannies go the extra mile to ruin the storytelling medium with didactic virtue signal cringe?
Like what? He's just a bloke tellin jokes.
IRA ran a train in his mom
She loved it.
Middle class northern irish person who grew up in a Unionist house, but he's also a commie frickwit like most middle class manchildren.
So he hates the UK and authority, but absolutely sucks the wiener of soldiers and authority he approves of
>who grew up in a Unionist house
He did? I always thought with characters like Cassidy from Preacher he was from a Republican household?
The comic is good but also lots of the critiques are correct and I understand people who can't stand the Ennis-ness
Has Ennis said anything about them making Soldier Boy an actual character and not just a joke/him getting mad about superheroes in war comics?
"Oi, super 'ero's 're just a buncha right poofs! Now I gotta write me a comic 'bout some big dicked 'ard lads in trench coats an' jack off 'bout soljas, guvnah!" - Garth Ennis, prtavknobably
You forgot the hating religion but avoiding Islam like the plague part.
I haven't seen Season 3 yet but from what I heard they basically merged Soldier Boy with the comic's version of Stormfront, even keeping the twist of Homelander being made from his DNA
why do you homosexuals care what an e-celeb thinks?
I fricking hate e-celebs.
I watched a few clips of this shit show just to see what they've done with my boy Love Sausage this season and now my recommendations are full of "this show is brilliant and here's why" essays by chucklefricks who never touched any piece of media in the life that wasn't capeshit.
Truly the worst of the worst.
I'm so tired of people saying this shit. The Boys comic is not good but neither is the show. They are both as awful as each other, but at least the comic is fun in it's insane brutality. The show is just boring. And the worst part is that half the people who push this narrative of the comic being worse haven't even read the fricking comic. I'm so tired of people.
Trump bashing is still popular
I don't mind the comic but I do agree that The Boys themselves in the comic due feel better in the show.
Butcher specially since do agree in the comics he feels way too much like Ennis' self-insert.
I do disagree on mostly everything else tho
TV butcher (all of the boys really) is one of the most worthless characters in all of fictionand they wasted Urban doing it. I've never seen a protagonist fail so hard in every single goal and motivation established whilst being so fricking boring plus he's such a grimy little pimp too. These writers are embarrassing and don't just lack self awareness they lack experience and humanity to a degree.
>grimy little pimp
What?
The show isn't much better. Marshal Law and Brat Pack did this better.
Both having much better art and designs is the real cruncher.
I liked comic Butcher and Stillwell.
Russ Braun
>The show is better
Let me guess, because it's appealing to your progressive politics?
Both the comic and the show are inane, nihilistic homosexualry in which no character is even slightly likeable. Why bother with either?
Based
It's not even that hard to make likeable, nuanced characters. Honestly, I'll never understand why people insist on making every character a complete scumfrick when they want to make a 'grey' setting.
Well, I know why, it's because making decent people who disagree is hard and requires you to write the side you don't like as actually having some humanity or decency, far easier to write everyone as a shithead than to write everyone as a human being.
The show is fricking awful. What a cucked opinion, no I didn't watch the video. Yes you should be banned for advertising.
Does Kessler show up in the show or an equivalent to him?
I agree with most of what he says but I have to wonder if show Homelander would be as beloved as he is of it wasn’t for Antony Starr’s performance
I haven't watched the show or read the comic or watched this guys video but personally I think comic>show. Mostly just because I sort of think those Indians who thought cameras steal your soul were right and I dont think man's image should be captured on film like that.
the show completely missed the point of the comic in that vaught is the real big bad not homelander he is a problem but he's not the cause
Aren't they still setting up Vought as the main villain with Stan Edgar?
Comics has unnecessary edginess but it at least knows what it wanted to do with the characters, had a clear plot without wasting time, and was actually funny sometimes.
Now that you finally realize The Boys is shit, when will you realize Crossed is shit?
When it gets an adaptation
Is Crossed the most unadaptable comic ever?
depends how you want to adapt it
I mean in any way that doesn't just sanitize it in just an average zombie story
now there's going to be a literal zoomer spinoff
considering the spinoff is set at a college that makes sense
The beautiful hapa daughter from Brockmire left this dumpsterfire after reading the script and I literally love her for it.
I'm not surprised when youtube/twitter/reddit claim the show is better. Those places are rife with ignorance and disdain for anything that isn't sanitized.
But Cinemaphile? Et tu, my son?
We have not fallen my brother, there are dozens of us! DOZENS