>The charges officer?
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Tax evasion.
Filming child porn.
Kidnapping and Murder are both illegal. Forcing people into a situation you know will kill them is Murder.
>forcing
they had an option to leave. Endangering at most
Premeditation counts for a lot in the US justice system, especially when its over the course of several months
You know what else counts for a lot n the US justice system?
JigC content.
chomo
Strapping someone to a bomb and setting it up to explode is not ok because you add someone random iq test to the bomb
>Forcing people into a situation you know will kill them is Murder.
Their own actions in life led to them being put into that so had put in a situation
He masterminded the capture, drugging, in many cases maiming by surgical means, poisoning and being put in traps design to kill or seriously maim dozens of people, against their will. In several of the traps, two or more people are placed in a situation where one of them has to die for the other to survive.
Let's not forget he booby-trapped two of his lairs that he was in which killed Detective Sing and several SWAT team members, and attempted murder of Detective Tapp by slashing his throat. And his kidnapping of Cecil was 100% on his own, no apprentices. He put him in a trap that would kill or disfigure his face and when the trap collapsed, he allowed him to die in the barbed wire that he fell into. Finally, his mutilating of dead bodies by removing a piece of skin in the shape of a jigsaw puzzle piece.
Oh, please. Those people were begging to be put into those traps. Jigsaw was just acquiescing to their insane demands. It's not his fault that his cronies followed his orders. Hell, they were all trespassing on Jigsaw's property when you think about it. As far as Cecil goes, well, sometimes you have to do a little product testing and what's the life of one man compared to the millions who will eventually be put into a Jigsaw trap, completely of their own volition?
>Those people were begging to be put into those traps.
Literally nobody asked to be put into those traps.
>It's not his fault that his cronies followed his orders.
It literally is. He gives the orders, he's responsible for their actions.
>Hell, they were all trespassing on Jigsaw's property when you think about it.
Setting a trap on your property to kill intruders is illegal.
>As far as Cecil goes, well, what's the life of one man
It's still kidnapping and murder.
>Literally nobody asked to be put into those traps.
Their lifestyles begged for Saw to put them in those traps.
>It literally is. He gives the orders, he's responsible for their actions.
The people who did those things are responsible and Jigsaw is only responsible for seeing what had to happen, then recording into onto a tape.
>Setting a trap on your property to kill intruders is illegal.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA, THE LAND OF THE FREE? IF I CAN'T SET UP A DEATH TRAP ON MY PROPERTY THEN WHAT KIND OF ZOG INFESTED SHITHOLE ARE WE LIVING IN? THE SUPREME COURT WILL SIDE WITH JIGSAW IN THE END!
>It's still kidnapping and murder.
Is it really, though? If Jigsaw will just form a corporation and list his accomplices as employees, then nobody can be held liable for anything that happened.
By that logic, all parents are murderers because they give birth to children who will eventually die. No serious judge would allow that argument to be presented before a jury.
Lot of funny judges around, it seems.
Technically, he didn't commit any murders at all. The police IRL would have no idea what to do with this guy. If I was Saw, I'd have every one of those damned trespassers prosecuted for getting caught in my ingenious traps, which are for demonstrative purposes only.
We already saw something like this in Saw X. There's only 2 or 3 witnesses able to provide testimony about the carnage by the end of the movie, and one of them was himself a victim of kidnapping and not by Jigsaw or Amanda at all. And at least one of them was associated to some level with some local paramilitary or criminal group. By the time Kramer and Amanda were back in the US, the local authorities in Mexico probably gave up on the case since we know Kramer and Amanda continued to meet their own fates in the series.
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Jigsaw never intended for anyone to be put in those traps. They were purely for demonstrative purposes and engineering experiments. If those people hadn't been trespassing, they wouldn't have found themselves trapped, now would they?
>Jigsaw never intended for anyone to be put in those traps
Doesn't even matter. He put them up so he is accountable for everything that happened.
Thanks for the discussion. You lost and Saw gets to jail.
GG
That's like saying if you break into a military testing location and step on a landmine being tested, that it's the military's fault for even having the landmine in the first place. Checkmate, moron.
I am sorry, but I can't hear your allegories over the clicking of the handcuffs.
The handcuffs are being put on you, for trying to destroy an innocent man.
I am sorry but are you talking about Saw?
He is already convinced and behind jails.
The fact that he asked for charges and did not run away showed that he went to jail on his own volition.
Sorry, for your wasted mock exams.
I think there are actually some morons out there who buy this meme
The director of the movie already believes it.
I believe it. And I’m a genius, so… whose the moron now.
>And I’m a genius
Then say something smart as prove.
Black person
200IQ confirmed.
It's not a meme
t. Former ICJ justice
being way too generous with your time and resources to help society.
Felony murder, conspiracy, spring gun trap homicide
Politicians nowadays associate themselves with public domestic murderers with none of Jigsaw's charisma or intelligence.
Name a single one
Without getting into people publicly supporting the vigilante style choking killing of Jordan Neely in NYC, Kyle Rittenhouse met with House representatives, including "public masturbator in a show with kids around" Karen Lauren Boebert. Even if Rittenhouse was acquitted. I don't really care about discussing what would happen if Kramer went to trial, but unhinged women propose to convicted killers while they're in prison and for a fictional character Kramer comes across as downright heroic for a horror villain in Saw X, dismantling a global scam that unless himself didn't actually have an option for their victims to live.
>Kyle Rittenhouse
You uh... you do know that self-defense isn't murder, and is both legally and morally justified, right?
Nobody broke into his house and he still blubbered about the whole thing, I have no sympathy sorry. Kramer was deceived in the middle of a cancer support group meeting, robbed like many others, and made to go meet his victimizers under false pretenses. And if you want to get into self-defense stuff, well, Saw X also goes there at one point.
But again, it's a movie.
>self-defense isn't murder, and is both legally and morally justified
Only in restricted boundaries.
All these Dubs for JigC
Stop trying to make JigC happen, it's never going to happen.
If you don't like JigC content you're welcome to leave the thread.
Loving these dubs in this JigC thread.
Well, technically, he didn't kill anyone. He just locked people in an inescapable death trap room where the only way to escape was to follow some weird arbitrary rules he deemed ironic-despite seemingly not knowing the definition of irony-or else.
At every top law school, including Harvard Law among others of its caliber, there is a whiteboard with only one word scribbled on it: Jigsaw
To this day, none of the top minds in law have been able to show how Jigsaw could be convicted in a fair court of law. It is the P vs NP problem, even the Riemann Hypothesis of law. This will likely never be figured out.
>It's their choices, I didn't do anything!!
Amanda Old saved her from being raped and this b***h committed suicide infront of her. what a c**t
>Gordon fails to kill Adam in time, but gets to live and become an apprentice because he showed a will to survive by cutting off his leg.
>This woman gets killed despite cutting off her leg with little hesitation because...
>JigC has the audacity to say 'it can never be personal.'
>Sawtards will literally argue this isn't torture porn
Human endangerment, Holding people against their will and Manslaughter
You will be seeing twenty to life for this Jigsaw, I can promise you on that!
He assaulted Tapp with a knife in the first movie, and cut his neck.
>new shitty sawslop flick comes out
>these dogshit threads posted 24/7
This is the best Saw movie in years after they realized they had to bring Kramer back while Tobin Bell was still with us to keep the franchise alive. He's the RDJ Iron Man of horror villains, down to having some condition, tinkering with machines and being objectively a bad person.
My dad's a detective. He said he would plant an ounce of heroin and a weapon with ballistics tied to a homicide on Jigsaw to arrest him. Otherwise, there wouldn't be enough evidence and he'd go free.
Murder of an entire franchise
Kramer literally saved an innocent child from being waterboarded to death by a person who without getting any injuries at that point was responsible for the decision to kidnap the child and kill him when simply running away was an option. Kramer might still have gotten a sentence for that, but if saying the devil made me stab a dude to death was good enough for only 5 years IRL, I'm sure a completely fictional character could get some kind of break too. The Japanese cannibal guy became a celebrity after all.
false imprisonment
The imprisonment is real.